#marvel #whatif #MCU In a misguided effort to prove his worth, the Red Guardian sets out to find the mysterious Russian spy The Rook. When his attempt thwarts an important mission given to the Winter Soldier, they must team up to evade capture and restore glory to their names. A surprise reveal makes both men question their loyalties, and their purpose as soldiers.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Mike and Anthony and we are discussing season 3, episode 3
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of Marvel's What If series. This one is What If the Red
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Guardian stopped The Winter Soldier?
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So I'm really trying with these What If episodes.
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I'm really trying especially because y'all know how I feel
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about Bucky Barnes, Winter Soldier, Sebastian Stan and I
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love David Harbors portrayal of the Red guardian and Black Widow
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and I'm looking forward to Thunderbolts.
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However, this episode was a bit much for me.
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Like I get the Red Guardians Dick is making the jokes and
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being the I don't know, he's it's almost like he's an
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environmentalist in this. He's always he's talking about,
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you know, anti capitalism, anti, you know, you're supposed to be
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doing this, you're supposed to be doing that.
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But the jokes are just so much. And I'm just like, why has Bucky
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not shot this man already like several times?
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He's the Red Guardian. He's he's the guardian of Mother
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Russia and communism. He's the, he's, he's the poster
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boy for communism. So of course he's going to spout
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communism and try to convert the McDonald's, McDonald's to the
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and, and make, make, make her go against the, go against the
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oligarchy or whatever and go up her hands.
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I was going to be nice for saying he was a poster boy for
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socialism because he sounded really socialist as opposed.
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To I couldn't just, you know what?
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I couldn't decide. I couldn't.
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I was like, is this? But it's like I was thinking
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because it's old Russia, that it'd be communism.
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I take either one, yeah. He was a bit much for me in this
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episode, like even even the whole the whole premise of the
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episode is that he actually is the person to stop The Winter
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Soldier from killing Howard and Maria Stark and.
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I'm laughing at the ridiculousness of the situation.
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Oh my God, I was like, like, he should have shot him.
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The Winter Soldier Soldier should have shot him the moment
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he interfered. Because The Winter Soldier
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didn't do all that talking. He didn't do all that reasoning.
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He just did his mission ready to comply.
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You interrupted my mission. I'm about to shoot you.
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End of story. Again, we're talking about a
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character for the second episode in a row that didn't operate as
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the character would normally operate.
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And it and you. Took the one thing about this
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character that made him The Winter Soldier, and that was
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that he never fails a mission. He always complies.
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As far as we know, this version of The Winter Soldier was
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completely and utterly ruthless according to Natalie.
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Like this version the Terminator, but OK.
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That being said, I'm going to surprise y'all Mike.
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I actually like this episode and and this fight is numerous flaws
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and possibilities. We we we may in again.
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I don't like this these references the the the the
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callbacks, but the relationship between the two of them reminded
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me of Bucky and the Falcon. And it it you know it does
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because. I don't know, poor imitation.
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It it it worked though. It worked.
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He was getting, it was obvious he was getting off him with the
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soldiers nerves, but he was was was about done with him.
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He probably eventually would have killed him anyway.
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He should have done it already like.
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But you know, but you can't help but like the Red Garden, you
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can't help but like David Harbour is is great.
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He. Is.
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Yes, the two and it seemed like the two of them had some pretty
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good chemistry and. Chemistry I I like.
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This there's some, there's a lot of things, there's a lot of
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things about this episode they were bad that was terrible like.
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What? Like what?
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Let's see if we agree on some. Oh, OK.
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Let's start with this. Is the randomness of Bill Foster
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being thrown in here. Can you talk about that?
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This is actually. Like out of.
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The blue. So when I saw his name in the
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credits, I was like, who is like, because again, Ant Man two
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complete. Like I don't remember anything
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about this plot about that movie or anything.
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So I always forget that he was in Ant Man 2.
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So when I'm looking at the credits, I'm like, who is
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Laurence Fishburne going to be? And then when he said Bill
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Foster, I said, oh duh. I said, OK, Hanukkah before you
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go back to work in 2025, you need to go back and rewatch this
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this movie, especially since Ghost is going to be in
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Thunderbolt. So I was like, OK, I just.
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All right, again, it's appropriate for the time him
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being the shield and all this is random again.
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Here we go again with one of these characters.
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This is put them in the in the theme.
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Anyone who doesn't you know who hadn't seen the The Ant Man in
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the Watts movie wouldn't know. Yeah.
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They're like, is that supposed to be Nick Fury?
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Like where's this patch? What is this patch?
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Why does he have here? Why does he have being both to
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wait? That's not any purity, is it?
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Wait, what is? It that's the wrong shield black
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guy. Right.
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Here. I mean, wait, is is that
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supposed to be American Chavez? Is it?
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I love America Chavez, she was awesome in this.
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You bring that gun. To go That's not American
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Chavez. Is this American Ferrera?
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I'm sorry, yes. He's.
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But he's talking about was the character supposed to be America
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shot? Because again, nobody knows who
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these characters are. But yeah, I, I loved America
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forever in in this role because that that particular character,
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her character has not been seen in the MCU, has she?
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That's the original character for sure.
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So I like the APC. Yeah.
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I like this character because she's one of those.
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Yeah. She's kind of like Darcy is like
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one of these like, OK, so this is what's going on.
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This is this. Yeah.
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This Cookie Monster blood trail over.
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Here. I was like, OK, I'm going to
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like her character. But yeah, the Bill Foster thing
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kind of threw me. I was like, because I, I kind of
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sort of thought that too. I was like, so is he going to be
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voicing Nick Fury in this one? I was like, are they putting
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Nick Fury in this? And then when he opened up his
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mouth and said Bill Foster, I was like, oh.
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Yeah, OK. Will.
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OK, we'll go with it. OK, Yeah.
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The whole Vegas thing was just weird to me.
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That was something that I was I I could have done without.
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It is rude of you to correct my English.
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Philosophy was awesome. The the film in Louise moment,
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yeah. Was kind the them in the car
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that was kind of cool with, you know, with the cars and it was
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great. But yeah, them in Louise, I, I
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think more relevant, would it be like if the car was black and
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then people are all supernatural?
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I could have got, I could have worked with that, You know, more
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people would have been like, cool, that's like.
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Sam and Dean. Sam and Dean, but no.
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That would have been funny, but I mean, I actually liked that
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part of the of the show. And, and I will be honest, I
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actually did like the episode. It was just the, the Red
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Guardian was a bit much. Because I'm, I'm thinking again,
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this is not Bucky Barnes in the car.
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He still has no idea who he is. This is The Winter Soldier.
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Nothing about anything I know about The Winter Soldier would
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lead me to believe that he would put up with this from Alexis.
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All the talking the the the different references he's making
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that don't make sense, the just just him as a person.
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Which is going to be really interesting to see in
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Thunderbolts. But just the Red Guardian and
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The Winter Soldier, they are like on such opposite planes of
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the spectrum that you can get as far as assassins are because Red
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Guardian is all mouth and Bucky is literally no talk, all
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action. So it was just really bugging me
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because I was like, at any point in time, I'm ready for Winter
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Soldier to just be like, shut up, shut up.
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I was. I was waiting for a Deadpool and
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Wolverine moment between the two of them.
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And I think if I had gotten that, I might have been OK.
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And then I get the feeling that once again, this is like a
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Thunderbolts prequel because I I, I'm like you, you literally
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have Bill Foster. Not necessarily Thunderbolts,
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but they gets you to ghost. You know, I don't know it that
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that was again, references, callbacks, setups, whatever.
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Why can't you just write the freaking what if episode?
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Yeah, this is good premise. What if Bucky?
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OK, but why was Red guardian there for real?
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Like I I was they were going to reassign him to Ohio.
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Like, you know, if you hadn't seen black.
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Widow. Then it wouldn't make any sense
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to you. It just seems weird.
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Yeah, but that's what they were doing.
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They were reassigning him to Ohio and he didn't want to do it
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because he's like, I'm, I'm the Super soldier of Russia.
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I got. That I got that, I got that.
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But if you hadn't seen Black Widow, do you even know who this
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character is? Wasn't he in the previous win If
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episode? Who regarding him Was there was
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one? Was he in the Oh he?
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Was in the first one, right, Right.
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Yeah, he was in the. First one.
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As an Avenger on top of that, right?
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So yeah. Then if you don't, if you hadn't
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seen that man, you would know who Bill Foster was.
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Why is he? Why is he giant man like?
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Yeah. I, I, I, again, I like the
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chemistry between the two of them.
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I enjoyed the banter. I was like, you waiting for
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Becky to snap and like that's I'm done with you.
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I was waiting for that. And you know, it was, it was a
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fact. Watching Bill Fox to run was
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hilarious. Watching them both.
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OK, so the Red Guardian beats him up the first time, but he
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couldn't do it the second time for some strange reason.
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And then Becky beats him up. Bill Foster, you go back to the
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office, Sir. Just go back to the office.
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Let's. Go back to.
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That to me, Bill Foster having the suit and this one kind of
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reminds me of Roadie having I just no, no, it's not working
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for you. It's no, no, because if
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anything, you could have been that big and you could have
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stopped them from driving off the what was that?
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The Grand Canyon or whatever that Cliff was that they were
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driving. Off where they knew they were.
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I don't know if there's a cornfield near the Grand Canyon.
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I seriously doubt that. Oh yeah, there's a cornfield
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over there. OK, yeah.
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But yeah, Mike, what did you think about it?
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My grandmother, of course. It was great.
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I mean what? What?
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We're not teasing you, we're just we're still laughing about.
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You're laughing about because of the Grand Canyon.
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I just. OK.
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Because I have it playing right here and like, Oh my God, you
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said not a cornfield about the Grand Canyon.
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Yeah. OK.
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So yes, OK, come. On Mike.
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Yes, I'm OK yes, as as everyone who's listening knows, Mike
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enjoys enjoys what ifs immensely.
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And yes, I enjoyed this woman immensely.
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I was I've been looking forward to this since they gave us the
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teaser at the end of the last season of what if?
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Like they gave, they gave us like the snippet of them going
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to the roadblock and going past the roadblock.
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I thought that this is like this is the buddy movie I didn't know
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I needed, but I'm glad I got OK. So going back to why Bucky
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didn't shoot him, so but I have a theory.
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I think that there's either one or two things going on here.
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Either he's I'm pretty sure that he's probably worked with him
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before is possible, or maybe there's something in his
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programming that prevents him from killing him.
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But or something like that, I don't know.
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But at any rate, I love them going going together.
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I mean, and Bucky tried to shoot him three times.
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He's he tried he tried to shoot him three times.
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So they did this that like Bucky didn't try to kill him.
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He. Yeah, but they were they were
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kind of fighting then. So it's kind of understandable
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that he avoided it. But like when they're sitting
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right there in the car, I mean, I don't know what a gunshot
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would have done to the Red Guardian because he is super
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soldier. So maybe the bullet would have
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just bounced off him or something.
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But it just would have been nice to see like a little bit of that
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that dynamic. Like I said, I wanted a little
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bit of Deadpool and Wolverine with these two, but.
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Yeah, I, I, I really enjoyed it. I'm shout out to Bucky for
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biting him in the fight and like, like doing whatever it
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took, whatever it took to try to win the fight.
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And I was like. Fighting is cheating.
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And then he proceeds to pull his hair.
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I'm like, hey, guys, and then I mean I enjoyed him trying to
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convert the McDonald's employee to communism or socialism,
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whichever, whichever ISM he was at.
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Boy and a was like paper hats and certitude exceeds the means
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of production. When do you get to eat?
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She's like, I'm a I'm a vegetarian.
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You fart knocker and shout to them saying fart knocker.
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I haven't. I haven't heard that in like
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10-15 years. I've never heard that expression
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and don't need to hear it ever again.
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And shout, shout, shout, the Bucky turning, turning on this
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move this like he was talking to like he was talking to Sam's
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sister and diffusing the situation.
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That's the other funny thing, because that was definitely
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Bucky Barnes and not Winter Soldier.
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Yeah, I like how he's like, he was like your idiocy, your your
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idiocy triggered my deep cover mode.
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I was like, oh see, that's. Perfect, Yeah.
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I'm I'm glad we got to kill Jebadiah again.
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I mean so so I heard Jebadiah. Jedid, Jedidiah.
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Sting. I'm glad we got to kill him
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again instead of Tony Stark this time.
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I'm like, cool. Then that I was just like, I, I
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felt so bad for for the Red Guardian because he was just
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sitting there like his world just came apart.
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He was like, Red the Rook is communist pig, I the director is
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Communist pig, Red Guardian work for Communist pig.
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I was like. Capitalist pig.
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Capitalist pig. Capitalist pig, Yeah.
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He was like, I mean, his world 'cause it came apart.
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I was like, damn, that's fucked. And but yeah.
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It's so funny because when they're having that interaction,
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the again, the Red Guardian is talking so much and Winter
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soldiers just looking back and forth like So what are we doing?
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It was So what are we doing? What the fuck are you talking
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about? Will you kill this man already
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or whatever? Are we shooting him or?
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Right. I actually it's kind of weird
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shout out to Bucky given in Vegas giving giving Goliath a
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sure you can and like sure you can uppercut and knocking him
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out. I was like, like, yeah, like,
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I'm wow. I was glad to see Bill Foster
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and I'm glad that Laurence Fishburne still getting that
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getting them Bill Foster checks. Get that money.
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Look that shit up. He just he was like, you know,
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if they were serious, I could have ended this a long time ago.
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But these guys are just fucking idiots.
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And I can't get a hold. I can't figure out how to count,
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how to corral this situation. It's like he threw, he threw a
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damn windmill like a like a like a shuriken.
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I was like, OK, like you, this should be over with.
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But no, you, you can't can't do anything with the Super
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soldiers. But yeah, I liked it.
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I was just shout out to shout out to Red Guardian for calling
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him Hydra trash when he when he heard him trying.
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To get. Like what's the hydra trash
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Hydra. Trash, yeah.
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Talking about Winter Soldier. He's not.
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He's not. Even a real Russian, Yeah.
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He's probably in the Pony Island.
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That was awesome. But see, there was.
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So many really good like one line zingers like especially
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when Agent Morales was like, Oh yeah, Russell's a Bigfoot.
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He's like what? He's like, Oh no, she's like,
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no, it was a Mountain Lion. But anyway.
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Still right. Or when when when he grew the
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first time she was like, oh, OK, I see you.
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Right. And then after she talked about
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the the Mountain Lion, he was like, OK, I see you.
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I was like, oh, do we have something?
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Going on simple this OK. OK, when they're sitting there
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talking and they're looking at Jedediah on the ground and
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they're like, OK, so the Starks are this, but not the baby.
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And then you see Bucky and the Red Guardian falling down the
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side of the hotel. I feel like I'm watching, like
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I'm trying to think of what a good buddy cop rush hour.
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That's what it feels like. Feels like Jackie Chan and Chris
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Tucker just doing some shenanigans.
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But instead it's 2 super powered soldiers who are just Oh my
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goodness. Let let they you know this was
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this was a fun episode. I'm like Mike I I enjoyed it.
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It was fun. I had.
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Fun, but like I said, it's. Not.
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It's got a lot of issues, but it's fun.
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Alexa just need to be shot one or two times.
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I mean, I don't want him dead because again, I like the Red
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Guardian. I like his humor.
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But one thing I think is that sometimes the humor, especially
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when it's a lot, it doesn't necessarily come through in
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animation as it would like in in live action because you don't
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get David Harbour's facial expressions, you don't get the
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body language, And I think sometimes it just gets lost in
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translation. But again, I like his character.
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I just felt like Winter Soldier would have taken care of that
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after a while. But you know, I guess they do
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make kind of a good team. Not as good as Bucky and Sam,
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but they. Are but it was it was good, it
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was good. This reminded me of the the same
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feeling I had watching the Hot Wheels episode The Weather with.
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The hot. Wheels Episode.
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Yeah, when they were with, when they were with, when they were
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with. What was it with Jeff Goldblum?
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Yeah, when they were on the call.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's.
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A. Race yeah, the rap fight was it
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was fun. It was fun.
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You know, it was different. It was fun.
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I thought this was fun. And the wooded premise, like you
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kind of have to stretch a little bit about why he was there to
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stop him. And, you know, you think about
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all the ramifications of of that situation, but this is kind of
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cool. And yeah, I I had the the scene
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playing again. Yeah.
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He was trying to kill him. He he was, he was in not trying
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to kill Riga. He was literally trying to kill
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him. And, and I don't think that's as
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easy a task, you know, for Becky, just like when he was
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trying to kill Cap, he was trying to kill Steve.
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It's not that easy. Yeah.
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But it was, it was interesting. I wish, I wish, I wish they
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would have at least like tried to do the whole hand holding
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thing when they went over the over the ledge of the Canyon.
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Like just give me like a little bit.
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It's like, I mean at least raise your raise your hand a little
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bit. Like I mean, oh and shout out,
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shout out to when they when they went over the side, like when
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they did the cutscenes, when they showed the Ranger, then
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they showed they showed Bill Foster, then they showed they
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showed the guardian, then they showed Bucky, then they cut
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aside and showed the watcher going like are they really doing
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that shit? So I like the fact that so far
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the watcher he is still stayed behind the scenes like he's
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supposed to. And then it's like when certain
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things happen, he's just kind of like, you know, we get a little
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bit of reaction from him. Like in the last episode when he
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was talking about them having a happy ending and then the the
00:23:28
celestial showed up behind him. He was like, but who doesn't
00:23:31
love a good clip? But yeah, I this episode was fun
00:23:40
and I'm, I'm looking back towards the the end of where I'm
00:23:44
looking at the end of the episode now.
00:23:46
And I'm like, OK, so you do get a little bit of a, a friendship
00:23:49
moment with them before everything happens and, and
00:23:53
Bucky gets taken again. But I think the other thing
00:23:56
about this is we're so used to hearing about what a bad guy
00:24:02
Drakoff is. You know, this is the guy who
00:24:05
overseas the Red Room. He's responsible for Natasha
00:24:09
Romanoff and, you know, all of the the Widows and also in this
00:24:13
one, you know, The Winter Soldier.
00:24:17
And I was just like, I don't know if I feel like he's a as
00:24:23
big a threat. You see, he seemed like, he
00:24:26
seemed like a, like a district manager, like he's, he's like,
00:24:29
he's just like reassigning, reassigning people like to
00:24:32
places like he's sending him to Iowa.
00:24:34
He's like doing all kinds of paperwork instead of actually
00:24:37
doing, getting his hands dirty and doing things like like, you
00:24:42
know, training and training and doing doing bad things to the
00:24:47
trainees and stuff like that and beating people up.
00:24:49
Like you just seem like we just seem like middle.
00:24:51
Man, don't we? Don't we see my black?
00:24:53
You know, didn't she kill me? Black Widow.
00:24:56
Yeah, but yeah, but he. No, he, we think she killed him,
00:25:02
but we did not see a body. He got on.
00:25:04
He got on one of the planes and it, it, you know, when the
00:25:08
building was collapsing and I think the plane exploded.
00:25:11
But again, we never see a body. And he, I think he may have had.
00:25:16
Yeah, I, I don't know. And, and, and people like that,
00:25:20
you know, they don't get into that position without having a
00:25:23
few bodies in the closet. Yeah.
00:25:27
So he doesn't, he looks like he's, you know, the leader the
00:25:33
the Prime Minister of the country.
00:25:35
But we know that he's done some shady things to become, you
00:25:39
know, he's in his position. I'm not talking about nobody in
00:25:43
general. I'm just saying guys, guys in,
00:25:48
in Russia, they, they, they always start out somewhere to
00:25:52
get to that, that level trial. He tried to get Bucky to kill
00:25:55
kill the right guardian like he called him and tried tried to
00:25:58
order him to take the right guardian out but he didn't.
00:26:01
Yeah, yeah. OK.
00:26:05
So I'm thinking, OK, I like this episode more than I did before
00:26:09
we started talking about this. I mean, it was a fun episode.
00:26:12
And like, I think the only thing that really did irritate me was
00:26:18
the amount of talking Alexi did. Because again, I'm, I'm so used
00:26:23
to in my head like The Winter Soldier being this quiet, like
00:26:27
silent killer. And so to kind of have this,
00:26:32
this very loud visual present, yeah, boisterous presence with
00:26:39
him. And then we get to see a little
00:26:42
bit more of, of Bucky Barnes, even though he doesn't know
00:26:46
that's who he is. It's, it was just very weird to
00:26:49
me, 'cause I'm like, no, I don't know.
00:26:51
Because I, I think if, if The Winter Soldier had been given
00:26:56
these orders to kill Howard Stark and Maria Stark and he got
00:27:01
interrupted, like you said, Mike, he did try to shoot the
00:27:03
Red Guardian. It didn't take.
00:27:06
But then for them to be in the in the woods while the police
00:27:10
get there and they're still like Red Garden is still talking
00:27:14
while Becky is sitting there telling Drake off that he failed
00:27:17
the mission and he's just like failed the mission.
00:27:22
I've never failed the mission. I don't think live action Winter
00:27:26
Soldier would have done that. He wouldn't have said shit.
00:27:28
He would have shot Red Garden. He would have gone back out
00:27:30
there, killed Howard and Maria and killed all the police too.
00:27:33
I just feel like that's what Winter Soldier would do because
00:27:37
no witnesses, but OK, if we're taking all of that out, I guess,
00:27:45
I guess I can see him not shooting Alexi, but Alexi is one
00:27:49
of those people. It's just kind of like he has a
00:27:52
lot of mouth and sometimes you just want to silence and maybe
00:27:56
he didn't have to shoot him. Maybe he just need to punch him
00:27:59
in the mouth and make him hush for a little bit.
00:28:01
That would have been OK. I feel like Mike and I did
00:28:05
something we got you to like an episode.
00:28:07
What if? And I'm usually the one who's
00:28:09
not like. Well, like I said, it's not that
00:28:11
I didn't like the episode to begin with.
00:28:13
Alexi was just a bit much for me, especially when you're
00:28:20
talking about him and Winter Soldier.
00:28:22
It's it's just like, like I said, you got one that's way up
00:28:26
here, one that's way down here. And so trying to make my mind
00:28:29
accept this enough to meet in the middle.
00:28:32
I was just like, but as I'm watching it in the background
00:28:35
while we're talking about, I was like, OK, I guess it wasn't all
00:28:39
that bad. Like yeah, Alexi is a a
00:28:41
motormouth, but he is funny, so I'll give him that.
00:28:47
And again, like I said, it's it's it's more so about the,
00:28:53
the, I guess the animation not matching the voice or, or what I
00:28:57
expect because I'm so used to with Red Guardian, watching him
00:29:02
in Black Widow and then seeing him in the trailers for
00:29:05
Thunderbolts. You get the humor, but you also
00:29:07
get the facial expressions and you also get to see how dumb he
00:29:10
looks. And, you know, just the
00:29:12
different physical ways that David Harbour brings that
00:29:17
character to life. And it's kind of, I don't really
00:29:19
get that as much with the animation, especially when it
00:29:23
comes to humor sometimes because I really feel like with humor,
00:29:26
especially that kind of humor where you just constantly
00:29:29
talking non-stop, you have to see it physically.
00:29:33
At least for me it's the same way with Deadpool.
00:29:35
Like I don't have to envision Ryan Reynolds face because when
00:29:39
I see Deadpool, it's just kind of the his body language, the
00:29:43
way he speaks, what he's saying in the comedy.
00:29:46
So OK, yeah, it's it, it, it's fine.
00:29:50
It's. Fine.
00:29:50
And to be fair, to be fair, Bucky was kind of sick of him
00:29:53
spouting his his communist manifesto too.
00:29:56
He was like, damn, you're more brainwashed than I am.
00:29:59
So not gonna be the first though again, right?
00:30:03
Right. But at the end when they they
00:30:06
get they get Bucky back in the the red room or wherever Drakov
00:30:13
takes him and they they go through the whole thing, they
00:30:16
brainwash him again so he forgets everything.
00:30:19
Which, OK, I'm like, you give us all of this for the episode.
00:30:23
You make them become bosom buddies and then you have him
00:30:27
forget everything that happened. I'm like, do we have to do this
00:30:32
again? OK, whatever.
00:30:34
I mean, but then let's. You.
00:30:36
Get the ending. Everything can have a happy
00:30:38
ending. I know, I know, but that's the
00:30:40
one thing about Winter Soldier. I'm like, he deserves a happy
00:30:43
ending, but maybe not in this episode, but we'll see.
00:30:46
But Alexis still ends up being a PE teacher 'cause I think he's
00:30:51
'cause he's had an, I mean, he's had enough.
00:30:53
He's literally like turned on Drake off and basically like,
00:30:58
OK, I'm gonna go be an Avenger and stand in the middle of the
00:31:01
famous Avenger. That was awesome.
00:31:07
I like how they went to the end to be like, oh, is he gonna be
00:31:09
he's gonna take Kat's place. Like Nope, caps there that he
00:31:12
just butts is like. Aha, yeah, and Natasha's looking
00:31:16
like the hell so. Apparently he didn't like raise
00:31:21
her. No, because he would have had to
00:31:23
have gone to Ohio for that to happen.
00:31:26
So being a senior data input manager.
00:31:29
Yeah. God, that sounds boring.
00:31:30
That makes sense. Or or he could have raised her.
00:31:34
And because I mean, again, Natasha as an Avengers, she is
00:31:40
at, you know, she defected from from the Red Room.
00:31:44
So they could have had that in common and been like, oh, OK, I
00:31:49
don't know. But yeah, that that's going to
00:31:51
be funny. But that explains how he got to
00:31:52
be an Avenger in the first episode, because when they were
00:31:55
doing that whole first episode of him and Molina were there, I
00:31:59
said how how? But it can hold different set of
00:32:04
Avengers. So it could've worked.
00:32:07
It could've worked. He could've decided, OK, I'm
00:32:09
gonna be an Avenger in memory of my daughter Natasha, because she
00:32:14
would've been in that first line of Avengers that fought the that
00:32:20
fought the apex creature and and lost.
00:32:22
So, yeah. But OK, so we like this episode.
00:32:30
So we're kind of episode 1 was kind of split like this.
00:32:33
Episode 2 was kind of split like that.
00:32:36
So episode 3 I think is more on even even ground, right.
00:32:41
Yeah. Yeah, I would say so.
00:32:43
OK. Yeah.
00:32:44
And then mainly just built on on the chemistry between the two of
00:32:49
them. Yeah.
00:32:50
And the chemistry between Bill Foster and and and Ranger and
00:32:54
regardless wasn't wasn't bad either.
00:32:57
Yeah. Yeah, I I could.
00:32:59
I was thinking, oh, that's ghost mother.
00:33:03
Yeah, I was that. That's where my mind went.
00:33:06
You know, I was thinking, what if, what if this is Louise's
00:33:10
mom? Who is Louisa?
00:33:13
Louise from Ant Man, the one who made the back stories.
00:33:19
You made the best part of Ant man.
00:33:22
Yes, that's the best part of Ant.
00:33:24
Man that would be funny as shit. I don't know his last name but
00:33:28
I'm like oh but is it you know, his mom?
00:33:31
His mom died or get deported or his dad died and his mom got
00:33:34
deported. I can't remember.
00:33:36
It was one, yeah. It was one or the other.
00:33:38
I. Can't.
00:33:40
He may have seen it one or the other.
00:33:43
Yeah. OK.
00:33:45
So we have 5 more episodes of what if they are releasing daily
00:33:50
up until the 8th episode and then that's going to be it for
00:33:52
the series. So even though the first two
00:33:55
episodes this season we were kind of mixed on, I still think
00:33:59
overall this is a good series. I I like what they've done so
00:34:03
far. I do know that we're going to
00:34:06
see some characters from last season and some of the later
00:34:09
episodes because of what we got in the trailer.
00:34:12
So I am looking forward to that. I do see that Cohorty is coming
00:34:17
back, which I'm excited about because that was one of the
00:34:20
episodes. I think Anthony, you mentioned
00:34:22
it in the last episode when we talked about episode 2 that, you
00:34:26
know, hers is a story that was original and we still enjoyed it
00:34:31
because we had no expectations for what to expect with it.
00:34:35
So now that we know a little bit about her character and what her
00:34:38
character, what her MO is and what she's about, how is this
00:34:43
going to fit into whatever they're doing with her for this
00:34:46
season? I'm excited to see that.
00:34:49
I think there were a couple of things.
00:34:51
I saw a cowboy, Shang Shi, which intrigues me.
00:34:55
So yeah. And I, I really hope we get to
00:34:57
see Moonlight again because of the net.
00:34:59
I don't know when we're going to see him.
00:35:01
I was laughing because Nick made a Nick.
00:35:06
One of our listeners had watched the Kahori episode, I think it
00:35:10
was, and he mentioned how I said that he was not the same.
00:35:14
No, we're watching. He was talking about Echo and I
00:35:16
was saying that the blue stuff in Echo not the same as the blue
00:35:21
stuff. And if Nick doesn't understand
00:35:24
that, Nick, I'll be happy to explain it to you.
00:35:27
Send me a damn. We're not going to have this
00:35:31
discussion if you don't have any final thoughts on this episode.
00:35:36
Shout out to the Red Guardians the way he way he ran away like
00:35:40
especially in Vegas when he was like, like running like this
00:35:45
like. See, that's something I want to
00:35:47
see David Harbour do, and I hope we get to see that in
00:35:49
Thunderbolt. We probably will.
00:35:51
It's awesome. I enjoyed him being the way he
00:35:53
was even though he's the worst Tetris player ever.
00:35:56
Like he's in there playing Tetris and.
00:35:58
Dude, I was so mad watching that.
00:35:59
I was like how are you eat? Like do you even know how to
00:36:03
play this game? And I was like turn it, turn it
00:36:06
like oh like I just made me mad. Shout out to them like right
00:36:10
before they showed Bucky the last last scene they had
00:36:13
together being kind of reminiscent of Butch and
00:36:15
Sundance, like going out for the last big hurrah.
00:36:19
Like I thought that was really cool.
00:36:21
Shout out to Bucky being shouldn't trying to be on West
00:36:24
Coast customs by turning that car into a convertible in like 5
00:36:27
seconds when they were driving. I was like, he just went.
00:36:30
I was like damn this should happen real quick and oh have
00:36:40
y'all seen Charlie the first Charlie's Angels?
00:36:43
Yes, are. You talking about the original
00:36:46
or are you talking about? The first the first movie, yes.
00:36:50
OK so the scene where he was getting ready to meet the Rook
00:36:53
like reminded me of the 1st movie when they thought they
00:36:55
were going to be Charlie where you were like like how do I look
00:36:58
How's my hair like is this do I look?
00:37:00
OK, that's how he was. That's how he was and Bucky was
00:37:05
looking at him. Like what's wrong with this
00:37:08
dude? Like I feel like that was the
00:37:10
running commentary in Bucky's head the whole episode he kept,
00:37:14
he just kept looking at Red Guardian.
00:37:16
Like what is wrong with this man?
00:37:20
What is wrong with him? Then, you know, no one knows,
00:37:23
but I loved it. And and I think I think this is
00:37:26
a great episode. I love that.
00:37:29
I, I love all the little, the little like tropes that they put
00:37:33
in there, like finding a vet, finding a veterinarian,
00:37:35
veterinarian's office to suture their wounds and like, and like
00:37:40
hide out until the until the heats off.
00:37:42
I was like, oh, convenient. Cool.
00:37:45
Yeah. It's like he's like just getting
00:37:47
the kids, getting the cats. Yeah, Bailey.
00:37:51
Bailey wants to be a veterinarian.
00:37:52
I'm going to have to make sure that she has an upgraded
00:37:55
security system. Yeah.
00:37:57
Make make sure she doesn't work late hours and she might run
00:37:59
into like a superhero coming in. There.
00:38:02
So shout out to Alexi for calling out how weak American
00:38:05
children are because of American access.
00:38:08
Oh God, those poor. Kids.
00:38:13
They, they, they. They look, yeah.
00:38:16
Children. He wasn't wrong with a lot of
00:38:20
the things he was saying. That's the thing.
00:38:22
He wasn't exactly wrong. He was wearing those kids out
00:38:31
like them kids didn't want to see another dodgeball for or for
00:38:34
the. Rest of their lives.
00:38:35
I mean, have you played dodgeball?
00:38:37
I wouldn't either. We, we had a SO yesterday was
00:38:43
Christmas and we were over at my, my in laws house, my ex in
00:38:47
laws and there's a toddler in the house.
00:38:51
My, my ex-husband has a almost 3 year old.
00:38:53
And so he has all of these different little balls around
00:38:56
the house that my kids were playing with him with.
00:38:58
And he has a small, like, orange ball that's kind of got like
00:39:02
these little spikes, but it looks like a miniature
00:39:06
dodgeball. And all three of my kids and I,
00:39:08
we looked at that like, oh, trauma.
00:39:10
Like we have trauma, traumatic memories.
00:39:17
Oh, OK. So.
00:39:19
One one thing I forgot to mention about the first episode,
00:39:26
there was a moment where where the Hulk hits the apex and it
00:39:34
makes a sound from the original. Dollar man, Yeah.
00:39:40
Yeah, well, from the original Incredible Hulk.
00:39:43
See, that's what I thought too. But Mike said it was a $6
00:39:46
million man. And I was like, really?
00:39:48
Because I thought it was the original Incredible Hulk.
00:39:51
I think the sounds are. Similar.
00:39:52
It's a similar it's. The 70s, they don't, they only
00:39:55
have they only have like so many sounds that they make cause
00:39:58
like. Like only because only because
00:40:01
someone only because someone had posted the fight between.
00:40:06
Between, I'm sorry, between David Banner, The Incredible
00:40:10
Hulk and the gorilla episodes and it was making that sound me
00:40:16
through it was I just it was. Weird.
00:40:18
That's what I heard too. And I was like, wait, they
00:40:20
played the sound effect and then like I said, all the other 80s
00:40:23
stuff because one of the things that you didn't mention,
00:40:27
Anthony, as far as all the things they were pulling from,
00:40:30
you forgot to mention. Well, did you mention gremlins?
00:40:33
They were pulling from gremlins too, because I.
00:40:36
I I it's heavy. Yeah, I forgot.
00:40:39
Yeah, so that was fun, but OK. Anyway, so we have what, 5
00:40:47
episodes left, OK. And the next one, OK, we already
00:40:51
going to warn y'all because the next episode is Howard the Duck
00:40:55
and y'all know how Mike is about Howard the Duck, so yeah.
00:41:01
Just get, just get ready. I'm gonna apologize in advance,
00:41:04
'cause I'm gonna does. Even if it's a bad episode, I'm
00:41:06
gonna like it. I don't care.
00:41:07
I'm gonna, I'm just gonna get on everybody's nerves.
00:41:09
It doesn't matter. It could be, it could be the
00:41:11
worst directed and written episode.
00:41:13
My boys on there. I don't care watching my boy.
00:41:17
Yep. So.
00:41:19
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00:41:24
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