#marvel #whatif #MCU Marvel's What If...? series returns for its third and final season. Bruce Banner's attempt to rid himself of the Hulk creates a monstrous threat that almost ends the world. With the use of Mech technology, the Avengers defeat the threat, paying the ultimate price. Ten years later, a new threat arises and the new Avengers team - lead by Sam Wilson as Captain America - must find a way to be victorious once again. But what price will they pay to save the world?
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Mike and we are discussing the return of Marvel's What If
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series for the third and final season, Episode 1.
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It's so good, Marvel presents Pacific Rim versus Godzilla.
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So I was actually thinking of it as if the Hulk, Godzilla and
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Gizmo had a baby. It will be this episode.
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Not just because of the apex creature, but I mean there were
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so many. Like watching this episode, I
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was thinking about you and I was like, Mike is going to enjoy
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this because there are so many 80s references.
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So many. First of all, they started it
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out like a vintage 80s cartoon for The Avengers, and it was
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talking about how The Avengers had to save the world from these
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apex beings because of the Hulk, blah blah blah blah blah.
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And you have this girl, she's like trying to get it to work
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because it stops. And then all of a sudden she
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finds that she is actually in basically the world that she was
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just watching on watching on the Internet.
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Yeah, I I love that because the cartoon looked like it looked
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like those The Amazing Spider Man cartoons.
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Like it had it had like the same kind of vibe to it.
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And shout out to them for giving Tony Stark marvelous fucking
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hair in that thing. Like his shit was just like.
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Who is this? Not Tony Stark.
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He looks like he needs to be. What's what?
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What was his name? Was it Fabio?
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The guy who used to be on the romance covers?
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Yeah. Yeah, he was definitely techie
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Fabio. And that that was like, that
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shit is magnificent. Damn, him and Thor had
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magnificent hair. I was like, shit.
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Right, so the episode is about the Gamma Wars, which has to do
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with Hulk's character. Very in depth and one of the
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things I like about this episode and actually one of the things
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that I love about what if, and this is something we have talked
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about before, is because they take Marvel characters from
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seemingly different, not necessarily universes, but you
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have characters who have never interacted together before and
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they throw them into these team UPS and you look at them and
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you're like, why can't I get this in live action?
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Because when I saw the names at the beginning of the episode, we
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had Oscar Isaac. I was like, wait, we're getting
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moon night in this episode. You had similar you.
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I was like Shang Shi, I'm here for I didn't even know what the
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episode was about. I was just looking and then you
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see Tiana pair. What?
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Wait, we get a Monica Rambo too. This episode had them all and it
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was so much fun because. I had to figure Red Guardian,
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Red Guardian and. Molina.
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And what's her name? And Molina, even though it was
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resident Rachel Weisz and it had the key I was trying to figure
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out. The first time I watched, I was
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like, who is the what? Condon.
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I was like, it's not Shuri. I was like, oh, it's Nokia.
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Nokia. But it's not Lupita.
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No, I think she and Rachel were the only two original actresses
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who were not in this episode. But you had Anthony Mackie, you
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had Sebastian Stan, you had. Yana Paris, David Harbour
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symbol. View.
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So. Mark Ruffalo So I was so excited
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when I saw all the names 'cause I was like, OK, this story is
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about to be bananas. Bananas.
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It was bananas, but it was bananas in a good way.
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I loved it. So again, we're talking about
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the Gamma Wars, and this one is focused on the Hulk.
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And you see the beginning of the episode where you have the whole
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or excuse me, you have Bruce Banner and Sam Wilson doing the
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whole running around the block and on your left.
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But instead of Cap, no being the one, or instead of Steve Rogers
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being the one who was kind of making the circles around Sam,
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it was Sam making the circles around Bruce Banner.
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And they strike up a friendship. And of course, one of the things
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about Bruce Banner in all of the movies is that he is heavily
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burdened by the Hulk's presence and how, you know, his
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destructive nature and it kind of takes a toll on his
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personality. And so that's kind of where we
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are with the start of this story because Bruce goes to Sam's
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support group for therapy to kind of, you know, try to get
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some help, try to get some clarity about how he feels about
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having to share the his body with the Hulk.
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And then he decides which really, Bruce, you're supposed
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to be smarter than this. But he decides that if Gamma was
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the reason why the hope became into existence, he figures that
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he will try to do something using Gamma to reverse.
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I know Mike shaking his head to reverse what was done.
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To try to, to try to expel the hope from himself.
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And I'm like. Oh, he did some expelling all
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right. I mean, how are you so smart and
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so stupid? Let's go back real quick.
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How about Sam going really simple instead of incredibly
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complex? Like he was like, I've tried
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yoga. I've tried being spiritual that
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he's like, have you tried talking to somebody?
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He's like, huh, I'm like the bullshit.
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It's like, you know, I mean, and it actually worked for a second.
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If you wouldn't kind of hit by that boom on Sam's Sam's boat,
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he might have been OK. Yeah.
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But then he changed back and went off and decided, you know,
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I'm going to tell myself with more gamma radiation because,
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you know, that's not that's not going to make make the whole do
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anything weird, right? No, I'm like, you're so smart,
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You're stupid. It's like why are you trying to
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you you keep trying to take a solution to this and it's like
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you basically he basically gave me a solution.
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When you talk to him, you were pretty much in control.
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It's like, you know, he did and he's just too smart for his own
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good. And here we go.
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He gets and split the animation for the split of the a him from
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the apex. Yes.
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Oh my God. But again, another 80s reference
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because I'm looking at this and basically what happens is I
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guess the Hulk part, the the bad part of the Hulk splits from
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Bruce Banner and then he starts I guess expelling.
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It's literally Gizmo and Stripe. It's literally.
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Gizmo and Stripe, yes. And that's what I was thinking.
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I was like, oh, so we got Gremlins in the in the Marvel
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Universe. And then then he spawns the
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other ones from popping off his back and I'm like oh that's 100%
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gremlins like yo. And that's not a good thing,
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because if they're not. Good at.
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All if they're anywhere near as destructive as the gremlins
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were, then yeah, and. And we see they they're. 1000
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times the size. It's like.
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Right, so you, you basically have this war with this apex
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being being the Hulk and these thousands of little hulks or
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whatever you want to I, I forgot what they called them.
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But so it it becomes this huge war because The Avengers are,
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you know, they're trying to fight them.
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They're trying to defeat them. They can't defeat them on their
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own. So they end up with these tech
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suits that they use to try to fight them and they still can't
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beat them. Now The funny thing about the
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tech suits, I was like, OK, so am I watching Voltron or am I
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watching Gobots or am I watching Pacific Rim or it was just.
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Watching G Force, I mean it's basically every 80s anime just
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balled up together in one. I'm telling you, this episode
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was a love letter to the 80s because because of the
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references, even at one point when when the Hulk is fighting,
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you hear the sound effect that you used to hear in the
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Incredible Hulk show back in the 70s and 80s when he's trying to
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hear the I can't, I can't duplicate the sound.
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You're like $6 million, man. Yes, 6.
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Dollar, is that what it was? OK.
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Yes, Yeah, yes. I was like wow. 80s love fest.
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It really was. That was awesome.
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But what happens in the episode is ten years after this first
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gamma war, supposedly they they defeated these gamma beasts,
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they sunk to the bottom of the ocean.
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It's 10 years of peace. And then all of a sudden you
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hear something on the radar. You see something on the radar
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like, oh, we're getting a gamma signature here where it's not
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supposed to be one. OK, y'all already know.
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Y'all should have went into this knowing you.
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That's why you always, you always double tap, you always
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make sure make sure that the job is done.
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You got to make, you got to make sure that the the apex is dead.
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If the apex is not dead, the job's not done.
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It's like you know he's going to come back sometime.
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It's like you, you have to make sure that happens.
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It's like what? And it's like I.
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Don't know. So Sam obviously is in charge of
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this group of Avengers and you have, you have Sam Wilson, you
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have Monica Rambo, you have a very different looking monkey
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Barnes, because I didn't even realize that was Bucky when I
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first saw him because I'm not used to him with the short knee
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haircut. It was just weird.
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And I'm sitting here looking like that sounds like Sebastian
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Stan, but it doesn't look like Bucky and he doesn't act like
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Bucky. But of course, this is a
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different version of Bucky. You have she as part of it.
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We got fucking moon night, which is why I'm wearing moon night
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shirt. Not in the way that we wanted
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him because I'm still waiting for that Season 2 of Moon Night,
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but right now I will take him however I can get up.
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I was so excited when I saw Oscar Isaac's name in the
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opening credits. I was like, yes, we're getting
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Moon Night and oh, Mike is going to Mike is going to blow his
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lid. I.
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Yep, and and he's Mark Spector instead of He was Mark Spector
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in this too, so it's. Well, that makes sense because I
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don't think, I think Steven, in the iteration that we met him
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before he kind of realized what he was and who he was, I don't
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think he would have fit well in this version of events.
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Like we needed the the the person who is the the fighter,
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the soldier, the one who can get some shit done.
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And Jake, Jake is too off the wall.
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Like Jake. Jake would have just gotten
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everybody killed. Yeah.
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And technically speaking, we've only like very briefly met Jake.
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So I don't think it would have made sense for them to put him
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in. It's because everybody body
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would be like OK so why are y'all giving us this version of
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the character and we couldn't even get his story yet so.
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Right, man, Mark. Mark's definitely the better
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tactician of the two that we've met.
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So it's like, yeah, it makes 100 percent, 100% makes sense.
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And he was really good in this album.
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I mean, the little bit I got, I was like, OK, I'm happy.
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That'll work. Yeah, I thought it was very
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funny that the Red Guardian and Molina were part of The Avengers
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crew. Yeah, he's like, you know, he
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didn't never set foot in Mother Russia.
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Yeah, but you ran. He was like, I was drawing him
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away. They did.
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The two of the bickering was just hilarious.
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And it's like the whole time, she never cracked a smile.
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She was just sitting there. He was behind like, yeah, He's
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like, she was like, yeah, whatever.
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Yeah. Was awesome.
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I, I enjoyed it because I like seeing how they interact with
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each other. And then in this one, like I
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said, Sam is obvious the leader. And then you have Monica is I
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guess kind of like his second cuz every time you saw him in a
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position of command, it was him, Monica and Bucky.
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And Monica, even though she's the 2nd and in command, you
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almost feel like she's kind of sort of in charge too because
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Sam would give her order. She'd be like, OK, over on the
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side. Hey, Bucky, I know he said don't
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do this, but I need you to go do this.
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I need you to go find out this information.
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Because at this point, 10 years after the Gamma Wars, Bruce
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Banner has fallen off the radar because he realized that instead
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of making things better with the Hulk, he actually made them
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worse. Like brought the world to the
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brink of war. No, excuse me, not even the
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brink of war brought war. So.
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Yeah, but technically it wasn't really his fault though.
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I mean, it's like I understand him feeling responsible, but
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it's like, no. We're not going to do that.
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We're not going to do that. Talking about it's not his fault
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who sat him in the chair with the gamma rays, he did that.
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Sam didn't put him in that chair, no.
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That's what I'm saying it was. Oh, no, Yeah.
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Oh, you were saying? I'm saying that Sam didn't want
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to go see him because he felt responsible for how he turned
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down and for him to want to do that.
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Yeah. And I'm like, that's not his
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fault. Like you did all you could do,
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right? It's like that's on.
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That's on Bruce. Bruce did that shit on his own.
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So yeah, I'm with you on that. OK, so I thought you were
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talking about Bruce, but yeah, I mean, Sam has a little bit of
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guilt, but then also at the same time, he knows that Bruce will
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probably be able to help them, but he's reluctant to go and
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seek him out. He was like, no, we're not going
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to bother him. It it's already too much for him
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and he he won't, I think also he feels like Bruce may not be able
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to handle it, but it's just one of those things where Bruce I
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think he could handle it, but he's feeling guilty because of
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the mess that he's created. And then Sam, like you said, Sam
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is feeling guilty because he feels like he didn't help Bruce
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out enough. And I'm like, OK, first of all,
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y'all with Sam, you gotta understand Bruce is a grown ass
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man. He needs to take responsibility.
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But also you can't tiptoe around him just because you feel like,
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oh, if I say something that'll get him mad, we're going to have
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Hulk issues and Bruce is the one who fucked everything up.
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Bruce needs to take accountability.
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He needs to come and help fix it, which he kind of, sort of
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does at first. That shit could have gone left
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so bad. It really could have.
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It really could have. But he created this program
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which basically is the the Voltron thing, as I mentioned,
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where he the, the tech machines, the the mechanical suits.
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Yeah, yeah, they would merge together and become powerful
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enough to fight this apex being because of course, 10 years
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after they thought that they defeated them, they come back
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and they come back with thousands.
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And you know, it's like you said, they didn't double tap.
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So what happens the the numbers multiply and they were in water
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at that. I don't know if that was on
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purpose, but there's thousands of them now, and if you could,
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if you barely defeated them the first time and those numbers
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were nowhere near what they are now, Yeah, Y'all need to go find
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some other y'all better, Y'all better call to space, call the
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watcher. Hey, can you help?
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But we don't even know, like I don't even know if this is in
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the same timeline as the stories from season 1 to season 2
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because The Watcher is very much out of the picture at this
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point. So we don't know if if these
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stories in season 3 are going to merge.
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What happened in Season 2? Yeah, I think, I think when they
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released the titles, there's going to be something where the
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Watcher gets in trouble for intervening and stuff, but
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that's way further down the line.
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But this is like for the beginning and for our purposes
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in the beginning, like nobody is like Captain cartering this.
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Like they're not the ones they can't hear.
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They can't hear the Watcher like monologuing out on the side or
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anything like that. But it's like, I mean, I thought
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I was the I'm looking at at a thing, looking at the power
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structure. And I was thinking, I was like,
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you know what? It makes sense because Bucky,
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Rambo and Sam are the only ones that actually have military rank
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and they're all captains. So basically they're Co
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captains. OK.
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So it's like that it makes sense that they're in that they're
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leading, leading everything because they're actually they
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actually have leadership experience.
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So it's like, and then there's and Sam smart enough to have
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people to defer to as as opposed to just being cap and being
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calling on shots. He's like, you know, I, you guys
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have valuable experience. So y'all, I need y'all to do
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this with me because that that way I have someone to bounce
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stuff off of. So that makes sense.
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But I mean, yeah, let's, let's, let's go, let's go ahead and
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talk about that. Talk about Hopezilla, that
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motherfucker. Holy shit.
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So like I said, at at at at first when the apex being
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separated from him, I thought Godzilla because of the tail.
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And then when I looked at the structure of him, I was like,
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no, he looks like something else.
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And then towards the end, when Bruce does come back and what he
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does is he takes an old nuclear weapon, a nuclear bomb that was
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in his hideout when Sam went to go find him.
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That, he said, wasn't active. That, he said wasn't active.
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He kind of did something. What did he say?
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He gave the bomb. He put a, he put a gamma core
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inside of it. Right.
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So that it would so that when it exploded, he would absorb all of
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the gamma radiation. And here he goes again, like no,
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don't do this. He's trying to size the fucking
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solution again. Like well, I mean, it kind of
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worked this time. Yeah, but it's like, but it's
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like. Bro.
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He set off, and he set off a Gamma nuclear bomb in New York.
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Yeah, but they had already evacuated.
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So I mean, what whatever he did with that gamma, with that gamma
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bomb was not anything worse than the Apex creature and all the
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thousands of other creatures throwing The Avengers and mocks
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all around the city. So he didn't really do any more
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damage. I mean, it's kind of like
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Independence Day when they were getting ready to set off the
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noose. They're like where everybody is
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already evacuated. So the damages should be minimum
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because we'll stand in the city with all of that.
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You'd be surprised. And people were saying, remember
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Independence Day? People were on top of buildings
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trying to welcome the damn aliens.
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And when the movie started. This was before the aliens
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attacked and they weren't quite sure what was going to happen.
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So we can't really, you can't really compare.
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But if? You know, these days people are
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stupid. You know, they want they'll
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stay. They'll stay for streams and be
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like, they'll be like, they'll be had their headphones be like,
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yeah, we're right here. The bus is right here.
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Oh shit. Yeah, you're right.
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They would do that. But when when the Hulk does
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absorb all the gamma radiation and he grows and he turns into
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the creature, I'm like, OK, no, he's Godzilla.
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And that's why I was thinking I was like the other one.
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Now, it's been a long time since I've seen the older Godzilla
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movies, but I I think I distinctly remember it might not
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have been Mothra, but I distinctly remember there was a
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which. One the ones with the people in
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the suits or like the more recent ones.
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The no, I'm thinking like the older ones because was there not
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a creature that almost looked like he was in a samurai suit
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'cause that's kind of what this creature reminded me of.
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But I'm trying to remember if I'm if I'm remembering.
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There were there were other that God.
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There were so many other shows that had that had characters
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that were. And that's what I'm like, yeah.
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That looked like mix and like that look that that look like
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samurai, big samurai mix. But I'm I'm trying to think if
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there was a monster, I mean, there could have been.
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There's so there's so many monsters.
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It's like, yeah, it honestly could have been.
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But him but him turning into that, into the gods, that Hulk,
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Zilla, whatever we want to call it.
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I was like, wait, so is he going to be able to change back?
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He might not, so he. Absorbed a lot.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean to the point where he was
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breathing gamma fire and that was how he got rid of the apex
00:22:17
creature. He melted him with the with the
00:22:20
gamma fire. I mean he was like the gamma
00:22:22
Highlander. Is this just like when the
00:22:24
Highlander kill somebody and he absorbed the electricity and
00:22:27
shit is like he like he like took he took that big hit of
00:22:29
gamma radiation from burning burning.
00:22:31
Another guy was like there can only be 1 and I was like, OK,
00:22:36
and then when he roared and all all all the other all the other
00:22:40
mini meets with yeah, they. Were like, oh, you're the boss
00:22:43
now we worship. It.
00:22:45
We follow you. Yeah.
00:22:47
Which is what? Which is what they figured what
00:22:50
happened once they were they were like, OK, So what is Bruce
00:22:54
about to do? And why is he about to do this
00:22:57
knowing that, you know, they, they feared that he wouldn't be
00:23:01
able to handle all of that. And then Sam was the one who
00:23:04
figured out no. So yeah, this is what he's
00:23:08
doing. He, he's going to try to beat
00:23:10
the apex so that he can become the apex, you know, beat the
00:23:14
alpha, become the alpha. OK, that, that makes sense.
00:23:19
But now you have Bruce as this big ass creature with all these
00:23:26
little bitty ass creatures following him and they literally
00:23:29
travel through this through the ocean to get back to his little
00:23:33
bunker inside of a volcano. And I'm just like, so are we
00:23:39
sure they're not going to do any damage 'cause even even though
00:23:43
Bruce came in to help them, after he defeated, defeated the
00:23:48
Apex, he turned around like he was about to take them.
00:23:52
And Sean, she was like, Nope, guns.
00:23:54
And what was it, Moon night? No, no, no, that was that was
00:23:57
that was Mark. That was the moon night when I
00:24:00
was like Nope, Crack Country says hit him.
00:24:03
No, I think Sean, she said something about that too.
00:24:06
Because Sean, she was like, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope.
00:24:10
Yeah, and then Sam had his Moana moment with him that was like
00:24:15
Susie was walking up. I was like, is this this the end
00:24:18
of Moana? The first Moana?
00:24:19
Like when the when the when the fucking when the the lava
00:24:23
creature was walking towards her and he she walked towards her
00:24:25
and like turned her back into the right into the forest.
00:24:29
God, I was like, they're Moana in this shit.
00:24:32
I was like, OK, yeah, but it's like that shit was crazy.
00:24:36
Like he he was looking into his eye.
00:24:38
I was like, I like Sam's better than me.
00:24:43
But see, that's who they're that's who they're trying to get
00:24:46
Sam to be in the in the MCU. He's like the guy that he's not
00:24:50
going to solve it with gunfire and bombs.
00:24:53
He's going to solve it with, with dialogue and with, with
00:24:57
trying to like get you to calm down.
00:24:59
It's like that's what, that's the kind of cap he's going to
00:25:01
be. But I mean, we saw that in
00:25:04
Falcon in The Winter Soldier. And they're, and they're just
00:25:08
reinforcing it that that's probably what they're going to
00:25:10
do in the movie, in the movie too, is like they're going to
00:25:13
show how how he he works with his mind before he tries to work
00:25:17
with weaponry. So I mean, this just goes right.
00:25:19
It falls right along with what he does.
00:25:21
And it was awesome. And he was just like, I mean,
00:25:24
Bruce was just I, I can, I mean, I get I'm glad that Bruce took
00:25:33
ownership of what he did and but it's just like, you gotta get
00:25:39
some healing, bro. Like this is it looks like you
00:25:41
gotta figure that shit out like. I don't know if there's that
00:25:44
much healing in the world. I don't know either at this
00:25:47
point. Because, well, one, I mean, oh,
00:25:51
and then I'm looking out, I'm watching it in the background.
00:25:54
And when they did that final shot of him yelling and they did
00:25:59
the face close, close up, he looked like.
00:26:03
That was like the Tyrannosaurus in Jurassic Park.
00:26:05
I was. Like he looks like thing.
00:26:09
They all look like Thing. They all look like a combination
00:26:11
of the Hulk and the Thing. It's like they all was like, I
00:26:13
was like, everybody's clobbering us at once.
00:26:15
Like what the hell? Right.
00:26:17
But. Yeah, yeah.
00:26:21
As far as Bruce goes, like in this particular version of him,
00:26:27
I don't know if Bruce still exists.
00:26:29
I think at this point with the being that he is and with the
00:26:34
the creatures that he now controls and the fact that he's
00:26:37
gone off to his little, you know, exclusive island for a
00:26:44
probably permanent vacation. I yeah, I think Bruce is is
00:26:48
done. I don't think there's any coming
00:26:51
back from this, especially with the amount of gamma radiation he
00:26:56
he absorbed this time. Yeah, I think there's a little
00:26:59
bit in him, but I don't think that it's going he's going to be
00:27:02
able to become brute like human brutes again.
00:27:04
It's like like that's probably out is like he'll probably, I
00:27:08
don't think he'll be he'll be like a talking Godzilla either.
00:27:12
I just think that he, like there's part of him, part of it
00:27:15
still in him, but he's just not going to be able to effectively
00:27:19
communicate what's going on. Like he's, I mean, it's like
00:27:23
he's, he won't be able to talk. So it's like he's just be Bruce
00:27:26
grunting and growling all the time.
00:27:28
And yeah, I think. This version, I think this
00:27:31
version of him is probably at peace, Yeah.
00:27:36
Like he he did the thing that he was supposed to do.
00:27:39
He was able to correct his wrongs before anything more
00:27:45
destructive happened because I don't even think this version of
00:27:49
the Apex and the the followers were able to do much damage
00:27:54
because The Avengers kind of cut them off before they really got
00:27:58
into the city. And then they, you know, they
00:28:02
combined into the, I forgot what he called it, the, the Something
00:28:06
protocol. Mega mega Mega avenger Mega
00:28:10
Avenger protocol. So, so yeah, I, I think since he
00:28:17
was able to do that, he was able to avert disaster for a second
00:28:23
time, keeping people safe. And you know, none of the other
00:28:28
Avengers, none of the newer Avengers failed because if I
00:28:30
remember correctly, the other Avengers I think died in the
00:28:34
first Gamma War. So.
00:28:36
Right. Well, yeah, it I, I, that's kind
00:28:41
of, I don't know. It's they made, they kind of
00:28:43
suggested it, but it did mean they I, I right say they said
00:28:48
they got beaten, but they didn't say they got killed.
00:28:50
They said they were falling and generally that means yeah.
00:28:54
Yeah, OK. Yeah.
00:28:56
Because if they were just defeated and just sent the, you
00:28:59
know, go home with their tail between their legs, I think
00:29:03
those. They would have come back, yeah.
00:29:05
Yeah, they would have come back to help with this, this version
00:29:10
of it. So yeah, I think they were all
00:29:12
pretty much gone because if I'm not mistaken, in the beginning
00:29:14
you did see the main Avengers as far as Tony Stark, Cap, Thor,
00:29:21
Black Widow. I can't remember if I saw
00:29:24
Hawkeye, but yeah, yeah, Hawkeye.
00:29:26
Was in there too. OK, OK.
00:29:29
So, yeah, I think at this point, Bruce probably feels at peace
00:29:33
because he's like, OK, I averted a crisis.
00:29:36
And, you know, he was able to, I guess, see from Sam's point of
00:29:43
view that he's not necessarily a monster, that there's still a
00:29:47
decent person inside him, and the decent person did what they
00:29:51
needed to do. And so, I mean, he can't exactly
00:29:55
live with them on land in his current form.
00:29:59
So, you know what? Go away, live in peace.
00:30:04
Yeah, and once again, Tony Stark gets killed.
00:30:06
And what if like, damn it, this this can't leave my man alone
00:30:11
Like. I think that's Tony Stark, and
00:30:13
what if is going to be the Sean Bean of.
00:30:17
Basically. Of this series, like we'll see
00:30:20
him die in many iterations and this is only the first episode
00:30:24
this this season has what is it 8 episodes?
00:30:27
I think so. OK.
00:30:29
And this is the final. Season.
00:30:32
Yeah, yeah. So, but yeah, like I said, I
00:30:36
think my my favorite part of this episode was seeing all of
00:30:40
the characters come together. And I really hope we get to see
00:30:44
more of them because it's been what, three years since Shang
00:30:48
Shi came out? Three years since Moon Night
00:30:52
came out or two years maybe. And we don't really have any
00:30:57
news about seeing those characters again in, in the MCU.
00:31:04
So if I can just get them here in, in what if.
00:31:07
And I think I know that Shang Shi is going to be in one other
00:31:13
episode because I did see in the trailer, there is a cowboy
00:31:16
version of him, which I'm really interested in.
00:31:20
So we'll get to see them here. But now it's just kind of like
00:31:26
I, I want to, I want to see my characters back in live action.
00:31:30
I I especially want to see Moon Night because y'all left us on
00:31:34
such a cliffhanger with the reveal of Jake that OK, y'all
00:31:40
just going to leave us hanging like that?
00:31:42
Yeah, but yeah. You got to pay that off.
00:31:44
Yeah, but we know MCU is going through some some changes right
00:31:49
now. We don't even know what.
00:31:50
Like it's gotten to the point where I start seeing stuff about
00:31:55
what's supposed to come out and I don't even pay attention to
00:31:58
it. Like I might share it with you
00:31:59
guys or I might share it. But deep down inside, I've I've
00:32:02
kind of taken on the attitude of Anthony, like, OK, I'm just
00:32:06
going to wait and see because I don't want to get disappointed,
00:32:11
you know, with them saying, oh, we're going to do this, we're
00:32:14
going to do that. Like I think there was something
00:32:16
that was released last week saying, oh, Marvel Studios is
00:32:20
still going to use Jonathan Majors as king for I think they
00:32:25
said doomsday or something like, but how?
00:32:28
Oh, oh, OK, you know, because because the legal situation that
00:32:34
he found himself in the ex-girlfriend dropped the
00:32:37
charges. So now I guess oh, everything's
00:32:40
hunky Dory now. So I I I don't know, I just I
00:32:45
would like to see more moon night.
00:32:47
I would like to see more Shang Shi and who knows, we may see a
00:32:53
couple of these other characters show up in Captain Captain
00:32:58
America. Brave New World may not like
00:33:02
Santa Maria. I mean a Monica Rambo pop up
00:33:06
just hey, do something and leave.
00:33:09
But I'm I'm not. I'm not expecting it, but it
00:33:12
would be fun. Or in a Thunderbolt somewhere,
00:33:13
somewhere, somehow. I mean because Red Guard be
00:33:16
there. Yeah, yeah, 'cause he's.
00:33:19
And and Bucky, yeah. Yeah, so.
00:33:23
OK, Yeah. I just don't want don't want to
00:33:26
get bladed again where they keep putting it off and putting it
00:33:29
off and putting it off and put it off again and we're going to
00:33:33
up no putting it off again and. You know what?
00:33:35
OK, since you mentioned Blade, I saw something else somewhere
00:33:38
about they're still supposed to be doing something with Green
00:33:42
Knight, and I'm like, yeah, just stop.
00:33:44
Black Knight. Black Knight?
00:33:46
Yes. What did I say?
00:33:47
Green. Knight they need to that that
00:33:48
that that that that is the that is the biggest that that pissed
00:33:51
me off worse than not having having blade.
00:33:54
It's like you're going to tease the black Knight.
00:33:56
The black Knight is a badass and he he could care.
00:33:59
The black Knight could be a whole series of movies like he's
00:34:03
done that much and the mantle changes.
00:34:06
It's just like ghost Rider this like, you know it, the mantle
00:34:09
changes. So it's like they could do a
00:34:10
whole lot with that. I mean, he could be they could
00:34:13
do midnight Suns. They do midnight Suns.
00:34:16
They could do a whole lot of they could do medieval fucking
00:34:20
Avengers. They could do the 16 O2 that
00:34:21
they did last last season with him.
00:34:24
They could they could they could do it in medieval times and just
00:34:27
show his progression. But it's like, you know, it's
00:34:30
MCU. They don't know what the hell
00:34:31
they'll know. Sometimes they don't know what
00:34:33
they're doing a lot. So nowadays it's just like it's
00:34:37
frustrating. I'm just.
00:34:38
Like just give me something. It's to the point where they're
00:34:40
they're trying to do too much. And I mean, at the beginning, I
00:34:44
think we've had this discussion before, it was like, yes, give
00:34:47
us, give us, give us. But now it's like they're over
00:34:50
saturating it. And especially with the whole
00:34:54
timeline thing and multiverses and everything, I think it's
00:34:58
just they kind of, they do need to kind of pare down a little
00:35:03
bit. And I think Anthony was the one
00:35:05
who mentioned it. They need to focus what they're
00:35:08
going to, you know, what storyline and that they're going
00:35:12
to tell us and then go from there.
00:35:14
But yeah, I still, I do want to see Moon night.
00:35:17
I do want to see Shawn Chi so however y'all can figure out to
00:35:20
get those in. There, that'd be nice.
00:35:22
Let's do that. Let's do that.
00:35:24
So yeah, 'cause I mean you, you had really great properties with
00:35:30
those. Shawn Chi was a success in the
00:35:34
box office. Moon Night was one of the was
00:35:38
one of the better series that they've had on Disney Plus,
00:35:42
which, you know, I will be honest, I'm kind of the quote UN
00:35:48
quote Marvel apologist just like you.
00:35:50
But I don't think they've really had many bad things.
00:35:55
I mean, we know the the couple that we have all said that we
00:35:59
didn't really care for. I'm not even going to bring
00:36:01
those up again, but Moonlight was one of the better series.
00:36:05
Like I think Moonlight is still in my top five for me so.
00:36:11
Very close to me too, yeah. If you have those properties and
00:36:14
those characters and they did very well, why would you not
00:36:17
want to continue that instead of giving us, you know, and I I'm
00:36:23
just going to say Eternals because a lot of people didn't
00:36:26
like that that film and those characters.
00:36:28
I loved it, but you. I liked it.
00:36:33
Yeah, you gave it to us and then now you're not going to you're
00:36:36
not going to follow through with it.
00:36:37
So again, give us the characters that that did do well.
00:36:41
And the things you set up in the eternal students, like if you
00:36:44
first of all, I mean, just like they tried to do do what they do
00:36:48
with Guardians of the Galaxy Take take a comic that a lot of
00:36:51
people don't know about and put it on the big screen and hope
00:36:53
for the best. But it didn't do as well as they
00:36:55
thought. They tried to introduce Black
00:36:57
Knight and Blade at the end and and try to get a soup for it.
00:37:01
And now we're not going to see any of the three, none of the
00:37:03
above. And and they and they wasted get
00:37:06
putting Harry Styles as Thanos brother as a as a post credit
00:37:11
senior, just like there's a whole lot of stuff they teased
00:37:13
in that that we're not going to see now.
00:37:15
And it's like like I just like I agree.
00:37:18
I'm whole 100% with Anthony. They just need to streamline and
00:37:22
focus on one thing because it's like just give us something
00:37:27
consistent. Just give us something that
00:37:30
makes sense, that is good. I don't care if you only give me
00:37:33
ATV show and a movie or two a year.
00:37:36
I don't care if it's good. Good, right?
00:37:40
Make it good. Don't just.
00:37:42
And make it make sense. Together.
00:37:44
Right, and make it make sense. Right and don't don't try to
00:37:47
throw shit together. I mean, I understand like
00:37:50
previously previous stuff might have been affected by by the
00:37:54
panda bear, but it's like even if that happens, it's like slow
00:37:59
down as soon as you get something again.
00:38:02
Soon as soon as you get past that, go with it.
00:38:05
Don't just try to keep throwing stuff and keep a timeline when
00:38:08
the timelines been interrupted by a force of nature, just like
00:38:12
slow down and just pick it up where you left off.
00:38:15
Don't just keep throwing stuff in and fucking up the timeline
00:38:18
And people like people wondering, who the hell is this?
00:38:20
Why? Why are you showing me this now?
00:38:22
And it's all out of sequence because that's how you lose
00:38:25
people and people start being like, I really don't Care.
00:38:27
Now you. Know yeah so but first episode
00:38:33
and what they are doing is they are releasing an episode per day
00:38:39
for the next Oh yeah it is 8 episodes because it's 88 days
00:38:43
so. Right, right.
00:38:45
Right. OK.
00:38:46
So we will be recording those episodes, maybe not very quickly
00:38:53
because this is a few days before Christmas, which is one
00:38:56
of the reasons why Anthony and Michelle are not on this
00:38:59
particular show because they had stuff to do tonight.
00:39:02
So ours, our recording schedule and our release schedule for the
00:39:08
next few weeks will probably be a little sporadic because of the
00:39:11
holidays. So, you know, we will try to get
00:39:16
caught up with that. We do have some other things
00:39:20
that we are going to be talking about in January and the start
00:39:23
of 2025, but I think this third season of What If got off to a
00:39:30
very strong start. It was a very fun episode.
00:39:34
It was like I said, I was so excited because of the
00:39:37
characters and I'm looking forward to the rest of the
00:39:41
season. Yeah, I am too.
00:39:44
Definitely. I can't wait.
00:39:46
Yeah, So you have any last minute thoughts about this
00:39:49
episode? Yep.
00:39:52
What you got? OK, yeah, shout out to the two
00:39:55
on your left scenes is just almost like they did like they
00:39:58
did like in in in game where where Sam said on your left when
00:40:04
he passed running and then when. Banner was coming in on the
00:40:08
plane, he said on your left when he was coming in too, so he kind
00:40:10
of paralleled that. I thought that was pretty cool.
00:40:14
Also shout to Moon Night saying when they were putting the mech
00:40:18
together, there's like teamwork. Who knew?
00:40:21
The one person who actually knows all about teamwork and
00:40:24
getting 2 separate entities to do one thing and try to do like
00:40:28
OK cool. Like I caught that.
00:40:30
I see what you did there, Sir. Shout out to the and shout out
00:40:34
to the style that they did it in where they had a lot of tile
00:40:37
shots during the action and it made it seem like it was just
00:40:41
like comic book panels, like where they had like where he was
00:40:44
like we got to keep hitting him. We're not doing it.
00:40:46
And they kept showing like the shards, the different different
00:40:49
ways ways they were showing. It is just like I thought that's
00:40:52
how exactly how it would have looked in the comic book and
00:40:54
that was awesome. And oh, shout, shout to Casey
00:40:58
for getting me gave me this new my new pencils and my notebook
00:41:01
'cause I I had a had a blast using them to take notes today.
00:41:04
So Casey, you're awesome. Cool.
00:41:07
This was outstanding. I love the Avenger assemble when
00:41:10
he that that holds that whole sequence.
00:41:13
Like, even though I've seen it in their previews when you said
00:41:15
Avenger assemble and and everybody was like looking at
00:41:18
him, like, yeah, let's go. That whole thing was awesome.
00:41:22
And see, that threw me off because I was like, why are you
00:41:25
saying Avenger singular as opposed to Avengers?
00:41:29
But then when I saw the episode, I was like, oh, this makes sense
00:41:32
because you're. Yeah, the Mexican.
00:41:34
Yeah, that was beautiful. This was Gundam meets Godzilla
00:41:37
meets Seventies 80s anime and this everything I watched when I
00:41:41
was in elementary, middle and high school.
00:41:44
I loved it. It was perfect and I then I
00:41:48
can't wait to see what comes next.
00:41:50
I have a list. I need to go look at the list
00:41:51
and see what's next. But I I have no notes and I I
00:41:58
just really really enjoyed this thoroughly.
00:42:01
OK, so I guess that is it for this particular episode.
00:42:07
Like I said, they are releasing several more episodes.
00:42:11
Seven days. We will be covering those.
00:42:14
But for now, that is it for our show.
00:42:16
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00:42:36
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