#marvel #whatif #MCU Howard the Duck and Darcy live a happily married life, eagerly awaiting the birth of their first child. With their egg rumored to have great power since it was birthed (laid?) during the Convergence, the The Ducks find out very quickly what lengths people across the universe will go through to get to their egg. Will they be able to protect their child from the many forces of evil?
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Anthony and Mike and we are discussing Season 3, episode 4
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of Marvel's What If series and what is probably Mike's favorite
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episode of the series because it's starring who else but
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Howard the Ducks. I know you have been chomping at
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the bit to discuss this one, haven't you?
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Since I've seen it, but before I go into it, I didn't totally
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love this episode. What?
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Stop this fucking with you. Oh, OK.
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I was about to say, who are you? And what have you done?
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With Michael Collins. No, I love that there was there
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were a couple of things that that were kind of weird about
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this episode for me, like the whole Casilla Casillas and and
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Fury like fighting and shooting again, Fury shooting and not
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hitting anybody in the like that that I was just like Nah.
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Weirder than Howard the Duck being married to Darcy?
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That, strangely, is not weird. I mean, it's like I don't the
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way I approach what if is I just pretty much let them tell me
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what the story is about and I basically go with it.
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What if is Marvel's version of Fast and Furious?
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It's just like you won't go into Fast and Furious looking for
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shit that makes sense because there's nothing that makes sense
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in Fast and Furious. OK, it's.
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Like what if I'll give you that. They're just scenarios.
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So I'm like, though this is a scenario.
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OK, cool. Somehow Darcy had today.
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Cool. Let's go from there.
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I, I don't care. I love this, the little baby
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kidding me that grew up in the late 70s that loved kiss loved
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loved them singing I Was Made for Loving You throughout this
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episode. I wonder how much they had to
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pay to use that song. That came off that.
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They came off that. Yeah.
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But I've, I mean, I loved everything about.
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I just, it was, it was incredible to me.
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And I I mean, I mean, down to the Raiders of the Lost Ark call
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back in the end was dope. I wasn't I was not expecting
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that, but I was like, cool. But yes, I love this episode.
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So go ahead, Anthony. Well, I'm not going to say I
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hated it. It definitely was not great.
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You're a hard man to please. Anthony, I'm, I'm trying, Mike,
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I really ain't. And I appreciate the effort, I
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really do. I appreciate the.
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Effort. I I appreciate that you say that
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is very much one of those things where what if is you just go
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with it no matter how ridiculous the circumstances are.
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But I would kind of argue that the reason why I would, if it
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kind of works, is it is plausible.
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You know, there is something that could be based on certain
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decisions or choices. Yeah, it can stretch a little
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bit. You know, like Infinity Ultron
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trying to wipe. Out all life.
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You know strange, You know whether we, whether we call him
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sinister strange. Yeah.
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Or, you know, yeah. But however, I don't know, I I
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didn't, it didn't bother me that it was Darcy and Howard being
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married. It didn't bother me.
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They had a kid. But once again, we have an
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episode where they decide to throw in the kitchen sink, like,
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oh, you remember all those obscure characters that people
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just kind of halfway remember? Let's throw them in the episode.
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You know, this is put them in here.
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You know, Cassilius Frost, Loki, this this is dirham all in here
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just just for the. Center K Silly is an obscure
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character considering he was like the main villain of a whole
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Doctor Strange movie. Doctor Strange movie that that a
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lot of people didn't see OK, OK I.
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Mean just like they didn't bring back him or Dorma movies like
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they brought back Mordo, but they didn't bring back either
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one of them. So it's like, I mean, they kind
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of you and plus they really Causilius was AI didn't like
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Causilius in the 1st Doctor Strange movie.
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He was kind of a forgettable character for me.
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It's just like I didn't really miss him in much Multiverse and
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madness. I was just like, you know, he
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didn't have to show up. It's just I didn't I didn't like
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that performance. So that's what best place, yeah
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should have been, but. But my, my main thing is again,
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we we've gotten away from the spirit of what if, like it
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wasn't it wasn't a particular decision that changed the course
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of events. Really.
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It's just the story. Like this is just this just is a
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stand alone or could be a stand alone episode of just Oh,
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wouldn't it be cool if Darcy and Hal got married and had the baby
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and the baby was born during the convergence and the baby is
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important because it's pop. OK, but it doesn't to me, it
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doesn't go with the spirit of what if.
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And, and I guess I'm starting to become I'm starting to become
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less enamoured with the show because it seems over the last
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couple seasons, this is getting further and further away from
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the what if premise. Like I would prefer to just have
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what if standalone episodes and not episode says it's going to
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tie into some overarching thing or whatever 'cause it's
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obviously what they're, they're going towards.
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So I don't know. It was I, it was I, you know, it
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was just, I, I mean, I'm, I'm, it wasn't as referential as a
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previous episode, but it did have these characters that
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you're just like, oh, and Fury, this was, you're right.
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This was so uncharacteristically not right.
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I have a. Theory about that.
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I have a theory about that. Why?
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It wasn't really fury that it was probably one of the scrolls
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or whatever. OK, Yeah.
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That was some percent scroll, yeah.
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That, that, that, yeah, I mean. Obviously that that was this.
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Is just this is just like in the Marvels when he was like, come
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on, black girl magic. I'm like.
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OK. Even though fury out was funny
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as shit to me, like every time you said it I busted.
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I busted my ass out laughing. I was so confused when he said
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it 'cause I was like since when did Fury start doing that?
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Like, it's so weird, but so I'm going to go opposite of Anthony
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because I won't say that I like love this episode because of
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necessarily the story, but I just thought it was one of the
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funnier episodes. And coming off of the last two
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episodes, which were, you know, kind of mixed for me, I laughed
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a lot during this one. And I think that's why I liked
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it. And then not to mention, you
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know, like I said, one of the things I love about what if is
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that you take these characters that generally don't have
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anything to do with each other in the MCU and you kind of put
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them together. And in this one, it was so funny
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because you have so the premise, the, the premise of the show is
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this whole thing like you say, Anthony, about Howard the duck
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and Darcy getting married and they have this baby that's,
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that's an egg that they're waiting to hatch.
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And because this, this egg was, I don't even know how to
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describe it. She didn't lay the egg.
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She claims she gave birth to it after she was in labor.
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So while she was in labor during the convergence, apparently
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they're supposed to be this great cosmic being that was, you
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know, conceived at this time, which is supposedly Darcy and
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Howard's egg. And so you have everybody in
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this universe literally trying to come and get this egg.
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So you see the Grandmaster, you see Yondu and the Ravagers, you
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see SHIELD. As far as Nick Fury and Agent
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Coulson. You have Caseilius, you have
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Laufe, you have Zeus of all people.
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You have the Dark Elves, you have Ebony Ma, you have Thanos,
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and you have all of these different villains or characters
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from all these different Marvel properties coming together, but
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separately trying to get this egg.
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And I just thought it was so funny because you get to see
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like them not only fighting to get the egg, you're they're
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fighting each other. There's a little bit of comic
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banter going on. I just thought it was a funny
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episode. And then you have Howard and
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Darcy together, which, OK, I make the joke about them being
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together, but it's so funny because I feel like they are a
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perfect pairing, like they play off each other very well.
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And so I just, I really liked it because I thought it was funny.
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It was very light, even though people were trying to kidnap or
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either eat their egg. What the fuck, Grandmaster?
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But even though that was the case, it was just very light
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hearted and I didn't really need it to mean something bigger
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because I think if you look at the previous three episodes for
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this particular season, I don't really see where the characters
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are going to converge. And it'd be a bigger story, kind
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of like the last two seasons with Captain Carter and how this
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became kind of her story. So it was, I mean, it was fun to
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me. I wasn't looking for anything
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kind of, I think because of the last couple of episodes, I'm
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just kind of like not expecting anything.
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I'm not expecting some grand story.
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I'm not expecting any big reveals.
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I was just like, I, I went into this knowing it was going to be
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ridiculous because it's Howard the Duck.
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And I was just like, OK, let me see what they're going to do.
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And I actually enjoyed it was it was a lot of fun.
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So Anthony's look like no. No, absolutely not it.
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I. I didn't laugh, not one time.
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Except maybe. Except maybe when I realized
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they were going to eat the egg and I chuckled.
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You are so dark. The best thing about this
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episode was the freaking kiss song.
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I mean that that that was it. Wow, you are a tough cookie to
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crack. Yeah, that's a great song.
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Now the song the. Song that's that's one of their
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best songs that's. That's a great song.
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It is. It's a great song.
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You can't read the episode. Wow.
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You did, Anthony. This is with me.
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The holiday. Scene it is with you we're
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supposed to be. Bringing in here.
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Whatever I I'm, I'm sorry, I'm expecting.
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I mean, I'm not expecting greatness anymore, but I do have
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a certain level level of expectation when I watch
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something and this did not meet even the bare minimum
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expectation. Wow.
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Well, the last episode was by far superior to this episode.
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Wow. The last episode was clearly
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funnier than this. The last episode had me dying.
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The one liners everything. This thing Zeus Russell Crowe is
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freaking ridiculous. It's absolutely stupid the whole
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episode. But that's not Russell Crowe,
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so. I mean, I'm just saying that
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version of Zeus, Yeah, he was obviously trying to channel that
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version of Zeus, and it is this is this.
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That was like, blah. Oh God, I was.
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Kind. Of surprised that they threw him
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in there because. Why?
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Why are you not surprised? I'm not surprised.
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I'm just saying because if if you want to say if you want to
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talk about obscure characters. And even though I know Zeus is
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not an obscure character in anything by far, but the fact
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that we just got introduced to that character in Thor, Love and
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Thunder, and it's kind of like, only briefly.
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And then they bring him in here, which, OK, yeah.
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What if kind of does that? But it was just, I guess,
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strange in that sense because, like, why would he need the
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baby? He's Zeus.
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But yeah. But I mean, it's that version of
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Zeus. It's like, 'cause there's so
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many versions that have come out that portray him wild wildly
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differently. I mean, we just had Jeff
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Goldblum as Zeus and Chaos, so it's like they're.
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This version, you can't, you can't do that, Mike.
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It's a completely different property.
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I know, yeah. He's just talking about.
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Zeus in general let. Me finish, Let me finish cheese.
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Anthony said we are not about to say anything to convince him to
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like this episode. I'm.
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Look, I'm just saying look, this this version of Zeus I can
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believe would want something that could help him continue his
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reign as far as being the king. I can see I can see him going
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after that also real quick. I know this doesn't this episode
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kind of to me this I don't know about y'all, but I mean,
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honestly, this episode with the baby, I'm I just for some
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reason, I think that there's something else with her.
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I mean, she's really important, obviously, or the everybody
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wouldn't be going through all this trouble to get her.
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So there has to be some kind of time thread.
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And as we've seen in what if they take multiple episodes
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sometimes and tie different things together and put
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different things to get to the point of the final episode or
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the penultimate episode to get there.
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So I would just hold off, hold off judgement until then, but
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but I don't know why I'm talking to you because you're not you're
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not even listening to me. I'm.
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Listening to every word you're saying.
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Every word. Alright, but I every word.
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I mean you. I can't believe you.
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You didn't. You didn't find Loki selling
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timeshares in selling ice giant timeshares funny like that
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wasn't funny to you? No, it wasn't.
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You're my brother from another mother's old lady, sister from
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another mist. No, he wasn't funny.
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Really funny. No, no, nothing.
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Nothing about this episode was. Wow, Anthony is the Ebenezer
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Scrooge from the What If scene. You had to.
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At least, at least I'm I'm sitting the first fury out.
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You had to have laughed the first fury out.
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I almost cried at the death of one of my favorite beloved
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characters. I'm like.
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See, you know what? No, whatever it.
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Can't be any worse than Secret Invasion.
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No, nothing would ever be as bad as that, OK?
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No, I would. I would never disparage to a bad
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degree. OK.
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As long as long as we're straight on that.
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We're talking about this particular episode.
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This specific episode is this. I don't know.
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I'm watching it and I'm like, this is stupid.
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And it just kept getting Dumber and Dumber and Dumber and, you
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know, the bright spots, the song, Darcy and Howard.
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That's it. I could've done without
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everything else. That adorable baby, that baby,
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that baby wasn't keep. I mean.
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You had. You had.
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Yeah, but we didn't even see the babies reveal until the end of
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the episode. So, I mean, yeah, she she's cute
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and all, but it was. It was so strange.
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Yeah, the whole egg thing, that was kind of weird because when
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Darcy had her, she's like, Oh yeah, she looks like me and I'm
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like, it's an egg. How does she look like those
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little things? Mothers know, you know, you know
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this as you know this too. Mothers know exactly everything
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about their children. So, you know, she knew that it
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looked just like her. I wish those of you who are just
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listening, I wish you could see the little Anthony and I are
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giving mic right now. Mothers.
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Know mothers know these things. As far as I've been reading, I
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don't know. Yeah, no, that, that was kind of
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strange. I do enjoy the fact that they
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are getting a lot of the the original actors who portrayed
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these characters in live action to come back and do the voice
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overs. I do love that part because even
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even for the small parts, just to hear the familiarity, like
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Michael Rooker being Yondu and only being on screen for like
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maybe 2 minutes tops, I was just like, hey, it's Rooker.
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I like that, you know, and I think the person, there's an
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actor who actually did the voice dubbing for the grandmaster in
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this episode, and it was not Jeff Goldblum.
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He sounds so much like him, and I thought he did a really,
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really good job. They do have a lot of talent
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coming in to do the voice work for these these particular
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episodes, so I do appreciate that.
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Yeah, I could appreciate that. And they did some great work.
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They really did, you know. And it's like, that's about all
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I got. Wow.
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I don't even know. We should have a longer episode
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because Anthony just did not like this episode.
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It makes me sad. I said that I can't say, I can't
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say I hated it is this is blah, this is but I, I was really
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struggling to watch it to to make it through the episode.
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OK, so, so of the four episodes we've seen so far, where does
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this rank for you? I I don't even need to ask Mike.
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I already know you'd. Be surprised if you asking.
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Me, yeah, Of the four episodes, this is definitely last place.
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Really. Even even under the the Agatha
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episode. Yeah.
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Oh wow. Agatha.
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Agatha would be 3, the mash up would be two, and last episode
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would be one. Oh, OK, to Seth.
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Green and Kat Dennings The views reviews presented by Anthony are
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not the views of Phantom Hybrid dot.
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Com My issue was not with Darcy and Howard.
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It really was, yeah. He did say that.
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He said that they they kind of carried the episode, you know,
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because of the the the chemistry with those two characters.
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Like those two characters are, are funny.
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And it's like, I kind of sort of want to see this in live action
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as weird as it is, but it just, I don't know, something about
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those two characters work. So.
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I love, I love Darth. I think, I think they're just, I
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can't wait to see how their, their kid, their kid turns out.
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Because the kids going to be sarcastic, mouthy and smart just
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like they are. And it's going to be fucking
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awesome. Yeah, they'll be.
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It's going to be a younger combination of them.
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It's going to be great and brilliant and hilarious, Sir.
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And she has powers, so that's going to be interesting because
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you know, you know what you didn't?
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You didn't get you didn't get hyped over over the baby doing
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the Indiana Jones rated Raiders of the Lost Ark fatality on
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everybody around them. Yeah, except for the people that
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matter. They conveniently were able to
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dodge. So, so it's still the Indiana
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Jones and what's her name? What's your point?
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That's that's kind of what happens.
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What I mean, I think what she did was she she targeted the
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people that were trying to either kill her, eat her or
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destroy her. And the ones who she spared,
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like Nick Fury and Coulson weren't trying to harm her.
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They were trying to protect her. And they didn't think that a
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regular human person and a like they said, a outlaw duck would
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be able to protect them. So it's not like they were
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trying to harm her. So they would have naturally
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been spared. Of course, yeah.
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And a. Gambling addict ducks.
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That's what he Zeus left. Loki and Laffy were, you know,
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Loki wasn't trying to harm her. Loki was actually trying to help
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her parents. Laffy was just like, well.
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Every everyone was trying to kidnap her except the
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Grandmaster. He was the only one trying to
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eat her, but that's neither here nor there.
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Yeah, he. He's a grandmaster who could
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explain anything that he does. That is.
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True. Like he's weird.
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That. Is true when?
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When Celius just wanted what? You what's?
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The Rosemary Band Rosemary. That was actually, I think I did
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chuckle at that. I did chuckle at that because
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that was funny. That was funny.
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OK, we found one thing. OK.
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But yeah, I mean, I, I think if if this is a, a a being with
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cosmic powers, and I don't know why Aladdin just came into my
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head because I was about to say itty bitty living space.
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I mean, she's trapped inside of Edward, but if she's a being
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with cosmic powers, she should be able to detect all the people
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who are trying to harm her and single them out.
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So that is actually not as implausible as it sounds, you
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know, And then especially when you think about the The Watchers
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narration in the beginning and he said something about this
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being a, you know, a cosmic being that will have, what did
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he say will be very important to the universe or has a big, I, I
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can't remember what the wording was, but obviously she's going
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to be important for something. And kind of like you said, Mike,
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we may see something with her later on there.
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This is still only episode 4. So we still have 4 episodes
00:22:32
before the end of the series, so she may show up a little bit
00:22:35
later and be important because like you.
00:22:39
Yeah, they did a whole episode on her.
00:22:40
It's like there has to be something.
00:22:41
It's like a whole episode on a baby.
00:22:43
On trying to protect her. So yeah.
00:22:46
But yeah, I just, I don't know what else to say since, I mean,
00:22:51
Anthony doesn't like it. We like it.
00:22:53
I thought it, like I said, I thought it was funny.
00:22:55
I thought it was it was kind of light and it was, you know, it
00:23:00
was very fun. But again, I think this is one
00:23:03
of those episodes too where, you know, we talk about this with
00:23:06
the other what if series. They always throw an episode in
00:23:10
the middle that that kind of doesn't make a lot of sense and
00:23:14
it seems a little more light hearted.
00:23:15
And then the episodes we get after that are a little bit
00:23:18
darker. So maybe that's what is and what
00:23:22
was what it was supposed to be kind of like that palate
00:23:24
cleanser before they get our dark with us.
00:23:26
I mean, we are coming to the end of the series as a whole, not
00:23:30
just the season. So there's probably going to be
00:23:34
death in there. See I thought last so was was
00:23:40
light and and not as dark. This one they're literally
00:23:45
trying to eat. He's literally going to serve
00:23:48
the egg as the baby has dinner and another character is going
00:23:53
to possess her with a demon from another dimension.
00:23:57
Yeah, my. Definition of light is a little
00:24:01
bit. Off and look.
00:24:07
This is this is actually all. These people trying to kidnap,
00:24:10
not even a newborn, I mean literally a newborn.
00:24:13
They're all trying to kidnap his newborn.
00:24:16
It's not light hearted to me. Look, this is this is basically
00:24:19
a continuation of the party Thor episode because they shouldn't
00:24:22
be because they got married in a party Thor episode.
00:24:24
They met in the party Thor episode.
00:24:25
This is basically a spinoff of that.
00:24:28
So yes, it is. It is a light hearted palate
00:24:30
cleanser until we get into delve into the deepness that's
00:24:33
probably getting ready to come and probably send us into a
00:24:36
spiraling depression. So just enjoy it for what it is
00:24:41
and laugh at the parts that I know you laughed at and just,
00:24:46
you know, just just appreciate it.
00:24:48
I mean they did a who? They did the who's on 1st joke
00:24:51
for nowhere that that that was they.
00:24:54
Did The Who? They did the what joke?
00:24:56
The no doing, he said. Oh, they're, oh, I don't know
00:24:59
where they're going. They're going to nowhere.
00:25:00
Nowhere. Nowhere.
00:25:02
Nowhere. What are they doing?
00:25:04
Nowhere. Yeah, I think that joke held on
00:25:08
a little bit too long. I do.
00:25:10
I will say that. But you know.
00:25:14
That that joke is low hanging fruit for a writer.
00:25:18
It really is. No, I mean, I know, I know, but.
00:25:24
But the thing had a lot, it had a lot of lot of really cool
00:25:26
Easter eggs too. Like, I mean, when they were
00:25:28
getting ready to get on the ship, they said they said they
00:25:31
had they offered Cliff diving on Vormer.
00:25:33
I'm like. And and it's an experience that
00:25:37
you can only enjoy with someone you love.
00:25:39
I was like y'all are dead dead ass wrong for that.
00:25:43
That was funniest that was, that was that was funny and you had
00:25:45
to be paying attention for that. That was cool shit.
00:25:48
And shout shout out to shout out to Howard the Duck being a
00:25:52
Android user 'cause he used Google Translate to find out
00:25:54
what the map, what the menu was saying.
00:25:58
Yeah, that that menu, I tell you, the grandmaster, he's just
00:26:03
one of those characters is just like this.
00:26:07
Just when you think he can't sink any lower, then you get to
00:26:11
see him again and you get to see just how low he can go.
00:26:15
So, yeah. But oh, OK, Anthony didn't like
00:26:20
the episode. Me and Mike liked the episode.
00:26:23
I didn't see. I didn't.
00:26:24
Like it, he said. It was OK.
00:26:26
Right. I'm sorry, I Yeah, GHT was I
00:26:31
really? Don't think there's too much
00:26:35
more to say about the episode then is.
00:26:37
And I'm and I'm hurt by this. I'm like, I'm like, we're not,
00:26:40
we're not even at 30 minutes yet.
00:26:42
We're like almost done. I'm like, man.
00:26:45
OK, well, what? I mean to be here's some here's
00:26:48
some I. I do like the the locations that
00:26:51
we went to. We went to nowhere, you know, I
00:26:54
have to go to. Yodenheim.
00:26:56
Yodenheim, yeah. So I to be fair, Mike, the
00:27:02
episode was not really overly complicated.
00:27:06
And I think that's why there's not a lot of discussion for us
00:27:09
because it's not like there were varying plots and it's not like
00:27:14
there were a lot of characters that we were like usually kind
00:27:17
of dissecting what they're, you know, what their motives are and
00:27:21
all this other stuff. There's not a lot of conflict.
00:27:23
It's literally everybody is trying to get hands on this baby
00:27:26
because the baby was born during the convergence.
00:27:30
Yeah. So it's it's kind of simplified.
00:27:32
There isn't really isn't a lot to dissect with this one, for
00:27:38
lack of better words. I was, I was kind of out, I kind
00:27:41
of confused convergence with emergence.
00:27:43
I was like, oh, does that mean that that the that the the
00:27:48
celestials coming out or I was like, oh, convergence that's.
00:27:51
Like the convergence? OK, yeah, because they, because
00:27:55
this is what I get for, for bringing up, bringing up the
00:27:58
Eternals in the, in the Agatha episode.
00:28:00
I've been, I've been thinking like that that's got to pay off
00:28:03
somehow too. Cause like, 'cause they don't
00:28:05
do, that's what they do is like they don't bring something up
00:28:07
that's not going to pay off. So I was like, so I had, I had
00:28:10
to, had to kind of think about that too.
00:28:13
Yeah. So disappointed, doesn't it?
00:28:15
Yeah, but but throwing these things in from from movies and
00:28:19
stories which weren't very popular is just a little odd,
00:28:23
you know, to me. It kind of makes me wonder if
00:28:27
they're actually like, I know that they've announced that
00:28:30
they're not going to do the Eternals, too.
00:28:32
I know that they're, you know, some of the other properties
00:28:36
that we've seen are kind of questionable or in the air.
00:28:39
Like, like I said, we don't know if there's going to be a Shang
00:28:42
Shi too. We don't know if Moonlight
00:28:44
Season 2 is going to come, but they are throwing these
00:28:46
characters in there. So it makes me wonder if maybe
00:28:49
we will still see these characters at some point in live
00:28:53
action, just maybe not in their own things.
00:28:57
And that's why they're kind of putting them in here, maybe to
00:29:00
familiarize people with the characters.
00:29:02
But again, that goes back to that conversation that we've had
00:29:06
about the people who watch the shows versus the people who
00:29:10
watch the movies and whether or not those two audiences are
00:29:16
going to converge. You know I.
00:29:19
Mean, but what? What's the point of the of
00:29:21
throwing in the Dark elves? We're not going to see the Dark
00:29:24
Elves again. No, but I think that.
00:29:26
We're not going to see. We're not going to see, we're
00:29:29
not going to see Zeus in in again because I doubt if they do
00:29:33
another Thor movie. They're supposed to.
00:29:35
They're supposed to be a Thor movie.
00:29:36
But I'm I'm not hanging my head on that.
00:29:40
So, and, and I mean they, they did, they did kind of throw out
00:29:44
throughout Hercules there. So if Hercules comes back, then
00:29:48
Zeus kind of ties into that too. So you never know.
00:29:51
Yeah, so the other ones like the Dark Elves, KK, silliest and all
00:29:56
that. That goes back to what you said
00:29:58
in the last episode, Anthony, about the throwbacks, you know,
00:30:01
just kind of, you know, those references maybe, you know, just
00:30:07
for fun or just because, you know, hey, let's just give them
00:30:10
all these different enemies who would want them for different
00:30:13
reasons. I mean, if you think about what
00:30:17
Birdie is supposed to represent this cosmic power, and she may
00:30:20
have something to do with, you know, the the greater universe
00:30:25
in in general, the dark elves were looking for power in Thor,
00:30:30
The Dark World. We know that Lafi was looking
00:30:34
for domination. We know K Celius was looking for
00:30:37
a vessel for Dormammu. So I mean, and well, Thanos
00:30:43
didn't even Thanos was like y'all called me for it.
00:30:45
Like really Ebony Mall was like, but he's a magical egg.
00:30:49
Magical. Like OK but I mean got bigger
00:30:55
fish to fry. Shout to Ebony Mall using
00:30:57
Groupon to get to get a deal on A to get a deal on a conference
00:31:01
space. On a conference space for a
00:31:03
resort that hasn't even opened yet.
00:31:05
Speaking of which, the fact that Loki and Laffy offered the the
00:31:10
the the Ducks a a comped room in the lodge.
00:31:15
I'm like, what lodge? Zeus destroyed it when he got
00:31:18
They ain't. No lodge no more.
00:31:19
It's gone. So yeah.
00:31:21
So yeah, I thought, I thought that was funny as shit, though.
00:31:23
It was like they they came down and they were like, don't take
00:31:26
our don't you? No, you have to take our baby.
00:31:27
And they're like, no, we're here for a conference.
00:31:29
Like we're here for a conference, but you said magical
00:31:32
baby. Exactly.
00:31:34
OK, we can do that. But yeah.
00:31:37
It it's it's really almost as if these things are really written
00:31:41
for people like us who go into the minutiae of the MCU.
00:31:47
Yeah. And the comics, they are into
00:31:50
all of this weird and strange stuff, you know, it's just, I
00:31:57
don't know, I'm still, I'm still a little sore from one division.
00:32:01
I know I I. Know it's it's hard.
00:32:04
It's hard to heal. They will forever be trying to
00:32:07
have having to make that up to you because but.
00:32:09
It's like they've, they've, they've really leaned into it,
00:32:14
Like really leaned into this. Yeah.
00:32:19
And they also have like. They have a habit of making
00:32:23
these references that don't necessarily pan out, You know,
00:32:29
just throwing stuff in there. Like you said, for those of us
00:32:31
who are kind of deeper into it, you guys more than I, because
00:32:35
you guys are more familiar with the comics.
00:32:36
But just like even in the Agatha show, when they mentioned
00:32:42
Mephisto, it's kind of like, why would you even throw that name
00:32:45
in there if if there's nothing going to come out of it?
00:32:48
Like you guys have been mentioned in Mephisto or the
00:32:52
possibility of Mephisto ever since One Division I, you know,
00:32:56
that was like one of the things that kind of threw you off.
00:32:59
So yeah, I guess we just have to see where they go with this and
00:33:05
whether or not it's going to have bigger implications and
00:33:09
other stores. I just don't.
00:33:13
I mean, it's weird because OK, for example, creature Commandos,
00:33:17
like everybody in creature commandos is going that's
00:33:19
playing the doing the voice acting is going to be in live
00:33:22
action. When they when they do live, I
00:33:24
do that in live action. So it actually transfers.
00:33:27
But this is actually the reverse of it.
00:33:30
It's like they they're trying to get a lot of, they get seventy,
00:33:34
7580% of the actors who actually played the part to do the voice
00:33:39
acting. So maybe 8085%, but it's like
00:33:43
they're they're trying to like draw a parallel.
00:33:46
But I don't think that certain things that they haven't done,
00:33:51
haven't really delved into like as much as I want it in my
00:33:55
heart, they're probably not going to do a Howard the Duck
00:33:57
movie. And I'm probably not going to
00:33:59
see, I'm probably not going to see little baby Birdie as a full
00:34:05
as a full blown adult. I'm probably not going to see
00:34:08
how like unless I mean, if they delve into it, they're they're
00:34:11
not going to do it because they've already risked they
00:34:14
they'll probably feel they've already risked that with
00:34:16
Eternals and it didn't work out. And they don't have James Gunn
00:34:19
to turn it, to give it whatever magic he has to turn something
00:34:23
obscure into a cult classic. And it's like until they find
00:34:27
that they're not really going to delve into something that they
00:34:32
don't think is going to become profitable, popular and a
00:34:37
staple. It's just like they're they're
00:34:39
going, they're going to kind of stay the course and do things,
00:34:43
do things that are familiar. And anytime they stray out is
00:34:46
going to have a direct connection to something that's
00:34:49
already been established. So it's just like they're not
00:34:52
going to they're not going to take that risk again because
00:34:55
they've been burned too many times.
00:34:57
So we're just going to have to wait and see if we if see how
00:35:02
secret, see how everything pans out.
00:35:04
Like if Secret Wars and every all the other stuff that they're
00:35:08
doing actually goes back up to the level that if that Infinity
00:35:13
Ward in game was that like, maybe they'll, they'll
00:35:16
reconsider it. But I don't think they will
00:35:18
'cause, you know, once I've been twice shy.
00:35:20
Yeah, yeah. OK.
00:35:23
Well, you guys have any final thoughts to say about this
00:35:26
episode? Fine, I'll in the words of
00:35:29
Thanos. Fine, I'll do it myself.
00:35:34
All right. Shout out to the Grandmaster
00:35:36
when they were when they were sitting seated for dinner,
00:35:39
raising himself, then looking to the side and lowering Darcy and
00:35:42
Howard. That was funny as shit.
00:35:44
I'm like, really? You weren't high enough to help?
00:35:47
It's like, that was awesome to me.
00:35:49
Shout out to another little Easter egg, Casillas.
00:35:53
When, when, when Yandu said that he has a whole lot of offers.
00:35:58
He's like, sorry, sorry, Dumamu doesn't bargain anymore And like
00:36:03
and took the egg from him like when they when they were in,
00:36:07
when they were in nowhere, He said Dumamu doesn't bargain.
00:36:10
I'm like, yeah, he got. He already got burned by that by
00:36:14
Doctor Strange. See.
00:36:15
Yeah. OK, I was laughing at you.
00:36:18
Hey, your job. You should be a writer on this
00:36:22
stuff. I should right.
00:36:24
OK, so shout out to Loki thinking he was going to be a
00:36:27
godfather after when they when they got up, when they when they
00:36:30
were there, they were like that whole that whole conversation
00:36:33
was hilarious to me. Like like Loki is just, it's so
00:36:37
weird seeing Loki aloof and not really kind of.
00:36:41
Dialed in trying to take over the world.
00:36:43
Yeah, and not really knowing what's going on, like I thought
00:36:47
that was hilarious to me. Shout to the watcher.
00:36:50
Always being in the bedroom. It's kind of creepy, but him
00:36:53
being in the background in the. In the nursery, yeah, that was
00:36:57
kind of creepy. That was kind of creepy.
00:37:00
I was like. Yeah, OK, buddy.
00:37:06
I also I love it's a huge fury said first time mom and gambling
00:37:14
addict. He was like, hey, I'm I'm in
00:37:16
recovery. I got a chip that's not the
00:37:19
right chip cause. What kind of chip was that was
00:37:22
that he was holding? I didn't.
00:37:23
I didn't. See, it looked like looked like
00:37:24
one of the chips that he had when in from last year's last
00:37:28
year's first episode, the the Blade Runner episode where he
00:37:31
was running the Oh, OK. OK, it's kind.
00:37:33
Of like a ship like that, yeah, so.
00:37:36
And anyway, OK, Iris, like I said in previous episodes, Iris
00:37:42
I, I have changed my ways. I respect everybody's opinion on
00:37:46
everything, especially Anthony, because he's one of the smartest
00:37:49
guys I know and he's one guys that I respect thoroughly as far
00:37:55
as as far as nerdy things and other things, 'cause he's
00:37:57
outstandingly smart, man. However, I love this episode.
00:38:02
It was hilarious. I've watched it at least four
00:38:05
times since it came out. Of course I have and.
00:38:08
Only for and. Well, well OK for then all the
00:38:13
reactions that people had to it and ironically, some of the
00:38:16
other people had had similar reactions to and the end with
00:38:19
Anthony to this. So I'm like maybe just maybe
00:38:22
people and I I I want to quote the words of the pig in of the
00:38:27
of the Mr. Potato Head in Toy Story.
00:38:30
You want to cultured swine. This this is this is this is the
00:38:34
height of film culture to be OK to me.
00:38:37
But in in in short, might be. Going a little far with that.
00:38:41
I'm just saying, but yes, I I love I love this episode.
00:38:45
Like, and this is just it me, me watching what if actually makes
00:38:50
me want to break out my what if cart.
00:38:51
I would have comic books and read and read them, reread them
00:38:54
again just so I just so I can get that feeling.
00:38:56
But yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed this.
00:38:59
OK, we're not going to ask Anthony because we already know
00:39:02
how Anthony feels about this episode.
00:39:03
I'm just saying, you know, we don't need to, we don't need to
00:39:07
end on a negative note or kind of sort of negative note.
00:39:10
We know it's OK for you. And that's fine.
00:39:13
Because, you know, I think we talked about this in one of the
00:39:17
previous episodes. The what if series is kind of
00:39:21
like you have your highs and you have your lows and sometimes you
00:39:24
kind of like right in the middle.
00:39:25
And I think we've all, for the most part, been kind of sort of
00:39:28
split on these 4 episodes, which I think is really interesting
00:39:33
because when it comes to certain things, Anthony and I usually
00:39:37
agree a lot. And then when it comes to
00:39:38
others, Mike and I usually agree a lot.
00:39:41
And then sometimes you guys agree and I'm kind of left, you
00:39:43
know, out in left field. So I think it's very interesting
00:39:47
to see where our opinions vary in these particular episodes.
00:39:51
So I'm looking forward to seeing what the next 4 episodes bring
00:39:55
and how we'll feel about those. But do you?
00:39:58
Do you? You know, if there's going to be
00:39:59
Season 4. No, this is the final season.
00:40:02
This is it. OK, this is.
00:40:04
It Yep. Yeah, they ran out of ideas.
00:40:06
Yeah. Yep.
00:40:08
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