#marvel #whatif #MCU In a universe where the Emergence has torn apart the Earth, RiRi Williams does her best to save what's left of humanity from Quentin Beck and the White Vision. After her attempts fail in universe after universe, she finally gets some assistance from some unexpected allies. But will they be enough to help her break her losing streak?
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Anthony and Mike and we are discussing Season 2, episode 5
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of Marvel's What If series. And this is What If the
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Emergence destroyed the Earth. So here we go talking about the
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Eternals again. Yep.
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It really trying to push that and I don't know why since they
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ain't making another Eternals movie.
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It's like why y'all? Unless they're secretly trying,
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it's like it's almost like a bait and switch where they're
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like OK, we're not going to do another another movie, but
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here's some stuff just to see if you're still interested.
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If you're also interested, we might do another movie, but if
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you're not, then we're still not going to do another movie.
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Yeah, yeah. And it's interesting because all
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of this stuff and what if it's Canon to the MCU?
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This is like, OK, guys, what? What are we really doing?
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But before we get started, I want to offer Mike an apology.
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Mike, I actually have course corrected on how I feel about
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the show. It doesn't have anything to do
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with this episode being actually really, really good.
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It's more or less I sat down and I really thought about season
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one, season 2 and now season 3 that, you know, we've we keep
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having these overarching stories.
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And one of the issues I had with the show was that it wasn't like
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a traditional what if. And if I can continue to view it
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through that lens, the show continuously lets me down.
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But when I decide, you know what, it's really not about the
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what if part of it. This is really just these are
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just these are just a serial. It's a serialized stories.
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These are not one off with if episodes like that's sort of
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what my expectation was, But when I when I looked at it
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through a different lens of these are this.
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This is actually like a series of stories that actually amount
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to something. I I guess it's actually pretty
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good. I mean, it does what it's
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supposed to do these. And now I'm kind of realizing,
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because I know I'm skipping ahead to the end of the episode,
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where this season is really about the watcher fucking up,
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you know, because at the end of the episode I was like, oh, you
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done fucked up now. It's not, it's not necessarily
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him fucking up, it's him. From the other Watchers
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perspective, it is him fucking yeah.
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But it's just him. This is really, if you put it in
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perspective, this is all Peggy Carter's fault because he's the
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one that she's the one that got him interfering and saving her
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and her hearing him and and them just intermediate they're
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intermingling has really affected him.
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It's like if it wasn't for last season when he showed her the
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tree and all this other stuff and she ended up saving
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everything and talking to him on a consistent basis because
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before this, he never really talked to any anybody, anyone he
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watched. But like now since he's talking
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to him, he's starting to see humans differently and then see
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people that he used to watch and not care.
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Now he just now he cares. And that's just and he should
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have just minded his own damn business.
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Mind the business that made. You watch Peggy's fault, I think
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is not fair because Peggy is not the celestial being in this
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equation. And I don't think she would have
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heard him if he hadn't already been letting his guard down.
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So I think they put it on her and say it's her fault.
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I think that's I, I don't think that's fair.
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OK, 'cause I'll say that she was integral in in his downfall.
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OK, well, I won't even, I won't even go that cause again, that's
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I, I feel like that's laying blame at her feet when it's
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really all him. You know, apparently whatever
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his job is as a watcher, he is supposed to watch and observe.
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He's not supposed to interfere. And I feel like he's not
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supposed to have, he's not supposed to have any emotional
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thoughts, any emotional ties to any of these people that he's
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watching. And maybe for however many eons
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he was doing this, he was able to do that because there was not
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a singular person that kind of stood out to him in that way.
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OK, as far as Peggy Carter goes, I think just her being the
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person that she is and and not willing to sacrifice, not
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willing to give up, not willing to just kind of let things fall
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where they lie. Maybe that was something
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different enough for him and his observations of humankind to
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say, let me pay closer attention.
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Why is this person like this? And then it just kind of
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influenced him in that sense as far as him seeing the type of
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person she is and him, you know, rethinking like, OK, so if she's
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acting this differently from, I mean, if you think about it, in
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anything that we watch and that we consume when it comes to
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humankind and celestial beings or beings of otherworldly power
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or, you know, authority over humans, they always look down on
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humans as like an inferior species, one that's kind of not
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even noteworthy or we're just paying attention to them for
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whatever. But whenever you have a a, a, a
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human or person that kind of exceeds their expectations, it
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always makes them look differently at things.
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And I just think that that's kind of what's happened with the
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Watcher. Now, granted, him interfering
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that that's a little bit different.
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That's all on him. That has nothing to do with.
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Yeah, Peggy. That has nothing to do with it.
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Like in this episode is re re. I mean, I can imagine if you've
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watched the same scenario over and over and over and over and
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over and over and over and over over again, at some point, I
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think even the hardest of hearts would be like, I just can't do
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this anymore. And it's not like he literally
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lifted her out of her universe and put her somewhere else.
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What she has done? What she has done, he literally
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just basically it was a whisper on the wind, but it was enough
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to get her motivated so and. Speaking of whispers on the
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wind, if he had to keep his mouth shut, Infinity Ultron
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wouldn't have hurt his ass if he he.
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Likes the monologue. Who doesn't like the monologue
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in these situations? He's bored, he said.
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He'll watch everybody and. He's like, of course he's going
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to monologue. But that's what he did when
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Peggy Carter took no. In their, in their dialogue, In
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their dialogue, he. Doesn't think he can hear him.
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No one's been able to hear him for so long.
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He's like he can't hear me. And he's talking to us.
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Yeah, mistake. Look at this mistake.
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You just sit there like, look at this motherfucker.
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He done killed everything. What's he going to do now?
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He's like what? He's like what?
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Oh shit. But I mean, that's literally how
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it happened with Peggy Carter as well.
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Yeah, yeah, in the in the 16 O nine episode you was just like,
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what is she going to do now? Motherfucker, I can hear you.
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What? Right, right.
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But I just wanted to make sure that that was out there that I,
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I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm not not a fan of the show.
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I like the show now is, is my man Interesting.
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So I'm I'm, I'm back on board. I appreciate you, my brother.
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Wow. I'm not saying Michael's right.
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Not amazing. Bro, I'm just saying I'm not
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right. I'm not saying I'm right.
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That's fine. I'll I'll take this.
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I take it any way I can get it, so I accept.
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Thank you. OK, how nice.
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We are starting a new year off on a good note.
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OK, so let's talk about this episode because this is the
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second time that we have seen Riru Williams in the Marvel
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Cinematic Universe. The first time was in Black
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Panther Wakanda. And so as the title states, the
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emergence on this particular earth in this particular
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universe actually happened. And instead of destroying the
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Earth, it well, OK, let me let me change my words.
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Instead of completely destroying the Earth, like obliterating the
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entire earth, what it did was it shattered the earth into pieces.
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And apparently these people can still live on the pieces of the
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Earth that is there. And I was going, I was going
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through social media, not looking for any spoilery type
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thing on this. And I just happened to come
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across something in my news feed where there was an article, I
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believe it was on Screen Rant. And they were like, yeah, So
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what if just, they just basically copied a, a plot line
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from a non Canon Marvel property.
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And I was like, OK, So what did they say from Agents of SHIELD,
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'cause that's the, that's the big non Canon MCU property we
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always talk about. And then I thought about.
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I didn't. Even think.
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Yeah, yeah. I didn't even think about it.
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And then it's like when I was looking at new rock stars and
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they were like, yeah, this is almost the same thing at Quake
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to nature. So I was like, oh fuck it is.
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Where you have pieces of the earth and you have people who
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are still living on it. But The thing is, we also get to
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see White Vision in this particular one.
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And the main antagonist of this episode is Quentin Beck AKA
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Mysterio. Or.
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AI still have for record. I'm still have an issue with
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them pulling these obscure random characters which the
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stereo's. Not obscure.
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But for your average for your average.
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Person for your average person who's gone to watch the if you
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were trying to pull people into the TV shows who basically have
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only watched the movies and they may not.
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They may have only watched The Avengers movies for the most
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part and not seen the last Spider Man, which I wouldn't
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fault them for, but not the last one, the one before it.
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Which one was that one? That was homecoming, wasn't it?
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No, it was. Far from home.
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It was far from home. If you hadn't seen far from
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home, then you'd be like, who the fuck?
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Who the fuck is it? You know, like who is this?
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And then white vision, like I guess ran in the random order of
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things. It doesn't really matter who
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white vision is. You don't know.
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You won't make that association unless you've seen what, but I
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guess again, in fairness, if you're watching with if you've
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probably watched most of the TV shows, so then you probably have
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an idea. But still, I'm just saying.
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Yeah, 'cause even the leader of the alliance in this one was
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that I was trying to figure out where her character is from, and
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I think 1 of you mentioned that might have been Shang Shi's.
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Yeah, that's not she's on and. I was like.
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In hello. Yeah.
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Hermitage. Oh no.
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Wrong. Wrong Sir, wrong movie.
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Wait, what? I say Karnataka.
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No, that's wrong. Or.
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Something. Yeah, that's.
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Wrong who? Was also in this but yeah so
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anyway you you have this earth that's been destroyed by the
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emergence and Quentin Beck Mysterio has control of white
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vision and. OK, this is all the science
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stuff, I'm not going to explain it right One of y'all explain
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exactly what Mysterio was doing with all of the the nanites and
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all this other stuff 'cause that's like the.
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Nanites help them control everything basically.
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Well, you you remember in that you watch Far from Home, right?
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Yes. Vaguely.
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See, that's what I'm saying, yes.
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You remember Far from Home and a lot of Tony's tech was
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holographic projectors. Oh, yes, yes, OK.
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And that and put that with the nano tech that Tony came up with
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later, you put that all together and that and Quinn Beck is
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taking all that over. So he's using the Tano tech in
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tandem with the holograph for projectors.
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OK. And shout, shout to them for
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making, making old Mysterio a really Marvel's really weird
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version of Palpatine 'cause he's like sitting there like kind of
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hooded and just like killed the Empire crushed them.
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I was just waiting for him to say say execute order 66 really.
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And I mean, that's basically what he did.
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It's. Basically what he did, yeah.
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So basically the whole premise of this is every time that this
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happens, where the emergence destroys the Earth and you know,
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Quentin Beck is trying to control the Earth and doing all
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this other stuff. RiRi Williams, that's going to
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be that's. A mouthful.
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RiRi basically as, as the watcher says, she tries to take
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her way out of everything. And I think that's one of Mike's
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favorite phrases is like she's trying to take her way out of
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everything. She's trying to fix it so that
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she can defeat him. She can kind of restore, I
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guess, a little bit of order. But the problem is it never
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works. She always gets defeated.
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And the Watcher, you know, basically is lamenting the fact
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that he has to continuously watch her fail over and over
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again. He's like basically it's, it's
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just going to, you know, it's going to keep repeating itself.
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And so he. He said then he's saying every
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iteration of this universe she fails, which echo the same thing
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about every iteration of strangers universe he couldn't
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save. What's her name?
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Christine. Is it Christine?
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It's a fixed point in time, yeah.
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So in this one, here we go again.
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We're starting again at the beginning.
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She's trying to obtain different types of materials so that she
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can do what she needs to do to try to defeat Quentin and his
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holograms and his nanites and all this other stuff.
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And it's so interesting because they brought Sharon Carter in to
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be one of these things, negotiating with her for a
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fucking Easy Bake Oven. Really.
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But anyway, I'm, I mean, hey, if she can, if she can do something
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awesome with the Easy Bake Oven, I'm not going to, you know, I'm
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not going to look down on that. But of course, the Sharon Carter
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that we find is is a fake. It's one of the white visions
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droids, I guess. No, no, no, no, no.
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No. No, no, she's real.
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Was she real? No, she said something about it
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being about her being fake. No, the droids, some of the some
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of the droids that were after her were fake.
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But Sharon was real 'cause she punched her in the face with
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that Easy Bake Oven and got the little thing that she needed out
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of it. Yeah, she I understand you.
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She was 100. Percent real, yeah.
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If she wasn't real, she wouldn't got punched in the face like
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that. She's real, she's working for
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Bank. OK, but see, I thought, OK,
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maybe I was reading that wrong because I, I remember her saying
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something about one thing, about such and such.
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She said you get to know what things are real and what's fake.
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And that was when she hit her in the face was 'cause she was
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saying that that Sharon was fake.
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It was one of the bots. Maybe a fake?
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I thought she. Was being fake ally?
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White Vision was menacing as fucking this.
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Like I don't I don't even want to watch Vision quest now 'cause
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I don't want shit else to do with him.
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Like that motherfucker was, I mean when he comes, she was like
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please be fake. And he grabbed her up by the
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neck and it was like. She's like, not fake, not fake,
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not fake. Yeah, like he was not playing at
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all of this episode. Like when he went through the
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Titanic, I was just like, that's some.
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Was that the Titanic? Was that supposed to be the
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Titanic? No, it set it on the boat
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Titanic. I I didn't see it.
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I didn't see that part because I was looking at it.
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I said, wow, it almost looks like the Titanic.
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But for me that wouldn't have made sense.
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Like why would the Titanic be there and the Titanic sunk?
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But again. There's no, there's no more
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water. So yeah.
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Another water is gone. Everything underwater is now
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above water basically. Duh.
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Yeah. OK.
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Yeah, you're right. OK.
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It says when you, when you look at it again, when they reveal
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it, it's on the bow of the ship. It says Titanic on there.
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OK. And he was going diagonally down
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through the down through the floors.
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I was just like, fuck that. No, no.
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So yeah, looking at White Vision in this episode, I was just kind
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of like, is this who we are waiting to see?
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Because I don't know that I necessarily want to see him
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being this terrorizing. I don't think he's going to be
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terrorizing. I don't think he's going to be.
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He's going to be, yeah, confused, mostly.
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Yeah, because this is this is him right after one division.
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So he's basically going around trying to find himself.
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So it's not going to be a ultraviolet one, it's just going
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to be him asking questions and and spouting philosophy
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basically. Well, my fear is going to be a
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Frankenstein story, but that's neither here nor there.
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You know what? You what now?
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Nothing. I heard you.
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I mean, OK, Yeah. He was he was scary in this one,
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but you know when when he's fighting re re and it looks like
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she's about to be defeated, she gets saved by this group called
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the alliance and it has what was Chung?
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He has Wang. What's the?
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Yan name. Wang, Valkyrie.
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Akoye. Akoye.
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That's it. Yeah, so you have this group and
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they're this alliance and it's like a a group of people that
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are also trying to defeat Quintin Beck.
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And they've also been watching re read and they know what she's
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trying to do. And they're like yeah, we can
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offer you resources and assistance because you need
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this, this, this and this and you've been trying to do this,
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this and this and we have this this miss.
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And she was like, oh, so y'all been like stalking me?
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They're like yeah, we're stalking you before.
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A good reason. And so like you said, Mike, they
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do take her to which I see now in the background is the
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Titanic, which is their base. And they give her.
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They basically have set up this whole lab with everything that
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she would need in order to make this weapon or make this suit or
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whatever it is that she's trying to do, because I think what she
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had planned on doing ended up changing.
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Once they had white vision and she had his, his parts and his
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pieces, she was able to make herself a suit and technology to
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where she could see through the holograms and she could see what
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was real, what was fate, and she thought that she'd be able to
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go. Oh, wait, wait, wait.
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No, She did. She have was this way.
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She didn't make a suit, right? That's why I said or the tech,
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the technology to create like. Well, she turned herself into a
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synthesoid, A human synthesoid. Yeah, she's basically a a semi
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human version, a more human version of Vision.
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Yeah, she's the same as Vision, but more human than robot.
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OK, again, this is a little too sciencey for me.
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She's like a Cyborg with nanite technology.
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OK, that OK, that makes sense that.
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Makes sense. Yeah, she's a Cyborg with nanite
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technology. OK.
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I don't want I'd see. I was like when she was doing
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this. I was just like this cannot end
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well like you. Well, the the first sign that it
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cannot end well is that basis of operations of the Titanic, like
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the symbol of lost causes. Basically no.
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And when she was creating the tech to to turn herself, they
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were on the run because Vision 'cause they had to destroy it,
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destroy it because vision basically killed everyone else
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in the alliance. Is is basically not just them,
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'cause they killed everyone else on that belt and it's like, and
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you're, you're still on there. Like, OK, I'm gonna turn myself
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into this and I'm like. And she had to do it in 7
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minutes. Excuse me?
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Oh, that was fun and. 1/2 minutes.
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How many how long do you need? About 2024 hours.
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Like alright, you got 7 hour minutes.
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Yeah, I love, I love how she responds.
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She was while she was talking. It reminded me of her and
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Wakanda forever when when the when the FBI came, she was like,
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I know he could just create then then go ahead create create just
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new tech in 7 minutes. What could fucking go wrong
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could possibly go wrong. And I'm like.
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Yeah, I know. I, I, my mind went to the
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episode of Star Trek The Next Generation where Scotty told
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Jordy. Never tell them how much time
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it's actually going to take you, because then they believe you
00:22:31
can work miracles. Exactly.
00:22:33
Then they'll cut it in half. Well, I mean.
00:22:35
This would be like, yeah, say way more time than you actually
00:22:39
need. Then I'm like OK, give you like.
00:22:41
Yeah, because she didn't say 24 hours.
00:22:43
I think her, I think her what she said was two weeks.
00:22:45
Two weeks. Yeah, two weeks.
00:22:47
And they were like, you have 7 1/2 minutes.
00:22:49
What what I think Tony Stark would have even boxed it that
00:22:53
like not even a full 10 but. About 12 hours.
00:23:01
Yeah, no. He said I need 12 hours and
00:23:03
they're like, oh, set up minutes.
00:23:04
That's not long. The Vishanti protection spell is
00:23:06
going to hold. Yeah, but he went.
00:23:09
To Vishanti, shut out. If you hadn't seen Doctor
00:23:14
Strange the Multiverse, it would mean nothing to you.
00:23:17
But whatever. Yeah, all you do, you see Wong,
00:23:21
you know, it's wizardry stuff. Be like, alright, cool.
00:23:23
He's he's going to put a sense of protection shit.
00:23:25
And then he gives them the the Vishanti armor, armor of
00:23:29
goodness. I was like, oh shit, Nope.
00:23:31
It's just like in the finale of Season 1.
00:23:37
Oh, yeah, yeah. But yeah.
00:23:42
So, oh, yeah, she tries to, as they say, take her way out of
00:23:45
this and doesn't go quite as planned.
00:23:50
You know, she's able to she's able to see through the
00:23:53
holograms and she's able to get down on the ground and, and you
00:23:57
know, her, her four people from the Alliance there doing what
00:24:00
they can to fight things off. And then this is where it gets a
00:24:04
little murky for me because I've only watched the episode twice.
00:24:08
And I'm like, so when they were down there on the ground and
00:24:12
they were fighting, was that really them?
00:24:15
And were they really alive at that time or had they already
00:24:17
been killed? Because the way Quintin Beck
00:24:19
kind of presented it to her towards the end of the episode,
00:24:23
I was like, oh, so you was down there defending nothing?
00:24:27
No, she was he when when he hit her and she fell to the ground.
00:24:33
I think he started the he started the illusion then.
00:24:37
OK, that's what. OK, that's what I was wondering.
00:24:39
Yeah, because when she woke up and saw, saw Ying Nan, Ying Nan,
00:24:42
she that was a that was fake because she's the one that
00:24:45
followed her into his lair and she tried to switch, then she
00:24:47
disappeared. So it's like, so he he actually,
00:24:50
he actually did a double layered illusion.
00:24:53
Like there's the one illusion where she's in his lair and he
00:24:57
and she fights him, but then there's the other illusion where
00:25:00
she wasn't even in there. She was she she basically didn't
00:25:03
go anywhere. Yeah, he basically he, she was
00:25:06
knocked out and he he made an illusion where she was right
00:25:09
there. And I'm not even sure if when
00:25:11
she was fighting, she wasn't actually fighting them and
00:25:15
killing them herself. Like I'm not sure I I.
00:25:19
You know, right? I can't, I can't even, I can't
00:25:22
even wrap my head around that. You.
00:25:23
Know what I'm saying? It's like.
00:25:24
Yeah, he basically pulled an inception.
00:25:27
Yeah, or what? Well, it was something I saw.
00:25:30
I know I've seen something where this this kind of thing happened
00:25:33
where someone had given him an illusion and they were actually
00:25:36
killing the people. It's just like, it was one
00:25:38
thing. It was a it was a run of X-Men,
00:25:40
and no one knows. If you haven't read the comics,
00:25:42
it's like where Logan was under under someone's mind control and
00:25:47
he was for use. He thought he was fighting, he
00:25:50
was fighting enemies, but he was actually killing all the X-Men.
00:25:53
Oh, Ouch. So I mean something like that
00:25:57
where he had such control over it could be I'm not sure.
00:26:00
Now I'm not saying this happened but but by the time you looked,
00:26:03
it's like because she was punching those mysterios hard as
00:26:06
fuck. So it could have been where they
00:26:08
were like RiRi snap out of it and she just turned around and
00:26:11
beat there should be the shadow because she's basically Vision
00:26:13
so she can hit them as hard as Vision was hitting everyone else
00:26:16
on the boat. My only thing is he would have
00:26:19
used that and showed her that. Yeah, I I can't agree with you
00:26:24
on that. Yeah, he would.
00:26:26
He would have shown her. Well, he didn't show her that.
00:26:28
He just. Showed her the dead.
00:26:30
He just showed her them dead. But I think it would have had
00:26:34
more of a Yeah, it would have had more of an impact, Yeah.
00:26:38
If he had been replanting like, yeah, well, you know what?
00:26:41
You were the ones who actually, you were the one who actually
00:26:43
killed your friends. Yeah.
00:26:45
I think that would have had more of an emotional impact.
00:26:48
And I think if something like that would have happened, I
00:26:52
think the Watcher probably would have made mention of it when he
00:26:54
started doing his monologue. Yeah.
00:26:57
You know, instead of just saying, oh, here it comes again.
00:27:00
Here we go again. I can't watch this.
00:27:02
I can't. Now, Mike is not beyond the
00:27:05
realm of possibility that there was at least one universe where
00:27:09
that actually happened. That's true because I mean, he,
00:27:13
he's watched this millions of times.
00:27:14
I mean, the hazard happened at least two or three times.
00:27:16
Yeah, Yeah. Or even if that was the the
00:27:20
case, if she was the one who actually killed him in this one,
00:27:25
that could have probably been what spurred him to say
00:27:28
something to her so that she could hear him.
00:27:31
Like maybe he was just like, OK, this is just too much.
00:27:33
Like it's bad enough her world is destroyed.
00:27:37
It's bad enough that you know she's about to be defeated and
00:27:41
her friends are gone, but it it would be even worse if she was
00:27:44
the reason why her friends were gone.
00:27:46
And maybe that was just him being like, you know what, I
00:27:49
can't do this shit no more. And that's why he's telling her,
00:27:53
get up, get up. I need you to fight through
00:27:54
this. So that could be it too.
00:27:57
But either way it goes, the Watcher intervenes.
00:28:03
And then we find out that there's a whole council of
00:28:06
Watchers led by Lucius Malfoy, AKA Jason Isaacs.
00:28:12
Eminence. Eminence.
00:28:15
And I was like, I was kind of like Anthony when you see that
00:28:20
and they're like, what the hell is he doing?
00:28:22
I was like, oh this is not good. Yeah, it was reminding me of oh,
00:28:29
you, you're fucked up now. Right.
00:28:32
You're fucked up now. Right, 'cause it was reminding
00:28:35
me of the time was Time Watchers, the Time Lords in
00:28:43
Loki. Time variance authority.
00:28:45
Yeah, the the, the. 3. Oh the yeah, the what do they
00:28:50
call? Yeah, I.
00:28:51
Think I would never call. Me too, I think.
00:28:54
There were Time Lords, yeah. So yeah, that's what it reminded
00:28:58
me of. So when he spoke and they were
00:29:01
like, what's he doing? I don't know.
00:29:05
But you know, he's gone too far this time.
00:29:08
They're like, you mean further than the last time he went too
00:29:11
far. And I was just like, oh, this is
00:29:14
about to be some problems. Because the way that they've
00:29:20
kind of fashioned this show, and this is for those of us who are
00:29:24
uninitiated with the comics and know nothing about what, if you
00:29:29
kind of think that the Watcher is the supreme Being like he is,
00:29:36
he is the highest of the high, and that's the reason why he's
00:29:40
watching over everything. But then to find out that not
00:29:44
only is he not the highest of the high, but there are three
00:29:48
other people whose authority he is supposed to be yielding to
00:29:52
and whose rules he's supposed to be following.
00:29:55
I was just like, yeah, barely. The top five?
00:29:59
Well, if you if you were kind of a fan of what if and and marvel
00:30:03
the comic books, you know, he's not watch who's not the only
00:30:07
one. So.
00:30:08
Even in the in the first Guardians of the Galaxy with
00:30:11
their the Stan Lee cameo in there was him talking to to the
00:30:13
watchers like him sitting him sitting on in on an asteroid and
00:30:17
the watchers all around him and just talking.
00:30:19
So you knew. So yeah.
00:30:23
Yeah, it's a deep cut. Go back.
00:30:24
And watch we. Got to go back and re watch some
00:30:26
of this stuff because I'm like what?
00:30:28
When did that happen? It.
00:30:30
Has been a while since I've seen that movie, so I.
00:30:33
Was going to say the time keepers started the TVA.
00:30:38
The time Keepers founded the TVA air quotes for those listening
00:30:45
air quotes around founded. But yeah, so it's like now you
00:30:51
have not only this situation with Rhode Island, Rhode Island
00:30:55
and Quinton Beck, which wants a while to kind of or the watcher
00:31:00
because he doesn't really use his name in this season yet.
00:31:04
We we heard it in previous season.
00:31:07
But once he kind of, I don't know, breathes new life into
00:31:11
Rhode Island, Rhode Island, and she's able to figure out how to
00:31:15
defeat Quentin Bait, you've got that fight happening over here.
00:31:19
But then you've got, like I said, now, now you've got this
00:31:22
little mystery and this little intrigue over here with the
00:31:27
Watcher and these other watches. And I'm just like, so when they
00:31:34
get ready to punish him because you know they're going to punish
00:31:38
him, are they going to punish just him or are they going to
00:31:42
punish everybody that he has helped and everybody that those
00:31:47
people helped to, to kind of, I don't know, bring balance to the
00:31:53
universe or to. I assume I would assume they
00:31:57
would just remove him from the equation so they can go about
00:32:00
their business. Right, so that this won't happen
00:32:03
again. So what happened again?
00:32:06
I mean, this is. They don't want to, but it's
00:32:08
like, I mean, this is they're, they're basically going to have
00:32:12
to. If he's interfering with
00:32:13
something, they're going to have to interfere with his
00:32:15
interference. So it's like they just, they got
00:32:19
to figure something out if they want to, yeah.
00:32:22
But you would think that if if that was.
00:32:25
To minimize the minimize the effect that he's had based on
00:32:29
his interference, you don't do more interference.
00:32:33
You just remove him from all the situations.
00:32:36
Yeah, and just then let everything continue as it's
00:32:40
supposed to. But you would think that they
00:32:42
would have done that when he interfered in last season.
00:32:48
Well, you also have to remember they can kind of see how
00:32:51
everything is supposed to be and how everything is supposed to
00:32:54
work out. So his little minor
00:32:58
interferences wasn't that big of an issue to them probably.
00:33:04
But it's one of the things where you you're doing 1 little thing
00:33:09
here, 1 little thing there, and the supervisor's like, I'll just
00:33:14
deal with it. But then after a while you're
00:33:16
like, OK, I'm tired of this. We're done.
00:33:18
Yeah, but, but yeah, but at that point the problem has gotten
00:33:22
bigger. Well, the reason why this one
00:33:25
was a problem was in every universe that she she was doing
00:33:31
this and she's failed. So he made a significant change
00:33:37
in one in in one universe. So this thing is also.
00:33:42
Go ahead, Mike. This is basically what he was
00:33:44
getting on Strange on Strange about the first time we met him
00:33:48
because he was trying to change keep her alive, which is a fixed
00:33:51
point in time which he couldn't do.
00:33:53
Rebe's death is the same thing and he just did what he told
00:33:56
Strange not to do. And I think, yeah, that's the
00:33:59
thing that I'm kind of like. And and the watchers don't want
00:34:02
that to be become habit where he's just like fucking up fixed
00:34:05
points in time. And that that could that could
00:34:08
be making even bigger, bigger thing to go.
00:34:11
That could happen. That could be very destructive
00:34:14
to all universes. So if you go around fucking up
00:34:18
fixed points in time, what is time?
00:34:23
Yeah, well, time is a construct created by.
00:34:25
The I knew that was coming. I knew that, Sir.
00:34:28
Yes, you're right, Sir. Yeah.
00:34:32
But yeah, yeah, he's, he's basically going back and doing
00:34:35
stuff that he's basically doing. He's doing, he's doing the do
00:34:38
what I say, not as I do, as far as strange goes.
00:34:41
Yeah, yeah. OK.
00:34:45
Alright. SO question the RiRi Williams
00:34:50
that we saw in this episode and the way that she is kind of like
00:34:54
her determination, her refusal to accept failure, that sort of
00:34:58
thing, is that indicative of her personality and that is that
00:35:02
what we can expect to see from her in the Iron Heart series,
00:35:06
basically? Yeah.
00:35:09
She's going to try. She'll try to take her way out
00:35:11
of everything. So yes.
00:35:12
Now, is she going to be reckless with it?
00:35:14
Because we we all know Tony Stark.
00:35:17
We love Tony Stark, but. She's a kid, yes.
00:35:20
Yeah, she's a she's in her early journeys, of course she is.
00:35:23
Does she even know what reckless means?
00:35:27
Do you? Do you know anyone under 35 who
00:35:29
isn't reckless? Right.
00:35:33
I mean, it's like, I mean, basically we're going to see how
00:35:35
she was. She's going to be bold like she
00:35:38
was in Wakanda Forever and she's going to just go and do all
00:35:42
kinds of shit. I'm thinking from seeing the
00:35:44
previews, like she's going to be into some kind of some kind of
00:35:49
like questionable shit too. So it'll be interesting to see
00:35:53
how she did. And Tony Stark is damn near 50
00:35:57
years old and he's still regular reckless.
00:36:00
This is Tony Stark we kind of expected from him.
00:36:03
Look. Because he's always trying to,
00:36:08
you know, Tony Stark is one of those people that like, has
00:36:11
significant daddy issues. He's always trying to outdo his
00:36:15
old man. He's trying to be better.
00:36:17
He's trying to, you know, so we can expect it from him.
00:36:21
All the characters in Marvel Comics who are genius level
00:36:28
intellects. Reed Richards, Bruce Banner,
00:36:32
Tony Stark. They drive on casts.
00:36:35
They're all reckless. Even Siri and to child to some
00:36:42
extent, you know, Amadeus Chow Chow, they're they're all
00:36:47
reckless. Yeah, OK.
00:36:52
They really are Henry Pimm. Reckless Kank Pimm is the king
00:36:56
of all that shit. Like he is just the worst at it.
00:37:00
I'm so glad we are not seeing him in this season so far.
00:37:04
He is the absolute worst. OK.
00:37:12
OK, favorite part of this episode for you guys?
00:37:16
What was it? I like her when she was
00:37:21
navigating on on Beck's asteroid, like flying and
00:37:25
telling and like leaving them and then following her and her
00:37:28
telling what's fake and stuff. Her whole personification as as
00:37:32
like a vision kind of that whole personification was dope as fuck
00:37:35
to me. Like I loved all that,
00:37:37
especially on the ship when she first when she first integrated
00:37:40
it and she floated up through the deck, I was like, OK, that's
00:37:43
bad. Free badass.
00:37:44
My my favorite part was they were on the ship Valkyrie was
00:37:48
using and there were no goats pulling the ship.
00:37:51
My my favorite part no. It's been 2 years, let the goats
00:38:02
go. You not know me whenever I ever
00:38:04
let anything go. Whenever I ever let anything go.
00:38:08
That's. Perfect.
00:38:11
That was not the answer. I.
00:38:17
Was expecting. Oh, that was really good.
00:38:21
That is hilarious. What's yours I.
00:38:25
Don't even know where to go after that.
00:38:29
Again, I had to use an obscure reference.
00:38:32
And you know, if no one's seen Love and Thunder, lucky you,
00:38:38
lucky you, that's all I can say. Lucky you.
00:38:42
And do not go look at it just because I feel that.
00:38:45
You can't. You can't alienate our audience
00:38:47
that like scopes. You can't do that anything.
00:38:50
Or our audience that likes love and Thunder because there was
00:38:53
some people who liked it then. Y'all are listening to the wrong
00:38:56
show. No, they're just no, because I
00:39:00
believe we were firmly split down the middle with that.
00:39:03
If you guys want to check it out, we did do a Love and
00:39:06
Thunder episode. Go check it out.
00:39:09
I think we were quite split on that one.
00:39:12
Yeah, I think Mike was split right down the middle, so I'm
00:39:15
not mistaken. Yeah, I was, I'm, I'm, I'm still
00:39:18
kind of mad about it. It's like there are parts I
00:39:21
really like, there are parts I didn't like, and it just dragged
00:39:24
to. Me.
00:39:24
But you didn't have a problem with the goats?
00:39:26
I don't think I didn't care. I really didn't.
00:39:32
OK. We have three more episodes and
00:39:38
just judging from the titles, I think the next episode does not
00:39:44
really have anything to do with the Watcher.
00:39:45
But he will figure heavily in the last two episodes of the
00:39:51
season. And then that's going to be it
00:39:52
for what? If So, you know, we were talking
00:39:58
I think in the last episode about how some of these stories
00:40:02
are. Are going to converge and, and
00:40:06
have big specific meanings for the the final two episodes or at
00:40:11
least the final episode. And I, I just, I don't know if I
00:40:18
think with the first two seasons, you got to see where
00:40:22
most of those characters had something to do with the season
00:40:26
finales for those two. And I just don't know if all of
00:40:30
these characters are going to make it to the end of this
00:40:33
series. I think some of these are kind
00:40:35
of like what Anthony said. They're just one off.
00:40:37
I think we were just meant to see these characters be
00:40:40
introduced to them for what reason, I don't know.
00:40:43
Like, like we said, the fact that they keep bringing them in
00:40:47
for the, you know, they keep bringing in all the stuff that
00:40:49
happened in the Eternals is kind of interesting, I think because
00:40:54
again, they're not moving forward with Eternals too.
00:40:57
But also we do see little bits and pieces of the Eternals kind
00:41:04
of popping up because I forgot what it was that we saw.
00:41:09
Maybe it was the Captain America teaser trailer that first came
00:41:13
out where there was a a newspaper article and you saw
00:41:16
something about Tiamat kind of over in the side.
00:41:19
And then of course, you see Tiamat a little bit more in the
00:41:23
trailer for Captain America because like you said, they're
00:41:27
going to be getting, I think you said Adam and Tim from TMN.
00:41:32
So I guess they're just trying to familiarize people.
00:41:37
But again, if you are a show watcher and not a movie watcher,
00:41:41
why does that matter? But.
00:41:43
If you're a movie watcher and not a show watcher, then yeah.
00:41:49
Yeah, but like you said, if you're watching what if, chances
00:41:52
are you're probably like us and you're watching both.
00:41:57
I think, I think one of the things they're they're hoping to
00:42:02
do is to introduce us to the idea of alternate characters
00:42:07
from alternate universes. Because when it comes to Secret
00:42:11
Wars, I think that's going to play a part of it because we got
00:42:14
a lot of it in the pool. Wolverine we got it in
00:42:21
Multiverse of Madness. We got it in The Way Home.
00:42:28
So they're they're expanding on this idea of you're going to see
00:42:34
and we're going to have characters play a major part of
00:42:39
of, you know, what's coming up, you know, even with Kane and all
00:42:43
the variants of Kane that that we've talked about.
00:42:48
So I think I think this was sort of a backdoor way because this
00:42:53
is how we got paid. Carter, Agent.
00:42:56
You know Captain Carter, we got her and we see her in those
00:43:01
Multiverse of Madness. Like, oh.
00:43:04
You know. So I, I think this, this is sort
00:43:09
of an amalgam of, of everything that Marvel's trying to do when
00:43:14
it comes to what they want to do with the multiverse.
00:43:17
Because of course, you know, Doctor, one thing they're going
00:43:21
to have to figure out, they're going to have to figure out the
00:43:23
fix for the problem. They say it was created by
00:43:28
people going back and forth. I forgot what they called it,
00:43:32
but I think that's what the point of Secret Wars is going to
00:43:35
be, is to show how how we are able to fix this issue going
00:43:41
back and forth causes the whole universe to collapse.
00:43:44
So, you know, we'll we'll see and we'll see how the TVA plays
00:43:48
a part in that. And they've already established
00:43:50
that we have all these branching timelines and branching
00:43:53
realities and branching universe universes.
00:43:57
Yeah. I just think it's we're, we're
00:43:59
just being prepped for it. What if So what if it's been
00:44:04
this huge prep for this phase of Marvel that we're going into.
00:44:09
OK, OK. And it would help, you know, I,
00:44:14
I, I don't like they do this, but it will help people who only
00:44:17
watch the movies to actually have watched some of these TV
00:44:20
shows to kind of see where, where they're going with this.
00:44:25
Yeah, and I think eventually that may end up happening.
00:44:29
It's OK. One of two things will happen.
00:44:32
The people who are moving only viewers, they, they will either
00:44:37
get frustrated or curious enough to say, OK, I don't know what's
00:44:41
going on. I don't know about these
00:44:43
characters. Let me go back and see what's
00:44:45
going on. Or at least they'll go back and
00:44:48
maybe go to YouTube and and look at a summary video, try to find
00:44:52
out. Or they're going to get
00:44:54
frustrated at these quote UN quote obscure references and be
00:44:58
like, OK, you know what? I'm done.
00:45:00
Because again, the audience that they have right now, I feel like
00:45:06
is not the same audience they have for the Infinity Saga.
00:45:09
Because after the Infinity Saga, a lot of people, especially if
00:45:13
they're casual Marvel fans or if they're just movie only fans,
00:45:18
you're bringing in all these new characters that they don't
00:45:22
really have a emotional connection to.
00:45:24
And it's, it's kind of hard to get that.
00:45:28
Again, like we said, you're introducing properties and then
00:45:32
because they don't do as well as you want at the box office or
00:45:35
whatever the case may be, you know, legal troubles, blah,
00:45:38
blah, blah. You're not building on these
00:45:41
characters. You're not giving people time to
00:45:45
get an emotional, an emotional attachment to them.
00:45:48
And they're just giving up. They're just like, OK, you know
00:45:50
what? It's, it's not Iron Man, it's
00:45:52
not Thor, it's not Captain America.
00:45:54
I don't care. So one of those two things is
00:45:57
going to happen. People are either going to be
00:46:00
interested enough to go back and watch the TV shows or they're
00:46:03
just going to give up all together, which will be a
00:46:05
problem because if people start losing interest or start losing
00:46:10
more interest, I would say then you got a problem because that
00:46:16
will mean that will lead to more properties not being completed
00:46:21
or being cancelled or being indefinitely postponed.
00:46:26
And then you know. Well, and, and what's going to
00:46:29
happen when people who this is facing the majority of the
00:46:35
audience who paid to go see Avengers and Avengers end game,
00:46:40
they have only gone to see The Avengers movies that, that
00:46:44
that's where all the money is coming from.
00:46:46
What about those those people who didn't go see Far from Home
00:46:50
and No Way Home and didn't see the Multiverse of Madness and
00:46:57
they don't have a cool and then they go into an Avengers movie
00:47:01
and then there's or seen Deadpool Wolverine.
00:47:04
Let's just assume they didn't. And then they go see the next
00:47:08
Avengers movie and then there's a Deadpool Spider Man, you know,
00:47:13
or, or you know, a Thor Storm or Captain Carter.
00:47:21
And it's not. And they're looking and they're
00:47:23
like, what? What is this?
00:47:25
You know. What I mean, and, and we, me,
00:47:28
you and Mike were like, Oh yeah, go, go.
00:47:31
And then the rest of the audience is sitting there like,
00:47:35
what the fuck is this shit? You know?
00:47:39
And I think that might be, I, I hope not, but I feel, I feel
00:47:45
like that's what's going to happen, that people are waiting
00:47:50
for an Avengers movie and then they go to an Avengers movie and
00:47:54
they're and, and it's weird. Killmonger is a Black Panther.
00:47:59
Like what? What is going on here, You know
00:48:02
and so you know. But I'm just saying that's such
00:48:05
a sad way to live, though. I mean, it's like, I can't
00:48:08
every, every time, every time we start talking about things like
00:48:11
this, I'm like, how do people like, I can't imagine.
00:48:15
It's like the way I get mad at people not knowing certain
00:48:18
things and like when I know, know about certain things like
00:48:21
in the comic or in movies or in the show and now and other
00:48:24
people are like, huh. And I'm just like, you know,
00:48:27
this is sad. Like I'm past the point where
00:48:30
people like, like people used to think nerds were sad because
00:48:33
they were into all this and they were like, just just like
00:48:36
mentally like focused on everything that happened in the
00:48:40
comics and everything else like that.
00:48:41
But now it's like, first I'm just like, how do you people
00:48:44
live? I just.
00:48:46
Don't understand. Well, I mean, that's kind of
00:48:48
like how I feel about certain things too.
00:48:51
And that's something that Anthony and Michelle have
00:48:53
constantly had tried to tell me. They're like Hanukkah.
00:48:57
People are not always going to be on your level or on our level
00:49:00
or on like, you know, among my friends, I'm kind of like top
00:49:05
tier when it comes to nerdy stuff among my let's say non
00:49:11
nerdy or casual nerdy friends. But among like people like you
00:49:15
and Anthony, I'm kind of mid level because I'm there, I can
00:49:19
keep up with y'all, but y'all have comic book knowledge that I
00:49:22
may not necessarily have, you know.
00:49:25
So it's kind of like there's levels to this shit and it just
00:49:29
depends on who you're talking to.
00:49:31
But I'm the same way, like especially with, you know, The
00:49:35
Walking Dead is one of one of my big phantoms.
00:49:38
And I know there are people who only watch the main show.
00:49:41
They don't care about the spin offs.
00:49:42
And you know, it gets frustrating to me because when I
00:49:46
have debates with people about certain characters, Negan is one
00:49:50
of them. People are only talking about
00:49:53
him as far as what he was in the main show.
00:49:58
And I'm like, Negan has a whole whole other side to him that is
00:50:04
being explored in the spinoff, that was explored in the extra
00:50:08
episodes of Season 10, which I know there are some people who
00:50:12
didn't watch those episodes. And I'm just like, how do you
00:50:15
consider yourself a fan? But that's not fair to them
00:50:19
because they may not have the level of interest in it that I
00:50:22
have or that we have for certain things like these Marvel things.
00:50:27
I remember when they announced Disney Plus, we're going to do
00:50:30
Marvel TV shows and block. We were like, oh, bring it on
00:50:33
that there can't be too much. But again, we're starting to see
00:50:37
there can be too much, especially if you are not
00:50:40
properly developing the characters and the stories that
00:50:46
you're telling. Or, you know, if you keep trying
00:50:49
to make everything tie into the bigger pitch picture, like
00:50:53
everything doesn't need to tie into the bigger picture.
00:50:57
We can have something that's a marble property that has nothing
00:51:01
to do with the multiverse, that has nothing to do with any of
00:51:03
this stuff and it'll be OK. But if you try to over saturate
00:51:08
and make everything connect and then things start to get a
00:51:11
little sloppy, it's going to be like do y'all really need to do
00:51:16
that? And I will say this, Marvin
00:51:18
Marvel better time. Marvin Marvel better tighten
00:51:27
their shit. They better get their shit
00:51:29
together before James Gunn releases his Superman movie,
00:51:33
because with him being at DC, he's already announced, you
00:51:39
know, they've already released the trailer for his Superman
00:51:42
movie. He's announced casting for his
00:51:45
Supergirl movie, which now includes Jason Momoa.
00:51:50
Boy. If if Marvel don't get their
00:51:52
shit together. James.
00:51:56
Johnson is going to do what he did with garlic, the Guardians
00:51:59
of the Galaxy, for Marvel. He's going to do that with the
00:52:01
DC. He's already started.
00:52:03
It's like with creature Commandos.
00:52:05
It's like creature Commandos, like everybody, everybody who's
00:52:07
watched his loved that shit. So it's like he's on because
00:52:11
he's he's doing that shit again, just like he did with Guardian.
00:52:13
He's like, he gets things that are kind of obscure and he
00:52:16
builds them up and actually does a good job in bringing them to
00:52:19
people. So inside there's a reporting
00:52:22
there Superman did not test too well in the test screens and
00:52:27
they've had to go back and fix stuff, but that's neither here
00:52:29
nor there. So not to not to beat a dead
00:52:33
horse on this issue. The the concern with the TV
00:52:40
shows is you could do ATV show like the Falcon and The Winter
00:52:44
Soldier and actually be really good.
00:52:47
But one division and it'd be really good.
00:52:49
But then when you start going into the territory of is the
00:52:53
show going to be like a really good show or a show where you're
00:52:56
going to have this really good story, or is your focus to
00:52:59
introduce new characters that you want to use in the movie?
00:53:03
You know, and and I don't know. And it's almost like not only do
00:53:06
they blur the line that seem to become your intention, like your
00:53:12
intent is we're doing this show because it's a character that we
00:53:16
want to use in the movie. So we're going to do it here in
00:53:18
the show, or let's introduce all these characters in this show
00:53:22
because we're going to use them later in the movie.
00:53:25
I don't really have a problem with that.
00:53:27
Well, I kind of do because I want to sit down and I want to
00:53:30
watch a show and I want to enjoy the show.
00:53:33
I don't want to spend my time being introduced to characters
00:53:35
that we're going to see later. And then what does that mean?
00:53:38
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, the Secret Invasion is a
00:53:41
perfect example of that. You know it, it's one of those
00:53:44
shows we were all excited for that show to come out.
00:53:49
We were like, oh, Nick Fury's getting his own show.
00:53:51
We're going to find out a little bit more.
00:53:53
And then when we get the show, it's about Nick Fury, but it's
00:53:58
not about Nick Fury. And then the Nick Fury that we
00:54:01
see in that. Like I going back and thinking
00:54:04
about it, I do appreciate that you're showing Nick Fury as more
00:54:09
of a flawed character and more of a nuanced character.
00:54:13
I get that and I can appreciate that.
00:54:15
But I think for what we were expecting at the time, it just,
00:54:21
I, I just don't think it did what it was supposed to do.
00:54:24
I don't think it accomplished what they set out to accomplish.
00:54:28
Because a lot of people, especially if you weren't
00:54:31
watching Agents of SHIELD, you're not going to care who
00:54:36
these people are. You're not going to care who
00:54:38
this alien race is because you're like why are y'all just
00:54:42
not introducing us to them? Because we've only seen them in
00:54:46
what, Captain Marvel? Right.
00:54:49
And Agents of SHIELD And as we all know and complain about,
00:54:53
Agents of SHIELD is not cannon. So they so they claim.
00:54:57
So they claim. It's only cannon when is
00:55:00
necessary. Right.
00:55:02
So it's kind of like what, what is this?
00:55:05
Why is this? And if you're setting up for
00:55:07
something that's going to happen a few years down the road.
00:55:12
Like you said before, Hanco, it's no guarantee that that's
00:55:15
going to pan out for you. So you just waste all this time
00:55:18
introducing this to new characters.
00:55:19
Then production staff changes, people die, things happen, and
00:55:24
you can't do it no more. People get arrested, falsely
00:55:27
accused of things and you can't do it anymore, you know?
00:55:31
And it just throws your whole thing off.
00:55:32
Like stop doing it. And I think that's why I changed
00:55:36
my position on with it because I accepted with it fast.
00:55:39
OK, I see what y'all are doing now.
00:55:41
Y'all are giving us the ability to understand the concept of
00:55:46
weird characters that you know, because Horty, she now has her
00:55:54
own comic book series. So that whole thing was to give
00:55:57
her a platform to introduce us to a new character.
00:56:01
And now we have multiple properties of this character and
00:56:05
we were told we're going to see a live action version of her.
00:56:09
OK. So that's what what if is what
00:56:11
if It's a platform, It's a springboard for all these new
00:56:14
characters you want to introduce us to started with Captain
00:56:17
Carter that we got Cohorty and we were going to have some more
00:56:23
probably because we've seen it now.
00:56:26
Yeah, yeah. So if y'all want to give us
00:56:30
Eternals too, I wouldn't be mad. I mean.
00:56:34
As long as they do it right. I'm one of the people who
00:56:37
enjoyed that movie so. I I don't think there's going to
00:56:40
be, there's not going to be 1. I know, I know, but if we can
00:56:43
just see the characters again that would be great.
00:56:46
If anything, if anything, Captain America braving World
00:56:52
would be sort of a weird sequel to Eternals.
00:56:58
If not, probably secret, we probably see.
00:57:00
They will see him begin the Secret Wars.
00:57:02
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.
00:57:04
I just want, I just want, I just want them to do, I mean bring
00:57:07
back, bring back John, what's his name and do Black Knight.
00:57:11
I mean, I don't even, it's like I because he's a he'll, he'll be
00:57:15
a really good character in certain things.
00:57:17
You mean Kit Harington? Yeah, Kitty, bring back Kit
00:57:20
Harington's Black Knight, because you can't tease him like
00:57:23
that. Because I mean, they tease Blade
00:57:25
too, but it's just like. Yeah, I was about to say it.
00:57:28
Look, they had blade this. Point I don't give a fuck about
00:57:30
Blade. You can just give me give me a
00:57:31
Black Knight movie and that shit will be because I think that's
00:57:35
probably one of the things that they were testing when they cast
00:57:38
Kit Harington is that they want to probably want to bring in
00:57:41
people who like like him in Game of Thrones to something that was
00:57:45
that had some medieval kind of kind of qualities to it.
00:57:50
So it's like they're try trying to expand their expand their fan
00:57:53
base by using him as the black Knight, which would have worked.
00:57:56
And, and I'm like just go with that shit, but I don't know.
00:58:03
Yeah, they're, they're losing. I was going to say they're
00:58:06
losing momentum. Momentum is lost as far as Blade
00:58:10
and Black Panther and all that stuff to be momentum is lost.
00:58:13
There's only one blade. There's only going to be 1
00:58:15
blade. And now they've painted
00:58:18
themselves into a corner where people are like, OK, well, maybe
00:58:21
we should go ahead and get Wesley Snipes his blade, you
00:58:24
know, now, now, now they've got, now they've got this conundrum
00:58:28
where Mark Hashallah is like, I don't like any of this crap
00:58:31
y'all keep giving me, you know what I mean?
00:58:34
Like, I don't know. That's the thing, are they even
00:58:38
giving him anything? Because at this point I don't
00:58:40
even know. Like I think the last news we
00:58:43
got, they lost the. They either lost the.
00:58:45
Writer or they? Lost the director so at this
00:58:49
point Mahershala is just sitting back like OK what y'all doing
00:58:55
you know? But OK, getting back to what if
00:59:01
because we have gone way into the weeds as Anthony likes to
00:59:04
say. Do you guys have any final
00:59:07
thoughts on this episode featuring Miss Williams?
00:59:12
This was my favorite episode of the year of the season.
00:59:15
I really enjoyed it. I liked I liked the the
00:59:20
characters. The story wasn't bad.
00:59:28
Like I said, once you accept it for what it is, it is perfectly
00:59:32
fine. I'm not saying it just because
00:59:35
of RiRi Williams. I'm actually being genuine.
00:59:39
I thought this was a pretty good show.
00:59:42
The what if aspects of it. When I started thinking about,
00:59:45
Oh yeah, that could have happened with Quinn Beck.
00:59:48
If, you know, he had, he had gotten the glasses from, you
00:59:52
know, Spider Man. And, yeah, maybe there were some
00:59:54
things that could have happened that the Eternals kind of fumble
00:59:58
the ball and we never got to that point where they turned on
01:00:02
the Celestials. So I thought it was actually,
01:00:06
you know, pretty good. It was cute.
01:00:07
The Titanic. I was like, oh, yeah, it was a
01:00:10
lost cause. No wonder, all the time.
01:00:13
So yeah, I thought it was pretty good.
01:00:16
Best episode of the year of the season.
01:00:18
So yeah, I give it really good marks.
01:00:22
OK. Yeah, best episode was the last
01:00:24
episode, but I digress. We didn't ask you because we
01:00:28
already knew this, Michael. Shout out to shout out to the
01:00:32
way the animation of RiRi taking the nanites from Beck.
01:00:36
I thought that was cool as shit where she like phased through
01:00:39
him and took him out and took him out of him.
01:00:41
That was cool as shit. Also shout out to them for not
01:00:45
doing the misogynistic Mysterio, taking over Riri's body without
01:00:50
her permission and wreaking havoc.
01:00:52
Yes, thank you for that. Which was where he was going
01:00:56
when he had when he had her captured.
01:00:57
He was Whitney. He was trying to say, yeah, I'll
01:01:00
just take over from stereos, take over visions body.
01:01:02
And since you're Mr., it's like she's like, no.
01:01:05
She's like, no, what we not gonna do?
01:01:07
Right, the thing thanks like one I'm shout out to Deborah Wilson.
01:01:12
For those who don't know, Deborah Wilson was on Mad TV.
01:01:14
She's one of my my favorite comedians.
01:01:16
She's really funny. She voiced some additional
01:01:17
voices in this episode. I saw I saw her name in the
01:01:20
credits and I was like, oh, cool.
01:01:22
Like she was on mad TV and Ditto did Whitney Houston on mad TV
01:01:26
and she she's really funny and she has she had a I just want to
01:01:31
give her a shout out. The other watchers names are
01:01:34
imminent executioner and Incarnate.
01:01:36
So of course they're going to come back later.
01:01:39
So those are some really bad ass names for them just to be
01:01:43
sitting there and looking, I'm like, how are you going to be
01:01:46
called executioner? And you're just watching stuff
01:01:47
so you ain't going to be executing shit.
01:01:49
You can't do that. They look, they listen, and they
01:01:52
don't judge. But I think that's about to
01:01:57
change, right? Because with those kinds of
01:02:01
names, and with the Watcher doing what he has now done
01:02:05
twice, yeah, I think a day of reckoning is about to come for
01:02:09
him. And he's he's, he's been doing
01:02:12
this for three seasons. They're just like there's like,
01:02:14
look, mother fuckers, it's enough.
01:02:17
Yeah, enough is enough. Yeah, yeah.
01:02:20
So I guess we'll figure out what type of punishment awaits him.
01:02:26
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