#moonknight #marvel This episode of Moon Knight gave all of us – in Mike’s words – emotional damage! While trying to balance their scales, the goddess Tawaret guides Marc and Steven on a painful and emotional journey through Marc’s memories, and we discover the event that broke down the walls keeping them separate.
This episode was originally recorded on May 17, 2022.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of The Phantom hybrid podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Anthony Lori and Mike and we are discussing the fifth
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episode of moon night. So Mike, I'm gonna go ahead and
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let you say it in motion though. Damage bra.
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This is the, this was the over a mess with my head.
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So bad, like a blast, most of the episode with my As over my
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heart like this. Like, like can it get any worse?
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Oh, yes, it can get worse. Like, oh God.
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I mean, the whole thing with his mom was just, it was
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heartbreaking. Like, holy shit.
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Like she would, I mean, in this, like you kind of want to be
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like, how can't believe she did that shit?
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But then you're like, okay, I can understand.
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But it's like still, he was like school.
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He's a child. Like if she was just like in, oh
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my God. And then, it's like him standing
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outside and his father, tried to get him to come into the
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funeral. Like, I was like, I was, I was
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literally while I was watching it at work again and started
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crying. I'm like, I'm going to start
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watching shit. I don't even try to watch it at
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work. What is wrong with you?
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Because I had to see it because it was because it was Wednesday
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and my lunch break and I was like, fuck.
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I'm watching it because I wanted to watch it.
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I was like, rude bullshit, but it was a great So this just like
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those scenes got me, man. Holy shit.
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I'm just gonna say I watched it. I gave you guys my opinion,
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off-screen. I watched it again.
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I revise my opinion, because I think that there's a lot more
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going on that I didn't get the first time, but yeah, it was
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emotional damage and that mom needs to be like
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institutionalized or something, because that wasn't right.
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Well, she's dead. Now so it doesn't really matter.
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But you know what? What I was I when I was looking
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at it and I thought about the when he was standing outside
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like he couldn't convince himself to go in.
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I was like oh that's when you know in the last episode Mark
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told Layla he said you know I had a I had control of it until
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recently I think that's when it that's when it broke.
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That's when he lost almost almost certainly almost
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certainly don't make it takes a traumatic event cause the walls
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to start to crumble, right? You know, where other ones who
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say this real quick before we get started, is the amount of
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effort and detail. They took into dealing with his
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mental health and showing like the progression of how these
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things occur and and expressing it in this way.
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In this environment, I don't know who they have on their
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writing staff, that does all their research.
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But we see Esau and Falcon when a soldier we saw it in one
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division. They are completely even though
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Hawkeye via completely nailing, all of these mental health
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issues, like almost just, they almost like clinical studies.
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Yeah. And I was looking for my I was,
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we were looking for our DSM. My wife has, she has more
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recently than I do. I couldn't find it, but I have
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it for the next time where we can actually go through.
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Some of these these things that he's dealing with, that'll be
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interesting. Yeah, I'm actually should have
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point where I would love to actually, you know, hear about
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that because this, yeah, This episode is Heart breaking.
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But like almost from start to finish this, like, oh my God,
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like I was just, I mean, and the way and again, I'm going to say
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it again and I'm gonna say it. Every time I'm saying, the next
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episode we do on this show, to, if Oscar, Isaac does not win a
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fucking a ward for this portrayal, for everything that
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he's put into this fucking roll, then something's fucking wrong.
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Like isn't I keep I mean, He is like the literally breaking
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himself into three different characters.
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I mean I'm actually starting to wonder if he does have the idid
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like because he is I mean, he's doing he's doing he's doing a
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yeoman's job of actually studying and it would doing the
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accents where he literally is and his body language his by
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mostly his body language, like when he changes from Mark to
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Stephen, you can see How he walks how he holds himself is
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entirely different. It's not just him.
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Doing a voice in Walking, the same, he's doing a voice and
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shuffling and looking confused and bewildered.
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And it's like he's at, he's actually turns into Steven.
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It's incredible and I'm like, he needs to pee these accolades
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immediately and they need to go ahead and announce that they're
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doing the second season. Yes, this they will because at
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this point, we're recording now does.
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Oh, has been off for two weeks now.
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We got the season finale or series finale, whatever.
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We got a finale two weeks ago and they still haven't said
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anything. I need a second season or y'all
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need to tell me Moonlight will return in whatever.
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I mean there was there was something that they posted where
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it said there was something online that said series finale
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and then they said they changed it to season finale.
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Yeah. Which I mentioned in last
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episode. Yep.
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So hopefully that means that we get another season of it.
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We need it. Yeah.
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And hopefully hopefully that means they'll bring a bring some
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other sort of know the characters that it and I'm kind
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of mad that they're not. I mean, this is like almost the
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perfect place to bring it. The do he has other problems
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right now to bring in kit harington's character from
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eternals, it just have them like walking around in the
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background. It's like there was there was I
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actually saw an article earlier today that said that there was
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an idea that they were going to bring them with me in because of
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the fact that he, you know, has a job in a museum.
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But they didn't want to bring him into another show or movie
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and not have him donned the suit and I don't think it will make
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sense at this point. So I don't think they, I think
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that's the reason why they didn't put it in.
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So I just want to see him in the background just walking around.
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Like, like like sadly, like the Leonardo DiCaprio Caprio, give
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me like, Right, like you, there he is but I don't even know
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where I want to start. Like I don't know, you know,
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that's the started, the beginning them talking to
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what's-her-name power it. Yes, no, no, let's not start,
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that wasn't even that. What?
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Okay, so let's start at the beginning.
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Beginning anybody else realize that this was the first time
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that the access Marvel Avengers theme played at the opening
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credits. Whoa, I didn't actually I didn't
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hear anything. Yeah, because that was the first
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I noticed when I started watching it, I was like wait,
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why are they playing The Avengers thing?
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All right huh it just it was so out of out of the blue because
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every other episode that we've had this season, there's been,
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you know, either original music or you know, some some type of
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track. But they've never played The
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Avengers theme for this show yet because the whole time oh wait,
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what is this about? Because it had that that Middle
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Eastern theme that It was last week which I thought was cool
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and then it disappeared. I was like, well I actually like
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that. Hmm, yeah.
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But no, they they changed the opening theme every episode.
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I think mostly I didn't ya attention every episode because
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that's one of the things that I did notice about this show, the
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music isn't World. Anyway, most most of their
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shows. The music is incredible.
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Yeah, it is. And so listening to the Middle
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Eastern music or listening to the Egyptian music and it's In
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like for me it's been soothing because that music is just so
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it's so beautiful to listen to. And then for it to come in and
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it's the Avengers theme, I was like, wait, what?
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What are what are? What are we doing it?
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Just it through me. I still don't know why they made
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that different. I'm sure it probably means
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something. I don't know because that's the
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way they tend to do. But yeah, I just thought that
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was different like right off the bat.
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Did anyone notice? This when he was talking to
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Harold, it's at the very very beginning like and he was like
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looking around he had a broken nose and he actually changed his
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exit changed like right before, right?
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When he was trying to get up and go, but the theory is just like,
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right? Normally see I'm thinking that
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that might have been Jake kind of creeping in there because
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it's like because because it's like is it was just like the
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subtle change like he was, he had marks exit one point and
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then Change to like a Boston accent, like a really Gruff
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Boston accent. Then he grabbed the little glass
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pyramid and tried to take his own eye out.
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Oh yeah. You know what I did was in
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Chicago accent? Chicago accent Chicago, it was
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Chicago yet. Well, can I do bastard?
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Had a potato chowder, chowder. Yeah but yeah, I think I think
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that that Jake that that was that was actually Jake like,
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sitting there because it just, it just kind of struck me as odd
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that he's voice changed. Like just that imperceptibly.
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And he was, he was acting again kind of belligerent but he but
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he didn't but he didn't kill anybody.
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No, he didn't. And that that's the thing.
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Like like I said, I do remember hearing that accent but I wasn't
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sure if that's exactly what I was hearing.
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I just thought it was because, you know, you have them you have
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Mark talking to dr. Harrell at the beginning and I
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think this is like right after they met Tigerettes and I think
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what we see in this episode we see them going back and forth
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between I feel like like one Consciousness and another, I
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don't know if that's correct or if it's like Well, the episode
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starts out, we get to see some of marks memories.
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Like, we see this running water, we hear a boy calling help and
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then we see a woman saying this is all your fault and then all
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of a sudden we're right back in the hallway with them screaming
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at Tower Records. And then all of a sudden, we're
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back in the psych room with Mark, and I was just like, wait,
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what, what is going on? There's like week.
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So we've had three different changes at that point and I was
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like, oh, This is going to be one of those episodes where you
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really have to pay attention. And let me just say, herro in
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this episode frustrated me. Just because it was like, and I
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know that's probably that probably isn't Harold.
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I know that that's a figment of marks imagination because right
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now we're in his mind and also he's kind of sort of dying at
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this point. So It's kind of hard to tell
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what's in his mind and and the reality or what, you know what
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might have actually been going on or what it was?
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Just well, it was confusing, it was off-putting but I think one
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thing that needs to be said, is we learn later?
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He's actually dead. He's not dying.
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He's dead. Yeah.
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Yeah. So is that?
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Yeah. And I think it was also kind of
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it was off-putting in that way. Because I feel like we're
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supposed to experience with Marcus going through like right
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now his mind is jumping. And he's trying to figure out
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what's going on. Harro is trying to tell him that
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you know this is all in your mind.
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These are things that you are using to kind of deflect was
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really going on. No, I did not shoot you and all
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this other stuff and Mark is just sitting there like, I don't
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know and then it gets to a point where Harold wants to talk to
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Steven, and then they start going back and forth.
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And I'm just sitting there watching the TV screen like, oh,
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I might have to watch episode like two more times because
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there's so much going on and I'm trying to keep up it was Oh, it
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was, it was a mentally exhausting episode to watch.
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So I can't even imagine what it was like to play this.
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One person being these these couple of characters, you know?
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Yeah, I'm telling you watching Mark having having to go through
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this emotional roller coaster, you know, basically trying to
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figure out So Tower, it is there and she's basically there to
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guide them because he got shot. He's dead.
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Like you said Anthony. And I'm about to, okay, I'ma put
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like this, I'ma let one of y'all take over because I don't want
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to screw anything up. I've only watched this episode
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once, but She's trying to get them to the field of reeds.
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Right. Right, right.
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Let's see. She goes through her her
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introduction because she's like, oh my god.
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I've never haven't had chance to test the practice this.
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Yes. Or a few cards out and she goes
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through everything and talks about the different planes of
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afterlife. Existence.
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Like she actually mentioned the afterlife plane best for black
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panther like have it like kind of offhandedly.
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So and then the quit ancestral playing.
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Yes it says something yes image CSS for playing kind of
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offhandedly and she's cells that they're going to be judged and
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She's saying first that the psych ward, the place that he
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created is his mind trying to order things in preparation for
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his journey into right. Do I yeah.
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Yeah. He's like, he's like why don't
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you pick a psych ward at Mark says because they're crazy.
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I think it's funny that she thinks that they're twins at
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first, but she's like, are you guys Twins and they're like yes,
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no, kinda sorta. And it's like they don't even
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know what to consider themselves because again, right there.
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They're able to interact with each other as individuals in
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this in this mind space. And it's weird for them because
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they're like, okay. So like are we Twins or are we
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like what? Okay.
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Yeah, so so yeah, we think so but not quite and she's like,
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oh, that really cleared it up. But I do also like that.
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She says, what was the worst use intersectional?
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She was saying that different. Yeah, different out.
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The afterlife is based on like what your culture is, and she
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said you'd be surprised at how many intersectional planes there
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are. And that's when she mentions The
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ancestral playing for black panther, which I think the Mark
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I think, is lovely. Because that kind of confirms
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that, okay. Yeah, it's not just one,
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afterlife, is not just one heaven, like, it depends on your
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culture and who Large and where you from as far as what happens
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to you after you die. - it's interesting because we saw that
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in, in some unaired podcast, we talked about American Gods,
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like, it depends on who you worship.
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Like, where that power goes and those guys claim you because
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you're the one that worship, you know, that you you as a god of
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the person that was being worshipped.
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This there is very kind of cool. Very did that, right?
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But anyway so you see marks like yeah I don't believe any of this
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like the he tries to go you tries to leave and next thing
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you know he's on the ship which they kind of hinted at in the
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last episode when he was running away from the guards and you see
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the you saw the lights kind of going back and forth and you
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heard the creaking of like the full board since stuff.
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But shout out to the visual effects guys on that like that
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looked gorgeous, like the ship sailing on the same.
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A and like man that they did they did work on that.
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That's some good CGI. Yeah that's an if it's welcome
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want to see I think he also if you remember when he got fired
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from the museum I think the suggestion was planted in him
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about going to a psychiatric hospital by the got it fired him
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because when he showed him the pamphlet and told him, a be
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honest with you, through get some help.
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Yeah. Was that guy also, one of the
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patients in the hospital. It could have been, I wasn't, I
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didn't save it. I didn't do any Freeze Frame, so
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I don't know. But I do guys office looks like
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the same room where he first found his Jackal with with
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what's-her-name before he got thrown out of the window.
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Oh, okay, Layla. Yeah, yeah.
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That. That's the same room.
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I didn't notice that. So yeah, so they're on a boat.
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Ruin the bow. And, you know, Steven is, of
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course, kind of schooling. Mark on what's going on.
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As far as, you know, them going to the field of reeds and Tower.
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It is like, well, you know, if your hearts balancing life and
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you'll spend eternity in Paradise, but if it's not, yeah,
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you're gonna, you're gonna go into the Sands and that's it.
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But when she, when she reached into their chest and pulled out
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those little stone hearts, I was like, what the hell's he doing?
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How's that? Oh, Okay, they're still alive.
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Now kids that kind of she's like oh good you guys didn't explode
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this time. I was like, right?
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That's a possibility like that. Even the choice.
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Like wait, right. You told me that before like
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knows that hippo? I know, right Steven asks is
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it's just a student, right? So basically she tells them
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about the scales and how if they're how it judges them bases
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on based on, who they were in life.
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And she says, if the scales balanced, before we reach the
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end of our journey. Thank you.
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Go to paradise. You go to the field of reeds.
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But if they don't, then the what did she say?
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The the undead will drag you down into the duat and you'll
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kind of remain there forever. You know, no unbalanced Souls on
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my boat. So, you know, and she's got a
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funny too because she's like nah, nah, no unbalanced, Souls
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on my boat, fingers crossed for you guys.
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I was like, wait a minute, like first of all you but she really
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was gonna help but she was like, well, good luck, right?
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And then Mark of Mark sitting there talking about.
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Oh, okay, so this is what we're going to do.
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We're going to kill the hippo, we're going to steal the boat,
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it seems like for real kill like for real Tower.
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It we're just going to kill her. The only if she don't lie, she a
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goddess. She's a fucking hippo.
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You have no weapons. How are you going to kill her?
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I actually laughed for a full five minutes because I'm going
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this fool, okay? Do not you.
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You have no weapons and she is. She's she's a on top of being a
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goddess where she could probably just blink you out of existence
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or so. He went to the Saiyans.
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She's a hippopotamus. Hippopotamuses kill people,
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right? Another great Euler, just for be
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filled. Fall everything because because
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they're basically blind and so everything that they see in the
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mighty will use is a threat and they and they were and they run
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like 35 40 miles an hour. Yeah.
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It's like they're basically little little small killer buses
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even though they're adorable as as babies and I want one.
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But that's not Ambience. A purple yam.
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Want one. You think you want one?
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I want to be. No, just go.
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Just go get a stuff when I'm sure there's gonna be like a
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stuffed. Our rent.
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Some I do Do want. I told you, I do want one.
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Yeah, I'll tell you. I was ever since I saw Fiona the
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hippo, like, it's just nice to, like, they've been following her
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ever since she was a little baby, and she was just so
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squishy and adorable. I was like, I want one, thank
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now. Yeah, I saw a video where they
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were feeding hippos, and they were tossing them, pumpkins, and
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watermelons. And there was like, I mean, they
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were like, marshmallow in their mouth, so, no, I'm not, okay.
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We're not seen as soon a video. I read a story about a man who
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raised the hippo like from baby and that things still turn
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around and kill them. Absolutely not.
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No murder buses, buses with teeth and they swim
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We're going to stick with the, the talking hippo, with the
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squeaky voice. When on this, this this boat
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that may or may not be in marks mine.
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Oh my God, right? But she's, you know, she's
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balancing their hearts on the scales against the feather, and
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of course, the scales aren't balancing is kind of like
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wavering, but it won't stick. And she's like, why is it doing
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that? I've never seen it do that
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before. She's like, I don't have a car.
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She's like, I don't have a car for this.
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And I mean, I'm not surprised because even when Hera was
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trying to judge Mark, the scales wouldn't balance, you know, they
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were kind of chaotic, so I'm not surprised that they didn't
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bounce here. And she tells them, she was
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like, your your hearts are not full and if they remain that
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way, then the duat is going to claim you anyway.
00:23:34
You know, I think is unfair even my heart.
00:23:37
Sir part is balanced or not, if it's in between you just can't
00:23:41
throw me off into like You know, you can say is he still that
00:23:46
balanced? There's no gray area in.
00:23:48
Don't do the same to see the black and white.
00:23:50
You be a balance the eighth, right?
00:23:53
I mean you saw Harold Harold and Care Harold like if you're if
00:23:56
you're unbalanced, did you die? If your balance?
00:23:58
Then you're fine. It's like that's what got him in
00:24:01
trouble with that because the skills just can go on like this.
00:24:03
He was like, what the fuck is this shit?
00:24:06
What's wrong with you? But it's like is because his
00:24:08
whole mind is chaos right now. So it's like he can't be
00:24:11
balanced because he's paying is chaos.
00:24:14
He's the embodiment of chaos. So he's never going to really be
00:24:16
bouncing, unless something happens drastic, which we'll get
00:24:19
to, yeah, because that's what she basically tells him.
00:24:22
She's like look, this boat is full of your memories.
00:24:24
You need to get in there and show each other the truth.
00:24:27
She was like balance the scales. Before we reach our destination
00:24:31
or your souls will be down pretty much you know.
00:24:35
And they have to do some scary stuff.
00:24:38
Some scary shit like the people, like reaching from the sand and
00:24:42
shit. Like He'll do it again mommy
00:24:46
Vibes. Yeah yeah.
00:24:48
Like nah man, it's like that shit.
00:24:51
This is like do ya Disney stepping clear into having like
00:24:56
more for more scary? Shit.
00:24:59
As far as Marvel Davila, a Marvel do a little bit more with
00:25:02
each stroke. Like, you know, they get more
00:25:05
and more into it says things like, I mean, even when they put
00:25:08
doctor, the next Doctor Strange up, that's going to be a, you a
00:25:11
step even further. So it Plus they put Deadpool to
00:25:14
up so they already got a Rated-R thing up, so it's like they're
00:25:18
just they're recognizing that. Marvel is like, it's basically
00:25:21
printing money. So they're like, all right, if I
00:25:23
would have wanted, that's what I do.
00:25:27
Like, I had fun. What did, what does, what does
00:25:29
make fake one spot for mature audiences only and the rest for
00:25:33
everybody else and they can do whatever they want over there
00:25:36
and keep giving us money. That's all they want to do.
00:25:39
But also I feel like Especially the more complicated these
00:25:43
stories get because that's what we've been saying space for is
00:25:46
nothing but complicated stories, like even more complicated than
00:25:49
what we've seen. I think you kind of have to go
00:25:53
with a higher rating you know? Because because of the Because
00:26:00
of the things that we're dealing with, I think I'm not sure if
00:26:06
I'm not sure if a kid will be able to watch Moonlight and kind
00:26:09
of understand the intricacies between these characters and
00:26:13
what they're having to deal with and I just don't know if most
00:26:17
children would be prepared for that.
00:26:20
I'm Lydia, I don't think Not only would they not understand
00:26:24
that would they would, they would get the get the white
00:26:26
sheets out of the linen, closet and stand on the roof at night,
00:26:30
time and jump and their parents would be like, what the fuck is
00:26:33
that? I'm, oh my God.
00:26:36
Because I am not saying that I did, I have done certain things
00:26:40
like this or that certain members of my family have done,
00:26:43
things like that, but it can happen.
00:26:46
That that's what I'm saying is, I've never jumped off the roof.
00:26:49
I have jumped off a second. Second Story porch.
00:26:53
Yeah, pretended to be one woman but I've never like jumped off a
00:26:57
roof. I can neither confirm nor deny
00:27:00
that I've cleared a few steps in my day.
00:27:02
Trying to be Evel, Knievel, but that's a whole nother story.
00:27:06
But yeah, I agree with you. The more complicated is
00:27:08
physically going to tune out anyway, they're going to be like
00:27:10
that. I want to watch this, can I
00:27:12
watch something else? They don't just want to change
00:27:14
it, the Beauty and the Beast or some shit.
00:27:15
This thing stretch. But I think it's interesting
00:27:20
that you know, as they're going through the hospital Mark, at
00:27:26
this point he's just like there's two of us, there's one
00:27:28
of her, we can just go ahead and kill her and Stephen is like
00:27:31
you're talking about killing the goddess Tower.
00:27:33
Read like why don't Just do what she says.
00:27:37
And Mark says, well, I don't know about you, Stephen, but my
00:27:39
memories are kind of a mess. And Steven appears that this
00:27:43
door and he sees when Moonlight was beating up the Jackal.
00:27:48
He was like, yeah, mines are too.
00:27:50
And I find it so interesting that especially with everything
00:27:53
that we find out in the course of the episode.
00:27:56
It's almost like Mark is scared to let Stephen into his memories
00:28:01
because Stephen is supposed to be the safe space.
00:28:05
Case, you know, Steven is not supposed to know about all of
00:28:09
the bad stuff and watching this episode, I really understood
00:28:12
that was also why he kept trying to pull Stephen back in and gain
00:28:17
control. Because this is the stuff,
00:28:19
Steven is not supposed to deal with, you know, Steven is
00:28:22
supposed to stay safe and happy and believe that all things are
00:28:26
good. Just like the whole thing with
00:28:28
him, calling his mom every day and leaving a voicemail on, you
00:28:30
know, leaving a message on her voice mail.
00:28:33
Steven didn't realize that Mom was there and Mark was trying to
00:28:37
do. Keep it, keep all of that from
00:28:40
him because some part and I'm guessing there had to have been
00:28:44
a part of her during their childhood who wasn't always mean
00:28:50
and nasty to mark, it would. And it happened to be those
00:28:53
times when he was Stephen made, you know?
00:28:56
Because even learning even listening to them and sing their
00:29:02
kind of Recollections of shared experiences.
00:29:06
Steven has nothing but I won't even say good memories but he
00:29:10
does not remember Mom in a bad light.
00:29:12
So when he sees those memories, it's jarring for him because
00:29:17
he's like this is not our mother.
00:29:20
Who is this? This is not right.
00:29:22
You're remembering things wrong and that was that was the really
00:29:26
heartbreaking part to watch because At this point.
00:29:31
Now, Mark has nowhere to, he has nothing to make him feel safe,
00:29:37
nothing to kind of leave, all of that, horribleness behind, like
00:29:40
this episode, he really has to confront his demons and he has
00:29:44
to let Steven know what these demons are.
00:29:49
I think so that they can be balanced because you can't.
00:29:53
I mean, it's just like any kind of relationship.
00:29:55
You can't have a full and functional and trusting.
00:29:59
If you're keeping secrets from the other party, it's the same
00:30:03
thing with this. You know, except this is just,
00:30:07
this is literally a part of yourself that you are kind of
00:30:09
separated from everything else and it's what's causing all the
00:30:13
chaos and it's what's called its kind of what caused the break.
00:30:16
Once mom died, you know, Stevens I mean Mark was like, oh, I
00:30:20
can't deal with this, I'm not dealing with this, Steven has no
00:30:24
clue, he's still just okay. I'm just gonna go about my
00:30:27
married life and, and do my happy.
00:30:29
See things and, you know, call Mom every day.
00:30:33
I'm also starting to think that it was, once that he had, once
00:30:37
he had this break, that Stephen started working at the Museum
00:30:41
and that's why he was able to like, keep that job and actually
00:30:45
get people to know him. And just every once in a while,
00:30:48
Mark will come out. But I think that was probably
00:30:51
when Stephen started to build a life, you know what I'm saying?
00:30:55
Yeah, I could agree with that and, and, you know, him, I mean,
00:30:59
He was giving off like Vibes. You just gonna buy full time
00:31:03
that he really didn't want, Mark didn't want Steven to dig any
00:31:07
deeper than you already did. I mean, just like he was really
00:31:10
too willing to risk being thrown into the Sands, by Tower it,
00:31:16
other than confronting his demons and and trying to get
00:31:20
some, get some closure and acceptance of what he's done.
00:31:23
I mean, that says a lot about him, like he just can't, he
00:31:26
can't in his mind put it together like He can't say that.
00:31:31
Well, I need to like I have all the stuff that I've done but I'm
00:31:34
not ready to confront it yet. So I mean if I got it that
00:31:38
fucking I'm never going to maybe he met me.
00:31:40
He probably said that he was going to take a lot of stuff
00:31:43
that happened to his grave like he didn't.
00:31:45
He was never go to especially stuff about his brother.
00:31:48
I wouldn't have many, I wouldn't want to talk about any of that
00:31:50
especially with someone who is me and doesn't remember any of
00:31:56
it. It's like why would I put myself
00:31:58
through that again? Like I don't want to do that.
00:32:01
So yeah, I'll Take It To My Grave.
00:32:02
Just let me say in a bit. I mean, I'm I understand.
00:32:06
But as but it's just like with anything.
00:32:09
It's like you have to kind of put everything together and
00:32:14
accept it or it's just going to just Fester inside you and not
00:32:19
be good. So he just gave you just has to
00:32:21
face the music. There's no really, no other
00:32:23
choice. He's also possible.
00:32:26
We don't have a lot of information about His mother.
00:32:31
But usually in these circumstances, mom, already
00:32:35
probably had some issues and she had her break when she lost the
00:32:41
younger. Son.
00:32:42
And he probably exacerbated the things that she already was
00:32:46
dealing with in her own self. And so he probably did have to
00:32:52
create a way to deal with her on his own, because obviously Dad
00:32:57
wasn't really helping the situation either.
00:33:00
So, you're right, it's possible that that Stephen was the
00:33:04
personality that always saw the good, and I wouldn't be
00:33:07
surprised if he created Jake to defend himself against her, you
00:33:13
know, the worst of her, right? Because we did see him, one of
00:33:17
the memories. That one point, she she got
00:33:19
physically abusive or that was the, that was the initial
00:33:22
assumption. Yeah, yeah.
00:33:24
So and I'm sure that bad sometimes, maybe he thought
00:33:29
Stephen was built. Or maybe either with a little
00:33:33
bit but I'm sure Jake probably took the created Jake to take
00:33:36
the brunt of all of her you know, anger against him a way of
00:33:42
just to be able to deal with it. Yeah but I still feel like at
00:33:45
this point even with what we saying, I feel like he's still
00:33:48
not fully aware of Jake. No, I still think it's a
00:33:52
subconscious thing. Like he's not he's not
00:33:55
consciously aware of Jake because that that is how He
00:34:00
completely does not want to deal with that aspect of his mother
00:34:04
at all. If he had knowledge of Jacob
00:34:07
members, he would remember how painful it was to have to be,
00:34:11
you know, physically and verbally abused, right?
00:34:15
And then, like you said this, why he created Steve.
00:34:18
So, he Stevens, we didn't have to think about that.
00:34:20
Steven doesn't have to think about that or deal with that
00:34:24
area with the loss of his brother or deal with loss of a
00:34:27
brother. Yep.
00:34:30
But so we're seeing in this also seen earlier about how they're
00:34:34
showing how these, the fracturing of a person's mind
00:34:39
happens in order to protect themselves.
00:34:42
So he did all this to protect himself from all those terrible
00:34:46
memories and feelings, right? And yeah.
00:34:50
And that's why he doesn't want Steven to see any of this.
00:34:53
He just wants to even to seems because that would that would
00:34:57
destroy the illusion of why he created Steve.
00:35:03
The other thing too, is watching them.
00:35:06
Go through this hallway and looking at these memories.
00:35:09
Like, we've always assumed that Stephen was not really aware of
00:35:13
what was going on with Mark. Like, when Mark was in control,
00:35:16
Steven had no idea what was going on on the outside.
00:35:19
And I think in the last couple of episodes, we kind of assume
00:35:22
that Mark had an idea of what was going on with Steven with
00:35:26
Steven was in control. But then when he looks at the
00:35:29
memory of Stephen and khonshu turning back the night sky, he's
00:35:35
looking at this in all, like he's never seen it before.
00:35:39
So I think there are certain times when he is completely
00:35:42
disconnected and dormant You know why Stephen is in control?
00:35:46
Because he's looking at that. He was like, wow, that's
00:35:49
awesome. Like, that's so cool.
00:35:52
And then Stephen goes over and I think the way it looks like it
00:35:57
looks like marks episodes are on the right side of the hallway
00:36:01
and Stevens episodes are on the left side of the hallway because
00:36:04
they keep zigzagging and now they zigzags and Stephen sees
00:36:10
mark on the side of the street. And he was like, what is this?
00:36:15
And marks like what? So we're going to we're going to
00:36:17
review every single memory we've had and that's what that was
00:36:21
like. Oh yeah, that's that's Mark kind
00:36:23
of deflecting and trying not to let Stephen n.
00:36:27
Because Stephen is like, what is this?
00:36:29
Do you remember this? He was like, look, it's just a
00:36:31
street. Okay.
00:36:32
It's just a street. He's like, oh okay, so whatever,
00:36:37
and then they hear, I think they hear some commotion and Stephen
00:36:41
runs into another room and it's a room full.
00:36:45
Full of dead people. Or specifically people that
00:36:52
Marcus killed. So it was.
00:36:58
And, you know, the funny thing is when they come in and they
00:37:01
look, you're like, oh, I guess we know whose room.
00:37:05
This is, well, whose memory this is.
00:37:08
And yes, all these people that Marcus killed like, he's looking
00:37:12
at them and he's naming where he kills him.
00:37:16
So he remembers everyone that he's killed.
00:37:20
And there's also the scales in there.
00:37:22
The scales are still doing is teetering.
00:37:25
Bang. So Steven starts asking him.
00:37:27
He was like so you actually know these people that he looks
00:37:31
around after the sheer number in the room and he was like Not all
00:37:36
of them. Don't tell me that you killed
00:37:37
all of them. And then this is when Mark tells
00:37:39
him, he was like, but all of these they were murderers.
00:37:42
They were rapists. They were, you know, they were
00:37:44
the baddest of the bad khonshu wanted them punished.
00:37:48
And so, that's what I did. And Stephen is like, in you
00:37:51
remember them all? Mars like you, you take a life
00:37:53
and tell me how, how fast you forget.
00:37:56
It was like I remember them all. I even remember, I think he said
00:38:00
he kept wishing that he fell, you know, and one of them would
00:38:04
kill him so that he wouldn't have to keep doing it.
00:38:08
And you know, the scale looks like you're starting to slow, so
00:38:13
it seems as though the more Mark is revealing about himself to
00:38:19
Stephen that they're you know, the scales are starting to
00:38:22
balance there and and then there's this little kid that
00:38:26
comes running in. And Steven is trying to figure
00:38:29
out he was like Mark why is there a child in a room filled
00:38:34
with all the people you've killed and Mark is like, yeah
00:38:37
don't Don't Go Near him, Don't Go Near him and I was sitting
00:38:39
here like why is there a child in there?
00:38:42
And then the more that Mark tried to keep Stephen from
00:38:46
following him I was like oh wait this is not good.
00:38:52
I said they has to be a sibling and he has to be responsible for
00:38:55
how he died. I didn't think that he killed
00:38:57
him out. Outright or anything like that.
00:38:59
Like, I know he's a killer basically a killer for hire for
00:39:04
khonshu but some somehow that just doesn't seem to me like con
00:39:09
shoes, you know agenda. But you know khonshu is focused
00:39:15
on punishing the wicked for Deeds that they have done.
00:39:19
So I don't think there's no reason for khonshu to send his
00:39:23
assassin against a five or six year old.
00:39:25
I don't think there's anything that he could have done.
00:39:28
That was that bad? So At that point I was like oh
00:39:32
this is the this is the trauma that starts at all.
00:39:35
That's just how I read it. Like oh, okay.
00:39:38
So this has to be someone from his his childhood, a brother and
00:39:45
something happened. And I you know and I having to
00:39:49
watch him go through these memories, that was the painful
00:39:54
part because Stephen goes, and he sees like and at this point,
00:39:58
my mom is Happy mom. Cooking on the grill and the
00:40:01
boys are coloring or playing and you see Mark just sitting
00:40:07
outside the room, banging his head on the window?
00:40:10
Like don't do this, don't do this and I was like I pause it
00:40:13
at that point. I was like, hold up, I don't
00:40:15
think I'm ready for this. I don't think I'm ready for
00:40:17
this. I didn't expect it to be as bad
00:40:19
as it was, but it was it also wasn't It wasn't as worse as I
00:40:26
imagined it because I thought that his brother like just got
00:40:29
out right killed and that was one of the reasons why Mark
00:40:32
became a mercenary or something. So at least it wasn't that bad
00:40:36
but still it's kind of like you know you going to play with your
00:40:41
brother and some caves and Mom is telling you hey you know keep
00:40:46
an eye on your brother, be careful and when they get to
00:40:50
these caves that they I guess they playing a lot.
00:40:54
The caves chance of flood if it starts to rain and the little
00:40:58
brother Randall says, hey, we can't, we can't go in, you know,
00:41:03
it's going to flood and Marcus like, it'll be okay.
00:41:09
And I was just like This is like the part in the show where, you
00:41:14
know, we've been making the mummy comparisons where it's
00:41:16
like, don't read the book, don't do this, don't do that.
00:41:20
And it's just really like, don't filter the case Mike.
00:41:27
Which one emotion. Yes, emotional damage.
00:41:31
I mean, I kind of I'm looking at this and I'm like I was trying
00:41:36
to remember if they said that they were going to go play in
00:41:38
the caves or if they were just going to go play.
00:41:41
I think they just said they were going to go play because I was
00:41:43
saying why are? Why did his parents say don't go
00:41:47
playing the case. We can really eat your ass over
00:41:49
here or don't go play in the caves because it's going to rain
00:41:53
and it's dangerous. He just told her, she just told
00:41:56
him to why look after him and it's like, I felt bad.
00:42:01
I mean. Yeah, Mark Mark and said don't
00:42:05
quit being a baby and to go ahead and explore it.
00:42:08
But it's like he's still a child.
00:42:10
It's like he does the child children, explore when they're
00:42:13
things like that. If there were things there was a
00:42:15
cave like that by my house, I'd be all up in it to me.
00:42:18
It's like when I was a child, but the other thing too, I think
00:42:21
is when you're that young, Children.
00:42:26
Have a sense of invincibility. They don't think anything can
00:42:29
hurt them. They don't think anything bad
00:42:31
can happen, you know? And I'm sure Mark really thought
00:42:35
that it wasn't going to be as serious because I'm you know if
00:42:38
they found that cave as quickly as they did, I'm going to assume
00:42:41
that they play in. They're probably quite a bit.
00:42:45
So even mom and dad probably knew, that's where they were
00:42:49
going to go play. But I mean, think about she was
00:42:51
outside on the grill, it was sunny, they probably didn't
00:42:54
expect a train and then they go into the tongue.
00:42:58
They go into the cave and it starts raining And if that water
00:43:03
rises that quickly there's probably nothing they could have
00:43:07
done, you know. And it's just it's so sad
00:43:12
because Stevens following them and Mark is on the outside.
00:43:17
Still in the hallway, he's following them through the
00:43:19
doors, but you can tell this is not something he wants to do.
00:43:22
Like, he doesn't want to follow, but he has to because he kind of
00:43:24
knows where it's going anyway. And when the kids are going into
00:43:29
the cave, Stephen steps on the bones of a bird and it looks
00:43:36
like khonshu. And I was just like I just kind
00:43:40
of wondered, I was like, so is that signaling that khonshu had
00:43:44
his eye on Mark that whole time if I'm not mistaken in the comic
00:43:49
books? I think he did.
00:43:51
Okay. That's been.
00:43:55
And that's that that's tragic in and of itself it is because then
00:44:00
at some point I kind of Wonder like, I don't, I don't know the
00:44:04
powers of khonshu and what he can, and what he can't do, and
00:44:07
what he can and can't allow. But if that's the case I kind of
00:44:10
almost feel like that he he kind of influenced the way marks life
00:44:18
went he manipulated events. Yeah like I don't I don't know
00:44:25
if I want to say that he was responsible for Randall's dying.
00:44:30
But everything that happened after that, with marks mom and
00:44:35
him, you know, get into the point where he's abused so much,
00:44:39
he actually fractures his mind. And then for it to go on, I
00:44:43
mean, he was so young, he was like, maybe nine ten and when
00:44:48
this happened. So to think about how long he's
00:44:50
had to deal with that and then if khonshu was really
00:44:54
responsible for that like oh he just grabbed Harrell until his
00:44:58
real Avatar was available. And it it kind of makes you
00:45:03
wonder like all of these things that happens, this thing, you
00:45:06
know, Marc got shot and almost killed trying to.
00:45:11
You know, defend or working with the, the other mercenary who
00:45:16
killed Layla's, father, and he did this in an area where he
00:45:21
knew mark would be able to crawl to him and he could offer Mark,
00:45:25
the help and then you put Layla in his life.
00:45:29
Especially considering Mark thinks that construe once Leila,
00:45:33
he's already threatened him with that as well.
00:45:35
It's just kind of like how how far into this is conscious.
00:45:41
Like how much of this is he responsible for?
00:45:45
And then I would say a great deal of it.
00:45:48
I mean and then that kind of negates his whole thing because
00:45:51
if you, if your purpose is to punish people for the evil, they
00:45:56
have done, It's almost like you chose mark from right before the
00:46:02
having this kind of like you you sort of did what I meant.
00:46:05
Does she judges people before the evil happens?
00:46:09
You know, that birthday? That's, that's the point.
00:46:12
I mean that's that's the whole issue with khonshu is what he's
00:46:17
doing is just as bad as where I'm at is doing.
00:46:22
Yeah. Because that means that he did
00:46:25
the same thing to March. Yeah.
00:46:27
Who knows what he did. You to Harrow before he got
00:46:31
here. Hmm.
00:46:32
And see now that that does make me a little more curious about
00:46:36
the background between him and Harold, because I think we know
00:46:40
a little bit about Harold being conscious Avatar, but we don't
00:46:45
know the story like what was going on in your life that you
00:46:49
agree to be conscious Avatar and then what happened for that
00:46:54
symbiotic, relationship to end and then for you to turn around
00:46:57
and go to another God, Be like hey I'll be your avatar now.
00:47:01
Like are you just searching for avatars to kind of I don't know
00:47:05
fix your life or I don't know, I just want to know what that is
00:47:10
for Hera. Like what what's wrong with you?
00:47:13
That this is the path you chose and you'll have you ever have
00:47:18
you ever thought that maybe he was cast out?
00:47:21
Like, I want you instead of him leaving?
00:47:24
Maybe? See that country.
00:47:25
I don't know. I thought about it.
00:47:27
I think I voice that a couple episodes ago but yeah, we don't
00:47:30
know. Yeah because it will usually
00:47:33
when you seek Can a different Avatar?
00:47:36
Something popped off with you. And said, I have a charge and
00:47:38
for, you know, I'm guessing it Anthony, you know, Anthony was
00:47:41
the one who said that Harold, probably was the one who severed
00:47:47
that relationship. Because if he was doing a great
00:47:49
job for construe, I work on should get rid of him.
00:47:52
Yeah. Well, you could be a number of
00:47:54
things, but yeah, I really feel that.
00:47:59
Yeah. But anyway, so we see what
00:48:03
happens. You know, Stephen is going into
00:48:06
the cave and he's trying to get the boys out and, of course,
00:48:09
they can't hear him. They can't hear.
00:48:12
But afterwards, while Stephen is, I meanwhile, Mark is trying
00:48:17
to find Stephen. He goes to one of the rooms and
00:48:20
his mother is standing there with this hateful, look on her
00:48:24
face. And at this point I was like,
00:48:28
yeah, this is about to take a bath term because you see Mark
00:48:32
starting to lose it. He's like it's just a memory is
00:48:35
just a memory. It's just a memory.
00:48:37
And then when he turns to look is it's the the funeral of the
00:48:42
or the, you know, after the funeral.
00:48:44
And I was just like, I felt so bad.
00:48:48
But then when he came downstairs, And she started
00:48:52
Railing at him. I was like okay and in some ways
00:49:00
I can kind of understand that irrational anger because at that
00:49:04
point you're looking for someone to blame, you know what I'm
00:49:08
saying and it doesn't matter if it's your other child or another
00:49:12
adult. You're looking for someone to
00:49:14
blame and Mark just happens to come downstairs and he was the
00:49:18
one that was with him, you know? And we don't, we don't know what
00:49:22
happened, I mean. Randall, didn't make it but Mark
00:49:26
did, how does that happen was? Mark able to get himself to
00:49:30
safety and was unable to pull roundel up?
00:49:33
Was it just that they were stuck and Randall shorter?
00:49:36
So he ended up just like, we don't know exactly what
00:49:38
happened. We just know Randall is gone and
00:49:41
Marcus left behind and so he has to Bear the brunt of his
00:49:46
mother's Wrath. And again this happens at such a
00:49:50
young age, so he has to go through this for years. and I'm
00:49:58
just, You want to have sympathy for the mom, you really do.
00:50:05
But at the same time, the way you treat your child is so
00:50:12
reprehensible. The way she looks at him, the
00:50:16
way she yells at him and there's people there in the house.
00:50:21
I was just like, I couldn't and you seem like reacting to it.
00:50:29
Yeah, I know that was the sad thing because Steven is trying
00:50:32
to figure out what's going on. And Mark it up.
00:50:36
Like I said, Mark is the one that's that's reacting to it.
00:50:41
Yeah, even like, rescues me, Steven is the one that's
00:50:43
reacting to it because Stephen has never seen this side of his
00:50:46
mother before. And Marcus and tell him Steven
00:50:49
come back Steven, come back. And Stephen is he's following
00:50:54
the breadcrumbs, trying to figure out what's, what else is
00:50:57
going on and then you have him celebrating his what 2468 his
00:51:01
10th birthday. I'm counting the candles on the
00:51:03
cake. And it's just him and dad and
00:51:06
mom doesn't come down, you know? And and the dad I don't know how
00:51:12
I feel about his dad. Because his dad is very passive.
00:51:21
Like he makes excuses for her. Which again, I understand.
00:51:26
She's going through grief. She's dealing with trauma.
00:51:29
She just lost her child. So I understand that but quickly
00:51:35
see she wasn't as powerful as Wanda, she would have torn the
00:51:38
whole planet apart, right? But I mean, just the fact that
00:51:45
he For lack of better words. He allowed it to go on, he
00:51:52
didn't stop it. He didn't try to get her help.
00:51:56
At least as far as we can see. You know, we see him celebrating
00:51:59
his 12th birthday and Mom is coming over with alcohol, in
00:52:03
hand, and she starts being nasty to him.
00:52:06
You were always jealous of him, you know, laughing ever since he
00:52:10
was born. And, I mean, she's sitting there
00:52:13
talking to her child, like this on his birthday.
00:52:15
She has no remorse, she doesn't And what is that doing?
00:52:19
That is not doing anything. Like she literally all, but
00:52:23
accuses him of killing him, I should have known.
00:52:26
You would do something like this who says something like that to
00:52:29
their child. Yeah, she was, I mean, she was
00:52:33
deep in her in her grief. I mean, it's like the tone of
00:52:39
her voice when she was yelling at him, like telling him that it
00:52:42
was all his fault. And it's like, she just, I don't
00:52:45
think she I'm not even sure that she knew who she was really
00:52:51
talking to. Like, I don't think she, I think
00:52:53
it's like she knew she forgot this to was talking to a child
00:52:56
that she thought she was talking to someone older.
00:52:58
No, I don't think that was the case.
00:53:01
I think the reason I say that is because this like, just like, I
00:53:08
mean, the way that he like, like just ran up the stairs and then
00:53:14
they focus on him and his birthday and he I mean, the
00:53:19
things that he was going through is like, Nick, are you in?
00:53:22
For course, no. Child should ever go through
00:53:24
that. That's just, that's just
00:53:25
horrible to go through. But it's like, I'm, I was almost
00:53:30
under the impression after watching it for a second time,
00:53:33
that that maybe she was under conscious influence, that he was
00:53:37
really, like trying to Edge him towards, where he wanted him to
00:53:41
go. See, I was thinking, I was just
00:53:44
thinking, man, she, she had that.
00:53:48
That was when I started thinking, that there was
00:53:50
probably something wrong with her.
00:53:52
As far as her mental health, even before Randall, died, and
00:53:58
then random it looks like she was an alcoholic.
00:54:01
You have a Randall was a trigger for whatever, you know, not just
00:54:05
to trigger been exacerbated, whatever she had already because
00:54:11
her reaction to Dip in RC directed, all of that anger
00:54:17
towards Mark. It's not right?
00:54:19
Really. Usually people that already have
00:54:21
mental health problems would do something like that.
00:54:24
This? Why I think she already had some
00:54:26
issues. I didn't think cause she had
00:54:30
anything to do. I think maybe he manipulated the
00:54:33
previous situation, but, and he may have known or he he seems to
00:54:39
have a sense of people who have something wrong with them.
00:54:42
Yeah, Yeah, so that could be why he targeted his family because
00:54:45
he knew that pieces in the right place, and Mom will be like this
00:54:51
and do this to him and maybe cause him to have problems too.
00:54:56
So he's trying to break him younger.
00:54:58
Like he's really started out young with this one.
00:55:02
Like maybe he realized looking at hero was good but hair was
00:55:05
old and what was wrong with him. I can really use that the way I
00:55:08
wanted to, but with Mark, if I can break him, Here and have
00:55:14
him. The way I want them to have from
00:55:15
being the I'll be golden which is how it worked out.
00:55:19
Yeah, I can see that, but it's like poor Mark, and then it's
00:55:23
like then worked in. Let him go into the other room
00:55:26
and they went out into the street and it's like I feel bad
00:55:29
for his dad because his dad was a rabbi and he had to deal with
00:55:33
not only questions from his congregation about what happened
00:55:37
with his wife. Like what happened with the
00:55:39
children than they see his wife like having issues in What's
00:55:43
wrong with her? And it's like, then he's dealing
00:55:45
with his son being neglected by his wife and all this has to be,
00:55:50
has to be a really big big test of his faith.
00:55:54
Like, and if you mean, you kind of have the guys probably like,
00:56:00
you know, then this is like the trial of job for him.
00:56:03
It's like what else can, what else can go wrong?
00:56:06
But the thing I could do that. he's so, He's a weak man.
00:56:14
I'm sorry. I had to say he's a weak man,
00:56:16
like even even in this memory when they're looking and they're
00:56:21
seeing a teenage Mark, leaving in his father's pleading with
00:56:25
him. No, don't go.
00:56:27
Please stay, we'll fix this. And, and Mark says to him,
00:56:29
you're supposed to fix this. Why haven't you?
00:56:33
Well, that's how the comic book is written because of the comic
00:56:35
book. His father is is written that
00:56:37
way where his father is very, you know, more concerned about
00:56:41
everything else that he thinks that Yeah, Marcus just going to
00:56:44
fix himself and deal with him being a rabbi.
00:56:47
He owes, I believe is also a lawyer and so he was more
00:56:51
concerned about everything else except for inside the house.
00:56:54
So they're following It Right Down the Line.
00:56:56
The Way It Was Written in the comic book.
00:56:58
Yeah. But what I'm saying is we,
00:56:59
regardless of if they're following the comic book or not,
00:57:02
I'm talking about just his character just how he's written
00:57:06
period. Like yeah.
00:57:09
Yeah, I agree. He's saying the thing about, you
00:57:12
know, don't leave. I can't lose another son but you
00:57:16
haven't been protecting this other son.
00:57:18
All of these years at this point it had to have been 10 years at
00:57:22
least 10 years. Mark, looks like an older
00:57:25
teenager leaving home and his dad is done.
00:57:30
Nothing. Nothing.
00:57:34
And you know, it's just it's so sad because again, mark it Mark
00:57:39
his recollection of all of this happening.
00:57:42
Like these are his memories were going through and Steven is
00:57:45
falling apart because he has no clue about any of this.
00:57:49
He's, you know, mad at Mark. He's like, why are you
00:57:53
remembering her this way? She wasn't like this.
00:57:57
And Mark is just steady trying to keep him from going through
00:58:00
the rest of the memories. He pushes them out and they're
00:58:03
literally in the sands. And I was just like, no, this is
00:58:09
not going to end well. They're in the door and and the
00:58:13
boat and the boat had crashed to heading it.
00:58:17
This should be crashed. I don't think I know that wasn't
00:58:21
that wasn't no no no this is so this is this is before.
00:58:24
Yeah this is that. That was the yeah that was
00:58:27
Leila's dad. Do they ask their got killed?
00:58:32
So of course we get to see marks superhero origin story.
00:58:39
Now we'll say this, I've seen a All from the comics with con
00:58:43
shoes. His statue and Mark at the base
00:58:47
of It kind of bleeding out and I was like, oh they it's almost
00:58:51
like they were like okay this is like they were copying.
00:58:54
Okay? This is where yeah, do they
00:58:56
think I really, really accurate with that.
00:58:59
It was there pretty spot-on. Yeah.
00:59:01
And it's like, I mean that and then you see like the depths to
00:59:06
which consumers really manipulate, like he was being
00:59:09
really like almost like A con man.
00:59:12
It's like, he was like, a snake oil salesman just like I could
00:59:15
save your life. Well, you gotta do what I gotta
00:59:17
do, is do what I say. And just like, just say, yes.
00:59:21
He's like, just basically basically just sign on the
00:59:23
dotted line and I'll take care of it.
00:59:25
And it's like and then Stephen saw it and he was just like,
00:59:28
wow, he really really fuck with you as I think it's the first
00:59:32
time he realized that. Wow, so you really did kind of
00:59:36
write something you probably you probably kind of realized that
00:59:40
but you just The Depths to which he went today to actually get,
00:59:45
get Mark to read all that. Yeah, because Mark the like he
00:59:49
was dying likely young. He should be dead.
00:59:53
Dead dead. There was blood everywhere.
00:59:56
And, of course, you know, he was talking about how he tried to
00:59:58
save everyone and it didn't work and then he tries to kill
01:00:01
himself or he gets ready to kill himself and that's when khonshu
01:00:07
Convenient. What's a waste?
01:00:12
I was like, yeah, first of all I was surprised that Mark didn't
01:00:16
just think that he was just crazy and hearing voices and
01:00:18
continued on with what he was doing because he's looking
01:00:21
around like Bill said, yeah, I mean that's literally what
01:00:25
anyone else would have done. It's like yours somewhere by
01:00:28
yourself. You're a kill yourself.
01:00:30
You hear someone say, What's a, what's a waste?
01:00:32
And you're like here you're not immediately like what the fuck?
01:00:35
What the hell? Am I getting the fuck out of
01:00:37
here? Like I don't know.
01:00:39
I would have been gone. I mean, yeah, he was at this
01:00:45
point. He already Steven it already
01:00:47
manifested himself so he's probably used to hearing voices.
01:00:51
He's probably kind of used to it at that time, but that shit was
01:00:54
just like, fuck, dude. But I don't know because I feel
01:00:58
like with him with him having left home And having left the
01:01:06
source of his break. I feel like that would have been
01:01:11
the point of time when he kind of took Stephen into the back of
01:01:14
his mind because he didn't really meet Steven at that
01:01:16
point, you know? And then again like like we said
01:01:21
when they went back and saw that or hurt that mom was gone and he
01:01:26
tried to go into the house or he was there on the street, and he
01:01:28
was like, I can't do this, I can't do this.
01:01:30
I think that's when he needed Steven to come back because it's
01:01:33
like even though she Did him like shit.
01:01:37
That's still his mother or now, he'll never have a chance to
01:01:41
reconcile with her, he'll never have a chance to and I don't
01:01:44
know if that was something that he wanted, but maybe just
01:01:48
knowing that she was still there even though he had nothing to do
01:01:51
with her, maybe that was enough of a comfort to him to keep his
01:01:55
mind intact and them once she's gone.
01:01:59
There's so many things beyond that.
01:02:01
You can't fix the broken relationship.
01:02:04
You can't Ever get, and I'm sorry that I treated you this
01:02:07
way or you didn't deserve this. You don't get to have any of
01:02:11
that now. And I think at that point he
01:02:14
probably needed, he was like you know what, I can't do this shit.
01:02:17
Let me put Stephen in the Forefront and let him live life
01:02:20
for a couple of months. I can't do this and they think
01:02:23
you're right. I think they had been six months
01:02:26
since she had heard from him. So, I think that's really what
01:02:29
happened that I think you're right.
01:02:31
I think he brought Stephen out to because he Want to deal with
01:02:35
those feelings. And Stephen is the one that
01:02:39
walks around thinking mom is still alive and still talking to
01:02:42
her and everything's great. He didn't have to deal with
01:02:45
that. Yeah, he has Steve, Steven to be
01:02:49
happy, right? That's, that's his happiness.
01:02:53
Like you would you call you Call These happy space?
01:02:56
That's what. Stephen is.
01:02:57
Yeah. But oh and then of course, after
01:03:03
all of this is revealed in After he finds out about khonshu and
01:03:07
how Mark ended up being, you know, in his servitude that's
01:03:13
when the scales balanced. And I was like, and I'll be
01:03:17
honest. Yes, I understand that.
01:03:22
What they really were saying was that marked kind of needed to I
01:03:26
guess. It's not feel like he needed to
01:03:30
fully embrace the even and not just as this little part of
01:03:34
himself that he could tuck in. Like, we see Steven in this
01:03:38
episode as a completely separate person like an actual person.
01:03:44
And I think at, I think this episode was really about Mark
01:03:49
and bracing that part of him like, okay.
01:03:51
You know what, this is not just a little tiny bit.
01:03:53
He is a part of me, he is an important part of me and I need
01:03:59
to embrace that in order for us to be whole.
01:04:02
And is painful what he had to do to get there, but I I really
01:04:08
think that's kind of what it was about.
01:04:09
And, again, at this point I feel like the Jake thing is not even
01:04:14
in his mind, because I feel like if he knew about Jake, then the
01:04:18
scales will still be unbalanced. You know. but, I will say this,
01:04:27
I will never get tired of seeing that seeing that soup come
01:04:31
around him, the way that they do.
01:04:33
That is so beautiful. Yeah, it doesn't fix a fire like
01:04:38
this. Like the way this wrapped
01:04:40
himself up, it's almost like a teepee themself but yeah I think
01:04:44
that there's a hum sorry I just had I'm sorry I just had a
01:04:48
thought because It is possible that you didn't matter.
01:04:53
See Jake, I think Jake knows everything.
01:04:57
I feel like that too. So I don't think you would be
01:05:00
imbalanced. It would be balanced even with
01:05:03
Jake because Stephen was not aware of everything.
01:05:11
This one. I think that's where the chaos
01:05:13
was, because Stephen Stephen makes everything about us
01:05:17
because he's not aware of those memories.
01:05:19
He's not aware of those feelings, gotcha, but Jake knows
01:05:23
anything. He knows everything Mark knows.
01:05:25
Everything Mark knows everything right and it doesn't matter that
01:05:29
Mark doesn't know about Jake because it's not about knowing
01:05:33
about those pieces is about everything as a whole.
01:05:36
It's about being okay with with what happened.
01:05:40
And dealing with it. Yeah, that's the reaction makes
01:05:45
a lot of sense. I didn't either, but I interrupt
01:05:50
is room. Sorry.
01:05:51
What were you saying? Not school.
01:05:54
I would, I was just saying that. That's actually a really good
01:05:57
point about Jake knowing, like knowing it and like the fact
01:06:02
that Jake Dagny haven't seen Jake, but he's played like an
01:06:05
integral part in a lot of stuff around here, like in the show is
01:06:09
crazy and I mean, I'm surprised and and plus, we're not when we
01:06:16
don't see anything about his origin or anything about him,
01:06:21
like in any of this or any of these origin stories and I'm
01:06:28
just I'm bewildered that, you know, I mean we've they need
01:06:33
still don't really know anything about them, but I'm assuming
01:06:36
that's coming, but it's like, you never know.
01:06:39
But I just, I love how this is going.
01:06:43
Right. And I think the funny thing too,
01:06:45
is the fact that we only like, I only know that there's a third
01:06:50
personality because of you guys have in comic comic knowledge,
01:06:54
you know, you and Lori. But if I didn't know that there
01:06:57
was a third personality, I would just think that there was
01:07:00
something a little bit strange about Mark, but I really
01:07:02
wouldn't it really wouldn't hit me I think or I read it wouldn't
01:07:07
have hit me until the scene where my super holding the yeah
01:07:12
where he was. The people and he was like
01:07:13
Stephen, what did you do? Is Steven was like I didn't do
01:07:16
this. I would have been at that point.
01:07:18
Like oh, is there another? But again, they've never really
01:07:22
directly referenced him until the last episode.
01:07:25
When we saw the third cop, I mean, the second sarcophagus,
01:07:28
kind of jumping and marks mine and Martin looked at it was
01:07:31
like, nope, and kept on going if they planted the seed earlier,
01:07:36
when you always saw two other Reflections that you, it was
01:07:40
always three of them in the reflection. yeah, so they
01:07:44
planning to see early that there was a third person there in
01:07:47
personality Yep. Then they come back out to the
01:07:54
ship and there's chaos because unbalanced souls are being
01:07:58
judged or condemned to the Sands before their time.
01:08:02
I was like Harold. What are you doing?
01:08:05
What are you doing? You're messing stuff up?
01:08:08
Yeah, it's like that. We just like literally rating
01:08:11
Souls. Like damn right?
01:08:13
And Stephen says is evil. She's like oh this is bad, this
01:08:16
is evil and they realize what's going what's going on with it
01:08:21
and they were like you got to send us back so we can fix this.
01:08:26
And she says, I can't do that because even if I do that I'm
01:08:31
basically putting Back in a body, that's got a bullet in it.
01:08:34
You won't be able to heal. You don't have con shoes, you
01:08:38
know, you don't have con shoes protection.
01:08:41
So they try to get her to send word from Layla.
01:08:46
And I mean, send word to Layla and then she's asking, Stephen.
01:08:50
She was like, um, so I thought you wanted to get away from him.
01:08:54
He was like, well, I did, but this is our only shot, you know,
01:08:57
because he's still thinking that.
01:08:59
Okay, we're we're away from khonshu, We're Has to be going,
01:09:02
our separate separate ways and I think now, having gone through
01:09:07
this journey, I think Steven realizes that that's not
01:09:10
something they can do. Like we're part of each other.
01:09:18
But and then Dennis like yeah I mean it's like I think I think
01:09:26
Mark thought he was dodging a bullet when they when they were
01:09:29
actually back on the ship deck. He was like, okay I got think
01:09:32
about that for a second but then they go back in there.
01:09:34
He's like And this is them is the moment where he goes at his
01:09:40
mom's, banging on the door, right?
01:09:43
Not yet. This is where well, yeah,
01:09:47
they've gone in Tower is trying to take them through a Cyrus's
01:09:51
gate and yes, Stephen is like, yeah, there's that bedroom you
01:09:54
didn't want me to go into. So we got it, we got to get
01:09:56
balanced and Mark is like, yeah. No, we don't we don't have to go
01:10:02
through all of that. Again we can just talk.
01:10:04
I'll tell you whatever you want to know but we do not need to go
01:10:08
back there. Don't make us go and you know
01:10:11
Steven is Like or Mark says, it's not worth it.
01:10:15
If Stephen has like you're about to lose everything, how is it
01:10:18
not worth it? How is it not worth it if we
01:10:21
don't go back and Harold succeeds?
01:10:24
All of those people are going to die.
01:10:27
And if Layla dies that's on your head and that's the thing that's
01:10:30
you know, he's like it'll be all, it'll all be your fault and
01:10:33
then we see marked brass the fuck out.
01:10:38
I mean, this is this is the first time we've actually seen
01:10:41
him kind of like spazzing and losing control is like where
01:10:45
he's just like, banging something the head and just
01:10:47
like, I don't want to do it. I want to do it and then he's
01:10:50
back sitting in front of Harrow. It's like McMahon.
01:10:57
He's getting deep now like shit, right?
01:11:00
But so I'm still I guess harro is like hit when he looks at
01:11:07
him. He's just trying to figure out
01:11:09
what's going on because the last thing he remembers is that they
01:11:12
gave him an injection and that was what put him back in the
01:11:16
hallway. And, of course, I feel like, I
01:11:19
feel like Harrell is being condescending but without being
01:11:22
condescending, he's like, yeah, you watch too many movies.
01:11:25
He was like, so you're telling me about this If you tell me
01:11:27
about that and he's like, oh Mark, what you've been doing is
01:11:31
so difficult. I'm so proud of you.
01:11:33
I was like, you kindness anymore.
01:11:36
That just It just felt so condescending but he knows that
01:11:42
Mark has been heaps like reliving these kinds of memories
01:11:45
is traumatic and you've been doing it for hours and you know,
01:11:48
I'm proud of you. You've been looking into all of
01:11:51
them, you excuse me, you've been peering deeply into all of the
01:11:55
moments that make you you. I was like you are so full of
01:12:00
shit. But I think it's interesting
01:12:04
because Harold gives him this couples.
01:12:07
I guess it's cup of water a cup of tea and he starts looking in
01:12:10
the reflection is almost like he's looking for Steven, you
01:12:15
know, and then that's when Harold as he was like.
01:12:17
So do you think you created Stevens to protect you from the
01:12:20
way, your mother punished you? He was like.
01:12:23
Can you remember? There's only one way to know.
01:12:24
And at this point this is when we know, okay, we're about to
01:12:27
take that deep dive because even Hera was Ahem, yeah, you're
01:12:31
going to have to understand. You're going to have to open up
01:12:35
to Steven, because there's no progress without understanding.
01:12:38
You have to open up to him. You have to tell them what's
01:12:41
going on. And he keeps looking in this
01:12:42
cup. Looking at Steven, and then
01:12:46
we're in the bedroom. I feel so bad for a little baby
01:12:51
mark, because he was like, this sitting there freaking down.
01:12:55
In his mom was his mom was basically a monster outside of
01:12:58
her outside of his door and then he him saying that she's not
01:13:02
real, it's not real, it's not really just like trying to deal
01:13:06
with it. And did he finally create
01:13:08
Stephen leicht from the is, like, you see the poster on his
01:13:12
wall and you're like, oh shit. And then he did then he creates
01:13:16
a starts speaking in a British accent.
01:13:18
Shout out to that young man to for actually nailing that shit.
01:13:22
I was like okay damn. Yeah.
01:13:25
But if you know it's so it's interesting but it's also sad
01:13:31
because we see Stephen like trying to get a grasp of what's
01:13:34
going on because he's looking he's like This is my room.
01:13:40
Like he remembers being in that room and baby Mark is on the
01:13:44
floor and he's doing the, it's not, my mom is not my mom.
01:13:47
And then grown up, Mark is standing behind Stephen and he's
01:13:50
doing the same thing, and it's almost like they're mimicking.
01:13:53
Each other's expressions. And Steven is just looking like,
01:13:59
what what are we doing? And then you see, Mark sighs
01:14:03
robe in the back of his head. And he looks in the mirror.
01:14:07
Or did you see his mirror and he starts going into the like you
01:14:11
said the the British accent and he's like, oh my rooms a mess.
01:14:15
I better sorted out before mom sees it and it's just, Steven is
01:14:23
looking like wait, what the fuck what's going on?
01:14:27
And then I think that's when he sees the poster.
01:14:31
He's like wait. Huh.
01:14:34
And it says, when danger is near Stephen, Grant has no fear And
01:14:42
you see mom is still sitting out there.
01:14:45
Doing what she's doing and Steven is just He's not fazed by
01:14:51
it. And that's when he realizes,
01:14:53
wait, you made me up the the cool thing, right before, that
01:14:59
is when he looks into the cup and he's in the room and he had
01:15:04
his head down. You know these Stephen like sort
01:15:09
of appears from behind him. No I didn't say that you just
01:15:15
sort of like he's Mike is standing here by himself if he's
01:15:19
looking down and he's opened his eyes and and Stephen comes like
01:15:23
oh this is my room and it's is it looks really cool.
01:15:28
He doesn't because you realize he's coming from him.
01:15:33
Yeah. Now I got and that's when you
01:15:35
realize, oh my God. This is when he was created.
01:15:39
Yeah. Oscar, Isaac is brilliant,
01:15:44
because all good, he is. But I like how big few minutes
01:15:49
jerk, my heart out of my chest. Like and so you notice that
01:15:55
without free streaming? Yes I did.
01:15:59
I don't know what all that. We want.
01:16:01
White wine, let's rewind, a freeze frame me.
01:16:11
No, I didn't notice that my heart and when she was she
01:16:15
finally got in and got that buildings, get rid of with him
01:16:18
and it's like, I don't know why Stephen wanted to stay and see
01:16:21
that like That just like that. That'd be like me want to stay
01:16:26
and see me, get my ass beat. If I'm going, if I'm reliving my
01:16:30
life, I'm like, I'll fast-forward past that Bend
01:16:32
forward pass because again, he doesn't have these memories of
01:16:37
his mom being like this. And I think that's probably why.
01:16:40
It's not necessarily curiosity, like, oh, I need to see this.
01:16:44
I think it was a have to see this because I don't believe
01:16:49
what your mind is showing me. You know, but again, if he was
01:16:54
created to have no fear, then Wendy wouldn't have, she
01:16:59
wouldn't have scared him like that.
01:17:02
Oh yeah, okay, I see what you asked me.
01:17:04
What you're saying Anthony. I do like that.
01:17:08
Yeah, but even then he was like, I remember this.
01:17:11
This is my room, I remember it, but not exactly like this.
01:17:15
Like there were certain things, this is Mark, bringing the walls
01:17:22
down. Yeah, this is my just completely
01:17:24
opening himself up, heart breaking Laura, you've been
01:17:30
quiet. You guys are saying everything.
01:17:33
I mean, you know, you York. Burn all the points.
01:17:36
The only thing is that I think that when you go back to, when
01:17:43
he's saying in the first episode Later Gators and all that, and
01:17:47
he's supposedly talking to his mom on the phone.
01:17:49
I like how they tied that into this episode, because I think
01:17:52
that deep down, he knew the truth, but he had a mental
01:17:56
block. I like how they cannot connect
01:17:58
to that together. The other thing that I thought
01:18:01
was interesting is that when he staring they're trying to to see
01:18:06
his mother, you know, take a belt to him, maybe your
01:18:09
subconscious wanted to see it to confirm that, he knew it all
01:18:12
along, you know, and it but but you know marks like no, no, no
01:18:18
you don't because he didn't want to relive it.
01:18:20
So two halves of one coin. One wanted to see it 11 didn't.
01:18:23
So I thought that was interesting.
01:18:25
But, you know, the whole thing is that this entire episode.
01:18:29
It is emotionally draining but it's also a really good info
01:18:33
dump. As far as getting a lot of
01:18:35
stuff. Felt that you haven't done the
01:18:37
first four episodes. I mean, they did an excellent
01:18:39
job as far as giving you the, you know, the information that
01:18:44
you need it. So yeah, like I said, I haven't
01:18:47
said much because you guys are saying everything.
01:18:51
Okay. Okay, so yeah, Mark does get him
01:18:56
out of that room. And and the last thing that we
01:18:58
hear Wendy say to him, is you discussing human.
01:19:03
I'm like, Why? Why?
01:19:14
But yes, this is Stephen comes to the realization like you made
01:19:21
me up, you know? Or rather Mark is like no, you
01:19:24
don't need to see that. That's that's the whole point of
01:19:26
view. It's even this like the point of
01:19:29
me, what to be your stress ball and he smacks the shit out of
01:19:34
March. He was like all this time.
01:19:37
I thought I was the original original, but I'm just something
01:19:40
you made up. And you know, Mark doesn't
01:19:44
understand. He's like no, you got to live a
01:19:46
happy, simple normal life, why are you upset?
01:19:50
You didn't have to deal with none of this stuff but oh Hey
01:19:58
there's if this evidence that he was conscious, you you
01:20:01
disgusting human and maybe shoot he was influencing her.
01:20:08
Right. Maybe.
01:20:11
But I mean now nothing. This is this.
01:20:15
Next part is next part is just to really fucking tragic.
01:20:18
Oh my God. Yeah, because this is when
01:20:20
Steven finds out that she's not alive, and you know, this is
01:20:23
when Marcus tell him, he was like, you got to live a happy
01:20:25
normal life. You got to think that she loved
01:20:28
you. You didn't grow up thinking that
01:20:30
she hated you, or knowing that she beat you, or any of that you
01:20:35
thought that she was that she loved you. she was kind that she
01:20:39
still alive and this team is like, what do you mean I speak
01:20:43
to her every day and I'm like, do you don't speak to her?
01:20:46
You talked to her on, you talk to her voicemail or something
01:20:49
but um you know March starts telling him that you know.
01:20:55
Yeah this is what happened, Dad called me about a Shiva and I
01:20:59
was like, oh, okay. So you know, I think that was
01:21:01
one complaint. I saw early on in the series,
01:21:04
they were like, he's supposed to be Jewish.
01:21:06
I'm like, okay, well, he just confirmed it right here but, you
01:21:10
know, but He says he tried to go and he couldn't he couldn't do
01:21:15
it. And Stephen is like, I'm not
01:21:19
believing this. No uh-uh.
01:21:20
No. And it's one of those things
01:21:23
where Mark now is trying to calm down Steven and he ends up
01:21:29
waking up in v. In the psyche room with Harold
01:21:35
and he starts talking, he's like oh my God because he throws some
01:21:38
water in Harold's face and he's like, oh my God, I'm so sorry.
01:21:40
I Harrow is like Steven and Steven is like, hold up.
01:21:45
This is not right. Wait, I know this place.
01:21:49
What? What's going on?
01:21:50
You shot me. You know, you just start trying
01:21:55
to figure out what's going on. It's just like, okay, Steven now
01:22:02
and, This whole exchange is interesting because we get to
01:22:08
see Steven introduce, you know, talk to her.
01:22:12
Oh, and he's being Stephen, of course.
01:22:14
He was like. Yeah.
01:22:15
Okay. So you're a doctor.
01:22:16
Now you've gone up in this world.
01:22:18
Are you got that silly little mustache?
01:22:20
And yeah, this is not weird at all, and you know, that's when,
01:22:27
you know, they have this conversation, he's like yeah I
01:22:29
asked Steven, I mean, I asked Martha open up to you did he and
01:22:33
and Steve and his face, his face, just breaks me. he just,
01:22:47
This one, this will see where where Harold like calls calls
01:22:52
his mom like that shit was so fucking heartbreaking, man.
01:22:57
It's like it's like and that's the point where you saw the
01:23:01
realization and Stevens eyes where he was like oh no you have
01:23:04
to call it's probably business, please don't and it's like oh my
01:23:07
God like that was and the the way he looked at the phone and
01:23:11
she was just kidding you touched about you just like she's dead.
01:23:16
Hear the dial tone is just like, like the realization is just
01:23:22
that should, but they also fit finding out that he was the one
01:23:27
that brought them to dr. Harrell.
01:23:31
So, apparently, he knew something was going on, at least
01:23:34
in his mind, you know, whatever this is going on.
01:23:36
He's like, okay, something's going on.
01:23:38
So, I need to go see the doctor. And Doctor hair was like, yeah,
01:23:42
you're the one who brought you a Mark here?
01:23:44
It seems like what? I did this, huh?
01:23:48
Okay. And then that's when they do the
01:23:50
phone call. And I was just sitting there
01:23:51
like, I, I had to pause. I was like, I can't, I can't.
01:23:57
I can't. Because it's, like, as he's
01:24:01
calling her, like you said he starts, it's almost like he goes
01:24:05
from. Yeah, my mom's alive, and then
01:24:07
it's like, no, no, no, no, no, don't bother her.
01:24:10
No, she leave her alone that and it's almost, like, I don't know
01:24:14
if it's the realization or if it's just that he's thinking
01:24:18
about what Marcus told him, and that's what the realization is.
01:24:23
So it's like, either way, it goes just to see his face break.
01:24:28
When he says that, his mom is dead.
01:24:30
I was like I don't want to see Oscar Isaac cry.
01:24:38
You gotta love that this episode.
01:24:43
It is lose him breaking. It was him breaking, it was him
01:24:47
breaking down the street. We got.
01:24:49
Yeah, that that was too much. I mean, the host like that, that
01:24:54
whole sequence from them like sitting is called sitting sis a
01:24:59
Seder, Shiva soon Shiva. Then his father looking out the
01:25:04
window and seeing him standing across the street with a flask
01:25:08
and saying, indicating trying to get them to come in and shaking
01:25:11
his head. And like feel like I said, like
01:25:14
him just kneeling breaking down in the middle of the street,
01:25:18
taking this yarmulke off and slamming into the ground and
01:25:21
punching it and punching it in. Like breaking down mentally,
01:25:25
like in the middle of the damn street.
01:25:27
I wonder, is that the first time, his father had seen him,
01:25:30
since he left home. I assumed it was.
01:25:34
Yeah. It was not end in a while.
01:25:36
Yeah. Yeah.
01:25:37
If it wasn't yet, if it wasn't his first time, that it's been a
01:25:41
minute. It's been a long time, but I'm
01:25:44
thinking it product that he probably hasn't seen him since
01:25:47
he went off. And then I can crying and
01:25:51
switching switching to Stephen and Stevens like oblivious like,
01:25:56
fuck, I'm lost. Like holy, yeah.
01:25:58
Like I said, I feel like that. That, that that's where it
01:26:01
happened. Yeah, right there, it was like,
01:26:04
oh okay, you know what, I don't want to deal with this.
01:26:06
I can't deal with this. You know what?
01:26:08
Yeah, we're gonna bring Steven to the Forefront.
01:26:13
And it's a weird because Stephen actually gets deceived like he
01:26:17
really gets to see it at this point.
01:26:20
I was like that's got to be so bizarre.
01:26:23
To witness that to see a version of yourself turning to you.
01:26:30
I don't even know how to. I don't even know how to say it,
01:26:34
but immediately, he picks up the phone and he calls his mom.
01:26:39
He's like, yeah, can you believe it?
01:26:42
I'm lost again. I don't know what's going on.
01:26:44
I just totally did it. I'm and I'm like, you don't even
01:26:48
recognize your or rather he does.
01:26:50
He's like, it kind of looks like Mayfair.
01:26:52
So it's kind of look like, you know, where I grew up, but of
01:26:56
course, I can't be here. How a my hair.
01:26:59
And then, that's when Mark says, this was the moment that I Our
01:27:03
Lives started bleeding into each other.
01:27:05
He was like, I just couldn't, I couldn't face that again.
01:27:11
I tell you, I just want to give Mark, Steven just like a big old
01:27:16
hug but this is the point where Steve has to tell them.
01:27:20
Look, it wasn't your fault for all the things that she did and
01:27:24
I think that's really what Mark needed to hear.
01:27:28
You know, and then it wasn't his fault that Randall died, right.
01:27:33
I think he really needed to hear that from someone and it just
01:27:38
happened to be a version of his self that that totem and then
01:27:42
the ground shakes. And that means that the boat is
01:27:47
stopped. And they there at the gates of
01:27:51
those Cyrus and they're running and I love the way they
01:27:53
transition this thing because it's like you're on the street
01:27:56
and then you're on the boat. And then you see, this really,
01:28:00
really gorgeous piece of architecture.
01:28:03
I can't think of anything else to call it.
01:28:05
It's architecture, but they're at the gates, and they're still
01:28:11
unbalanced, you know? It's still kind of even though
01:28:14
it's very slight, like maybe just a half inch or something,
01:28:18
it is just still unbalanced. And so you see the creepy
01:28:23
crawlies coming out of the Sands to get them.
01:28:28
Creepy crawlies. Okay, that's what they are.
01:28:32
Some beasts and zombies sins away.
01:28:38
I don't even know if I would consider that zombies because
01:28:40
and Stephen is like, Mark, they don't look friendly.
01:28:46
But these are the souls of all the people that Mark is killed.
01:28:51
Yeah, that's not going to be awkward, but Mark is writing,
01:28:55
he's holding his own and Stephen is like he's hiding because
01:29:02
that's what Mark has told him to do, but they're almost about to
01:29:05
push, Mark over into the Sands, Stephen takes action, he fears
01:29:09
the boning different direction, and they kind of go, you know,
01:29:14
shift one way to the other, is kind of like watching the scene
01:29:17
in Pirates of the Caribbean when they Rocking the Boat.
01:29:21
Going where? Yeah, but Mark is kind of sort
01:29:30
of getting his butt kicked and Stephen the shock things.
01:29:32
Like, Mark, you've got this, he was like but if I'm you mean,
01:29:38
is, I've got this too. And that's the first time you
01:29:40
really see Steve and just kind of like, okay, you know what, I
01:29:44
can fight too, because I'm a part of him and he starts
01:29:49
fighting and doing the stuff. Tough.
01:29:51
But there's one behind him that just kind of sneaks up and when
01:29:57
they try to take him out, He gets that one but then.
01:30:07
I mean, he's going to town that I was looking at mostly okay.
01:30:10
Megan Junior I mean back I mean he's going off.
01:30:15
Then one of them comes from a side of the boat and tries to
01:30:19
grab Mark and Stephen saves Mark, but he ends up going over
01:30:25
in the Sands. Yeah, two things.
01:30:29
Oh wait, wait. He gets into the saying.
01:30:34
And when he stands up, he's trying to go to, he's like,
01:30:37
calling out for Mark because Steven is calling out for him.
01:30:41
He runs he's trying to get on the boat.
01:30:44
And he starts fucking freezing, and at this point, I lost my
01:30:48
shit watching this. I was like, no, no no, no.
01:30:52
When I tell you, I was, I was ugly crying at this point.
01:30:57
Ugly crying. Because you saw how much it hurt
01:31:03
Mark to leave Steven behind, like he was like, go back, he's
01:31:06
coming, we got to save him. We got to savor and, and Steven
01:31:11
is there. He's reaching out for Mark and
01:31:14
he literally freezes like that. And I was just like, And then
01:31:19
after that, the scales are balanced.
01:31:22
What? What?
01:31:28
Every field of rain is pretty very beautiful.
01:31:33
If you build it, they will come Beautiful.
01:31:42
All right. I got two things, one.
01:31:44
Wow, was, I mean, I understand Market just gone through
01:31:46
fighting this stuff. Why is he still hanging on one
01:31:49
side of the boat? Where the, where the salmon were
01:31:51
crawling over to side? Like why do you get in the
01:31:53
middle of the fucking boat? I think, maybe he thought they
01:31:56
got them all. I think maybe just because, you
01:32:00
know, I mean there was what, one, two, three, four, maybe
01:32:04
five that were actually on the ship.
01:32:06
Maybe he didn't think all of them were in the sand.
01:32:08
He was just kind of like, okay, Or maybe he was just staring at.
01:32:11
Stephen, it all like, oh, hey buddy, you did that?
01:32:16
Maybe it was that maybe he just, you know, I think he just he
01:32:19
just took a break that he didn't need to take.
01:32:21
But other thing is like such as Stephen for yelling sixes after
01:32:25
he hits the first one because like we scored a point in
01:32:28
cricket, I was like that's awesome.
01:32:32
The way Mark was like, huh? It's a British Leyland
01:32:36
understand for those pretty good.
01:32:38
Jump it a shot back but it's like from all the souls that you
01:32:42
saw previously that Harold was Being down like, you know, that
01:32:48
a lot of all the every last soul that went down there.
01:32:50
Hit the saying has turned into one of those things.
01:32:54
So it's like, yeah, that's so there was a ton of the only
01:32:58
killed like Billy went through like about 10 or 12 of them.
01:33:01
They go through that menu button there.
01:33:03
Those are all Souls that market killed because as they were
01:33:06
getting on the boat, he started naming them Gabon Dubai like
01:33:11
just like you did in the cafeteria.
01:33:13
Yeah, but early story about 30 people in the cafe.
01:33:15
Syria building went through like 10 or 12 of people.
01:33:18
Yeah, well, so if they pull Stephen over and and the scales
01:33:23
balanced. So there was no need to send
01:33:24
anybody else, but I think if Stephen has stayed on the ship
01:33:28
for longer, they probably would have sent more until one of them
01:33:31
had gotten off. Because I think, at that point,
01:33:34
One of them is going to have to go.
01:33:36
So You know but Stevens Frozen in the sand now and I don't like
01:33:43
it, I don't like it, I don't like it.
01:33:47
That was just I mean the fact that we know he's going to be
01:33:49
back is little consolation because it's like it's like
01:33:53
really like just seeing him like freezing and space and it's just
01:33:57
like yeah like yeah they had to do that to me all the stuff they
01:34:02
just went through. All the all the Tama and
01:34:05
emotional damage that they've been through and y'all going She
01:34:08
doesn't do it like that. Just come over the side.
01:34:11
Like they are, yeah, we didn't break your hearts enough this
01:34:14
episode. So let's throw one more thing in
01:34:17
there. I mean the only thing that would
01:34:19
be the worst is the Jake would have thrown him over.
01:34:24
I'm just saying I'm just I'm not saying you what happened?
01:34:26
Yeah, I don't know anything about the Jake persona but
01:34:30
something good. I'm just saying look, if you
01:34:32
would have seen another version of himself throwing another
01:34:35
version of himself over to side. And it's not the this not
01:34:40
himself version of himself. No, it's not just that you're
01:34:43
confusing me spell for myself here, version of myself, past
01:34:47
myself self movers and so right now, yeah, let's self self, self
01:34:53
self self, never mind what I'm saying.
01:34:58
This was heartbreak I think and I think I guess for me this was
01:35:03
even a better episode than the last episode.
01:35:07
Just because we got all of the, as Lord, like to say info dump
01:35:12
because we got all of the back story because we got to see
01:35:15
those emotional moments because we got to see, you know, kind of
01:35:20
Mark. Opening up to Stephen and not
01:35:25
just treating him as just something over there on the side
01:35:28
or you know what I'm saying? He finally did open up even
01:35:31
though it was involuntary. I think that at this point, he
01:35:36
knew that he needed that in order to get done what they need
01:35:42
to get done. And now that Steven is kind of
01:35:45
Overboard. I don't know how that's going to
01:35:47
affect Mark. Like what is he going to do?
01:35:49
He standing there in the field of reeds.
01:35:51
He's in Paradise. Now, and see all you doing is,
01:35:55
is making me concerned that its last episode is going to be
01:35:59
rushed. Like, we have one episode left
01:36:02
and we have so many things, we need to tie up.
01:36:06
We got hair. Oh, we got a free concert.
01:36:08
We got to bring Stephen and Mark back.
01:36:13
We got to Rick reconcile with Layla.
01:36:15
I mean, there is a lot that we have to do and it's just one
01:36:19
episode, but you know what, I will, I say this, I feel like
01:36:23
the pacing for the show has been really good because we even said
01:36:26
it, when we discuss episode 4, we were like, we only have two
01:36:30
episodes left. They got a lot to tell us in
01:36:33
those two episodes and I feel like with this episode they did
01:36:36
a really, really good job. So I, you know, I have to get it
01:36:42
done but was still at the same place, we were at the end of
01:36:45
episode 4. This is true.
01:36:48
We didn't go anywhere when you put it like that.
01:36:52
If we screw the same place and we have all those same
01:36:57
unresolved and the answer story. Plot Point have faith that they
01:37:02
can get it done. It's gonna be great.
01:37:05
I'm not saying they can't get the damn.
01:37:07
Is I'm going to fear, I already know.
01:37:09
I'm going to feel like it's going to be rushed.
01:37:12
Is this too much? There's too much to do and see
01:37:17
how many, how many minutes supposed to be the shortest
01:37:20
episode of the sea. Yeah, 45 minutes.
01:37:25
Okay, we're going to see how that's going to work because,
01:37:31
yeah, now that you put it like that, you like wearing the same
01:37:33
place we ended up so far. I'm like, no, we oh, because
01:37:39
technically speaking Mark is still dead.
01:37:43
She was still imprisoned, imprisoned Harrow is On his way
01:37:50
to release. I met, you don't know what the
01:37:53
hell is going on with later. So yeah, 45 minutes.
01:38:03
Okay? I guess we'll see.
01:38:07
So Lori. Come on and talk.
01:38:09
What's going on with you got to say?
01:38:11
Well I liked the episode better. The second time around in the
01:38:15
first time I watched it. Yeah, you weren't pleased with
01:38:18
it the first time. No.
01:38:19
I wasn't because I like I said earlier, I have an issue.
01:38:23
When they go back in time or they repeat the same day over or
01:38:27
it's in someone's head those episodes.
01:38:29
I usually don't like, but I will say that.
01:38:33
Once I watched the second time, Two things came out to me, it
01:38:36
was the better Pace. Info dump that I've seen in
01:38:40
other shows that, I like the way they did it.
01:38:43
The second thing is that the, the emotional feelings,
01:38:49
emotional acting that they did it as it really made.
01:38:53
You feel really bad for Mark not not, you know, Stephen but Mark
01:38:57
you just like, wow, this was his childhood.
01:39:00
This is what happened to him. And I think the thing is that
01:39:03
the brought to was It TW T into it.
01:39:07
I thought that it was cool because she's one of my favorite
01:39:10
Egyptian gods is anyway. So I liked how they had her sort
01:39:14
of like, you know, very proper. Very oh, I have a card for this.
01:39:18
I thought that was cute. The only thing that I didn't
01:39:22
really after the second watch care for, I didn't care for the
01:39:26
fact that they threw outline that well, Crawley this, we've
01:39:30
only seen Crawley once and that was the first episode, you know,
01:39:33
they keep Mentioning Crawley, but they've only showed a like
01:39:38
that one time or was Crowley prolly the still living statue.
01:39:43
Yes. Okay.
01:39:45
I had to think about it, I was like, oh yeah, he's been in
01:39:48
three episodes. Okay, I'll yeah.
01:39:51
Because he was one of the, he was one of the mental patients.
01:39:54
We're okay. Okay.
01:39:55
So but my thing is that they keep mentioning him, but he's
01:39:58
never said who he really is and that might be season 2 if we get
01:40:04
to see, I was going to say They has that has to be why they're
01:40:06
giving a season to then they have to give us a season to
01:40:08
yeah. Because I'm so dimension of
01:40:12
Duchamp, right? Which is also important to shows
01:40:15
Marlene. Yeah.
01:40:16
So there's three characters right there.
01:40:18
That if you knew anything about Moon night you need to know.
01:40:21
Those are see those three characters.
01:40:23
So all in all it was a better view of the second time around
01:40:26
and I think they did a really good job me too.
01:40:30
That's my take they tore my heart out though.
01:40:32
I don't like that. Yeah.
01:40:35
I mean it makes for a good story but still it's like, God did you
01:40:39
have to like just rip my heart out?
01:40:42
Did you have to shred it like oh I can't really never really.
01:40:52
This is that where we're going right now come on down.
01:40:56
Really? That's something.
01:40:58
We're going to talk about crushing the statue.
01:41:02
No, no, no. You talk about being threatened?
01:41:07
No, no, no, no. Throw me over in a bitch and
01:41:13
leave me there. No no I'm sort of a melon Y'all
01:41:21
are bad? Lord, have mercy.
01:41:23
Any final thoughts on this penultimate episode of
01:41:27
moonlight. We have 45 minutes left in this
01:41:30
series. So I want, I really want to see
01:41:34
how they're going to get mark back.
01:41:37
First of all. And second of all, you may say
01:41:40
that, I mean if Stephen yeah, I want to see how they remedy
01:41:44
that. I want to see like the whole
01:41:50
thing like when Harold finally on, because you don't Harold's
01:41:53
gonna unleash all men. I want to see how that goes.
01:41:57
There's a lot, there's a lot that still needs to happen.
01:41:59
We still haven't seen Jake. I want to see how they found a
01:42:01
remedy that because there is no chance in hell that they lived
01:42:05
this series go without at least showing him the showing Mark as
01:42:10
Jake and another personality. So I want to see how they do
01:42:13
that too. That's no that's really the main
01:42:15
thing is like how are they going?
01:42:16
Introduce Jake. Yeah the main thing I want to
01:42:20
see is is I meant going to be exactly what we think.
01:42:25
Or you know, I always keep having this nagging thought that
01:42:30
we really don't know where I miss true purpose and goal is.
01:42:34
Yeah you've mentioned that I'm just curious to see if we if we
01:42:37
gonna see with it is almost got Gladiator Vibes.
01:42:41
When he go in he got to be on build a reads like the end when
01:42:44
he died when he was like walking and Hope.
01:42:46
Up and running his hand along the long grass.
01:42:49
I thought was that? Yeah.
01:42:51
Gladiator bad for that. Yeah, I thought that too.
01:42:56
So Anthony. So what you're saying is you
01:43:00
you're kind of thinking, you know, how it is.
01:43:02
Sometimes when you have, you have lackeys or whatever doing
01:43:07
things for a bad guy, and then once they've done everything,
01:43:10
that's a bad guy, wants them to do the bad guy turns on them or
01:43:15
you know, oh, I know, I told you I was doing this but what I'm
01:43:19
actually doing this this you think it's going to be that kind
01:43:22
of that kind of betrayal from them Emmett.
01:43:25
I don't think betrayal isn't since she's since I'm it's been
01:43:30
in prison that hasn't been any communication.
01:43:34
So like everything here was doing is based off what he
01:43:38
thinks. But we don't he doesn't really
01:43:43
know okay. If it has an idea in the Legends
01:43:47
and wit may be conscious told him but we really don't know it.
01:43:51
I mean his objective is it's not like when he was conscious
01:43:55
Avatar icon she was saying Hey I want you to do this.
01:43:58
I want you right, right, right now.
01:44:00
He's just basically going off of what he thinks, right?
01:44:04
Yeah. Because you know I mean this is
01:44:06
like, you know, I just want everybody.
01:44:08
So Up might be like I don't care about nobody else has so I'm
01:44:16
free for the first time in two thousand dollars seeya and she
01:44:20
might just go somewhere and Harold's going to be like.
01:44:25
So what are we supposed to do? So yeah.
01:44:30
I could see or sounds curious to find out if how accurate heroin
01:44:35
is and wait, what he's trying to do.
01:44:39
So what would they need to do to free khonshu?
01:44:42
Like is there like a spell? They would have to do, do they
01:44:46
just need to like I think you need to break break the new Sati
01:44:50
Sati. Okay, okay.
01:44:52
Yeah, break whatever he's confined in.
01:44:54
Okay. All right, so somebody
01:44:56
definitely needs to do that next episode.
01:45:00
Hopefully, hopefully bar, I was, I was thinking because Mark has
01:45:04
his helmet shot and he and he fell into the water, so it's
01:45:09
like, it's the damage. Like, did he fucking even fuck
01:45:11
up titty, right? I'll be messed up.
01:45:17
Also, really, really quick weird.
01:45:19
Shout out to Oscar, Isaac for going on The Tonight, Show, and
01:45:24
improvising a whole song about a hippopotamus.
01:45:28
Which, which brave soul, which yet again, Marvel Marvel has
01:45:34
messed up and missed. A missed.
01:45:36
A blatant opportunity to have that song.
01:45:39
Play at the end of this episode, we already know what the hell,
01:45:45
why not? This is the last thing I thought
01:45:49
you was about the same. That's why I was like
01:45:50
hippopotamus. I don't remember the words.
01:45:54
I don't know. Aunt were going to be singing
01:45:57
singing like Like like we do. We don't know where it's like,
01:46:00
how many hippopotamus? Okay.
01:46:06
Well, I guess nobody else has anything to say.
01:46:10
We just got to run to this last 45 minutes to see if they do
01:46:15
everything that we need them to do to wrap this story line up
01:46:20
and maybe set up a second season or his appearance in a movie, or
01:46:27
being, but I really hope that this series is not the only time
01:46:31
we get to see this character because Oscar.
01:46:35
Isaac is amazing. However I will also say, if this
01:46:41
is the last time that we see this character, I probably
01:46:45
wouldn't be surprised either because I can imagine the toll
01:46:50
that this that playing this type of character takes on an actor.
01:46:55
You know, the the physicality of it V, just the switching between
01:47:01
the different personas and the different characteristics and
01:47:04
And the speech and the physical, you know, the physical way they
01:47:08
move and I'm sure that's taxing for somebody.
01:47:12
So he may not want to do this for longer than a six episode
01:47:18
Arc. He might be like, no, I'm too
01:47:20
tired, but he's really great at it and I really do hope we get
01:47:25
to see more of this character. So, or I should say these
01:47:29
characters. So, with that being said, that's
01:47:33
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