#outlander #bloodofmyblood Brian heads to Beltane as Julia is forced to stay behind due to her advanced condition. Ellen and Jocasta's rivalry is on full display as they arrive at the festival. Lord Lovat's seer has an interesting reading for Julia's baby. The MacKenzie sisters seek out distractions to escape their unhappy realities. Murtaugh shoots his shot, but misses in a big way. Henry and Ned bond over lost loves. The Beltane Festival brings joy to some, and heartbreak to others.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Michelle and Dina and we are discussing episode 5 of
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Outlander Blood of My Blood. We are at the halfway point of
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Season 1 and I'm going to go ahead and let Michelle get
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started because I know she got things to say.
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About this episode, how you got you, Michelle?
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OK, so wait a second. Now I got to go back into the
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stuff that I said, OK, the MO. I don't even know where to
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begin. Let's just go ahead and get
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Mercer out of the way because. That's it.
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I had the screen and I turn the TV off and I say I can't do
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this. I'm not gonna be able to
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continue watching this show. That man was hurt.
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He was hurt. And all the time.
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Your friend Brian could have told you.
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He could have told you when he said, oh, why you up so early?
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You won't leave without me. And he's sitting here pouring
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his heart out about this girl, Brian.
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You could have said something then to have him come and see
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it, to see it. My heart was broken.
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That was real. And then you get your butt beat
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an hour later. That was harsh too, like there
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was literally no reason for that.
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Like it wasn't arch bug is but. We know.
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I mean we've already established arch bug is just an asshole.
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He's just an asshole. Just be an asshole.
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He is have to do that but I mean did he go beat up?
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Did he go beat up the other guys who stood up for for the making?
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No, he just he did because Merta was the 1st.
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Yeah, but Merta must have later learned some fighting skills,
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'cause I'm like, dude, you are so much better older.
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You you think? I think it's also 'cause he was
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drunk. And and he.
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Was drunk too. He was, but he has has not been
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hardened yet. Yeah, that's true.
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You can see it coming. That's true.
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You can see it like after that probably, you know, this might
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be where the term for Merta is. You know, I'm not saying that's
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where he just became hard, but he probably was like, OK, you
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know what, I'm too. I'm too soft.
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This will make you hard because your best friend who you
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literally every time y'all are together, Ellen, Ellen, Ellen,
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Ellen, Ellen, Ellen, Ellen, Ellen, Ellen, Ellen and he over
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there like, OK, you can find you another woman.
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Oh, OK, Ella, Ella, Ella. And then I see y'all kissing.
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Oh man. Yeah, I, I will say this the the
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way that is, the way that it's gone down.
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And then thinking about the future at the the regular
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Outlander show, again, going back to the whole thing, every
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time we hear Martha talk about Jamie's parents, he mainly only
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talks about Ella. He almost never mentions Brian.
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That's a good. Thing I feel like that probably
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broke the friendship but because he yeah but but because he loved
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Ellen so much he you know when they named him godfather maybe
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that was kind of the the olive branch for Brian towards mertha
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I it's. Giving a little snappy but not
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creepy snake, but like. And and the same party is though
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and we see it that way and it only it side note come out of
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the show. It could be because she didn't
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have them as friends initially. And then in writing the show,
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you think maybe they decide to make them friends.
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It's it's possible. Again, I know that she is
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actually she is writing a Brian and Ellen book.
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Yeah. But you you see what I'm saying?
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Like it when before it was like, oh, he was a family friend, but
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she never like really put him with anyone except for Ellen.
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And now when you can really flush out the story, it would be
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good a story if he was friends. And maybe that's why I'm just
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hoping that is the reason why I don't see how they can recover.
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I I can't they could have recovered if he said something.
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Yeah, earlier on, like I met someone too.
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And I'm thinking we are talking about the same woman name,
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person. Yeah, yeah, play it off.
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I'm really thinking about same woman, especially since does my
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have red hair? Does yours have like play it
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off? Yeah.
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Yeah. But every time you.
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Do things. You mentioned Ellen by name at
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first. No, he could have played it off.
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Oh, I didn't realize this was who you had.
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And then at that point, Martha really can't get mad because
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you've never even spoken a word to this woman.
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Which, yeah, it it's just, I hate that's the amount this way.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That's the other part that kind of sucks, yes.
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It's like you honestly don't even know her.
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So it's not like he literally stole your woman, right?
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Like I get, I get the point of him being hurt 'cause Brian,
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what Brian did was crappy, but I know Brian was.
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Brian was afraid, you know, he knew it was gonna hurt him and
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he was afraid. So I get that.
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But like, it's not like he took this woman from that woman.
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Ain't no he was alive, right and and had no care in her heart for
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him at all. So he was living on a fantasy
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and a dream. And heard Brian didn't plan
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this. Yeah, they fell in love by
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accident. You know, they crossed paths by
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accident. And again, I think the reason
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why Ellen probably was drawn to Brian was because Brian was the
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one person who wasn't trying to hit on her.
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Yeah. He was the one person who was
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just trying to be, you know, off hidden, not be bothered.
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And she maybe found a kindred spirit in that.
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Yeah. But I mean, and, and even though
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we, we can sit here and justify all of this stuff, we and we
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understand both sides. But either way it goes, it still
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sucks that this is the way Mercer had to find out.
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I mean, I was like. Right, because I feel like this
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if Brian has said something to Martha and was like, hey, so
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about that Ellen girl that you were talking about.
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So I met a girl at the at Leoch and we we kind of we talked a
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little bit. We fell in love and I didn't
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realize it was your Ellen until now.
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I'm so sorry, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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He could have done that, and then maybe Martha could have
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understood that, and Martha could have turned his attentions
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elsewhere, like maybe Jacosta, you know, instead of.
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Just. But she was married too, so.
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When she was married. Still married too.
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We'll, we'll, we'll get to that 'cause I got some thoughts about
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that whole thing too. But it's like I, I feel like
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Brian, he could have handled it better.
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But again, we are also talking about some, I don't want to say
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immature, but it's like they are not as I don't know what the
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word I want to use is. I don't think, yeah, I just
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don't think Brian knew how to fix that situation.
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Because again, everything that we know about Brian, he's always
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been stand up. He's always been honest.
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He's always been, like, loyal. Of course, now we're seeing this
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in a different light. But when you are that type of
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person and you know that the one thing, the one thing that you
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didn't count on, the one thing that has happened is the thing
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that's going to hurt that person.
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Like, how do you figure out how to do that?
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I just don't think he knew how to handle that because it was so
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unexpected, you know? Yeah.
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Poor Mercy. He's hurt.
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I want to give him credit, but I still don't give him credit.
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He's still going to say something to his for you.
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No. That's true.
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He's still trying. I'm trying because you you, you
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you real good and y'all finding lovely hiding places and places
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to, you know, do what y'all need to do so you can you can figure
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out how to tell your friend. I'm just saying.
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Ruined. I'm just saying, you know, we'll
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talk about the ruin me later. OK.
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I want to finish out with Mercer because I mean, it's and it's
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just, it gets it goes from bad to worse for him because like
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you said, he comes out of his tent, he's drunk.
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He bumps into Arch Bug, and then Arch is the one who sits here.
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He was like, oh, you don't want to challenge my, my master at
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the for making. Oh, you got to eye on his woman,
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blah, blah, blah. And and he beats Martha up and
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it's like, you can clearly see this man is drunk.
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Yeah. OK.
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Now, granted, Martha shot off at the mouth, which we do know
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Martha is good for doing sometimes.
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And he was like, oh, yeah, you know, I'm not the only one who
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had an eye for her. And he don't deserve her anyway,
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which all of these things are true, but he could have just
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left Martha alone. He can let Martha just, you
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know, sit in his cups and just sit in his feelings and be done
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with it. But no, you have to add insult
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to injury by beating them up. And I was looking at this.
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I was like, OK, so I mean it's not unexpected because it's arch
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bug, but still it's just kind of like Martha's had enough.
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He's had nothing there. And then later on you get you
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get into this whole thing with Jacosta and it seems like you
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bout to take your mind off stuff and then you call her Ellen's
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name which I felt bad but only moment.
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I did too. I, I, I'm not, I don't really
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care for Jacosta right now. I just, I don't.
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I'm OK with her. I I was OK with her because of
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the conversation in the buggy. I was OK because now you know
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where she's coming from. You do you have to think about
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it in her eyes. First of all, you got to, we
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have to go back. We got to go back.
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First of all, how your daddy is right.
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Your sister's the favorite right there.
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That's the issue. Second of all, you knew your
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sister was involved with you getting a suitor.
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You don't know how she was involved 'cause she never talked
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to you about it to currently now and she's saying, well, I was
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trying to help you get away from other people.
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Yeah, I didn't know that at the time.
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For me, I'm looking like you, you running things and I get
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this old ass man Cameron. But everybody is getting old
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ass. Man, back then, right?
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But still, your sister was involved.
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Your sister doesn't have to get married.
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Right. And and she didn't have to get
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married. Yeah.
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Yeah. So you don't know until she
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telling you now. Like, no, there was other people
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who was just way worse than that.
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I was trying to help. Well, at the time she didn't
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know that. She just thinking the girl of
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privilege. Yeah, I'm not with Cameron, who
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I'm just supposed to look pretty and all that, but I feel it's
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Acosta 'cause she's like, what happens?
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We gonna keep it here, so she going to go look.
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But that's the. Thing that bothers me about her
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is 'cause she acts like she's so pure, but as soon as she got her
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sister was just like, look, go get yours.
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I ain't gonna say nothing. Well, I go get mine if you can
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make a deal. She was like, OK, fine, let's
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go. With Mertel since episode.
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One. Yeah, yeah.
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So like. I don't know.
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She needed a reason. Yeah, yeah, right.
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I don't. Well, she, she, she needed a way
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to do it without getting in trouble.
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Right, that that too. And I don't have a problem with
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her doing that because yes, Jacosta is married.
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But again, let's talk about this.
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These are arranged marriages. These are not love matches.
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She is married to somebody who's probably old.
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Enough to be Oh no, I'm all for, I'm all for what she was trying
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to do. I'm I'm all for.
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I don't have a. Problem I'm gonna deal.
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With her, yeah. However, I wasn't mad at her
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when she was like OK I keep your secret.
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Can't get Mama's necklace though, no?
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No, no, no, no, but even before that, like just her pettiness
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and her just, I don't know, it's like you want to sit here and
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and be all nasty and snarky to your sister, which yes, there
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are some some reasons and I get it.
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But then you sit here and you want to be, you want to be nasty
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to her and say things to her and then want to get mad at her when
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she comes back at you like, you know, you want to talk about, Oh
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yeah, you going to have some bears and stuff.
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She's like, Oh yeah, I see you ain't had none yet.
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And you want to get mad at her. But you.
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See. Well, see, that was low.
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That was slow though. Don't be, don't be talking about
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my infertility. Don't be talking about my
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infertility. That ain't that.
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See, you had to go that low. See you still free.
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You just now had to marry someone.
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And I'm just talking about you being an old maid because you
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are a old maid. She had to bring out and I'm an
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old maid too, with no kids. But you had to.
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You had to say that now. But that's the thing about
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Jakasa, I don't like she can't handle what she dish out like.
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Yeah, that's true. Treating your sister like
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complete trash because to be fair, other than her maybe
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marrying her off, which is something that even Ellen didn't
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know was a problem. She has been so bitchy to her
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and just for no just pop cause the younger sister, the other
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sister ain't bitching towards her right?
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So like Jacosta has her own feelings and she ain't clearly
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ain't never talked to her about it.
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And then you come snapping out the mouth.
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Are you a old man? You get your dad trying to tear
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her down and then she's like, oh, but you can't have no baby.
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So who who got the real problem? You know, like, yeah, but.
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Brilliant. The whole thing about when I and
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then when she's there talking to Malcolm and she was like, oh,
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yes, I'm I'm pleased to be reunited.
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Oh, no, she, she's being modest. She's been talking about you,
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the hallway bitch. Well, that helps though, for her
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to do that. But friends, listen, we know
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Ellen has won, OK? She got the love of her life.
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She got the all the men in the town chasing her.
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And Takasa got what? What does she have?
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Old man Cameron can't even get a mama's necklace, OK?
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That's all she has is her, is her bitterness and her
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snarkiness. That's all she got.
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Let her have it. Let her have it.
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And then that man called her name.
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He called another woman's. Name that's her fault, because
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she know that she knew that man was in love with her.
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Sister, that's her fault, but I'm just all the men are so
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that. So where you go from here?
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She should have left. She should have lived well
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enough. Alone, she was just trying to
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find some tenderness. She wanted to be wanted to.
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And I and I get that. But you know what?
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I do get that. I, I get it.
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But you knew that man was in love with your sister.
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Yeah, but for but for the emotional trophy, Ellen again
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wins. She gonna win.
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Jacosta has nothing. But here's the thing.
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Maybe Jacosta's lie? And she becomes blind.
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I mean, we got to get, we got to kill a little bit for her and
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she becomes blind. That's yeah, just a little bit,
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just just. Just because because the, and
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the whole thing with Jacosta is, and this is even in the future,
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Jacosta is one of those people. She's all about the, the, she's
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about the reputation. She's about the, the, you know,
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the riches and all. She's about the status that.
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I mean, you can tell that from the first conversation or the
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first thing that she says to, to Ellen in the the cart, she was
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like, Oh yeah, look at all this being done for you that you
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think you sit here thinking about the gowns and stuff and
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Ellen's like, ain't none of that on my mind.
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And I think that's one of the things that I really, I guess I
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don't like about Jacosta because all of the things that she
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values, she's mad because all of that stuff is coming towards her
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sister and her sister don't care about it.
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Like she right there about none of that stuff.
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And that's why I really do feel, I feel sorry for her, because
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that is if, if I've got his name already, Red John.
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What's his name? Big Red, Red Jacob, Red Jacob,
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Red Jacob. If Red Jacob really did his job
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as a father, you wouldn't have this issue.
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Because ultimately, yeah, You had two sons.
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You treat them like trash. Then you have these daughters.
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You treat one. I'm sorry.
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You treat one above all other kids.
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That does affect the other kid growing up.
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No, it's not right for her to feel that way, but that's all
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she has. But Janet doesn't have that
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problem. She was brought up like that.
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Who? Ellen Who?
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But Janet didn't have as long of the.
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Janet's experience is going to be different.
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Is she younger? Every child's experience.
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All of them are younger, right? Well, this Jacosta is the young.
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Jacosta is the. Baby, is she the baby baby or
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the other one's the baby? Baby No, Jacosta is the baby.
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OK, so everyone's experience within the family unit is
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different. Did Jacosta when did Mama die?
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Was Mama died died because of Jacosta?
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Like what we got to know we need to cost the story.
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I don't think we need the story. Yeah, but she.
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Could have been raised that you know what, you're beautiful,
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'cause she's beautiful, you're beautiful and that's what you're
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going to be and you're going to be someone's trophy and you need
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to surround yourself with riches.
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Ellen wasn't taught that. Ellen was taught strategy war
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term like she was taught to rule.
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But yeah, no hurt. I feel like Jacosta is
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beautiful. She just doesn't know that she's
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beautiful because everybody's so obsessed with what's going on
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with with Ellen. And part of the reason why,
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other than her just being pretty, obviously, but part of
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the reason I feel like people really are drawn to Ellen is
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because she had that relationship with Red Jacob.
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So she's so independent and she's so strong minded and she's
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like you said before, nobody can get to her.
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So that's why they want her. Whereas Jacosta, she's
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beautiful. She, she, her husband gonna ask
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at some point, like go marry somebody else, like whatever.
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But like, I feel like she just heard not being wanted, not
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because she's not beautiful, but just not having that saying
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whatever, fire, whatever, 'cause she's a different personality.
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I, I feel like that's hard for her because, you know, as I
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don't know, I mean, it's hard to explain what I'm trying to get
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to, but like there's something about how she envies her that's
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not just about her beauty. It's, it's just, it's like the
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whole package of everything. Ellen stands.
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For. She hates because she doesn't
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have how that blinder 'cause she's pretty too, so she could
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have had any. Probably had her pick too.
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But she was nobody was chance. Right.
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Yeah, but nobody was checking for her like that because Red
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Jacob put auto focus on Ellen, you know, And so I don't know,
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it's hard to explain what I'm trying to get you, but.
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No, you're right. And I guess I have to, I, I kind
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of have to separate because it's like the older Jacosta too.
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Like she has her moments, but for the most part, I don't
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really care for her either just because of the way that she is,
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the way that she treats people who are under her or that she
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looks at as under her. Like she has had this, she has a
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bit of a superiority complex even now as a as a a younger
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person. You know, I mean, I I don't
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know, there's something about the way that she the way that
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she interacts not just with Ellen but with other people too,
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that we've seen that she kind of has this air about herself that
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she is better. She is elitist.
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Yeah. Yeah, that.
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And I guess that it, that is it because I just, I don't like
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that kind of attitude just in general everyday life, you know
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what I'm saying? No, but you know, it's like
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every time that we've seen her interactions with Ellen, even
00:20:46
even with with this episode, this is the first episode where
00:20:49
Ellen gave back what she was getting from Jacosta, right?
00:20:54
That we've seen before. Jacosta has run off at the mile,
00:20:57
said something smart. Ellen has never taken the bait.
00:21:01
You know what I'm saying? I think that's probably the
00:21:03
thing that really bothers me about Jacosta because it's like,
00:21:05
you know what, your sister could put you in your place right now.
00:21:09
She really right? And you know what?
00:21:11
And I realized why she took the bait this time.
00:21:14
Because you are now in the situation your sister was in.
00:21:18
But I like that about Ellen because she at least
00:21:21
acknowledged like, hey, now that I'm in that situation, like
00:21:25
doesn't make you happy because I'm just saying, like, you
00:21:27
didn't like being here, so why are you taunting me?
00:21:30
And that's the thing I love about Ellen is she's actually
00:21:32
just really just smart. Like she.
00:21:35
Right. So at the other time, she never
00:21:36
paid anything to her sister at all.
00:21:39
He mean nothing to her sister. I mean, honestly, yeah.
00:21:42
Jacosta could say all she wanted to be.
00:21:44
I get to do what I want. I mean, it was great.
00:21:46
But now I'm in a situation that's like my sisters.
00:21:49
I'm like oh hell this say great either.
00:21:51
OK so stop talking to me. Your jokes ain't funny.
00:21:57
I guess I get it. I get it.
00:21:58
I just I don't know. I didn't say she was the
00:22:01
greatest. I said now I understand and I'm
00:22:03
feeling her and I felt bad for her.
00:22:07
Yeah, I do. Feel bad for her because I do,
00:22:10
because nobody wants to be in that situation.
00:22:12
And I guess also, I'm sitting here thinking like, at some
00:22:15
point, if you think about Jacosta's history, I think this
00:22:19
husband dies and then she marries another camera and then
00:22:23
that husband dies and then she ends up marrying the camera who
00:22:27
she had the children with that that stole the gold.
00:22:32
So first, first of all, you just need to come away from them damn
00:22:35
cameras. Cameras, right?
00:22:38
Girl, what you doing? 'Cause obviously, yeah, but I
00:22:43
guess. Too, You know, there was that
00:22:46
whole thing too back in the day where like if you if you didn't,
00:22:49
if you got married or whatever, your husband died like a lot of
00:22:53
times they wouldn't want to marry you because you weren't a
00:22:55
virgin anymore or you weren't like fresh anymore.
00:22:58
So maybe she could only get Cameron's other than obviously
00:23:01
Mercer clearly had a thing for her at some point, but like
00:23:05
maybe she could only get a camera camera to marry her or
00:23:07
that was the way for her to keep her camera money or whatever.
00:23:10
She OK because yeah, 'cause I don't.
00:23:15
Know what the circumstances were for the second husband she just
00:23:19
mentioned. She just mentioned having
00:23:22
married 3 cameramen. I don't think.
00:23:24
I don't think the main show ever went into like detail detail
00:23:27
except for that last one and it was only because she was telling
00:23:30
Murta about everything that she had lost.
00:23:34
OK, so yeah, when she ended up coming to America, so and then
00:23:39
but she also didn't have like she she never had kids with this
00:23:42
guy. This first kid, I think she had
00:23:45
kids, I think all her kids. She had three kids with the
00:23:49
third camera husband. She had the two older ones who
00:23:52
were married with kids. They were all killed during the
00:23:56
during colliding and then the younger 1 you know was killed on
00:24:01
the road by by her husband by accident when when they was
00:24:08
trying to get the remember they got stopped on the road.
00:24:12
Yeah, British. Soldiers found the gold and he
00:24:15
was trying to shoot one of the British soldiers that ended up
00:24:19
he he was the one that shot her. Oh yeah, I do.
00:24:21
Remember that now? Yeah, I forgot all about that
00:24:24
guy. Yeah.
00:24:26
She had a rough life. Yeah.
00:24:28
Yeah, and then she went blind. So, you know, maybe.
00:24:30
So that's what I'm saying. So we just go give her, you
00:24:33
know, maybe he could just. Let Jacosta have.
00:24:38
It yeah, let them have it for right now 'cause guess what,
00:24:41
even though Ellen is in the situation she was in, Ellen
00:24:44
still end up being in the love of her life.
00:24:46
So she end up dying. So but she loved, she got loved
00:24:52
and she was loved and had children, just loved them before
00:24:55
she died and Jacosta still chasing that so you know I'm
00:24:59
saying. So just saying she get paid
00:25:03
back. All right.
00:25:07
Oh, OK. So obviously it's the whole, you
00:25:15
know, they get to the Beltane or whatever, but like, yes, so
00:25:19
they're having that whole conversation in the carriage,
00:25:21
but I can't remember what was said because I just I got it on
00:25:25
and I'm trying to remember what was said because when they were
00:25:28
having a conversation was was Ned talking up top about
00:25:32
something? I can't remember.
00:25:33
No, he wasn't talking up top when they were going back and
00:25:36
forth he was like he was like OK y'all can y'all please stop
00:25:39
Y'all about his worst as your brothers.
00:25:42
OK, that's because he was listening.
00:25:43
To them bicker back and forth. So yeah, that that was funny
00:25:50
because he was like, my goodness, y'all would give Colin
00:25:54
and Duga a run for that. Which is funny.
00:25:58
Yeah, Oh, another person I felt so bad for was Malcolm Grant.
00:26:05
I was like, he don't deserve this.
00:26:09
Only reason why I don't feel anything from Malcolm Grant is
00:26:12
'cause his dad is an asshole and I feel like that's who he gonna
00:26:16
be. Well, he not there yet, I know,
00:26:20
but he made her some like he really is into this and don't
00:26:24
know this. She ain't nowhere near into
00:26:26
this. 'Cause she just smiling at
00:26:28
Ellen, Ellen is Ellen can lie her ass off, she can cause this
00:26:35
whole episode you would really think that she was into Malcolm.
00:26:39
Grant, you do. That's why I felt bad for him.
00:26:41
I was like, you could pretend like you not wanting to do this,
00:26:45
but you giving him the eyes and even though you really wanted to
00:26:49
give Brian the eyes with the dancing, you even gave it to
00:26:54
Malcolm. So Malcolm is all confused.
00:26:56
Yeah, I mean by the, you know, by the by the the end of Beltane
00:27:01
celebration or whatever, honey, you could not tell that, oh, it
00:27:07
'cause even Brian was looking like, wait, what?
00:27:12
I. Don't think that was what
00:27:13
Brian's look was. Brian was like, OK, I see what
00:27:16
you over there pretended, but I remember what you were doing a
00:27:18
couple of hours ago. That's what.
00:27:20
Right. That's so sad.
00:27:21
So she is. She is good.
00:27:23
She's good. She is.
00:27:26
So she. It is not right because that man
00:27:28
really, really loves her. Made a little heart when he was
00:27:33
a kid for her. This is a problem.
00:27:36
It's not going to turn out right.
00:27:38
Yeah. But you know, that's what
00:27:42
happens when you when you find your true love, you know, in an
00:27:46
instant and all of a sudden he's your whole world and you, you
00:27:49
know, you lose your virginity to him.
00:27:51
And yeah, yeah, you say ruin me. And then after that, then y'all
00:27:54
want to have a oh, let's get to know each other conversation.
00:28:02
This is that. I mean, that's one of the
00:28:07
reasons why I was talking while I was saying it in the earlier
00:28:11
episodes. I said it's so funny how they
00:28:13
look at one another and then all of a sudden it's like, Oh my
00:28:16
God, I love this person more than life.
00:28:18
Like you don't even know them. You don't know anything about
00:28:22
them but you are literally about to risk your whole clan for this
00:28:28
man the whole. Clan that's that star crossed
00:28:33
like it's it's. Yeah, like the touch, even, even
00:28:37
when they touch each other, it's just magical.
00:28:40
Yeah, and how do we know it wouldn't have been magical if
00:28:44
she had touched Mertha, I mean. She already she has, she has
00:28:50
trust me, she ain't feeling she felt that the the fireworks
00:28:53
across a bridge. So clearly if she did feel some
00:28:57
form, she would have felt some. I know, I just find it funny how
00:29:01
quickly they fall in love with each other in the 1700s.
00:29:04
Like, yeah. Well to be fair, if you look at
00:29:09
a lot of these men in the background, aside from Mercer
00:29:13
who was very cute. Do Google as fine as I'll get
00:29:16
out. Ain't too many fine people,
00:29:19
ain't too many good looking mofos.
00:29:20
I'm sorry, Brian. Got it.
00:29:23
And then also, she did talk about just, you know, some of
00:29:26
the qualities that she sees in him, that she doesn't see
00:29:29
another man. And like I said, I have a
00:29:31
feeling she was drawn to him because he was one of the people
00:29:34
who wasn't trying to talk to her.
00:29:35
Like, there's something about knowing people are attracted to
00:29:40
you, but when you are falling over yourself trying to get
00:29:43
someone's attention, and this person has clearly made it.
00:29:47
Like she has made it known to everybody that she wasn't
00:29:52
interested in looking for a man. She wasn't interested in the
00:29:55
husband. Like, all these people tripping
00:29:58
over what, tripping over themselves to talk to her like
00:30:01
the Skyler sisters. I mean, they are really making
00:30:03
themselves known. And she's like, hi, OK.
00:30:08
I, I, I don't want it. And I think just the fact that
00:30:13
he was not doing that, she was just kind of like, oh, OK.
00:30:18
And then she saw him and she was like, wait, because that's the
00:30:21
other thing. They were having a conversation
00:30:23
with each other, just a regular conversation, not even knowing
00:30:27
what each other looked like. They were having it, you know,
00:30:29
with this barrier. So it's like there wasn't any of
00:30:33
that superficiality in their meeting.
00:30:38
You know, there wasn't a oh, Ellen there.
00:30:40
There's Ellen McKenzie. She's beautiful.
00:30:41
I want to marry her. I could be the worst person in
00:30:45
the world. Like she was saying in the
00:30:47
carriage. She was like, yes, if I'm
00:30:49
supposed to have all these virtues, then maybe column needs
00:30:52
to tell Mack and Grant he's not getting what he what he needs to
00:30:55
get. You know what I'm saying?
00:30:57
But I just as ridiculous as that seems to me sometimes, I will
00:31:05
say sometimes it it, it just, I don't know, it does seem to fit
00:31:09
for them. Like when you see them on the
00:31:12
screen, you feel it. And I think Dina and I were
00:31:15
talking about this prior to us recording his mannerisms and the
00:31:21
way that he mimics Sam as Jamie. I don't know if he's doing it on
00:31:26
purpose or if it's just natural to the to the way he plays the
00:31:30
character. They did, I have to say it
00:31:34
again, they did a phenomenal job with that casting, casting him
00:31:37
as Bryant because you see a lot of the the similarities in those
00:31:43
characters. And then when when him and Ellen
00:31:47
are together and they're kind of declaring themselves for each
00:31:50
other and then the whole thing in the church happens.
00:31:52
I was just like, OK, I'm I'm watching the wedding scene
00:31:56
again. Took about as long.
00:31:59
I'm like y'all saw about the light is fading.
00:32:01
I think y'all, I think y'all need to get a hurry on with this
00:32:05
ruining process. I'm on it right now.
00:32:13
Ruin me. I was like, oh, hello, Ellen.
00:32:16
McKenzie Right. But you know, I was telling how
00:32:22
to call the other day because I was watching these or whatever
00:32:28
and like they took like 45 minutes for this scene.
00:32:32
I was like, please just take off the clothes and move on with it.
00:32:36
It took all this time to unbuckle every strain and.
00:32:40
Right, everything and still had the shoes on.
00:32:44
Why is it I was thinking that that you don't like?
00:32:46
I mean, they still got those boots on 'cause.
00:32:49
I'm sitting here like boots were.
00:32:50
Important they gonna get caught with this 'cause they take him.
00:32:54
It's hard. Yeah, I was thinking that too.
00:32:56
Like, do you know? Yeah.
00:32:58
Then I'm like, oh, on the grass. It still wasn't as long as Jamie
00:33:03
and Claire's reunion because that took forever.
00:33:10
That one took forever. But, but I mean, it was a
00:33:13
beautiful scene and, and going back to throwbacks, you know,
00:33:18
the whole thing where they're about to, they're about to be
00:33:20
together and Brian is like, wait, Nope.
00:33:23
I did say I didn't want to, you know, I didn't want to call into
00:33:26
question your virtual whatever. So he pulls the little cloth so
00:33:30
that they can hand fast. And I was like, oh, OK, it's
00:33:33
just like Rodger and Brianna, I was like, OK, I hope they don't
00:33:36
have the kind of drama that Rodger and Brianna had cause Oh
00:33:39
my God. But I mean, it was a beautiful
00:33:43
scene. But again, it, it was, I don't
00:33:47
want to say it was hard to enjoy that scene, but it, it did feel
00:33:51
kind of, it felt kind of wrong to root for them.
00:33:55
And, and this beautiful scene right after Martha got his heart
00:33:59
broken. It was right.
00:34:00
Yeah, 'cause it's on, it's like literally on.
00:34:02
Now they're, you know, they're tying their hands together.
00:34:05
But yeah, it is hard. And how she got back on grid
00:34:08
just running around helping everyone just so he can see you
00:34:11
spend time with her. I really don't care about.
00:34:13
Yeah, I'm just saying they got a lot of people, you know, they
00:34:16
hurting a lot of people's feelings.
00:34:19
And they are with this hand. Fasting is so beautiful.
00:34:21
Oh my God, Why is he so fine? But at first you know I'm so
00:34:26
stupid because I'm like first when he started ripping like
00:34:28
what we about to do here? Like I was thinking about that
00:34:32
was like somebody gonna notice your your kill is ripped later
00:34:37
on. Like it don't matter.
00:34:39
I guess not. He was like, look, I'm gonna do
00:34:42
this right. Oh, like once we.
00:34:47
Once we tied up, we use blindfold tied up.
00:34:50
Do what you want to do. I'm just casting Oh.
00:34:53
My gosh, look, I oh honey, I I, I was like mouth open this whole
00:35:00
thing 'cause I was just like. I was almost waiting for them to
00:35:03
get caught though. I was I just right I.
00:35:06
I was just like please hurry, please I want.
00:35:09
Y'all to be able to get it in? That's what she said, Yeah, but
00:35:16
no, I I was really, I actually was really kind of worried that
00:35:20
it was going to be Mercer to catch them.
00:35:21
And I was like, Oh no, I really don't want this to happen.
00:35:24
Well, he already caught him so. Yeah, but yeah, but catching
00:35:28
them. And the kids is.
00:35:30
Is different from catching them in the.
00:35:32
Act yeah, but right now to him it don't even matter, it's all
00:35:36
the same. I know that would.
00:35:37
Have been a fight, though. God, no, no, no, it wouldn't
00:35:40
have been the same. Not you.
00:35:41
Not you taking her virtue. It's one thing to be kissing in
00:35:45
the woods, but you in here taking her virtue.
00:35:47
Oh, I'm murder you, Sir. Right you were.
00:35:51
Unless he was wondering OK so this must not have been the
00:35:54
first time for y'all then that would have been an even bigger
00:35:57
fight and. That's so heartbreaking because
00:35:59
at some point he got to tell him how long this has been
00:36:03
happening, you know? Yeah.
00:36:05
I mean, well, it's obvious it's been happening since Leoch, so.
00:36:10
Right. It's like right now.
00:36:12
And. And you see how long it's been
00:36:13
because when we see Julia at the beginning of this episode, Julia
00:36:17
is damn near due. And remember when they went
00:36:21
through the stones right before, when they were in the car, she
00:36:25
was talking about they didn't have to tell Claire yet because
00:36:28
she was like, I won't be showing for a few months anyway.
00:36:31
So she was all the way at the beginning of her pregnancy when
00:36:35
this all started. So they've been in the 1700s now
00:36:38
at least seven months, I would say.
00:36:42
Yeah. Because she looks like she's
00:36:44
almost due to give birth. Yeah.
00:36:47
So that's, I mean, that's heartbreak on a whole other
00:36:51
thing. And we'll get to Julia and hear
00:36:52
me in a minute. But I mean, if you think about
00:36:56
that, they that this has been going on for months now that
00:37:03
Brian and Ellen have kind of been in love.
00:37:06
And I know that we only saw the one meeting with them and Julia,
00:37:12
but it's kind of like now when when I'm sitting here putting it
00:37:16
into that. Yeah, I I kind of agree with
00:37:20
Michelle. You've had plenty of time to say
00:37:22
something. It's been months.
00:37:26
Yeah. I, I mean, literally it that
00:37:28
just hit me. It's been months.
00:37:32
That's funny when he specifically knows that they're
00:37:36
there now because they know she's gonna be there.
00:37:38
And he's like, I gotta shoot my shot.
00:37:40
Brian. Brian he, he really should have
00:37:42
said. Something right?
00:37:43
And he been talking about her every time they're together.
00:37:45
I know that man's been saying. Ellen Ellen Ellen Ellen Ellen
00:37:48
Ellen. And then when he jumped up for
00:37:54
the for the maid that make queen dance thing and merch, I looked
00:38:00
over like he's I wanted to he feel at that point that he was
00:38:05
just trying to back him up. I think he did.
00:38:07
He probably not that yes, Yep. And that's sad in itself.
00:38:12
Yep. Because because once you know,
00:38:14
when you see now you realize that it was a whole different
00:38:18
thing. So it's kind of like, yeah,
00:38:20
there's there's heartbreak on several levels from murder, not
00:38:23
just because you've lost the girl and you've lost the girl to
00:38:26
your best friend, but this this person has been making it seem
00:38:31
like they have been supporting you or maybe not even making it
00:38:34
seem Martha has been filling in those blanks.
00:38:37
And Brian has not said otherwise.
00:38:41
So yeah, it's yeah, I do feel bad for Martha.
00:38:48
I really do like, and I understand Brian and Ellen.
00:38:51
We know they're the end game. We know that they have to be
00:38:54
together in order for Jamie to be here, in order for us to have
00:38:56
the Jamie and Claire store. So I'm not, I'm not mad in that
00:39:00
sense about the Brian and Ellen thing.
00:39:02
I understand, you know, you, you fell in love you, you kind of
00:39:06
gotten to the point where it's just like we want to be together
00:39:09
and we don't care who we hurt, but we know the people who are
00:39:13
getting hurt. And so that's what makes it a
00:39:16
little bit harder or it keeps us from being joyous because like
00:39:19
even with Claire and Jamie, I feel like we could actually see
00:39:25
the two of them falling in love. Like they actually built a
00:39:28
friendship first before the whole world, before Claire fell
00:39:33
in love with him, Jamie was gone like from the moment he laid
00:39:36
eyes on her. But we weren't all that attached
00:39:40
to Frank. So again, because we got to see
00:39:44
the build up of Jamie and Claire, I know, but I mean, we
00:39:48
got to see a little bit of her and Frank.
00:39:49
So it in the one sense, it was kind of like, Oh, I do feel bad
00:39:52
for Frank, but we didn't see the build up of of the relationship
00:39:57
with her and Frank. Frank was already there.
00:39:59
We actually got to expect. I felt bad for Frank.
00:40:03
With with with we got to see it from start from Jamie, with
00:40:08
Jamie and Claire, which is, you know, it makes it easier to to
00:40:13
be a part of this story. Brian and Ellen and let's be
00:40:17
honest, yes, we know that this is a love story.
00:40:20
Yes, we know that they are fated to be together, but we really
00:40:24
haven't seen much of them together.
00:40:25
We don't have that build up like we did with, let's put on the
00:40:30
flip side, seeing Julian Henry fall in love.
00:40:34
There was the build up because we got to kind of go along that
00:40:38
journey even though we knew, OK, they're already together, but
00:40:41
y'all gave it to us and it was more consistent.
00:40:44
Like we've seen them writing the letter, the letters to each
00:40:48
other. We saw their first meeting.
00:40:49
We've seen them fall in love. We saw them get married.
00:40:52
You know, we've actually been a witness to that relationship in
00:40:56
a sense. So we haven't really had a
00:40:58
chance to do that with Brian and Ellen.
00:41:01
So it's easier I think to be like, OK yeah y'all are cute but
00:41:04
y'all hurt my boy over here is to to kind of.
00:41:09
Because think about it, they haven't.
00:41:11
They haven't been able to write. They can't even write each
00:41:13
other. They haven't had any
00:41:15
communication. They've been living off pure
00:41:17
fumes for how many months it's been since the last?
00:41:21
Time they. Saw because even with Julia and
00:41:24
Henry, they're narrating the show, they're like the narrators
00:41:29
and and so you can hear what they're at least thinking, you
00:41:32
know, and so with this we're just kind of getting winner
00:41:35
together, that's it. And they've only been together
00:41:38
at this point. What this is what #4 four times
00:41:41
that they've been together in in each other's presence.
00:41:44
So. Yeah, it it, I guess it would be
00:41:46
differently stable. The second time was the bridge.
00:41:49
The third time was when he went to LEOC and then yeah, yeah,
00:41:52
yeah. So it's like if they had, you
00:41:54
know, let's say that they were able to, like, exchange secret
00:41:57
notes and begin hear their romance and, you know, maybe,
00:42:02
yes, it's true. Maybe we'd be more like, yeah.
00:42:07
But it is I yeah, I get that. Yeah.
00:42:09
And I know part of that is because, again, we technically,
00:42:13
we kind of know the story of Brian and Ellen.
00:42:15
They're filling in the blanks right now, but we already know
00:42:18
that they end up together, right?
00:42:20
Yeah. So, you know, but again, it's
00:42:24
it's kind of, I don't, I don't want to say it's hard to follow
00:42:31
this story. It is.
00:42:33
I mean, I mean, it's easy to follow this story.
00:42:35
But again, because of who is involved and who's getting hurt,
00:42:41
I can't be all, yes, I'm for Brian and Ellen right now
00:42:45
because my heart really does hurt from her to life.
00:42:47
I feel Michelle on this on so many levels.
00:42:49
Like when I saw this episode, I was like, oh, Michelle is about
00:42:53
to hate Brian. I was.
00:42:55
I already knew. I was like, you know, I don't
00:42:58
want to hate him. But yeah, right now you are not
00:43:01
the coolest. You know, you ain't the coolest
00:43:04
friend, Brian. You could have.
00:43:06
You could have done a little bit better.
00:43:08
Yeah. Just a little bit, Yeah.
00:43:12
It was so cute though. He's so adorable.
00:43:13
His little innocent face. They could not have picked a
00:43:15
better little innocent face. Murta, like he just looks so
00:43:19
innocent, like he just doesn't know how anything about how the
00:43:22
world works. I just I feel so sorry for.
00:43:24
Him. Right.
00:43:25
Stupid bug just comes and beats his poor baby just up.
00:43:29
I mean like savage. Yeah, he did.
00:43:34
Like all that wasn't necessary, you could just punch him once
00:43:36
and been done with it. It's savage, but you know, I I
00:43:41
guess at the same time, you do have to show us the type of
00:43:44
person that arch bug is because, like, this is the person who was
00:43:48
coming after Ian. This is the person who stopped
00:43:51
Ian Country Rachel. Right?
00:43:54
Like, so, you know, I guess you got to show it to us.
00:43:59
Like, he don't care that Merta was just a little drunk.
00:44:02
Whatever. He still had to be vicious with
00:44:05
him. So it's like, OK, yeah, I still
00:44:06
don't like you. I just at all.
00:44:09
Yeah. But did we ever, do we ever find
00:44:15
out in the show, in the main show, how Arch Bug came to be
00:44:20
and Jamie's employee? I think he was one of the people
00:44:24
from Clinton who was in jail that he offered like he did with
00:44:27
the I can't think of Mel, Mel Mel was dead like I think he
00:44:32
was. One of those people Ars Mirror
00:44:34
man, OK. Yeah, the ARS Mirror.
00:44:36
Yeah, I think he was one of the Ars.
00:44:37
Mirror OK because I just sat here and thought about and I
00:44:41
think I asked this question before we started recording I
00:44:43
was like did Arch Bug and Mercer ever crossed paths in the main
00:44:48
show? I don't think they did when
00:44:50
Mercer came to visit Fraser's Ridge cause.
00:44:55
Yeah, I don't think so. OK.
00:44:57
I don't recall if he did. OK, but yeah, OK, so that
00:45:01
answers 'cause I couldn't remember if if they mentioned it
00:45:04
in the books. That was like so many books ago
00:45:07
and I don't remember, I have to go back and reread.
00:45:09
But OK, 'cause I was going to say that would have added like a
00:45:12
an extra layer if they had interacted in the main show.
00:45:16
But you're right, I don't think they did because like you said,
00:45:20
Mercer was in hiding for most of that.
00:45:25
Right. Yeah, OK, Alright, we gonna move
00:45:30
away from Beltane for a minute. Let's let's go over to Castle
00:45:35
Leathers because, OK, I'm really trying to have I'm really trying
00:45:43
to have some patience with Miss Porter.
00:45:46
I really am. But you messing some stuff up,
00:45:49
girl, you you messing some stuff up.
00:45:53
But I will say this too, at the beginning, when Julia and Bryant
00:45:56
are trying to leave the castle, I need y'all to learn how to
00:46:01
tiptoe on stone floors. I know I mean.
00:46:05
Your. Footsteps.
00:46:07
They made so much noise. I mean, it's ridiculous.
00:46:15
It is, but you know, here's another thing that is kind of on
00:46:24
the you had months to to save this information.
00:46:28
Again, this has not been months because when they went to leoc,
00:46:32
Julia still was not showing, right.
00:46:35
So now she is full belly, full big, you know.
00:46:41
And then this is where Miss Porter spills the beans to Brian
00:46:46
about Julia carrying Lord Lovett's child.
00:46:51
And you know, Brian, of course, is outrage, which I think is
00:46:54
very ironic. Oh, you should have told me
00:46:59
famous last words. Right.
00:47:02
And you know, that made me mad because I'm thinking I know.
00:47:09
Really. But I think she was really
00:47:11
trying to communicate with him, like, I'm sorry you had to find
00:47:14
out in this way. Like, please play along, please
00:47:16
play along. But he wasn't getting it.
00:47:19
I think she was really trying to signify to him like this really
00:47:22
ain't your daddy's baby, but I can't say this in front of your
00:47:24
Mama. But he wasn't getting it.
00:47:26
But yeah, I when he said that line, I just bust out laughing.
00:47:30
I was like, really, really. Like OK.
00:47:36
But then I start getting, I start getting scared for Julie
00:47:39
because I'm like OK to see her coming.
00:47:41
Please don't say nothing crazy. OK, so let's talk about the
00:47:45
Sears. Don't say anything crazy.
00:47:48
So Maisie is the same seer that we see in the original show as
00:47:55
the older version. OK, It's the same seer.
00:47:59
So when she's sitting there doing her reading, because
00:48:03
again, what happens is Julia is getting ready to leave with
00:48:08
Brian to go to Beltane to try to help him, you know, connect with
00:48:11
Ellen. Misses, portifies them.
00:48:13
And she was like, oh, no, she can't leave because the seer is
00:48:15
coming to do a reading for the bear.
00:48:18
Lord Lovett does this with all his children.
00:48:20
She was like, oh, I guess it's time for you to know she's
00:48:22
carrying your siblings. So Brian leaves her there, takes
00:48:27
off, he goes to Beltane. Julia's there stuck.
00:48:30
So Mazri comes and does the reading and it's so interesting
00:48:34
because I feel like Mazri, some of the stuff that she's saying,
00:48:39
she really is saying some stuff. But did you notice that when,
00:48:44
when Lord Lovett asked her about the bear and she put her hand on
00:48:48
Julia's stomach, did you notice she pulled back and she looked
00:48:52
at Julia and then she put her hand there like she felt like,
00:48:55
oh, this is not his child. Yes, but he immediately knew,
00:49:00
like she. Yeah.
00:49:03
She she's on her, she's on her game.
00:49:05
She knows what the truth going to be, but she also knows she
00:49:09
better say something so she don't get guilty, OK?
00:49:12
So. About that, but I think she but
00:49:15
I think she telling the truth though.
00:49:16
I just don't. Think he belongs to the truth
00:49:19
about the baby. I don't have to feel like she's
00:49:21
telling him what he want to hear.
00:49:23
So here's the. Thing She didn't tell him
00:49:25
anything she told him she said with the veil between the
00:49:30
world's the thinnest I can you know what I'm about to say.
00:49:34
And then he was like, you're about to tell me that the
00:49:37
prophecy that they it is true that you know the the the future
00:49:42
Scottish king will come from the phrase of bloodline.
00:49:45
She never confirmed or denied what he said.
00:49:49
That is true because she said that other stuff.
00:49:52
But the other stuff was good, though.
00:49:54
The other stuff was good. Yeah, the.
00:49:56
Daughter did say that. She never said the Baron was
00:49:59
yours. He was like, shut your mouth.
00:50:01
She never said the Baron was yours, no.
00:50:02
Nor did she say that you're a child, that this child was going
00:50:06
to be the future King of Scotland, Right?
00:50:08
She said there was more than more.
00:50:10
Children right to be the future king.
00:50:12
Of Scotland, she said there was another kid also.
00:50:16
So she had the the first thing that she said before she did the
00:50:19
bears reading. She said field of thorns men and
00:50:22
snared, bleeding, wailing and tormented.
00:50:24
I'm thinking that has to do with colliding because she said that
00:50:29
he did not answer the fray. He was standing over to the side
00:50:32
victorious. Now remember, he was the one
00:50:35
that was kind of flip flopping. You know, he was the one that
00:50:39
when Jamie and them came and asked for men for for the
00:50:44
Jacobites, he refused. He signed the treaty with Colin.
00:50:48
But then he turned around later and came.
00:50:50
And what was it that Jamie said? He said that he saved face in
00:50:55
front of column by saying that he was not going to send men and
00:50:59
then allowed his son to take them because that way, if
00:51:02
they're victorious, he can claim the glory.
00:51:05
But if they're not victorious and they lose, then he can say,
00:51:08
well, I didn't have any part in that.
00:51:10
Yeah, so I feel like that's probably what that was referring
00:51:15
to because of course they lost the Battle of Culloden.
00:51:18
He never officially signed his men up for it.
00:51:22
So now he can be on the on the side of the Brits and be like,
00:51:25
yeah, well, I thought I was going to win.
00:51:27
That's why I didn't see my, you know what I'm saying?
00:51:30
So that could be that. And then she comes into the
00:51:35
reading about the bear. She said there's two bears, one
00:51:37
after the other, right? There's a last alone with dark
00:51:41
curls and clear blue eyes. And she.
00:51:44
He was like, I don't, I don't have a need of daughter.
00:51:47
She was like, no worry. Her time is still to come.
00:51:50
I was like, OK, she must be talking about Claire.
00:51:52
Yeah, Claire. She could talk.
00:51:54
She could be talking about. She could be talking about.
00:51:58
All the stuff she. Does the Jane, whatever that
00:52:01
situation may be? And then she said the other bear
00:52:06
a boy of great importance, of higher purpose, uniting clans
00:52:10
for centuries to come. She said his fate hangs in the
00:52:14
balance, but when the fate of our nation is in peril, he will
00:52:18
have his part to play. That's the thing that's going to
00:52:21
be interesting because I'm really sitting here trying to
00:52:25
think of anybody in Outlander that that could have referred to
00:52:29
because, again, she never says that this band is the future
00:52:33
king of Scotland. Yeah.
00:52:35
So I don't think that's what she's talking about.
00:52:39
So I'm like, what is she talking about?
00:52:43
I'm sitting here thinking all kinds of things.
00:52:45
I'm like, OK, who could she? Who could she be referring to
00:52:49
'cause she be referring to like does Claire, like is Claire's
00:52:54
brother? I don't know.
00:52:57
Somebody that we've come across. Is it someone that I think one
00:53:01
of y'all mentioned could have been?
00:53:04
No, I don't think it was you. It was I think in the panel that
00:53:10
we did either the Blood of my Blood panel or the Outlander
00:53:13
panel we did at Dragon Con. It was mentioned because minor
00:53:19
spoiler and I think I've discussed this with both of you
00:53:21
guys before. Comp.
00:53:23
Saint Germain is a time travel and so somebody was wondering if
00:53:30
there's a tie between him and Claire and I was like.
00:53:35
Yeah, we talked about that. But he's far as I know, French
00:53:42
and they are in Scotland, so that would make sense.
00:53:45
But I don't know there. There's just so many.
00:53:47
It's so, it's so many, it's so many unknowns, right?
00:53:52
But the thing that we do know is 1 we already know that that's
00:53:55
not Lord Lovett's son, right? And obviously, Maisri also knows
00:54:01
that that is not. Lord Lovett's son, whatever she
00:54:03
read when she touched Julia's belly.
00:54:05
Oh, yeah. And then she probably know.
00:54:07
Like this woman ain't even where she's supposed to be.
00:54:10
They something ain't right with her.
00:54:11
She could. Yeah, she was just looking like.
00:54:16
Yeah, like she really got the sight, whatever it is, she got
00:54:20
the sight you and she felt it like she was afraid.
00:54:22
Oh yeah. Because people who don't have
00:54:25
the sight, they don't fear. They just make shit up and they
00:54:27
just whatever makes the person happy.
00:54:29
They just said you can see the fear in her when she was looking
00:54:32
at that. And then she did the egg in the
00:54:33
bowl and all that. Oh girl was like look OK I got
00:54:37
to fix this. Because especially about she and
00:54:39
me when she went to touch the belly and she kinda.
00:54:43
And looked at it and then she put her hand on there again,
00:54:46
like, oh, let me pretend like AI was like, well, pretended.
00:54:50
I don't think she was pretended. I I really like when she saw her
00:54:54
when you she she touched her and she looked up at her and it
00:54:58
almost like a look of like, yeah, this is not his baby, but
00:55:03
you're not there's something about you like you're not in the
00:55:08
right time or place. Yeah, yeah, She, she doesn't
00:55:12
know how to say that right. And then she touched back and
00:55:13
was like, OK, you got a boy and he's this, this and this and
00:55:18
then we and the layer over there make another shit up and she
00:55:21
didn't even make it. She make no comments whatever
00:55:23
whatever you. Think I was like, oh, I said She
00:55:26
never said that. Yes, your son is the king of
00:55:30
Scotland. Because I was thinking about of
00:55:32
of course, you know, there's a, there's a newer episode out.
00:55:35
So I've seen it and he mentions that whole thing again about the
00:55:39
future king of Scotland. Like did she?
00:55:42
Tell you she never said that. Because I just said wonder is
00:55:45
greater importance, yeah. And then when I went back and
00:55:48
watched, I said, Oh no, she never said anything.
00:55:51
She could say. Greater importance prophecy made
00:55:54
by her as well. The one he keeps holding on to.
00:55:58
So that's the thing, because I don't I don't recall ever
00:56:02
hearing this prophecy. So I'm like, OK, I need to know
00:56:05
the prophecy. So maybe they'll give us the
00:56:07
prophecy later in in one of the episodes leading up to the
00:56:10
season finale because he mentions it and I was like, what
00:56:15
prophecy? What prophecy is he talking
00:56:17
about? But you know, he she also
00:56:24
mentioned the Stone of Destiny, and I didn't get a chance, I
00:56:30
didn't get a chance to look up what the Stone of Destiny was.
00:56:33
But I'm trying to remember if that was similar to the, to the
00:56:40
prophecy that Gala's heard that what's her name?
00:56:48
Yeah. That's exactly what just came up
00:56:50
on Google when I was trying to look it up.
00:56:52
Really, it was something about the property is about what what
00:56:55
Megalis want to do her thing. So I think we're going to have
00:57:00
to ponder this a little bit more and discuss it in the next
00:57:03
episode. Because when she said Stone of
00:57:06
destiny, I was like, wait, she talking about that sounds so
00:57:10
familiar, but I I was like, OK, she can't be talking about the
00:57:15
standing stones because she should have said stones unless
00:57:19
she's talking about that one main stone.
00:57:22
And then, OK, going back to this, here's the other question
00:57:26
that I have in the last episode when Ellen was talking to Julia
00:57:33
about Belt Beltane and about the, you know, the the dancers
00:57:38
who come in and about the whole 100 years, Like they come into
00:57:42
the stones and they do the dances.
00:57:44
And then when they go back, they realize 100 years have passed
00:57:47
and everything that they have ever known has changed.
00:57:49
My question is who is coming back and telling these stories
00:57:55
because y'all didn't just get this just from anywhere somebody
00:57:59
had to come back and tell y'all yeah I went back and all this
00:58:02
time had gone past and everything I knew was gone.
00:58:05
Who's coming back and telling the?
00:58:06
Stories. But then also, like 100 years is
00:58:10
a long time for them to be still alive and coming back because
00:58:13
everybody ages as they travel. They still age, you know what I
00:58:17
mean? So how are they coming back 100
00:58:19
years later to be able to tell it, though, that's the question.
00:58:22
Well, maybe the time period is a little exaggerated.
00:58:25
Well, I think, I don't think 100 years means like maybe like
00:58:30
specifically 100 years. It's kind of like with with
00:58:33
Claire in them, whenever they travel, their travel is exactly
00:58:37
202 years forward or backwards. It's almost never different
00:58:41
except for this last time when Rodger went back a little bit
00:58:45
further. But it's always 202 years.
00:58:50
So I don't know, maybe whoever was telling these stories, maybe
00:58:53
they just said 100 years, but maybe it could have been more.
00:58:56
Or maybe that was just a guesstimate.
00:58:58
Like, OK, they come through the stones, let's say during
00:59:01
Beltane. And then whenever they go back,
00:59:03
they realize 100 years have passed or they they end up 100
00:59:08
years. I I don't know how that that
00:59:10
goes, but it's like, who's coming back and telling the
00:59:13
story? That's what I want to know.
00:59:14
Who is telling the stories in the 1700s?
00:59:17
Because you're like, yeah, they've been telling these
00:59:19
stories that you're fool. Who, who who's coming back?
00:59:27
Because as far as we know, Claire and Brianna and Roger are
00:59:31
the only ones who have, you know, traveled back and forth
00:59:34
except for from what we know of the books.
00:59:37
Maybe the constant Jermaine. Yeah.
00:59:41
Maybe Master Raymond, because I think it was, I think it's been
00:59:44
speculated that he's a time traveler, but I haven't gotten
00:59:48
to the stories about Master Raymond yet that may confirm or
00:59:52
not, but it's possible he may also be a time traveler as well.
00:59:57
So it's like who's telling the stories?
01:00:00
That's that's really what I want to know because that might also
01:00:05
feed into some of this stuff that Mazri is saying.
01:00:08
Or it could have something to do with the stuff that happens in
01:00:11
the Outlander show with this whole Jane and Fanny and face
01:00:15
connection, whatever that may be.
01:00:17
It it, it, it just changes everything we know because we
01:00:24
don't know. Yeah.
01:00:27
And then with the seer saying that he's a greater importance
01:00:32
and he was saying like, I don't know if he said like king or
01:00:34
what not even greater than his greater importance.
01:00:37
So he's important. So we so Claire, if he if she
01:00:42
has a if Julie has a boy, has a brother and that brother is
01:00:46
someone of importance. But have we met the brother or
01:00:49
are we going to meet the brother?
01:00:51
We have no idea. Or we may.
01:00:54
Never meet the brother and we just find out about the things
01:00:58
the brother did. Higher purpose, uniting clans
01:01:02
for centuries to come. That does sound like a king, but
01:01:05
that could also be. She said even greater importance
01:01:09
than that. No, she said.
01:01:10
A boy of great importance, higher purpose, uniting clans
01:01:14
for centuries to come. But his fate hangs in the
01:01:19
balance. No, he said something, the lair
01:01:21
said something, and she said even greater.
01:01:26
Go back, I forgot what. He said he said yeah, he said a
01:01:28
king, I think. And she said even greater, even
01:01:30
greater. Yeah, he is of greater
01:01:33
importance, greater than the king.
01:01:37
But his faith does hangs in the balance.
01:01:39
So I don't know. Yeah, his faith hangs in the
01:01:42
balance. When the fate of our nation is
01:01:44
in peril, he will have his part to play.
01:01:50
OK, we got to think about that. But again, very interesting that
01:01:57
all of this is coming out about Julia's baby and Julia's sitting
01:02:01
there. Like I was sitting there looking
01:02:03
like I said, Julia, I need you to control your face because
01:02:06
everything that you are feeling right now is showing.
01:02:09
You are like, Oh my God, this is first of all, I feel like she
01:02:12
felt like all of that was just too much.
01:02:15
Like, OK, you need to stop because this ain't even his
01:02:18
child. Like, she wasn't paying
01:02:19
attention to Mazri the way I think we were paying attention
01:02:23
to Major because the way the camera focused on her face, like
01:02:26
we were meant to pay attention to her kind of pulling back and
01:02:30
like, oh, shit, what did I just what did I just read?
01:02:33
I don't think Julia was paying attention.
01:02:35
Miss Porter wasn't paying attention except for listening
01:02:38
to what was going on. And then, of course, later on
01:02:42
she goes to him and she was like, yeah, so Major never said
01:02:45
that was your child. And I'm gonna be honest, that's
01:02:47
not your child. She was like she was pregnant
01:02:49
when she got the Leathers. And he's like, how do you know,
01:02:53
'cause I'm a woman who knows what it is to carry a child and
01:02:56
how women act when they pregnant, right?
01:02:58
He's like, hey, you shut your mouth, you.
01:03:01
Say a word. Thing that really surprised me
01:03:04
because he was like, if you say a word of this to anyone, the
01:03:10
last thing you will see is balance dirt going across your
01:03:14
neck. I was like, wait, she just told
01:03:17
you this is not your child and you don't care, but it's because
01:03:20
of what he thinks he heard. It's going to be tied to him no
01:03:25
matter what now, so he don't care.
01:03:29
He that makes him happy. But my thing is when, if because
01:03:35
I don't know. I mean, I'm assuming they're
01:03:37
going to be getting back together because the way things
01:03:38
are looking, I don't know. Henry never don't get back
01:03:42
together. Wait, That's next.
01:03:46
That's next. I.
01:03:47
Just wonder like, you know, when they do finally come out and
01:03:51
they're like, yeah, this time my husband and he's freeing me, I'm
01:03:54
going to be with my husband, whatever.
01:03:56
And they run away. They got to first of all, get
01:03:58
out of Frederick in Scotland because there's no way anybody's
01:04:02
going to let them just run off and go free the mother stuff,
01:04:05
the Grants nor the Fraziers, right?
01:04:08
So like, they gonna have to go immediately to the phones and
01:04:12
get the hell on right 'cause otherwise, what are they gonna
01:04:15
be able to do? And so that's the thing.
01:04:16
Like, I feel like since they never came back to their time,
01:04:21
where did they end up going? And you know what's funny?
01:04:23
I know this is weird, I know this is weird, but what if they
01:04:29
do make it back to the phones and they're like, we just want
01:04:32
to be back with our daughter Claire, but it brings him to 17,
01:04:36
whatever, wherever Claire is now as a old lady.
01:04:40
And then they're like, what the hell?
01:04:43
And now they're just stuck in that time.
01:04:45
Right, right. 'Cause that would.
01:04:48
Yeah, that would. Be And that's what that's what I
01:04:50
was thinking. We have one more season.
01:04:52
Yeah, we have one more season. And then they do end up actually
01:04:57
seeing her again. That would be nice, but yeah,
01:05:03
that that would be crazy because it's like if they say, hey, we
01:05:07
want to see our daughter and they go through the stones and
01:05:10
what happens if all they do is they go forward 30 years and
01:05:15
here's a grown up Claire and this like, why are we still in
01:05:18
the Why are we still in the past?
01:05:20
We said we want to be with our. Guys or they don't make it and
01:05:23
the brother ends up going through the stones and say I
01:05:27
want to meet my sister. If yeah, OK, that that's that's
01:05:35
too much for me to think about. We look, we still have 5
01:05:39
episodes for the first season. That's I know, OK, yeah.
01:05:42
Speculation is real though, so we'll wait.
01:05:46
So, so going back to Miss Porter, like I really feel at
01:05:54
this point now she's, she's trying to protect her position,
01:05:58
her standing and her son's standing because what is it that
01:06:03
she said? She said Lord Lovett does the
01:06:06
reading for all of his children. She said this plural.
01:06:11
He's done this for all of his children.
01:06:14
So either he's had more children that are either dead or that he,
01:06:19
I guess he. Didn't they?
01:06:21
Could be other bastards and he deemed them not worthy because
01:06:24
obviously he thinks Brian is not worthy because what is it that
01:06:27
he says when Mazri right before she does the reading he said So
01:06:32
what about the bear Is this is this child one that will be
01:06:36
worthy of the phraser name? I was like, oh, how dare you
01:06:39
like. Excuse me?
01:06:41
Yeah, I just, I was so offended for Brian when he said that,
01:06:45
like, excuse me. And, and so again, now I really,
01:06:50
now I really do want to know what the background is behind
01:06:53
Brian's birth, behind this whole thing, because the whole, the
01:06:58
whole vibe with Miss Porter is weird, you know, because on the
01:07:04
one hand, he's very dismissive of her.
01:07:07
And you know, literally it's like, well, if you tell anybody,
01:07:10
this isn't my child, I'm going to kill you.
01:07:12
But then in the next thing, he's like, you know, how much I I
01:07:16
admire your or how much I trust you and how much you know, how
01:07:21
much I admire your years of loyalty and stuff.
01:07:23
And it's like something about the look on her face is very
01:07:27
there is a conflict there. So, you know, I was thinking
01:07:33
about what we were talking about in the last episode.
01:07:35
It's almost like, again, we don't know what the situation is
01:07:40
for them to we know what's been said.
01:07:44
And then, oh, the one thing that Ned Gowen mentions in this
01:07:49
episode, So apparently the thing that happened that caused him to
01:07:53
lose his status, his other castle and everything is that he
01:07:57
took a noble woman, apparently kidnapped her and raped her, or
01:08:03
that's that's what he's accused of doing.
01:08:05
So OK, this is the this is the first time that I think we
01:08:10
concretely know that this is some something in his character.
01:08:15
This is not something that's like basically a rumor, like you
01:08:19
literally lost your castle and everything about of course, he's
01:08:21
still blaming everything on the Mackenzie's.
01:08:23
But if what they're saying is is true of what Nick Gowan is
01:08:27
saying is true, then we know that this is something that is
01:08:30
in this man's character. So it kind of, I feel like it
01:08:36
makes Miss Porter a little bit more complex because again, if
01:08:42
this happened to her and she ended up having a child with
01:08:45
him, maybe she's still there because this is the better life
01:08:51
that she could give her son as opposed to being a, you know, of
01:08:54
course, 1700s, you got raped. Oh, you're a whore.
01:08:57
Because they don't care that he would have forced her.
01:08:59
They would just been looking at her like, oh, you Jezebel, blah,
01:09:01
blah, blah, blah. Right.
01:09:03
So May seduced him, and you did. It's always the woman's fault.
01:09:06
Right. Always.
01:09:08
So maybe she stayed, maybe she stayed there, one, to stay
01:09:14
employed so that she can raise her child and two, because Lord
01:09:19
Lovett all, all you know, he obviously claims Bryant, even
01:09:23
though he is always my bastard son and not his regular son.
01:09:28
But if he does this, this reading for all his children,
01:09:30
where the rest of his children? That's the question too.
01:09:34
But I also wonder if. He made him like maybe he he had
01:09:40
a love for Brian more than what he does now.
01:09:44
Like when he was younger and maybe things changed as Brian
01:09:47
got older and he realized Brian was nothing like him or And
01:09:52
that's when he. Yeah, yeah.
01:09:53
Or maybe, you know, you mentioned it earlier, but he did
01:09:58
mention it in this episode. But he was talking to Ellen.
01:10:01
Maybe when Brian went on his pilgrimage, maybe that's what
01:10:05
caused his father to be like, oh, OK, I don't want nothing to
01:10:07
do with you because you left me. Right.
01:10:10
Yeah. Or something like that.
01:10:11
I mean, you don't appreciate. Me, you know.
01:10:14
And it depends on when that happened.
01:10:17
Did this happen, like, before Lord Lovett fell from
01:10:21
prominence, or did it happen afterwards?
01:10:24
Because if it happened afterwards, he probably would
01:10:26
have felt like Brian abandoned him in his time of need, you
01:10:31
know, that sort of thing. And then, of course, Brian
01:10:33
probably came home out of a sense of duty to his dad, you
01:10:37
know, like, OK, yeah, my dad did this fucked up thing and caused
01:10:40
us to lose everything, but he's still my dad.
01:10:43
Again, 1700s mindset. Like, he's still my dad.
01:10:46
I'm still going to go be the dutiful son.
01:10:49
And then maybe he didn't want to leave his mom alone with that
01:10:51
monster. You know, yeah.
01:10:54
Or he could also gave him his last name after he lost
01:10:59
everything 'cause he was like, well, it don't matter now 'cause
01:11:03
I ain't really the Lord and, you know, the honest to God like
01:11:06
Lord anymore. So it really don't matter if I
01:11:09
got a bastard son or not. That's true.
01:11:15
Oh my. Goodness, yeah, I need that back
01:11:16
store too. Yeah.
01:11:19
But yeah, that, that whole thing, like the whole thing with
01:11:23
Julia, and I know that she did what she did to protect herself,
01:11:31
to protect her child, but it feels like this lie is now
01:11:37
spiraling out of control. Yeah.
01:11:41
Yeah, 'cause it didn't help with what the senior said to be No,
01:11:45
it didn't help. Because now you think they
01:11:47
wouldn't let you go anywhere before.
01:11:50
You ain't going nowhere now. You ain't nowhere now.
01:11:53
You really made Miss Porter your enemy at this point, because now
01:11:58
she here and all this stuff. She know you lying and but then
01:12:02
now you got this man head all in like and she had a threat in.
01:12:07
Her life to protect your life. Yeah, it's it's a mess.
01:12:16
It's a mess. I just I, I just kind of I fret
01:12:20
for whatever's going to happen when she has this baby because
01:12:25
it's like with the way things are and the time period that
01:12:29
she's in, they could very well take that baby from her and she
01:12:32
really could have no recourse yeah.
01:12:35
Because who are you? You're some nameless woman who
01:12:39
got dropped into our lap, just slept with the lair, had his
01:12:43
baby. So now we just gonna keep the
01:12:46
baby. We gonna throw you out on the
01:12:47
street because who are you now but a vessel to us?
01:12:49
I mean, that's literally the mindset he could have.
01:12:55
I don't think Brian would let that happen.
01:12:57
But again, Brian now is at Bell Tank.
01:13:00
Yeah. But also, she, she didn't
01:13:02
consider that, you know, that's actually, that's a very valid
01:13:06
point that he could have been happy to have a kid, but he
01:13:09
didn't want her once it was done.
01:13:11
And what was she gonna do if they did kick her out?
01:13:14
And then what's his name? Bullock.
01:13:16
Bullock, whatever his name, Ballack.
01:13:18
Ballack. Take her off to the side of the
01:13:20
road and drop her somewhere where she can't find her way
01:13:22
back. Or.
01:13:23
Kill her or kill her or kill her.
01:13:26
Yeah, 'cause he clearly has no problem with that.
01:13:30
Right. But I, you know, I think
01:13:33
probably for her, I don't think this this was something she
01:13:37
planned. This was something that she
01:13:39
ended up doing because Miss Porter told her, OK, you can
01:13:41
either drink this tea or the layer can get rid of the baby
01:13:45
for you because, you know, you being pregnant, you're not going
01:13:48
to be any good. Such.
01:13:49
You're not going to be able to do your chores, blah, blah,
01:13:51
blah, blah, blah. Just like now, you know.
01:13:54
Yeah. Lord Lovett is like, OK, you
01:13:56
you're going to make sure all her chores are done for her.
01:13:58
She's not going to do it. Like, knowing that this is not
01:14:01
your child. You're still giving her all the
01:14:04
accommodations. Again, I feel like, yes,
01:14:06
something like that could happen.
01:14:08
But I think maybe even when Julia did that, maybe she was
01:14:13
thinking that she wouldn't be there that long.
01:14:16
Maybe she was hoping that by, you know, that she and Henry
01:14:20
would have already found each other by then and they would
01:14:22
have gone back to Claire and everything would have been OK.
01:14:25
So I really don't think she was thinking long term.
01:14:29
I think she was looking at, OK, this is a problem right now that
01:14:33
I need to, that I need to solve to keep my baby safe, right?
01:14:40
Yeah. I don't know.
01:14:43
Oof. I just, that's just very scary.
01:14:47
Yeah. That they just really have no
01:14:49
qualms with murdering people and raping all that.
01:14:54
And there's no law, there's really no law to tell them that
01:14:57
they can't do that. Yeah, you know, they what is it?
01:15:01
What is it that they call it? Clan justice.
01:15:04
Yeah. If if they feel like something
01:15:06
needs to be done, and most likely clan justice would be if
01:15:12
it comes out that Julia lied about the baby being his,
01:15:16
they're going to see justice against her.
01:15:19
Yeah, not him. They're going to see justice
01:15:21
against her. So yeah, that's going to that's
01:15:27
going to be complicated, especially because she's so
01:15:30
close now. Again, wow.
01:15:32
They've been gone for months. They've been there for months.
01:15:36
That's crazy. I hate it.
01:15:40
The only other thing that I really want to talk about again,
01:15:44
I think we mentioned this before.
01:15:46
I am really enjoying this kind of pseudo bromance with Ned and
01:15:52
Henry. Like these are two people who
01:15:55
who are on opposite class, but you see that they kind of they
01:15:58
kind of have a bond. And I like that.
01:16:00
And I need to know who. I need to know who this person
01:16:04
was that Ned Gowen was in love with.
01:16:06
Because. Oh, I know.
01:16:08
Have a soft spot for Ned Gowen. You know, he's been there
01:16:12
through all of their trials and tribulations.
01:16:14
And it's so funny because I was re watching Outlanders season 7
01:16:19
for Dragon Con and it was the episode where Jamie is meeting
01:16:24
with Leary to sign over bow rigging to her.
01:16:28
And like Nick Gowan has looked over things.
01:16:32
She was like Nick Gowan is still alive.
01:16:34
He was like old and crotchety but and missing a few teeth.
01:16:37
But yeah, he's still around. And I was like, I would like to
01:16:39
see Nick Gowan again and again. I love the casting that they did
01:16:44
for this show because he it's his personality.
01:16:48
So but I need to know the story like who broke your heart?
01:16:53
Did this person die? Did they leave you?
01:16:55
What happened? I need to know.
01:16:57
I need to know. But that was funny.
01:17:03
I actually kind of wonder because I feel like Ned has a
01:17:07
little something for Ellen and I wonder if maybe Ellen's mom
01:17:13
could have possibly been somebody he was, you know, in
01:17:18
love with or something. If he he does, I feel like he
01:17:23
has this, like everybody else, he has this thing about Ellen,
01:17:27
but I feel like, I don't know, I feel like he has a thing for
01:17:30
her, but like, obviously he knows it'll never be a thing,
01:17:32
right? But like I feel like he had.
01:17:35
Even beyond it is weird because in some instances when he's
01:17:39
talking to her, it does come across like he may also be
01:17:44
infatuated with her. But then in other instances when
01:17:47
he's talking to her is almost paternal.
01:17:50
Yeah. So it's like he's very.
01:17:51
Weird Jacob. Yeah, right.
01:17:54
That could be her mother he was in love with.
01:17:56
That's what I'm thinking because that story so sad.
01:18:00
I know, I know. But I and it's even more sad
01:18:04
because he's he's basically like trying to tell Henry, like it
01:18:08
might be time for you to let this woman go.
01:18:10
But this is something I've wondered.
01:18:13
Harry is not telling anyone that this woman is his wife.
01:18:18
Why is he not telling people this?
01:18:21
He just keeps telling them that he's looking for a woman.
01:18:24
Looking for a woman, right? Tell me.
01:18:26
So she's looking for your wife. Your pregnant wife.
01:18:29
That might ring some bells with people.
01:18:32
Yeah. Pregnant English woman, but
01:18:33
perhaps? That's why I was funny when she
01:18:36
said the the the black lady, the black proprietors like British
01:18:41
woman with kind eyes. I got you.
01:18:43
And I was like, oh, Laura, she didn't find some slice nut
01:18:46
roaming the countryside roaming. The islands, when I tell you I
01:18:51
was so mad when he walked in that room because I was like, I
01:18:53
know this is not Julia. What did he get?
01:18:55
And when, when she walked out like nothing against, nothing
01:19:01
against the horn, nothing against her, but I was like, I,
01:19:06
you saw how Henry's face fell and I felt so bad for that girl.
01:19:12
But I'm like, but you know, he was, you weren't what he was
01:19:14
looking for. But why are you not telling
01:19:18
folks that you were looking for your wife?
01:19:20
Like she wouldn't be a horror lady this matter what she would
01:19:23
be doing. Well, you know, that was the
01:19:25
thing. He was like, you know, have you
01:19:26
ever wanted something and didn't want something at the same time?
01:19:30
He was like, because I would have loved to have found her,
01:19:32
but it would have broke. I think it would have broken his
01:19:34
heart if he had found her there, because it would have.
01:19:38
It really would have been one of those situations where she
01:19:41
probably wouldn't have had a choice.
01:19:43
Yeah. I mean, if you think about it,
01:19:47
if the crofter and his wife didn't knock her upside the head
01:19:51
and bring her to the Frasers, where would she be right now?
01:19:53
She could have ended up there easily if someone else had found
01:19:59
her on the road. Let's say if even if Ballack had
01:20:02
found her on the road. Someone like that, she could be
01:20:06
dead in a ditch somewhere. That's true.
01:20:10
That's very true. Or like you said it, they could
01:20:12
have sold her out to the to the whole house and then, you know,
01:20:16
'cause they clearly have no problem with taking people's
01:20:20
autonomy and just being like, oh, it's.
01:20:21
Selling fun now like I'm a just grab Dean off the side and go
01:20:25
here he go. You have her cover.
01:20:28
Who? Is for her.
01:20:29
Or some who way what? Oh, yeah, that's great.
01:20:33
Thank you. I needed a job, but yeah.
01:20:39
I don't know, I liked this episode.
01:20:41
I really did. But also there were Mercer.
01:20:45
I just. There was a lot of pain.
01:20:50
Michelle, I thought about you. I was like I said, I know.
01:20:55
She over there crying in her cups.
01:20:56
Bob Marks. Yeah, that's why I sent you a
01:20:58
text message. I was like, I'm done.
01:21:00
She was like, I'm done. I can't watch this show.
01:21:02
I'm done, she. Was like I can't do.
01:21:05
It I turned it off too. I was like Nope, Nope, the pain.
01:21:10
And then OK, I got a side note. OK, so when the ladies came out
01:21:14
to dance at the end. Yes.
01:21:17
I got thought so. When did they have dance
01:21:20
practice? Now they just know they they
01:21:25
were all together. I don't know it's one.
01:21:27
Of those things where that, that's one of those, yeah.
01:21:30
It's kind of like passed down from mother to daughter to.
01:21:33
No ma'am, they had to meet every Mondays when the sun is at the
01:21:37
highest. We were doing it all together.
01:21:41
We knew when to turn left, when to turn right.
01:21:43
We practice this. I love it.
01:21:46
I mean, they probably have a little group that gets together
01:21:48
and do it. And learn it just I just thought
01:21:51
of it as they were doing it was like that just tickled me.
01:21:54
But I did love seeing it. I mean it.
01:21:57
Was pretty. It is very much so.
01:22:00
Like it's, you know, and it's the same thing from like the
01:22:02
original 1, you know, the people in this square.
01:22:05
So I like that they did that, Carl back to kind of show it's
01:22:08
been going on for a. Long time for a long time.
01:22:11
But I'm so glad that wasn't a wedding because when they
01:22:13
started this episode out and Ellen was doing her dress fit, I
01:22:16
was like, are we doing a wedding already?
01:22:18
Like, what is going on? What, what did I mean?
01:22:22
I was like, 'cause I don't think I remember her actually getting
01:22:25
married to Malcolm Grant. And I was like, what is going
01:22:28
on? And then oh, OK, here again,
01:22:31
Jacosta coming in all snarky. 300 cast pain in my existence.
01:22:38
That's OK. This is hard.
01:22:41
That's why I like shows like this though 'cause it's hard to,
01:22:45
to just hate people. Yeah, like there's something
01:22:48
like Simon Fraser, like he gets out of hate, like he, there's no
01:22:51
redeeming qualities for him. But like, I really can't hate
01:22:54
Japan, so I really can't hate like Malcolm.
01:22:58
I, you know, there's who are probably really crappy people,
01:23:00
but when you see their back story and all the things they've
01:23:02
had to deal with, I can't hate Davina Porter 'cause I feel like
01:23:06
she a woman in the same in that time and she been there her
01:23:09
whole life, probably dealing with this same shit, you know,
01:23:13
and I'm just like, I can't hate her, but I can't hate her.
01:23:17
I can't. Hate Frank, you know.
01:23:20
Well, I know 'cause he wasn't his father.
01:23:22
He actually was a decent. Dude, but also that Jack.
01:23:25
What was his name? Jack Black.
01:23:27
Jack Randall. Now I hate him.
01:23:29
That's OK. That mofo that.
01:23:31
One right there, yeah. Arch bug We can hate him 'cause
01:23:36
I don't, I don't see anything redeeming about him yet Yeah.
01:23:39
So yeah, we can hate him too. But he can.
01:23:42
Kick rocks. Yeah.
01:23:44
But it's just so many good characters that are just,
01:23:47
they're not horrible people, but they are.
01:23:50
And I don't know, it's just hard.
01:23:52
Yeah, because even going back to the whole Miss Porter thing,
01:23:55
it's like I think we talked about in the last episode, like,
01:23:59
you see, this woman is alone. She's she's kind of a fish out
01:24:03
of a out of water. She's pregnant.
01:24:06
You could help her out. But again, going back to what we
01:24:10
were saying as well, if if Miss Porter's position is so
01:24:17
precarious that her opening her mouth could threaten, you know,
01:24:21
like she can be threatened to be killed or be put out on the
01:24:24
street. She probably is just protecting
01:24:28
her standing, her place and her son's place.
01:24:32
You know, and it's like that kind of that kind of environment
01:24:36
doesn't really foster. OK, let's stand up for each
01:24:40
other. Let's take up for each other.
01:24:41
Let's watch out for each other. It literally is every woman for
01:24:45
herself. And she's got to think about
01:24:46
herself. She's got to think about her
01:24:49
child, even though he a grown ass man, but still, you got to
01:24:52
think about what's going to happen with him if his father
01:24:56
decides. Oh, OK, You know what?
01:24:58
I got another bastard coming, and then let's let's not even
01:25:01
talk about that. What?
01:25:02
What happens if he decides? Far as Lord Lord Lovett is
01:25:05
concerned, Julie is a single woman.
01:25:08
He might be like, OK, you finna marry me.
01:25:11
Yeah, that's gonna be a problem. Yeah.
01:25:14
And and they can resend the, the can't they resend the like the
01:25:19
like the, the unbastardizing he did.
01:25:22
Can he just take that back and make him make him take away his
01:25:25
last name again and stuff like that?
01:25:27
I mean, he can, I think he can keep the last name, but it's
01:25:32
just, you know, because you're, because you are a bastard of
01:25:35
that last name. He's not really entitled to
01:25:39
anything. If Lord Lovett says no, I don't
01:25:42
want to leave him anything he doesn't have to.
01:25:44
Yeah. So that's, that's, you know, I
01:25:50
did wonder about that. Is that like one of the reasons
01:25:52
why she also was scared is that he could take that away from her
01:25:57
son. And if he gets a new son and you
01:26:00
know. But he hadn't even gotten he he
01:26:02
don't have anything to give him. You lost everything because you
01:26:06
couldn't keep a Dick in your pants.
01:26:07
Yeah, but also, yeah, also you rather have a new conquest then
01:26:13
to get some money to pay them bills to fix your house, right?
01:26:17
So exactly, exactly. I got to think about my needs.
01:26:22
Sir, your roof is falling down on you.
01:26:24
Like really, have you seen, have you seen the outside of of that
01:26:29
castle? Like there was a shot where
01:26:31
Julie was outside. I think it was when she was
01:26:33
coming back from leaving the offering for the the milk
01:26:37
fairies or whatever. Half of the roof on one side of
01:26:41
the building is gone. It's gone.
01:26:45
Bricks are missing from the side of the building.
01:26:51
But you would rather get the girl because you got needs too,
01:26:55
Yeah? Just selfish and horrible.
01:26:59
Like have you ever a real layered like how?
01:27:03
Right. Probably by taking stuff.
01:27:07
He's so disgusting, so great. Do we have anything else about
01:27:13
this episode to talk about? Because I'm really anxious to
01:27:15
get to the next episode. No, we we hit the the
01:27:19
highlights. Yeah, we, I think we got
01:27:22
everything because most of it was them ravishing each other on
01:27:25
the church flow. Right.
01:27:29
And then, you know, devastation. Yeah, and they're learning about
01:27:33
each other after the ravishing. Then the loss of the first.
01:27:36
Your first love, sister, sibling rivalry.
01:27:41
Yeah, yeah. And the fortune teller and the
01:27:45
fortune. Of poor little Martha.
01:27:48
Yeah. I feel like I want to go back
01:27:50
and watch that Lord love it episode of the regular Outlander
01:27:53
show now though, and just kind of.
01:27:55
Just to see. Yeah, just to see.
01:27:57
Yeah. Actually, that's a good idea.
01:27:59
I think I'm actually, I want to do a rewatch of the whole series
01:28:02
because like the stuff that you see and you're like, oh snap,
01:28:08
this reminds me of so and so I like.
01:28:10
Right. Especially some of the stuff
01:28:13
that we're learning now, it's like when you think about the
01:28:16
characters and where we last saw them or how we've seen them,
01:28:19
it's like, OK, so I see how they're weaving that story.
01:28:23
Like I think they're doing a really good job, I will say
01:28:25
that. But again, I think I I need to I
01:28:30
need to see the transition of what happens with Mercer.
01:28:34
I think that's going to be the biggest that's that's kind of
01:28:37
aside from the Henry and Julia mystery.
01:28:40
I think that's the biggest draw for me is to see what's going on
01:28:43
with Martha and and how he gets from here to where we got him.
01:28:52
So, yeah. So OK, if you guys don't have
01:28:57
anything else to say about this episode, we're going to go ahead
01:29:01
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