#marvel #MCU #whatif Happy New Year! We are starting of 2024 with the season 2 premiere of Marvel's What If...? In a world where Ronan betrayed Thanos and looks to conquer the universe, Nova Corps officer Nebula works to investigate a murder that exposes a betrayal against the people of the planet Xandar.
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What's up, Hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Anthony and Mike for the first time in 2024.
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And we are discussing Season 2 episode one of Marvel's What If?
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What if Nebula had joined the Nova Corps?
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Also known as Marvel presents Blade Runner.
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You know, that's The funny thing because literally everybody that
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I've heard talk about this episode, that's what they say.
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And I haven't, like, I haven't seen the new Blade Runner and I
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haven't watched the old one since like the 80s.
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So I don't remember much of it. So I'm just like.
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Well, they they they literally said that every episode of what
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If is like an homage to some 80s movie it.
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Is, you know. And and this.
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Literally, this movie, even down to Nebula's car is is basically
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them retelling Blade Runner. Like, literally.
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Her car is almost an exact replica of Decker's car in Blade
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Runner. Even down to the butterfly door,
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it's the same damn car. And there.
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And there's shots that are straight out of the movie.
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Literally, like like, yeah. And and like the duster that she
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puts on when she puts on Yondu's thing is the is Deckard's duster
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is this. OK, I I will say that was one of
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the cooler parts of the episode to me because I was like, you
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know, I never really kind of made that connection.
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But once she put the stuff on, I was like, you know what?
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I could, I could, I would be down for that in live action.
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I really would. Yeah, it's like and she's blue.
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It's like, how do we not put that together?
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It's like a blue person puts on the red, puts on the red Mohawk
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and I'm like, oh damn, that fits.
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Why? Oh right, he was blue.
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Oh, never mind, OK. But you know, no, when she when
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she did that, it's like, I feel that's so bad for Kraglin
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because she instantly had control of that arrow and it was
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like whipping it around killing people without having to
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practice and throw it at people and and like maybe go like 5
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miles an hour. She is Cyborg, so it would
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probably be easier for her for. Her to mimic.
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Kids whistle. And I mean.
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That's how she found it anyway, yeah.
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Yeah, well, she didn't. She didn't mimic his whistle.
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She had, she had the memories of him and was able to pull it.
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But one of the things that I that I like about the What If
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series, and this is from last season to this season, I like
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that they they did basically what the later Avengers movies
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did when when they mixed the Guardians of the Galaxy.
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And with The Avengers it's like you put these characters that
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you never would think to pair together and you put them in a
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story and and tell this story And even though it doesn't it's
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not similar to what we know from the quote UN quote Canon the the
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real world stuff. It makes sense, even as this is
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supposed to be alternative. But I could actually see some of
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this stuff making sense. Like the whole thing about
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everybody being so comfortable with Nebula that they call her
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Nebby, that that was weird to me because I was like, you just
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don't think of Nebula like the Nebula we know as building those
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kind of relationships. At least not until after
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everything that happened with Thanos Would it fit.
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Yeah. Speak, Speaking of
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relationships, let's just go ahead and give this big
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relationship out of the way. Mike I.
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Was just about to. Say it is back.
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The man is back. I was.
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I was like, OK, there's no no chance they're not going to have
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him in this. Then soon as soon as I saw the
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credits roll and the opening credits roll and I saw Seth
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Green's name, I was like. When he showed up, I paused it
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and I said Mike is going to be inseparable.
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But you know. What?
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And he owns the casino. It fits perfectly.
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I have to say, I have to say as much as I tease Mike about his
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obsession with Howard the Duck, this episode sold it for me.
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I I have to say it's like and I don't know if it was just that
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the original, even after we did the rewatch a couple of years
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ago for Mike's birthday episode. I don't know if it was just the
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the live action throwing me off or if it was just that it was so
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dated. But every time we've seen Howard
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in the the MCU at this point or in the What If episodes like,
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OK, this makes a little more sense.
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This episode, I was all in. I was all in.
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From from his demeanor to the way he talked to his, his
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business attitude to the to the bandana and the the the.
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I was all in. Before that, where he had the
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purple suit with the zebra collar, I was like, this is
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fucking like all he needed was like a cigar in his mouth.
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I was like, this would have been, that would have been the
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perfect Howard. And I was just like, this is
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fucking awesome. Yeah, he he it was, it was
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really good placement for this particular character based on
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the I'm beyond some of the style.
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He actually fit in this and it was perfect fit for him.
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What I was not expecting was for Corey and group to be there with
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him and for that to make sense. It made so much sense.
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Yeah, it's. Actually.
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When they're sitting there playing fucking paper scissor
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rock. What'd you say, Mike?
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Yeah, that's why I said it was. That was fucking hilarious.
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It's like but but there's a strong there's a strong paper
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because it's made of rock. And I will say this too.
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Cork is quickly becoming one of my favorite, like all time
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characters in the MCU. Because he's so, he's so smart,
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but he's stupidly smart. Like, you don't like like Howard
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saying like, what kind of weirdo would know this?
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And he starts spouting off everything about this little map
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that Yondu has Fight. You know this stuff.
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How do you know this stuff? It's like you don't expect, OK,
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let's say you don't expect a pile of rocks to have the kind
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of knowledge that Cory does, but he does and he does.
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It is such a simple and like. Isn't isn't very.
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Sane. You're Dumber than a pile of
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rocks. Yeah.
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So, like, it turns on his head. Yes, it.
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Really does and it makes so much sense.
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Like all of this, just it makes so much sense and.
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I don't get, I didn't get. I have to watch again because I
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didn't get why how group and Corey ended up here.
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I don't think they ever told us it was just it was just there.
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They just worked. They they just worked at the
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casino. That scene where where Cork
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started spouting off about the schematics reminded me of the
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scene in Guardians Three when when Drax started speaking the
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language of the little kids. And they were like, how did, how
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did, why did you tell us that you knew how to speak?
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Like he was like, you didn't ask, right.
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And it's like, yeah, it kind of reminded me of that scene.
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But yeah, it's like, I agree with you, I think because at
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first, when I when he was first introducing Ragnarok, I just
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thought he was kind of a throwaway character.
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I was like, oh, OK, whatever. He's going to be like, you know,
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minor Comic Relief. I'm not going to see anything.
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But it's like everything I've seen him in, he's actually kind
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of stolen the scenes that he's been in.
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So it's actually he's he, I mean, he's he's going on me too.
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Right. Yeah.
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And you said about, you mentioned about how they were
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able to get all these voices back, you know, except for.
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Glenn Close wouldn't. It Glenn Close, right?
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Except for her. Think about it.
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It's sort of the easy paycheck. You can do it from your home if
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you don't need to go down to the studio and it's literally just a
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few lines. I mean, you can literally do it
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in the afternoon. So it's it's it's probably not
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that hard to get them to do it, to be able to fill in their
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schedule. I think maybe she only couldn't
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do it because she couldn't fill in her schedule.
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Yeah, but that's the thing. Like we, well, we were having
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this conversation before we started recording about how it
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it if you look at the the voice talent for all of the episodes
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for this season, they're just some people.
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Especially with the way that, you know people been going
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through quote UN quote, Marvel blow, burnout.
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You know some people are now, you know you have people who
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were in the films and they're like, oh, I really didn't want
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to be in there. And you know just all the
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different negative stuff. So the fact that they got so
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many of the original actors to come back and voice their
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animated counterparts, that was impressive to me.
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Like, especially in certain later episodes, I was like,
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wait, they got, they got, they got who back What?
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You know, it was it was just very interesting to me.
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And then to put Yarrog in this episode because again, like I
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told Y'all when we discussed Miss the Marvels, I couldn't
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remember much of Captain Marvel until I rewatched it.
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And then it's like when I saw Jude Law's name in the opening
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credits, I said, wait, are they bringing Yarrog?
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How? Like, how does this even work?
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And then again with the way that they tell these what if stories,
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the situations are so different from what we're expecting from
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what we've seen, but yet they make sense.
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I could even the pairing up of Nebula and Yon Rog and the back
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and forth, the back and forth banter in this episode between
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the characters was like spot on a plus because I was like, yeah.
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Even. Even.
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The. The Peter Serfinowitz who played
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the the douchebag, douchebag, Nova Corps guy who said who
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called called Yondu trash. Like, that's the same guy that
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was. In his mouth, I was like, Oh my
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God, this, but, but I mean, it just, it works.
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I mean the whole premise behind this episode.
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So we start off the episode Yondu is dead, someone has
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killed him, and Nebula again has joined the Nova Corps.
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You know, the way that they're telling this episode is that in
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this particular universe, when Thanos was trying to Thanos
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everything, Ronan betrayed him, killed Thanos, killed Gomorrah.
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And so Nebula was kind of left out the space to, I don't know,
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you can't say die with the Cyborg, but she's not.
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Well, I guess it's she's more she's Cyborg, like more
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mechanical than than humans. So they just kind of left her
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out there. And Nova Prime found her,
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rescued her, gave her a second chance at life.
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And as a result, Nebula joins the Nova Corps.
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She swears their oath and she becomes one of them.
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So she's the one that is first on the scene of Yondu's murder.
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And of course the asshole guy from Nova Court, as that Mike
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just mentioned, he comes in, he's talking like mad trash to
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to Nebula, calling her names and just it's like, don't be like
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she could probably squeeze the life out of you with her index
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and her index finger and her thumb.
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Like, really? But again, this is not the same
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Nebula. OK, so Nebula, she leaves.
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They cleaned up the crime scene. And as she says, you know,
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they're so busy focusing on trying to find the murderer's
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weapon that they didn't look for the most important part, the
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victim's weapon. So that's how she gets Yondu's
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arrow. That's how she finds these
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schematics that he has that he apparently died to protect.
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Because the arrow wasn't hiding. It wasn't with Yondu's body.
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So the whole course of this episode is Nebula trying to
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figure out what these schematics are and what secret Yondu died
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to protect. And when Nova Prime contacts
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Nebula and she's like, OK, so This is why I I I hired you.
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This is why I took a chance on you.
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Because I knew you you would see things that we can't see.
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I need you to solve this, and I need you to do it by whatever
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means necessary. So Nebula sets out on her, her
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task. She goes to Howard and that's
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when Cord says, oh, you know, this, this little map has all
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kinds of things in it, like has random things in it.
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And then it has the, the schematics for the shield that
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Nova Core placed around the planet.
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Oh, they're on what? What's the name of the planet?
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Zandar. Zandar.
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Which, which in our timeline was destroyed by Thanos when he got
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the. But because things changed,
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Ronan is now trying to get to the planet, and she placed the
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shield around the planet. So apparently with these
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schematics, it appears that someone's trying to turn, you
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know, they're they're trying to take the shield down.
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So she's like, OK, I need to find someone who can hack into
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Zandar's security so that we can figure out the schematics and,
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you know, blah blah blah blah blah.
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And this is where Yon Rod comes into the picture.
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Side note, it's been five years since they closed the planet
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off. So that means you can't.
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Like this is this is a planet where interplanetary travel is
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the norm. You know y'all can't go nowhere.
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Y'all can't leave. And everyone who is visiting is
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trapped. You on you on punishment for for
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no other reason than you got some maniac on the outside
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trying to get to your planet like.
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And it can't be over there for 50 years.
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It's. Basically cold.
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It was a lot. Of.
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Years. Yeah.
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Oh, please don't. We're not going to, we're not
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going to say that out loud. We're not going to say that out
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loud. Because I I couldn't.
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No, but. Yeah.
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I mean, at least I get to walk around and and still exist.
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But still, it's like, if you're used, like think about it.
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If you got family on another planet, that mean you can't go.
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You can't go see your family. You're you're done.
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And I'm sure she did that without anybody else's, like,
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say, so she I'm sure that there was no vote.
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She she did what she was trying to do to protect the planet.
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Understood. OK, so Nebula breaks Yawn Rog
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out of prison, a prison that she ended up putting him in because
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he was a hacker, which is so weird.
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But she takes him to the mainframe so that she can try
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to, you know, figure out who is behind all this.
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And of course, Yon Rog betrays her, takes the schematic, leaves
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her to die. And then this is where we get
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all the the interesting stuff with Howard and Cord and Group
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because when Nebula comes to, she goes back to Howard's Casino
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to ask for weapons and another arm because her arm is gone and
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all this other stuff. And then this is where we see
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like them basically become Rambo and company and it was just I
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was like it. Was it was the Guardians of the
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Galaxy. Basically, it was the Galaxy.
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It's like, it's like a budget version of the Guardians of the
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Galaxy. It's like, you know.
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It was so funny because when she crashed, she crashed into one of
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the casino games. I was like, wait a minute, this
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is wrong. Those games are not supposed.
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To be this. Like I said.
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Perfect fucking casting. It it really, really, I went
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when I saw this episode. And I mean, yes, I'm looking at
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him right now with the purple suit, with the zebra column
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holding his alcohol in the looking at, I was just like, OK,
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I can see why Mike is obsessed. Because if if if this was the
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version of Howard I've been getting all this time, I
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probably would have been equally obsessed because he was cool as
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hell in this one. But I I don't know.
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I I just, I don't. Maybe now with the technology
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and with everything that we have now, I could deal with the
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Howard the Duck live action. But right now, no, just leave
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him, leave him in the what if universe, He is perfect.
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And also if you think about it, if they put him in the regular
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movies, he probably won't be this cool because these are
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alternate versions of these characters.
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They don't act away the characters that we know at for
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the most part. So how it might not be that
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cool. So maybe you know, just.
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No, no, absolutely not. No, we no, you're not going to
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do that to my boy. I refuse to allow it to happen.
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No, he will be just as cool because in in the snippets that
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we've seen him in Guardians Two and Guardians Three, he was he
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he looked, he was really fucking cool.
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Especially like the part where he was sitting in Guardians 3
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where he was playing cards with Craig Lynn and all them is like
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that was like a miniature version of this sort of how.
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That's right. He was OK.
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Yeah, you're right. You're right.
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I forgot about that part. I forgot.
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About that part. Oh, yes, he yes he can.
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Yes, he can. OK, I'll give you that.
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I'll don't give you that. Don't.
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That's what Howard. I'll give you that.
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Thank you. I'll give you that.
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So, but anyway, so like I said, Y'all rock.
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He betrays her and then she finds out.
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Not only is it Yarra who betrays her, which of course, I mean,
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this is a guy you just broke out of prison.
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You really expected him not to betray you.
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But the kicker is Nova Prime is the one who is trying to give
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Ronan or or not. She's not trying to give Ronan
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anything. She's the one that's trying to
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bring down the shield so that Ronan can invade the planet
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because she feels like what is is too much for them to have to
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hide. And it's not going well.
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And you know the the planet is in chaos now, so might as well
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let him take over, especially since he's going to allow me to
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stay in charge. Why?
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Why? She would believe him.
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Why? Why, she would even believe him,
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right? That's what I was.
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About his whole point is to commit genocide, I think.
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I. Think I.
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Think she? You would think she would be
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smart enough to know that him telling her that, Oh yeah, you
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can be in charge is just to get her to comply and do what he
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wants to do. No, because because see my
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theory, my theory is that she had a boyfriend that was in
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another Galaxy that she got cut off from and she couldn't find
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anyone else in that Dome that that could actually that
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actually satisfied her. So she.
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Was like we we have to be we we had to say significant other
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because it could be a good. I'm sorry.
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So you're you're exactly right. Significant other could have
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been a could have been a woman or a man or another creature,
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because this is the entire universe.
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But whatever she she missing her significant other and they're
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they're probably on Earth. And they were like, why haven't
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I heard from her? She must not like me.
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And she's just like, I miss you. I miss my person, my other.
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And she's like, fuck this shit. Hey, yo, can I get out of here?
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So she's going to let the whole planet just be razed to the
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ground because she needs to get Dick down.
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I I just don't know if I buy it. Hey.
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The heart. I think it just what?
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The heart wants. I think, I think, I think, I
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think she's in the same position as everyone else on the planet.
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They're all have. They all have cabin fever, so
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she's making bad decisions because they're all stuck like,
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but this is a horrible space faring race and there's been
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stuck for five years. Right.
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Yeah, but this is a horrible this isn't just a bad decision,
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this is a horrible decision. Like letting him in some who
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wanted to conquer the planet. Because, I mean, just so you
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can, she's already she's she's like, well, I can still be in
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charge. You're in charge now.
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And you're making stupid decisions.
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I'm like, this is. I was like, why are you doing
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this? Like you just can't take it
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that, like, are you were you trying to get a Whataburger down
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here? I mean, damn, what the fuck's
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wrong with you? Just let shit go.
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Like, let's talk about the fact that once she revealed once, she
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basically showed her face to Nebula as the traitor and she's
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talking to yon Rod and she was like, OK, kill her and then when
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you're done with her, what? What did it say?
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Melt her. Down, melt her down and you walk
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off. Like, I don't know if they have
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TV on the on on on on Zandar, but like you don't ever tell the
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person who's down and out like you.
00:21:32
You say what their fate is going to be to them and expect them
00:21:35
not to do anything. Especially Nebula.
00:21:39
Like before she became a Nova Corps member.
00:21:42
She's. The daughter of the painters.
00:21:46
OK, hold on. So you don't think?
00:21:48
At some point when she's when her life is being threatened,
00:21:53
that she's not going to reach into those recesses and be like,
00:21:56
oh you know, I. Forgot.
00:22:00
Bitch show y'all OK. So hold on.
00:22:06
And you expect somebody else to make sure that happens and then
00:22:13
he? So, so look, this is her
00:22:18
reasoning, she said. The world's falling apart.
00:22:21
People wear each other's throats.
00:22:22
We can't go on like this. And sometimes there's just no
00:22:26
shame and surrender. But y'all gonna die.
00:22:31
She quit. She was like fuck this shit.
00:22:33
I'm tired. It's like I'm, I'm, I'm tired
00:22:35
and tired of walking around the streets and seeing people
00:22:37
fighting all the time. You're you're you're Nova Prime.
00:22:40
You're in charge of the fucking police corps basically like
00:22:44
handle shit. Don't just quit and be like
00:22:46
fucking. I'm just gonna.
00:22:47
I mean this is just like this is just like I don't.
00:22:50
I don't, OK. It's it's just it's ridiculous
00:22:53
to me because it's like all you're doing is quitting.
00:22:57
And then you expect people to to let you do the same job after
00:23:02
the invasion? Well, I mean, they're not going
00:23:05
to have a choice. It's like he's he's probably
00:23:07
just going to he's going to let her run Nova Corps but he's but,
00:23:10
but, but Ronan is still going to be over the planet.
00:23:14
It's like Ronan. Is.
00:23:15
Not going to stay on that. Planet Ronan is going to do what
00:23:19
he has to do, and then he's going to take his ass somewhere
00:23:21
else to find another planet. To He's going to raise that
00:23:24
plant to the ground and kill every Zenderian he can get his
00:23:28
hand on and go about his business, because that's the
00:23:31
only reason why he's there. He's not there to conquer the
00:23:34
planet. He's not.
00:23:36
He's not trying to conquer it. He's not trying to create the
00:23:39
Empire. He wants to murder them all
00:23:41
because this planet destroys his family.
00:23:44
Like he doesn't like them. Yeah.
00:23:48
Put. Yeah, he put it in charge of a
00:23:50
power of rubble. So he'll be in charge of that.
00:23:53
Exactly. And.
00:23:55
This is assuming he lets her live, and we already know he's
00:23:58
not going to do that, no. No, she she was going to be
00:24:00
dead. Susie came through.
00:24:01
He was like, oh, thanks and black.
00:24:03
He's the ultimate representation of Zendayan authority.
00:24:08
She'd be the first one to go. By by Nova Prime.
00:24:12
But anyway, like I said, so you expect you want to be in charge
00:24:16
of everything, but you can't even make sure that your number
00:24:20
one nemesis at this point is dead.
00:24:23
Like, what is it we always say, Michelle and Casey and I when
00:24:27
we're talking about The Walking Dead.
00:24:28
If you don't see a body, they're not dead.
00:24:31
They're not dead. You walked away with her still
00:24:34
alive, and left it to your little peons to take care of.
00:24:39
And when she falls over the dam, what do they say?
00:24:44
Oh, nobody could survive that. Which would say you, Boston.
00:24:48
Nebula in. All in it.
00:24:51
Yeah, like, no. Call her being This is a Cyborg.
00:24:54
She's gonna die like regular people.
00:24:57
I was like, you know what? She ain't going to drown.
00:25:00
It's like, what do you what do you think she's going to do,
00:25:02
drown? No, she ain't going to drown.
00:25:03
She'll be just going to crawl the fuck back out of there.
00:25:05
No. If you know her story though we
00:25:09
know the only reason why she used a Cyborg because she kept
00:25:12
losing the Gamora. Like how many times do you think
00:25:15
she was near death? Right.
00:25:17
Fixing up with Gamora so. I just, I was like, OK, whatever
00:25:22
happens to y'all, y'all deserve it.
00:25:25
Because you didn't double tap, you didn't make sure she to make
00:25:28
sure and then she comes back. They have their little fights
00:25:33
and stuff and and it's like at the end they she and Nova Prime
00:25:39
are fighting each other and they fall out of a window, they fall
00:25:43
down. Nova Prime is hanging on by a
00:25:46
ledge and and I mean not Gamor Neverland trying to help her up
00:25:52
and she was like why would you want to help me?
00:25:54
Why couldn't you just be on my side?
00:25:56
And then you're gonna try to shoot her and you fall to your
00:25:59
death like, did you not read the road?
00:26:03
It's so weird. It's like they actually combined
00:26:05
Blade Runner with like the end of Die Hard and I was like.
00:26:08
Yes, that's what I thought about at the end, 'cause I was like,
00:26:11
oh, she's Hans Gruber falling off the Plaza.
00:26:15
Which? Which slight sport?
00:26:16
Ladies and gentlemen will come up later on, but go on.
00:26:19
The the most common death for Disney villains.
00:26:23
Yeah. That.
00:26:25
Is true. That is true.
00:26:27
That is true. And The funny thing is, so you
00:26:30
said that and you know the first Disney villain that came to
00:26:34
mind, it wasn't any of the the, the Queens or whatever.
00:26:38
It was Scar. Well, Scar didn't fall.
00:26:41
He got. He got his ass eaten up.
00:26:43
But. Well, no.
00:26:44
He fell first, fell first, he fell 1st, and then he got eaten
00:26:48
up. So he didn't.
00:26:50
He didn't fall as far as Nova Prime, but I'm I'm quite sure
00:26:53
Nova Nova Prime is dead because she's not a Cyborg, she's just a
00:26:56
regular. Well.
00:26:59
I I always think of Gaston because he failed to his death
00:27:05
and so did the winning Tarzan. What was his name?
00:27:10
Oh yeah. Yeah, he failed to.
00:27:12
Yeah. Oh, me too.
00:27:13
You're right. A lot of them fall.
00:27:15
A lot of the Disney villains, they do fall, but it's just
00:27:18
weird how small was the first one I thought about.
00:27:22
I've never watched all of Beauty and the Beast.
00:27:26
You know where we're going to end, No?
00:27:31
That was like, wait guest on Phil.
00:27:32
I was like, oh shit, I don't think I ever finished.
00:27:34
Watching Oh my God, Mike, you the fact that you just said that
00:27:39
out loud? Look, you, you realize, you
00:27:42
know, I have no shame. So it's like, I feel free to
00:27:46
admit my shortcomings, so I'll fix that layup.
00:27:48
I might actually go watch, go watch it when we finish doing
00:27:51
this. But shit, OK.
00:27:54
But yeah, I mean it. It is, it is kind of a kind of a
00:27:56
trope. You know the slow motion fall
00:27:58
after the shooting like. Oh, Speaking of slow motion,
00:28:04
that part where they were walking out slow motion and Korg
00:28:08
was like, thank you guys for indulging me.
00:28:13
Fucking love Cord. I love him because he would do
00:28:16
the stupidest stuff and it was it's just it just makes sense.
00:28:21
It just feels right. I love.
00:28:22
It feels very. Right.
00:28:25
I loved it after, After Nebula, Nebula arrowed everybody and
00:28:29
Howard called her a show off. She was like, it's called style.
00:28:32
Look it up. Like I said, the banter in this
00:28:36
whole episode between everyone. I love it.
00:28:39
I. Love it.
00:28:39
Oh, you left out the best part. The best part is Nibbly didn't
00:28:44
trust that motherfucker from the jump.
00:28:45
Right, right. Because what was it?
00:28:48
She said. She said as soon as you told me
00:28:51
by any means necessary, I knew that you had broken our oath.
00:28:56
Because that was because OK, before she revealed that when
00:29:00
all of this was going on when they're like she and Yon Rog and
00:29:05
they're they're climbing down into the into the mainframe.
00:29:08
And then I was sitting here looking at her like why are you
00:29:13
why are you moving in front of him?
00:29:15
Like why are you walking in front of him why are you doing
00:29:18
all of this stuff expecting and and I know it was probably
00:29:22
because she had just broken him out of prison.
00:29:24
It's not like he had weapons or anything but this is yon Rog
00:29:27
we're talking about. So it's I was sitting there
00:29:30
looking at her like I hope they're not making Nebula stupid
00:29:34
in this episode and then of course we get the reveal later
00:29:37
that she wasn't she was just she was doing her own thing.
00:29:40
I was like, oh OK because that happens later on in one of the
00:29:46
up other episodes where a character acts a specific way
00:29:49
and then in the next episode we see them.
00:29:52
I thought that they were going to make them a villain and I was
00:29:54
like that though oh OK this is what you're doing.
00:29:58
So I they put me for the okie doke.
00:30:00
I fell for it. I think, I think that I think
00:30:02
that she was counting on on her if if he was going to try to do
00:30:07
something like hit her from behind, that she was counting on
00:30:10
her reflexes to catch him or do anything like that.
00:30:13
Like she wasn't worried, worried about him doing like catching
00:30:16
her off guard because she was like he's he's not as fast as I
00:30:20
am because it which was proven when she when the arrow came
00:30:23
towards her and she just reached up and caught it right before
00:30:25
it, right before it hit her in the forehead.
00:30:27
Well, she she knew. She knew that they needed her
00:30:30
alive all the way up until the core so she could walk in front
00:30:35
of him because he wasn't going to do anything to her until she
00:30:38
got the information. Yeah, but like I said.
00:30:40
When I first watched it, that was before I knew that she knew,
00:30:44
yeah, what the deal was. So I'm just like.
00:30:47
Yeah, I could. Because I'm like you.
00:30:49
I was like, why is she trusting this dude this much?
00:30:52
Like she really, she really like.
00:30:54
Well, she said she wasn't trusting him, but her actions
00:30:58
were showing that she was. Yeah, she was maybe not
00:31:01
completely trusting, but she wasn't very suspicious or she
00:31:05
didn't act. She was acting.
00:31:08
She played her part, definitely. She knew it, obviously.
00:31:11
She knew what she was doing because even if she had died and
00:31:16
when they use the thing, it still would have destroyed the
00:31:19
ship whether she was there or not.
00:31:22
The only benefits she got from surviving was getting revenge.
00:31:25
Right, so I'm. Reach out to Ronan having a slow
00:31:30
ass ship to get closed into a force field, closing at like 5
00:31:34
miles an hour. So did Ronan survive that?
00:31:37
Like, did he jump? No.
00:31:38
He didn't see nobody. OK.
00:31:40
I'll no, nobody. But it's like we saw him, he was
00:31:42
like, he was like, he was just looking straight.
00:31:44
He was like and then and then it exploded around him.
00:31:48
So he might not be, he might not be dead, but he's going to be.
00:31:51
He's going to take him a minute before he comes back, OK?
00:31:56
Yeah, so he might. He has, at least.
00:31:57
He's a little bit of fire damage, so a.
00:32:00
Little bit of fire damage. It's just a flesh.
00:32:01
Just. A flesh.
00:32:01
It's just a flesh burn. It's just a flesh burn.
00:32:07
Right. I think this was a very strong
00:32:10
start to the second season because, I mean, even with the
00:32:13
last season, I don't think we had any complaints about any of
00:32:18
the episodes. Like they're very well done.
00:32:20
Like I said, even though you have these characters who in the
00:32:26
regular quote UN quote the regular MCU probably would never
00:32:30
mesh together, they work very well in this.
00:32:33
So if this is what y'all are doing for the first episode, the
00:32:37
the next eight episodes should be really good.
00:32:40
Yeah, right. The the cool thing for me is, is
00:32:43
all, even from the first season, is their ability to locate a
00:32:47
specific point in order to tell their story.
00:32:51
Like it it says what if she joined Novacorp, but it's
00:32:55
actually what if Ronan turned on Thanos?
00:32:58
Yeah, that's where everything changed.
00:33:01
Yeah, I think it's cool that they're able to do that and and
00:33:04
and make it convincing. Yeah, 'cause, like I said, I I
00:33:08
watched these episodes and I'm like, oh, that totally makes
00:33:11
sense. Oh, I I like it.
00:33:13
It makes sense. It's not something that they're
00:33:16
just, they're not jumping the shark.
00:33:18
They're not pulling stuff out of here and saying, OK, we're going
00:33:21
to throw it in here. This is 1 little decision.
00:33:25
Yeah, one little change. Right.
00:33:27
One little butterfly effect. This is why, why I love the
00:33:31
comics like the actual comics. Like those are my, like favorite
00:33:34
comics. Because it's like, you know how
00:33:36
one story goes, but then it actually retells the story.
00:33:40
And when, as you're reading it, it's like you cannot put it
00:33:42
down. It's like you literally are.
00:33:44
This is, it's the literal definition of a page Turner.
00:33:46
Because it's like, it goes right up to the point, to one point,
00:33:50
then it switches and you're like, oh shit, what the fuck
00:33:51
happened? Oh damn.
00:33:52
What the how the fuck is going? Oh damn.
00:33:55
Oh wow. Then it's like, I mean it's in,
00:33:57
I mean those that whole whole what If series is fucking
00:34:01
incredible. So I can't wait to see the rest
00:34:05
of them. And then we're getting new
00:34:07
characters in this season, you know?
00:34:10
I cannot wait to see Kahori because I mean see, this is the
00:34:14
thing that I really appreciate about the MCU that is kind of
00:34:19
present in the DC EU, but you really, but it's not really at
00:34:24
the forefront of it, is that the MCU does a really good job about
00:34:28
representation, About like showing other races, other
00:34:33
genders and showing and giving other cultures and giving them
00:34:38
shine not just as a token but actually as something that is
00:34:44
that is feasible, that has meat to it.
00:34:46
And that is really that that really shows the that shows them
00:34:51
as something more than just a caricature like Miss Marvel.
00:34:56
Miss Marvel showed showed Muslims and the Pakistani people
00:35:00
as as having depth to them and showing what what actually goes
00:35:05
on. It's like with Wakana Forever
00:35:07
and Black Panthers. It's like they showed Africa as
00:35:09
a diaspora and showed how, like, you know that they showed like
00:35:15
there's more to people than what you, than what you think you
00:35:19
know. And it actually helped actually
00:35:21
helps people to look further into other things, other things
00:35:26
about other cultures. And I think that's one thing
00:35:28
that the MCU does very well. It gets a lot of Flack for it.
00:35:31
But you know what? Fuck the haters.
00:35:34
This is, this is what actually this is one of the things that I
00:35:37
really like about the MCU. Yeah, and I'm excited about that
00:35:40
episode too, because, you know, I was having a conversation with
00:35:44
the person I live with, whom I'm related to by marriage.
00:35:48
I've missed that. I'm so glad you said that.
00:35:51
I heard that in so long. OK, I'm sorry.
00:35:52
Go ahead. And and I was saying, you know,
00:35:54
why did they create this new Native American characters?
00:35:56
They're Native American characters in, you know, in
00:36:00
Marvel already. Danny Moon Star and I just
00:36:04
started naming. She's like, yeah, but like, they
00:36:06
went and did research and, you know, they went and talked to
00:36:11
experts and historians to create this character.
00:36:14
I was like, Oh yeah. I mean, shoot, I mean really EE
00:36:18
is Native American. But it's like the whole thing is
00:36:21
it's like the way they're doing it that they they said they're
00:36:25
doing. It is like they're doing the
00:36:26
whole thing in in the Cherokee is a Cherokee or Chocolate
00:36:30
Mohawk, Mohawk. They're doing their whole thing
00:36:33
in the in Mohawk, in the Mohawk language.
00:36:35
Like they're not translating it into English.
00:36:38
Is subtitled in Mohawk and that is mind blowing.
00:36:42
I can't. It's like I really want to see
00:36:44
how that turns out. Like that is just really
00:36:47
interesting to me. I'm excited.
00:36:48
And then even just even just the the titles of the episodes for
00:36:54
this season, like when they released the the titles earlier,
00:36:59
I was like wait, so how are they going to do this?
00:37:02
So it's like you have What if Nebula Joined the Nova Corps?
00:37:06
Episode 2 is What If Peter Quill Attacked Earth's Mightiest
00:37:10
Heroes? Episode 3 is What If Happy Hogan
00:37:15
Saved Christmas. So.
00:37:17
So even with that, you're taking characters that are basically
00:37:21
second secondary characters and you're bringing them to the
00:37:23
forefront. I love it.
00:37:25
Episode 4, What if Iron Man crashed into the Grandmaster?
00:37:28
That should be fun, because they actually did bring Jeff Goldblum
00:37:33
back to the voice the Grandmaster.
00:37:34
And that and that that episode is the one that actually was
00:37:38
supposed to come out last season that explained how the Mora
00:37:42
defeated 10. Oh yes, it.
00:37:44
Got it. Got the the Stone Crusher.
00:37:47
Right. So you have episode.
00:37:48
And that's also the mad That's also the Mad Max episode, too.
00:37:52
Yeah. Yes, you have Episode 5.
00:37:55
What if Captain Carver? What if Captain Carter Fought
00:37:58
the Hydra Stomper? Episode 6 is What If Kahori
00:38:01
Reshaped the World. Episode 7 is What If Hella Found
00:38:05
the Ten Rings? Which?
00:38:06
I'm excited for that one. That's gonna be.
00:38:08
Interesting, yeah. Episode 8 is what if The
00:38:11
Avengers Assembled in 16 O2. OK I I will say this.
00:38:16
I have seen that episode and I think Jon Favreau had probably
00:38:19
more fun than anybody in this whole series because of the some
00:38:25
of the shit he got to say in this episode.
00:38:27
And then the season finale is what if Strange Supreme
00:38:32
intervened. So all of these titles is like.
00:38:35
When I saw them I was like OK, they are bringing the noise this
00:38:40
season you know. So I'm I'm, I'm really excited
00:38:44
and I have seen the episodes. I know that.
00:38:47
You know I know what to expect. I'm not going to say much
00:38:49
because Anthony has not seen them all yet.
00:38:51
So yeah it's it's a it's a really it's a really great
00:38:56
season. They they did they started
00:38:59
strong. They finished strong.
00:39:01
So I will say that. Yeah, yeah.
00:39:04
Yep. Yeah this is this is a great.
00:39:06
I loved all the throwbacks. I loved the one thing I really
00:39:11
liked was that was the tone of this episode.
00:39:14
Like it was it was so heavy and it was so it was it was it was
00:39:21
just it was like film noir. It was it was kind of like I
00:39:24
kind of I can't expected. I have expected Nebula to sound
00:39:28
like wasn't that's make it sound like The Maltese Falcon, like
00:39:32
Philip Marlowe. They're like, yeah it was dark.
00:39:34
Dark and stormy night. The Dame walked in and told me
00:39:37
she was going to give me a chance.
00:39:38
So I was like I kind of have expected.
00:39:40
Her nebulous voice, and it just, it was, it was throwing me off
00:39:43
because I'm so used to that being like Killer Nebula.
00:39:47
And so to hear that voice on Good guy Nebula was just, it was
00:39:51
very weird. And then again, like I said, the
00:39:53
banter throughout, because you have Howard and his gruff voice
00:39:57
and Nebula and her voice, and they're going back and forth.
00:40:00
And again, I'm just like, it makes sense.
00:40:02
This just to pay you back off what bike said.
00:40:05
The tone and a lot of a lot of people try to do you remember
00:40:10
the dark? What was that dark city, The
00:40:14
whole Blade Runner motif and and that the feel of it.
00:40:20
And there are a lot of shows and movies that have tried to
00:40:24
replicate that and not do it as well as these animators did in
00:40:29
this 30 minute right TV show. And and I think it was, I
00:40:35
thought it was amazing, OK. Yeah, all right.
00:40:40
Shout, oh oh shout, shout out to Drax losing his mind about
00:40:43
losing, losing everything in a slot machine.
00:40:46
Yeah, I caught that. I was like.
00:40:47
Wait, is it Drax? It was.
00:40:51
Like, again, because I would not think about Drax being a
00:40:54
gambler. You know, the drafts that we
00:40:57
know. That just would never cross my
00:40:59
mind. And see, I thought, I thought, I
00:41:01
thought they were going to do more, have more cameos like that
00:41:05
because it kind of reminded me of the Thor, The Thor episode of
00:41:09
what If last year where everybody was in the was in
00:41:13
Vegas gambling and stuff like that.
00:41:15
And it's like I thought, I thought I was going to see maybe
00:41:17
a couple more, but I didn't see them.
00:41:19
Also I don't know if it's me but I noticed that the railing when
00:41:24
she went up to see Howard, it kind of look like the railing in
00:41:27
the first to black first Black Panther when they went into like
00:41:30
the casino there it's like I was looking at I was like and I and
00:41:36
I was I was watching I was watching a summation show and
00:41:38
they and they put them side by side.
00:41:40
I was like that actually does that actually does look like it.
00:41:44
So it's just you know it's it just shows that Marvel, Marvel
00:41:47
is kind of derivative of like they take, they take good things
00:41:50
that kind of they take things that put them in other shows to
00:41:52
kind of they kind of make you make get, get you give me things
00:41:57
you're familiar with so that you can you can kind of be curious
00:42:00
about other things. The movie was Dark City.
00:42:04
It was Rufus Sewell, Ava Sutherland, Jennifer Connelly,
00:42:08
William Hurt. Fantastic movie.
00:42:11
If we do choices, that's going to be one of my choices for us
00:42:14
to watch. It's a good movie, OK?
00:42:17
All right. Well.
00:42:19
I yeah, this is yeah, this is a great episode.
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I cannot wait for the next one. I really, and I'm I'm getting
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ready to start campaigning for for Howard the Duck movie.
00:42:30
I don't care. I'm getting it.
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He's going, he's going to, he's going to run casinos and he's
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going to be the hero and it's going to be two hours and 45
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minutes. I am campaigning.
00:42:38
I'm actually going to start writing this now as soon as we
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get off here. So go ahead and close this out.
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