#it #welcometoderry #stephenking In 1908, carnival performer Bob Gray's life is changed when he comes across a mysterious young boy seeking help. In 1935, a tense standoff in the search for Hank Grogan leads to a violent confrontation. The military makes a move that puts the entire town in jeopardy.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Harbor podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Anthony, Michelle and Dina and we are discussing the
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penultimate season 1 episode for Welcome to Dairy.
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And I'm going to start this out with just a two word sentence to
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the writers. Fuck you.
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Fuck you very much. That's all I'm going to say.
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That's all I'm going to say until later.
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All right, so so I got I got three things.
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Number one clowns is creepy. No matter what, listen, even
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when they just, you know, having fun with flowers, it's just not
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right. Number two, people suck.
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They do. Yeah, and and three, love can be
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pure sometimes I. Was about to say 'cause I don't
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have a four yes. That's it.
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Those are not 33 takeaways from this episode. 4 Make sure you
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you you can back up your talking shit.
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Yeah, yeah, I. Do you know you you always have
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those people and kind of like, oh, I can do this, this, this,
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and then someone say, OK, and he did that.
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Show me. Yeah, show me also.
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Right here. Look.
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I'll do #5 I'll do #5 fuck the military because what the fuck
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was that y'all stealing my. Shit, stop.
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You started it. You did.
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That's how we do this episode. OK, number six.
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Like, these are the important talking points for the next hour
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and a half, OK, You know? When something said it wasn't
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your daddy, believe it. Right.
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And also, why would you want that to be any it?
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I don't care if my daddy was sitting on his lap, why would
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you want that to be your daddy? I told you already, she ain't
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right. She ain't.
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Right, and then there's this crazy.
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Bitch, she ain't never been. She is.
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She's never been right. I'm just going to say that she
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ain't. Never been right.
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Listen, I will, I will say, 'cause when y'all said how old
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she was, I couldn't remember. And I think the reason why I
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couldn't remember how old she was is 'cause she looks like
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she's young. And you know how people don't
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they, they look, their bodies are older, but they or their age
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is older, but their bodies look young because they.
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Especially back in those times. Yeah.
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And so that's why I thought she was younger than she is, because
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she just looked, you could tell she just looks like.
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Yeah, you're. The same girl.
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I feel like she might have been, she might have been 11.
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I I would give her like right around 11, yeah.
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And then that would that would put her at like that would put
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her at 66 now. Yeah.
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So that that seems about right. Let's see, I'm still saying it's
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like 5th grade, so that's 910, but that's what the difference
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9311 she in that span. Yeah, yeah.
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But. But you know her.
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But be we know that emotional development can be stunted by
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trauma. Yeah.
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So she's emotionally stuck. She's.
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Emotionally stuck? Yeah.
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Yeah, and. Well, I think she was prior to
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that even, because, you know. From the mom, probably.
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The mom died, Yeah. So so let's get into it because
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I do want to talk about that because there there's some
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there's some interesting things about her whole back story and
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her dad's back story. So episode starts out back in 19
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O 8 and this I'm assuming is a few months before Francis went
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to the carnival, because when we see that first flashback of 19 O
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8, she's sitting to the side by herself and there's like really
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no mention of her dad anywhere. So I'm going to assume it's
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after that because also when she shows her dad the clown costume
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in this episode, this is the first time that she's worn it,
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you know, but not OK Nineteen O 8.
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We get introduced to Bob Gray, who is the original Pennywise
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the clown. And going back to what we
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started out this episode with, I don't know who thinks clowns
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that look like him are funny because he definitely was giving
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off creepy vibes. Now, the only thing for me that
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was different was when he smiled a few times in his performance.
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It actually looked like a genuine smile.
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It was like everything else was creepy, but the smile was
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genuine. You know, like this is something
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he really enjoyed doing. It was it was making him happy.
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I was like, that makes it even more creepy because all of this
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is weird, but the smile looks very human.
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It looks genuine. I was like, OK, this is weird.
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But he's sitting there, he's dancing, he's doing his little
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skit with the flowers and the Beaver and or the chipmunk,
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whatever that thing was supposed to be.
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And then his performance gets morbid take.
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Yeah. Is this what they consider
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children's entertainment back then?
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Yeah, like a penny dreadful clown show.
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Yeah, it's. Right.
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And then it went dark. And then it went dark like, OK,
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I'm OK with the flowers and then the Beavers and the flowers.
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And then your wife died in the OK, OK, You dancing with her,
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her costume. Her.
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Yeah, her. I thought it was supposed to be
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like her ghost. That's what I felt like too.
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Either way, it's not right. Creepy.
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Yeah. No, either way, it's.
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Creepy. I'm not paying for that.
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Helping you with the mechanics of everything.
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Like, no wonder she was kind of stunted, you know what I mean?
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Like. Especially when we find out
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later on that her mom it well I mean she doesn't say her mom is
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gone, she just says that was mom's stage name.
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So obviously either mom left or mom died.
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But if mom died for him to, I don't know if that was his way
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of holding on to her, if she was his stage partner back then or
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something, but it was it. It's very emotionally weird, you
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know? When we were studying for trivia
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for Wizard for for Alice in Wonderland.
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So apparently, like up until Alice in Wonderland, everything
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that was geared towards kids were morality plays.
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OK. So we are, we are, we are kind
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of in a new age of entertaining children.
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So it's still sort of like a morality play.
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You know now that you say that that does.
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Make sense? Because you know what it makes
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me think of? It makes me think of Claudia in
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season 2 of Interview with the Vampire and, and her little
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play, because even though, and it reminds me of the the theme
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song for this particular show, you know, you have a little kid
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singing, a little girl singing and she's singing and her voice
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is happy, but what she's singing about is not necessarily happy.
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And then you have the background images that are, you know, dark.
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And it was the same thing with Claudia in Interview because
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she's she's playing this little girl dressed up in this cute
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dress and she's basically saying, I'm sick of this.
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I'm ready to fly out the window and commit suicide.
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So. But it's smiling and happy,
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right? I thought.
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Yeah, that makes sense, Anthony. That you bring that up because
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it reminds me that like all the original fairy tales were really
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dark and and horrifying and now. They weren't really, they
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weren't weren't really in the business of making children daft
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and happy. They were in the business of
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warning children about the world, you know.
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Yeah, but that whole thing it, it really was weird.
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And then the thing that really kind of got me was he seemed to
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be drawing the kids in to the show.
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And then at the end, when he actually does get happy and he
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starts doing his dancing, that's when all these little fuckers
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get up on the stage and start causing mayhem.
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I'm like. Yeah, losing their minds and
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busting the balloons. And I was like, what is?
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Pushing him, pulling his hair off.
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They I mean, it was. Like torture.
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It was very weird. It's just like he got attacked
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by the losers club. But I you know what?
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But when you think about. That foreshadowing.
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Those kids were just bad kids. Or do you think that was also
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its influence back then even? You know what?
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I don't know if I feel like it was its influence yet simply
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because you had the little kid standing in the barn door, the
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barn window, and I think he was looking at that and saying, oh,
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you know what, this might be a better way to do this.
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So I think he just happened to look and see how the kids were
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behaving. Because when we find out later
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on, this little kid, his parents apparently have been attacked by
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and killed by Pennywise, and Pennywise is inhabiting his
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body. I think at that point Pennywise
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was looking like, oh, this is a great way to lure kids to me.
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I don't have to. I don't even have to fuck with
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the adults. You can just go straight to the
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children, kids. See, I, I don't know, I was
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thinking that was a kid he got a while ago and that he's been
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using that kid to lure people. That is easy.
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He's been, yeah. Because he was like, oh, he did
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what he did to Bob. Bob, he did the same thing.
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Oh, my mom, my parents are in trouble.
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Can you help me? You know, I can't find them.
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It's like he's probably been doing that spill for a minute,
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'cause he, 'cause he was working.
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I think the thing that convinced me that this was a more recent
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thing was right after the little kid told Bob, you know, I can't
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find my parents. And he was like, where are they?
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They're dead. And, you know, Bob is sitting in
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nonchalant just drinking and smoking cigarette.
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Then you hear the screaming in the woods and he asked the
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little boy he was like, what was that?
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And the boy says, that was my mother.
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So I was like, oh, no, Pennywise is like, I think it was recent.
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He was probably chewing on the, you know, kind of taking his
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time with his, with his meal of the parents.
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And he probably would have used the little boy in that way.
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But I think he went to Bob because he saw the effect Bob
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had on the children earlier. He was like, oh, if I get with
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this guy, I can lure them all in droves and in bulk instead of
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just one person at a time. I'm just happy.
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I I, I hear what you're saying, but Pennywise don't start in the
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afternoon and still chewing on his food into the night time.
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He it doesn't it doesn't do that.
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And I think I think it's more convincing.
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I I'm more likely believe that that's that's what he's been
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doing recently is using the positive kid.
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He doesn't always finish his victims off immediately because
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if that was the case, Bev would have been dead.
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Yeah, but he don't go Well, he had her float with.
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Me. Yeah, he had.
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It hurts. Different.
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No. But he The thing is, he's been
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using the kid to get kids and adults.
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The screams was only for Bob because of how quiet things
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were. If you heard that other people
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that heard that that scream, it was to pull Bobby in to be like,
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hey, I need help with my mom. And he did though, and he went
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right and he went. Yeah.
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And also that was. The crazy thing because you're
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so you're so unhelpful while the kid is telling you all this
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stuff and then right after he tells you his parents are dead
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and you hear the screaming, he says who was that?
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He answers that's my mother. No you just told me your Mama
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was dead like 2 seconds ago. That would have been I don't
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remember him to tuck tail and rule I.
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Thought they were dead though. I remember saying they were
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dead, he said. He couldn't find them.
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He said he couldn't find. Them.
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No, I think he said they were dead.
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Hold. On But the other thing is the
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other thing is I think he's been doing it a while because one of
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the one of the carnies, when they found Bob's handkerchief
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with the blood on it, they're like, oh, it had to be wolves.
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Must have dragged them off because it's been a lot of wolf
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attacks in the area. I guarantee you those wolf
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attacks were not wolf attacks. OK, OK, I I forgot.
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Yeah, yeah, that, that, yeah. And then I was wondering like,
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how did he get the the handkerchiefs out of the woods?
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Because he didn't drop the handkerchief with blood on it
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outside the woods. I think they went looking for
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him. They went looking for.
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Him. OK, so then I guess the fire was
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full. He didn't feel like eating them
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too. Maybe because they were adults?
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Yeah, well, they weren't. Yeah.
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And it was. He wanted out of them.
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So he probably he just wanted Bob though.
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That's who he wanted. Yeah, yeah.
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He wanted to consume Bob so he can take.
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Bob fix. Yeah.
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Which is interesting to me because he doesn't seem to have
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to, well, I guess because that's just the form he he wants people
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to see him As for I guess forever.
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But like, like he can pretty much pretend to be anybody and
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he don't have to eat them to pretend to be them.
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So it's interesting that he ate Bob.
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He, he lured him to, I don't know, I guess he wanted to taste
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him. Like I want to know what he
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tastes like 'cause. Maybe he doesn't.
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Maybe he doesn't have to. Like you said, he doesn't have
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to eat them in order to project the image.
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But in order for him to physically have that image,
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maybe, maybe he has to do that. And and take his dance style,
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his comedic timing, his. Memories His.
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Voice. Yeah, yeah, He was like, I got
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to get them all inside me. Got.
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A bunch of crunchy, crunchy. Oh my God, I got face on my
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face. What?
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I you. Know 'cause that's probably how
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he was able to do, that's how he was able to do Maddie, 'cause he
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consumed all of Maddie. Yeah, 'cause he was Maddie in
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the physical form, walking around.
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Yeah, and he didn't. He didn't eat all of Phil, Teddy
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and Susie. Yeah.
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I tell you, but OK, going going back to the to the Carney and
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them giving her the handkerchiefs stuff.
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Why would you just give that to the child like this?
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Is your gruesome father's death. And not only that, y'all just
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automatically assume he's dead. Like y'all look for 20 minutes
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and y'all like, oh, I guess he gone.
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No, they were like what? What was left of him?
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And they brought back the you know, we found what was left of
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him. And, you know, here's the
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handkerchief. I don't think they found
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anything of him. I think that that was the thing
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they found the handkerchief. Back in those days, if you if
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you just found the bloody handkerchief, it's nothing left
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because of those wolves, because of the.
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Wolves and and they knew about the wolves in the the wolves in
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the area were were eating people too.
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So I was going. To say probably there.
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Was no wolves in the area? He could have been look, he
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could have had TB. He could have been coughing in
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the handkerchief like we see them doing all the other movies.
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You know, you got TB, you're coughing up blood.
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Yeah, that that that projectile is in splocks.
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This was a soaking at. First I thought it was a chunk
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of him and then I was like, oh. I did too.
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It was. Yeah, I did too.
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And then he had to make. Oh, sorry, go ahead.
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Now. The only thing I was thinking
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about is if it was wolves, they would have like dragged him to
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some place to feed children and all that kind of stuff.
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Or they would have just had a mangled body.
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But there was nobody, just a handkerchief.
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There was some hungry. Wolves.
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So yeah, yeah. But then.
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You know he had to consume him too, because he had to make sure
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he'd get that red wig, right? OK, Bob couldn't.
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OK, so you're right. Because because he said yeah,
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because they said there was no body until we found the trace in
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him and all they had was a handkerchief.
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And there's like, well, until we find the body.
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OK, yeah. And OK, so the the little boy
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did say I can't find my parents. But even with that, if you say I
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can't find my parents. And then you hear the scream.
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And you very calmly say, oh, that's my mother, it's time for
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you to go because obviously this kid ain't too worried about his
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mom. If he hears her screaming, he's
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just like, that's my mother. And I'm cool with that.
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Did you see the look on this boy's face?
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Right. Like what kid is is like that?
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He looks. Creepier than the clown does.
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It's time to go, yeah. So baby.
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And they didn't regard kids too much anyway.
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Well that's why I just wish Bob had some kept his his same same
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energy he had when he was like Nah, I can't.
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Help you like right? Like he wasn't even trying.
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Like, OK. Can you help me find my parents?
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Can't you say I'm busy? Busy drinking, drinking,
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drinking and then finally you going to walk off with him.
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Come on right now. Because he grabbed Joe.
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Hey. That's our customer service
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tank. Go there.
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Right, because at this point I'm looking I'm like, also, Bob only
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likes his child. He don't like no other children,
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right? Right, that's what I was
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thinking. Too.
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But then I started thinking about after everything happens
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and you know Ingrid is told that her dad is dead or whatever.
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I started thinking about Miss Curious conversation with Lily
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in the last episode, how she was saying that she stayed, you
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know, she stayed with the carnival and then when they left
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dairy, she stayed in dairy. I was like, she had to have
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remained in the carnival for a while because we see her later
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on when Frances is at the carnival.
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She's by herself. And she does look a little bit
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older in that one. And I don't know if that's just
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maybe she did her makeup different, but I was like, how
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was she staying dairy by herself?
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She had to stay for a couple of years until she could support
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her own self. And she probably just stayed
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with the carnival because they were like, OK, you, you know,
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from, from what you hear of those types of carnivals from
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the years, they treat each other like family.
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So once her dad disappeared, they probably were like, we're
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not going to leave you alone. We'll still take care of you.
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You can still work with us and we'll still pay you or we'll
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still, you know, provide your upkeep.
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However they did that. And then once they decided to
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move on, she was like, yeah, I'm just going to stay.
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But I was like, she had to have been older than that because she
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who was she going to stay with as a kid?
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Just, oh, I'm not going with the carnival.
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So where did you stay? Who took care of you?
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So it had to been a few years. And if you're in, you're in that
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environment, you're already young.
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You've already dealt with the loss of one parent, whether it
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was the parent that left or the parent that died, whatever you
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dealing with the loss of 1. And then you have another one
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taken from you so violently. And then if you think about it,
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notice every time she talks about her father, she talks
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about him being taken, not killed, not dead.
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So I think like, yes, she she got a couple of screws loose.
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But I think for her, she really has always believed that her dad
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was just out there, which kind of further makes me think that
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her mom just left, you know what I'm saying?
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But. She did say terrible accident
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she did, but I think she starts saying taken after he had much
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of crunch in the basement and then she was like, oh, that
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spirit took her day in because at first she had did tell Lily
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that it was a terrible accident that took him.
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I was like, it's. Not.
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Accident, she said. Something terrible happened.
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I don't know when because I was like, oh, I wonder what
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happened. I didn't realize.
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Yeah, No, I really thought he just took his persona.
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I didn't think he killed him. I just thought maybe he died at
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the, you know, like a bad freak accident or something.
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I think he lured him into the wood.
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There's a hip in there. We found the body.
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Yeah, it'll. Be there.
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Yeah. And for her, that's terrible
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because it was blood everywhere. So it was a terrible incident.
00:22:05
But I'm just saying I wasn't expecting him to be, you know,
00:22:09
taken not like a free accident. Something fall on them and then
00:22:14
next to Pennywise, like, oh, shoot, this is great.
00:22:18
I have someone to He lured him into the woods.
00:22:24
So again, I think this is the most we've ever dealt delved
00:22:29
into the back story of the original Pennywise the Clown,
00:22:33
right, 'cause I don't think they gave this story in the book and
00:22:38
I know they didn't get go into the IT that deeply in the in
00:22:42
either of the movies. Well, no, just say when Bev was
00:22:45
in in the house, she had a vision of Bob putting on the
00:22:50
makeup and, you know, and she saw the the same pictures.
00:22:54
OK, yeah. But that that was it.
00:22:59
Then they like look and then in the in the original movie, I
00:23:01
think Hammer was in the second movie in other movies, but they
00:23:04
saw the the photo album of him as the real kind of like what
00:23:09
they showed in here with with Lily looking in the album.
00:23:12
They kind of had that same similar thing.
00:23:14
OK, but we never knew his full back story, just what what he
00:23:19
looked like and that he was a real person that was a clown.
00:23:22
Yeah. OK.
00:23:23
All right. Yeah.
00:23:30
How unfortunate. That blood on the handkerchief,
00:23:33
it's like, yeah, you got little splatters, but it's all
00:23:36
concentrated in one spot. Yeah, it almost look like some
00:23:39
brains and stuff on there, but it's not just, you know.
00:23:42
Yeah, it's soaked in blood. It's.
00:23:44
Soaked in blood, it's. Soaked it's they had a little
00:23:47
tub. In in his his outfit.
00:23:50
And then they just presented it to her, like, here's a present
00:23:53
for you. All right, who does that to a
00:23:56
child? Or anybody, really.
00:23:59
I guess that's what they do in 19 O 8.
00:24:02
Yeah, I mean, he probably just, he's like, I ain't really got no
00:24:05
tact. I'm just go tell her how I can
00:24:06
tell her. Yeah.
00:24:08
And that could be some people don't have, they don't have that
00:24:12
kind of, I don't know, bedside manner when it comes to
00:24:16
children, especially if they don't have any.
00:24:18
Yeah. And him being the, the owner of
00:24:21
the, of the carnivore or whatever, he probably was just
00:24:24
like, damn, now I got to find another clown.
00:24:28
You know, I mean, think about it.
00:24:30
That's, that's, that's probably a good source of entertainment
00:24:33
for him. He probably had to give refunds
00:24:36
that night because while Pennywise was over there
00:24:39
drinking and smoking, you can hear the announcement in the
00:24:43
background, like the next Pennywise show will be in 30
00:24:46
minutes. Blah.
00:24:46
Blah blah won't. Be he, he probably had to give
00:24:52
out some refunds and. Come out and.
00:24:54
Naked. And you know, he got to think.
00:24:56
He got to think about his his business, his operations, yeah
00:25:03
and I mean, regardless of how the Carney community might be
00:25:07
family, whether he whatever, he's probably also thinking,
00:25:10
damn, now there's another mouth I got to feed cause her dad's
00:25:15
gone. He not just going to kick her
00:25:16
out on the street, but. Go and put that Perry Winkle on
00:25:23
for me. Do a little dance.
00:25:28
Do a little dance, little Periwinkle.
00:25:33
So it's funny because I didn't notice until I rewatched so we
00:25:38
could take the last episode. When I rewatched the last
00:25:41
episode, I had noticed that she said that her name was
00:25:45
Periwinkle and when she was talking to Lily.
00:25:48
And then so when I went back and I watched this and she was
00:25:51
saying she took her mom, you know, he gave her mom's name and
00:25:53
she was like, oh, bad, blah, blah, blah.
00:25:56
And then she was like, I was talking a little about her, her,
00:25:59
him and his little periwinkle. And I was just like, oh, she's
00:26:03
far gone, like far. Because that was her mom's stage
00:26:07
name. And now she got it.
00:26:09
And oh, she was not going to let that go.
00:26:11
That meant everything to her, like her whole everything
00:26:15
because her dad gave her that honor.
00:26:16
You could tell like she was so like, yeah, like, you know, And
00:26:20
I was just like, oh boy, this, This is why this is.
00:26:23
Why, Yeah. And also, I mean, think about
00:26:27
it. Her dad, again, it seemed like
00:26:31
he doted on her. You know, once he was gone, she
00:26:36
probably didn't have that from anybody else we see.
00:26:39
She obviously didn't have it from her husband, which could
00:26:42
also be a reason why she ended up with Hank in the first place.
00:26:46
Yeah, You know, she was. She was going in search of
00:26:49
something, connection, whatever. And then it just when she put it
00:26:54
to, you know, two and two together, like, oh, this might
00:26:56
be how I can see my dad again. You went from one form of love
00:27:00
or whatever it was you have with Hank.
00:27:02
And you're like, oh, but I can get the greatest one over here.
00:27:06
I just got to sacrifice this 10. Boy.
00:27:12
But OK, let's go ahead and get into the black spot.
00:27:18
Get into the black. Spot the black spot.
00:27:21
Because Speaking of Hank Rogan, I thought you said you was going
00:27:26
to sell your ass in that room. No.
00:27:29
Yeah, because you would have been fine if you did, but you
00:27:32
showed yourself you just made it worse.
00:27:35
You. You did.
00:27:36
I don't want people to get. Shot because of me Well, you
00:27:39
did. Everybody died because of me,
00:27:43
right? Everybody and.
00:27:45
And what did you think they was going to do?
00:27:47
Did you think they was going to take you?
00:27:49
You knew they was going to lynch your ass.
00:27:51
Been in and you just told Ronnie y'all was never Yeah, you told
00:27:56
You told Ronnie y'all was never going to be separated again.
00:28:00
The hell. Like that there, I just can't
00:28:03
imagine there was nowhere to like he couldn't figure out
00:28:06
nothing else besides coming out there and like they're not going
00:28:11
to leave witnesses that they strung you up and and and
00:28:15
lynched you. That part, that part, you know,
00:28:20
so all those people, they were dead regardless whether they
00:28:23
gave him up, whether they they continue to hide him.
00:28:29
Like I said, they had windows. He could, he could have jumped
00:28:31
out a window, he could have ran into the night, he could have
00:28:34
hid. And then if they would have gone
00:28:36
and searched, they would have been like, oh, OK, he didn't
00:28:41
have to come out and do the way. And then not only that, you know
00:28:46
what kind of reaction your daughter is going to have.
00:28:49
So now you really have put her in danger, not to mention her
00:28:56
friends that, you know, are I mean, Will was.
00:29:00
Yeah. I I have AI have a huge problem
00:29:04
with Hank Grogan. And I mean, I I understand you
00:29:08
really were trying to you you you thought you were doing the
00:29:13
right thing. Hey, don't don't bother them.
00:29:16
I'm here, I'll I'll come quietly, but like you said,
00:29:20
they're not going to leave witnesses to that, especially if
00:29:22
you find him hanging from a tree the next day.
00:29:25
They used to fire bomb churches just because black people was in
00:29:27
there so. So a little illegal droop joint.
00:29:32
Yeah, you think they? Just don't they going to let
00:29:35
that ride. And they don't even care.
00:29:36
It's part of the military land. It doesn't even matter.
00:29:39
No, doesn't matter that they had masks over their face and nobody
00:29:43
would be able to point out who it was anyway.
00:29:45
All all you got to do is probably walk into town.
00:29:48
I mean, oh, I remember that car. Oh, I remember that car.
00:29:53
You can easily do that. But again, you have two
00:29:57
witnesses who saw the cars who would be able to identify there.
00:30:01
There was no way out for this situation.
00:30:04
None. And then for it to for it to
00:30:09
escalate as fast as it did, because they come into they come
00:30:12
into the Juke joint, they have the guns drawn.
00:30:15
Hey, we want Hank Grogan. And like we said in the last
00:30:18
episode, these are military men. So they pulled their guns out.
00:30:22
They was like, oh, you didn't think we was just in here.
00:30:24
Just be in here, right? So now you have a standoff.
00:30:28
Not only that, you got kids over here.
00:30:31
Yeah. So, yeah, that is the part that
00:30:34
bugged me about that We got a standoff.
00:30:37
You got kids over here. Did they not see the kids?
00:30:39
I don't, I don't think they were paying attention to the kids
00:30:42
because I think the way that I, the way that I looked at it and
00:30:46
all the, all the adults were kind of standing around.
00:30:50
I think they were shielding the kids to try to protect them.
00:30:54
Because I mean, think about it, all the folks in the Juke joint,
00:30:58
they were cool with Rich and Marge being in there and Will
00:31:00
being in there. You know, I mean, old boy gave
00:31:03
them some, some drink. Somebody else put Rich on the
00:31:06
drums. They were having a good time.
00:31:09
And I'm going to be, I'm completely honest, right?
00:31:12
The girl who was the singer. Get your butt home.
00:31:14
Yeah, and she, she. Was probably a teenager.
00:31:17
I think they probably did see Will and Ronnie and didn't care
00:31:23
and they popped right? And then they could have saw
00:31:25
Rich and still didn't care. But if they had saw Marge, it
00:31:28
was a bit different. That's what they didn't see.
00:31:31
I don't know if that. I don't know if at that point it
00:31:33
would have made any difference. For her it would because they
00:31:36
would have sent her out like the other girl.
00:31:40
I do wonder about that because. Because.
00:31:41
Yeah, right. Because Rich Richie wasn't
00:31:43
technically right, right? So him, yeah, but if they saw
00:31:47
Marge, they would have sent her out like they seen I.
00:31:50
Thought they saw the kids and that's and they so they saw the
00:31:52
guns and they might have seen the kids and that's why they was
00:31:54
like, OK, let's back away. But then of course they were
00:31:58
just like, Nah, lock them up. Yeah, yeah.
00:31:59
That's what. I was going to say and start
00:32:01
shooting. So they while they try to get
00:32:03
out. Yeah, because when that's
00:32:07
because when when they when they drew the guns and he said put
00:32:13
your put your weapons down, put your weapons down.
00:32:15
OK, everybody, let's go, let's go.
00:32:18
I was like that. That was way too easy.
00:32:21
So I figured they were just going to go outside, wait for
00:32:24
them to come out and then pick them off that way.
00:32:27
I didn't think as soon as they closed the door, I thought about
00:32:31
it and I, I thought back to the Patriot and I was like, oh, I
00:32:36
know what's about to happen. This is about to be horrible.
00:32:41
I I just want to point out Dick's face when it came out.
00:32:49
This is like. This motherfucker, Yeah, you
00:32:52
just caused up some problems there.
00:32:55
I mean, indeed, you don't brought that, he said it, he
00:32:59
said. He said you about to bring down
00:33:02
a whole lot of trouble on us. And guess what?
00:33:04
That's exactly what he did. Yeah, yeah.
00:33:10
And so of course, the racist, the white people, they chain the
00:33:19
doors up and they firebomb the Juke joint.
00:33:24
So now you've got people panicking, you've got people
00:33:28
trying to get out. They've already locked both of
00:33:30
the doors. Every time someone goes to the
00:33:33
window and they try to shoot outside, they're getting shot.
00:33:36
So you got people getting their heads blown out, people getting
00:33:38
shot, all this stuff going on. And then you have the kids who
00:33:43
are also in there panicking, trying to get out.
00:33:48
It is pandemonium. I'm just, again, I hate I as
00:33:56
much as we hate to see these images, I'm glad that they
00:33:59
showed it because again, a lot of people don't know that stuff
00:34:04
like this really actually happened until they watch it in
00:34:06
something like this or something Lovecraft Country or in the
00:34:10
Watchmen. Yeah, you know.
00:34:13
Or sinners, because that's what they were going to do.
00:34:15
They were going to do that in sinners.
00:34:17
Yeah, there's been a lot of comparisons actually to sinners
00:34:20
with the a lot of this stuff. Yeah, yeah.
00:34:24
But I mean, it was the IT was the times.
00:34:26
That's that's what they did. It was an everyday.
00:34:28
Thing for black people. Yeah, but.
00:34:32
Like being said, they would just firebomb the church just because
00:34:36
that's together, that's together.
00:34:39
Yeah, so in the midst of all this chaos, everybody dying,
00:34:45
everybody getting shot and all this other stuff, Dick starts
00:34:52
seeing the dead people walking around.
00:34:56
He sees the dead people that are dying right then and there.
00:34:59
I think he sees some other dead people.
00:35:03
And then he sees a native woman walking through The Walking
00:35:12
through the the the Juke joint. And he does what he didn't want
00:35:17
to do. He calls out to her because he's
00:35:20
trying to, he's trying to figure out a way out because at this
00:35:23
point they're trapped. They there is no way out.
00:35:26
The windows are being watched. They, the, the men have
00:35:29
surrounded the place. Every time someone gets out of
00:35:32
window, they get shot. If they go to the window and try
00:35:34
to shoot, they get shot. But I thought he called, called,
00:35:39
called her because he did have a way out.
00:35:45
But he heard the kids and that's when he called.
00:35:48
So I can find the kids because he's about to leave.
00:35:50
Oh. Yeah.
00:35:51
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he was good.
00:35:55
He was good. When he was getting ready to
00:35:58
leave and. I no, but yeah, he but he was
00:36:00
good though. And then he was like, oh crap,
00:36:03
his children. But but you know, if you notice
00:36:06
when he heard the kids at first he was still going to go.
00:36:10
Yeah, but the kids screaming and then he changed his mind and
00:36:13
that's when he asked her, where are the kids?
00:36:15
Like, damn, I got to do this because he wasn't going to leave
00:36:17
them. He was about to leave them.
00:36:19
That's the little girl who who mother or whoever, I think it
00:36:23
was her mother who was the original person that was like.
00:36:28
She she's the she's the one that wouldn't, that became the
00:36:31
gatekeeper or the the one she. Got her mother.
00:36:35
Killed the 13 artifacts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:36:40
But in the midst of all this, you know, like I said, the kids,
00:36:44
they're they're trying to stick together.
00:36:46
Willing, Ronnie, are trying to stick together.
00:36:47
And they keep getting torn apart by people who are panicking,
00:36:52
running, whatever, whatever. Willing.
00:36:55
I mean, Rich and Marge are sticking together.
00:37:00
They're trying to stay together. They're trying to find a way
00:37:03
out. And Ronnie notices Pennywise,
00:37:09
because Pennywise, he, he appears and he's looking around
00:37:12
like, oh, I got a smorgasbord here, and literally starts
00:37:17
munching on one of the ladies. And Ronnie sees it and he just
00:37:22
kind of looks at her and just makes it known that Yep, I'm
00:37:27
here, I'm about to have some fun.
00:37:32
Dick sees him. I don't think Richard Marge ever
00:37:36
saw him. I think it was just Ronnie,
00:37:39
because I think Ronnie was. I feel like Ronnie was more
00:37:43
scared not only just because of her, but she was also like,
00:37:46
Daddy, where are you, Dad? She's she's still worried about
00:37:49
her dad because she and her dad got separated in the midst of
00:37:52
all of this. So I think probably on that fear
00:37:55
level, she was probably at the highest.
00:37:57
So Pennywise was like dialed into her, you know?
00:38:01
Yeah, but I don't even know if I'm going to get through.
00:38:08
This I don't have I I don't really have any words for it.
00:38:12
It's it's other than I mean Penny wise is there doing his
00:38:16
thing, but just this whole thing is is just disturbing.
00:38:23
Right it is. To see.
00:38:26
And try to. Escape and you're being shot.
00:38:28
And that's what I mean by people are just awful.
00:38:31
People are. Because this was not even out of
00:38:34
the norm. Yeah, for this like it didn't
00:38:37
need Pennywise. For sure it didn't.
00:38:41
But because, but because everybody is scared.
00:38:44
Oh, Pennywise, that that's what he he.
00:38:46
Oh, this is exactly what I need. And well, that's what that's
00:38:50
what Ingrid says later when she's talking to him.
00:38:54
She's like, I knew if I did this, you couldn't resist all
00:38:58
the pain and death that you would be here, right?
00:39:05
But she said all this up just for that.
00:39:07
So. Trifling, but OK.
00:39:14
Lots of death. Lots and lots of death.
00:39:18
And you have the kids who are trying to escape.
00:39:21
Ronnie gets thrown around from one person to another person.
00:39:26
Marge accidentally falls into some fire.
00:39:30
Her arm is catches on fire. Rich puts it out and in the
00:39:34
midst of all this, Dickie is, is walking around and this is where
00:39:39
he sees an old soldier with the bayonet on him.
00:39:42
And this old, oh, he, he just walked across my screen.
00:39:47
This soldier, his whole lower jaw is, is completely gone.
00:39:51
So this was obviously not one of them because nobody had a
00:39:54
bayonet on their shoulder. This had to be an older.
00:39:58
Never died in that area, but. You know, he actually figures
00:40:04
out a way to get out because when he came to the black spot
00:40:08
earlier that day, after everything he had gone through
00:40:10
in the tunnel, he noticed that there was a leak coming from the
00:40:13
refrigerator. So the floor is wood.
00:40:17
The floor is weak. He he gets somebody to help him
00:40:20
move the refrigerator. He punches a hole or kicks a
00:40:24
hole into the floor. He's getting ready to escape.
00:40:27
Like we said, he's like, yeah, I'm about to go.
00:40:30
Ronnie is calling for her dad and he looks and he was like,
00:40:36
oh, she needs her dad. And then he he was like, Nope,
00:40:38
I'm still going to go. I'm still going to get down.
00:40:42
Then as he's getting ready to crawl into the the hole, this is
00:40:47
where the native ghost comes. And I don't know if that was
00:40:53
just something that he all of a sudden got a guilty conscience
00:40:58
or he was like, OK, if this, if this person is here right now,
00:41:02
let me use her to do what I need to do.
00:41:05
Because Dick was still about to get in that floor even after he
00:41:09
heard Ronnie. Where's my dad?
00:41:10
Where's my dad? But I, I don't know if they
00:41:14
would have let him rest, be in peace if they like, Oh, you let
00:41:18
children to save your ass. So he's like, you know what?
00:41:23
Let me go on ahead and open my mouth and and and and try to
00:41:26
find these children. I, I think part of it is because
00:41:31
he knew this was a lot of this with, with Penny Wise with his
00:41:35
fault when he, especially when he saw the native lady and
00:41:38
probably jog his memory that he took the information.
00:41:42
You know, he's helping basically to try to like, I mean, he's
00:41:46
helping to stir Penny Wise up to a certain extent by doing what
00:41:49
he's doing. Yep.
00:41:53
So Penny wise, he comes in, he comes strolling in and I was
00:41:56
like, this is not supposed to be funny.
00:41:58
And it's like in the midst of all of this.
00:42:01
He's strolling in. He was strolling in, he was
00:42:03
like, hey, And he finds one of the girls and he calls out to
00:42:09
her name. And he was like, come, let me
00:42:12
help you. Maybe it was the fear, but I'm
00:42:16
sorry if I'm in a fire and that clown comes to me and says let
00:42:19
me help. You know what, I will take my
00:42:21
chances with the fire. Yeah.
00:42:24
Yeah, that was just a lot of despair though, because I, there
00:42:30
would never be, there's never a time unless I was passed out
00:42:32
that I would have stopped trying to get out of there.
00:42:35
I I would have been trying to find something like something
00:42:38
because I, I just can't imagine just sitting down and just yeah,
00:42:44
yeah. Like once the, you know, the
00:42:45
kids were stuck, they were stuck.
00:42:47
The, the stuff fell down. They were stuck.
00:42:49
She wasn't stuck because the spare just took over her and she
00:42:52
I just came to my, I mean, I. Well, I think because she was
00:42:55
with somebody, they were getting ready to leave and he literally
00:42:58
had just gotten shot in front of her.
00:43:00
Yeah, so at this point, she's. And I think she was just kind of
00:43:03
like, if I move, I'm going to die, you know what I'm saying?
00:43:07
She was, she was thinking about that immediate danger, I think.
00:43:11
Yeah, so I was like, girl, what is she doing?
00:43:15
Pick up. But it didn't matter because
00:43:16
when Ronnie sees Pennywise, he's jumping on her like he's almost
00:43:21
eaten half her face. And he's like, do I have face on
00:43:24
my face? I was like.
00:43:25
Motherfucker. Face on my face.
00:43:27
Face on my face. This.
00:43:31
Ain't. Oh my gosh.
00:43:33
And then Dick finds Ronnie and they see Pennywise.
00:43:40
And Penny was Pennywise was like, do you see?
00:43:42
Are you seeing things? Well, I think they see you too.
00:43:45
And you see a whole army of dead people behind Pennywise walking
00:43:49
towards them. I was like, Oh my God.
00:43:51
Oh my God. So then Hank finds Dick finds
00:43:56
his daughter. They get ready to go into the
00:43:58
hole and Dick is like, we still got other kids.
00:44:03
Or rather, I think Hank says that to him.
00:44:06
There's still other kids. There's still other kids.
00:44:07
We got to get the other kids because I think they have Will
00:44:11
at this point, too. So it's just Rich and Marge and
00:44:18
Dick is trying to get to them and the ceiling collapses in
00:44:23
between them. So they're cut off at this
00:44:25
point. Dick gets in, you know, he, he
00:44:28
keeps going. Rich and Marge are left to try
00:44:32
to figure out a way to get out or, you know, perish in the
00:44:36
fire. There is a box and it's, it's,
00:44:41
it's a box that I think it was like a cooler or something
00:44:43
because they had the sodas. And Rich is like, help me turn
00:44:48
this over. We can get in and, and we can,
00:44:51
you know, shield ourselves from the fire.
00:44:53
He was like, this is the only way we're going to make it out.
00:44:55
I, I can't, I can't, I can't. It's it's on that part now and
00:45:00
Marge is telling him she's like, it's too, it's too small, it's
00:45:02
too much room. He was like, no, we can fit.
00:45:04
We can fit. Fit.
00:45:05
Get in, get in, He. Puts her in and when she gets in
00:45:09
and she realizes how tight it. Is now.
00:45:13
She's like, we both can't fit. Oh my God.
00:45:19
And Rich looks at her. At this point I am ugly sobbing
00:45:23
to the TV because I know what's about to happen.
00:45:28
Rich closes her in the he he pushes her down.
00:45:31
He's like, look there. We're we're both not going to
00:45:35
fit. You're going to be OK, you're
00:45:37
going to be OK. And he's he's shuts her in there
00:45:39
and he lays on when he laying on top of it.
00:45:42
I was done. I was done.
00:45:45
Because this whole time we've been talking, we've been talking
00:45:48
all season, and I have said Rich is my favorite character.
00:45:52
Yeah, which means I know he's going to die, but I was totally
00:45:57
prepared for him to have a violent, gruesome death by
00:46:01
Pennywise. This is what I was prepared for.
00:46:04
I was not preparing. For this sweet sadness.
00:46:08
For this beautiful death scene. Phenomenal.
00:46:13
Phenomenally acted, Yeah. By a fucking kid, yeah.
00:46:19
This is worse. Yes.
00:46:22
And then to the sewer. Because he was at peace knowing
00:46:25
he was saving the woman he loved and he was too young to be
00:46:28
putting a grown feeling. Right.
00:46:31
I, I would have took that picture when I saw you in that
00:46:34
hallway. You made that comment.
00:46:36
I love you. I love you kissing the.
00:46:40
He kissed the. He kissed.
00:46:42
The box, he kissed the box. I was like, you know what?
00:46:49
And the other thing is while while they're sitting there
00:46:51
having a conversation, like you said, he's completely at peace.
00:46:56
Because it was so interesting. You know, I've been talking for
00:47:00
the last couple of episodes. I was like, we still haven't
00:47:03
seen what Rich's fear yet. We haven't seen his fear yet.
00:47:06
Like Pennywise hasn't come after him.
00:47:08
Pennywise didn't have a dog in that fight.
00:47:11
He didn't have anything to grip with Rich because even from the
00:47:15
beginning when when Lily came and told them about Pennywise
00:47:20
and and Rich came into it, he was like oh OK that's an evil
00:47:23
spirit. We know how my family knows how
00:47:25
to get rid of them. He was very mad of fact about
00:47:28
it. Now granted, he was scared the
00:47:30
times that he had Pennywise in his face, because who wouldn't
00:47:34
be right? Yeah.
00:47:35
But every other time he has been the most level headed out of all
00:47:41
of them and it shows in this scene.
00:47:46
This boy knew he was going to die to save this girl and he was
00:47:51
completely fine with it and even went back to the conversation
00:47:55
they had in the cafeteria about pirates and and nights, you
00:48:01
know, and he was like, you know, the other thing that Knights do.
00:48:06
He was like we saved the fair maidens.
00:48:08
Save the fair maiden. And she knew once he said that,
00:48:12
she knew it was the done deal. It was absolutely done.
00:48:15
She stopped fighting because how at this point, how are you going
00:48:20
to take that away from him? And.
00:48:25
When they down to him, when he was just so calm, like he just
00:48:28
was he was calm. So he, just like everybody else,
00:48:32
is running around screaming or. You know, terrified in the
00:48:36
corner, like he was just calm like this is what I'm supposed
00:48:40
to do. He laid down on his basically,
00:48:44
he laid down on his grave and he he did what he needed to do.
00:48:47
He got he got large calm. He expressed his feelings for
00:48:52
her and it was it was so sweet because you would think him
00:48:57
being the one who had the crush on her the longest that he would
00:49:01
have been like I love you. But in the last episode when she
00:49:05
mentioned dating, they were both kind of uncomfortable.
00:49:08
I don't think he wanted to make her uncomfortable in that
00:49:11
moment. So when she said it to him, I
00:49:14
love you Rich. I was like, you know what?
00:49:16
I can't fuck y'all. Fuck the writers who did this.
00:49:20
But also at the same time, bravo, because that was some
00:49:24
amazing writing. Very RNS Cartaya.
00:49:29
That's that's the young actor's name who plays rich.
00:49:34
Give this boy all the awards because he.
00:49:37
So he deserves the Emmy. He.
00:49:39
Acted in this scene better than some adult actors I've seen
00:49:43
doing this for years for sure. That boy.
00:49:47
Golden Globe. Yes, he deserves it.
00:49:49
He has some instinct and he has some talent.
00:49:52
Yeah, so who's going to use rich for their what is it?
00:49:56
What's our thing? Funerals and repass.
00:49:58
Oh, the funerals and Repass. Who's going to have Rich on
00:50:01
their list for that? Somebody better, somebody
00:50:04
better. Can we count this as sci-fi
00:50:06
since he's an alien? Yes, we can do it at telefast.
00:50:09
Oh yes, absolutely. Absolutely, it is an alien and
00:50:14
has a spaceship. Oh my God.
00:50:16
This is about tears. And when he like, like Michelle,
00:50:20
when he kissed that box, Yeah, like it, it, it.
00:50:27
Has everybody. It's everybody because like you
00:50:30
look at social media, YouTube, everyone is in a chokehold from
00:50:35
this. Yes.
00:50:37
It's just would have been better if Rich died in the sewer
00:50:40
because this is worse. And like everyone was done all
00:50:43
week and it only been not all week.
00:50:45
It felt like a week. It's only been two days.
00:50:48
It only been 2 days. Yeah.
00:50:50
Yeah. And then two things.
00:50:51
One, we saw how he was going to die when we first see Rich,
00:50:56
which is really I hate when they do shit like that.
00:50:58
Yeah, I just get that clip about that.
00:51:01
Yeah, because you see the fire in her her glasses.
00:51:04
And I thought it was weird because I said something
00:51:06
Anthony, like, well, there ain't Penny.
00:51:09
Why? So why was there fire in her
00:51:11
glasses? But I didn't pay attention to
00:51:13
it, not thinking there's going to be a fire later on in this in
00:51:16
this season. And then second Marge's husband.
00:51:21
I feel sorry for him. Yeah.
00:51:24
Well, I think you were saying, you were saying in the last
00:51:26
episode, Dina, somebody has a fan theory that Marge is
00:51:29
actually Richie told you and she named her kid after him.
00:51:35
Whatever her husband is, yeah. He's he's second, he's second
00:51:40
fiddle baby. Yeah, everyday, but.
00:51:42
She made her true love when she was 20.
00:51:44
And and no one is ever going to live up to him.
00:51:48
No. I mean, and I had to.
00:51:50
Speak. He gave his life for me.
00:51:51
Like, how could I ever love anybody else?
00:51:54
And I love the that her telling him that she loved him.
00:51:57
I love that that was the last thing he heard.
00:51:59
Yeah, I love. Even even when he when when she
00:52:05
said there wasn't enough room, his face, his face was just
00:52:10
like, I know baby, I'm doing this because I want you to live
00:52:13
like. Like he knew when he, I think
00:52:17
when he looked at that box, he already knew he wasn't going to
00:52:21
come out of this. Yeah.
00:52:24
He was just thinking about her. And then when, when the fire is
00:52:29
over in the morning and the the firemen are there and she
00:52:33
starts, you know, yelling, hey, let me out, let me out, let me
00:52:36
out. And they let him let her out.
00:52:37
When she gets out, she looks over because you can see the top
00:52:41
of his head because they've apparently taken him off the
00:52:44
box, which to me, you're stupid. You took him off the box, but
00:52:48
you didn't check to see what was in the box.
00:52:51
Yeah, I. Don't think they took.
00:52:52
I don't think they took. He sat down.
00:52:54
I think he sat down. Yeah, I.
00:52:55
Think. He sat down.
00:52:56
I. Don't know because I feel like
00:52:58
I, I don't feel like he would have.
00:52:59
I think he would have stayed up there and protected her until
00:53:02
the very end. I don't think he's a gotten up.
00:53:05
He he did the way how he was positioned.
00:53:08
He sat down. He just sat down in resignation.
00:53:11
Like, this is it? I'm just.
00:53:12
This is it, yeah. Because of like, he was done and
00:53:16
he just was. Yeah, because if they had test,
00:53:18
if they picked up his body, they would have taken him out.
00:53:21
They wouldn't have sat him right?
00:53:22
There, Yeah, not I mean he's like stiff of how he was sitting
00:53:26
yeah just. And his eyes were still.
00:53:30
No. And then she didn't see him.
00:53:35
And then when she turned around and he was sitting there.
00:53:37
Because I think she went, I think she was like, where is he?
00:53:42
She was like, I got to find him. And then like I said, you see
00:53:44
the top of his head. She goes over, she sees him, and
00:53:48
just at the moment that she gets ready to sit next to him, here
00:53:51
comes Ronnie. Ronnie sees him, she starts
00:53:54
crying. Then here comes Will.
00:53:56
I was done. Yeah, I was so done at this
00:54:01
point because yeah, I, I just. They knew what they were doing.
00:54:18
That was rough. It's it's your boy Aladdin wrote
00:54:21
this. You know that, right?
00:54:22
Your boy Aladdin When? I heard that.
00:54:25
I was like, what? So apparently the guy who did
00:54:31
the voice for Aladdin in the 1992 movie 19, that was 92,
00:54:37
right? The person.
00:54:39
Yeah. The person who did Aladdin's
00:54:41
voice was the writer of this episode.
00:54:44
A whole new World my. Yeah.
00:54:54
Thank you, Elaine. Thank you for this.
00:54:56
Right, right. Thank you for traumatizing me
00:54:59
for the rest of the year and probably for next year as well.
00:55:03
Yeah. But all the while, this carnage
00:55:06
is going on. You got your races outside.
00:55:10
And of course, at this point, they've taken their masks off.
00:55:13
Yeah, and they're real men. And they're just sitting there
00:55:17
and they're just watching. And the only person who looks
00:55:21
like he might have a little shred of regret is the one
00:55:25
person who, out of all of them, should be the most upset.
00:55:30
And that's Phil, Susie's dad. Did you notice that at first he
00:55:35
was, he was. You could tell he was still
00:55:37
like, but then he was just like, this ain't what I actually want.
00:55:40
This is not what I want. I just want.
00:55:42
I just wanted the man responsible for my child.
00:55:45
I didn't want to kill all these people, yeah.
00:55:48
Because I don't think for him it was ever about all of this other
00:55:52
stuff. He just wanted the person he
00:55:54
thought killed his kids. That's.
00:55:57
It. Yeah, and you can see that on
00:56:00
his face. Because he was very like he was,
00:56:04
you know? Yeah.
00:56:08
But you set stuff in motion and you can't stop, brother.
00:56:10
I mean, Hank. Hank knows that now.
00:56:13
Yeah, but I mean, he wasn't even the one that set it in motion.
00:56:17
This was Bowers. No, I know, I know, but but so
00:56:21
technically it was angry. But yeah, it's angry, yeah.
00:56:25
Angry. He technically had his part
00:56:27
though, because he did come to the bus with the gun and he did
00:56:30
like probably he, Wally was, you know, going after the sheriff's
00:56:34
job about it because he was pissed, you know, and nobody had
00:56:37
arrested him and all that stuff too.
00:56:39
But but I, you know, I hope they all die a horrible death similar
00:56:45
to somebody else who died right after.
00:56:47
That was pretty amazing. Yeah, but this is he deserved
00:56:51
it. But I also want to say you got
00:56:52
to make sure your car works when you committed crime and don't
00:56:57
let someone drive off without you.
00:56:59
Be like, help me start the first time.
00:57:03
I would be like, I need some help.
00:57:05
We got to get out of here. I think she sabotaged.
00:57:07
She did, but I'm just saying I'm just making a joke.
00:57:10
You need to make sure your car work.
00:57:11
When you yeah, make sure it work.
00:57:16
Because let me tell you when, when when they get ready to
00:57:19
leave. And again, like you said, his
00:57:22
car's not starting. You got one other car that sit
00:57:24
next to you. That car didn't hear your car
00:57:27
not turning over. They were like, yeah, you know
00:57:28
what, We going to go ahead and leave.
00:57:31
So of course, this person is Mr. Kirsch, Mr. Kirsch the butcher
00:57:38
getting butchered. So while he's sitting there
00:57:40
trying to trying to get his car fixed, you see Periwinkle or his
00:57:47
wife walking through the woods and she turns and she looks at
00:57:52
him and she was like, Stanley, what are you doing here?
00:57:56
What what what was this you got on?
00:57:59
She was like, this is my true self.
00:58:02
I was like, oh, your ass about to die.
00:58:04
You really about to die a true self.
00:58:08
He was like what are you talking about?
00:58:10
This, this is me. Did he tell her?
00:58:18
He says 0. You get that makeup off in the.
00:58:22
Black and blue is what you're going to be if you go back to
00:58:25
the house and take that, take that shit off.
00:58:28
And you know, he's being mean. And I'm like literally
00:58:30
threatening her. And then all of a sudden her
00:58:32
face changes. I said, oh, Pennywise is behind.
00:58:37
So she's like hello Papa and Particle Eyes is behind with a
00:58:41
big ass axe, right? I didn't.
00:58:45
Know that was that was like a meat.
00:58:46
Cleaver, yeah. Cleaver, yeah.
00:58:49
I mean, it was he. Stole his meat cleaver to kill
00:58:52
him with but but. Where did you get the meat
00:58:54
cleaver from? From Did did Sam Stanley have it
00:58:57
in his car? That's all I was thinking.
00:59:00
It was probably in his car. He takes that meat cleaver
00:59:05
across Stanley's face and literally splits his face in
00:59:08
half. Then he takes the head and he
00:59:11
starts eating it right in front of Ingrid.
00:59:14
Like a popcorn bucket. Well, it ain't like she ain't
00:59:17
never seen him eat before, so. Well, no, because remember, she
00:59:21
only heard it. She didn't see him eat Mabel.
00:59:24
She also opened the door. She had to see something.
00:59:30
Might as well like the parks. But she didn't see him.
00:59:32
Like actually chewing. Yeah, that, that's a whole
00:59:36
different thing. And bone.
00:59:37
And. She's like, I knew you would
00:59:40
come back. We just knew.
00:59:42
I just I just had to set this in motion.
00:59:45
I'm sorry, I I couldn't focus because he's snacking on the
00:59:48
head. Like, come on, come on, I'm
00:59:53
like, Dina said. You want your daddy to be doing
00:59:56
that? Oh.
00:59:59
And then like he enjoying it, not like Oh my God, I got to.
01:00:02
Keep this to feel better. He was like he was like show me
01:00:05
the bow. So he's literally doing the
01:00:07
stuff that he that that Bob did with her.
01:00:11
Show me the bow. Oh my God, that's my good girl.
01:00:14
I was like, bitch, if you don't, run because.
01:00:18
He probably like, well damn, let me entertain this, all right,
01:00:21
show me the bow show. Me.
01:00:24
The. Bow.
01:00:26
The hugs such a. Good girl.
01:00:28
Yeah, the hug and he 00 And honey, she went a thin line
01:00:33
between love and hate when he said, well, I'm going to sleep
01:00:36
now. She was like, and she gripped
01:00:38
that. She gripped.
01:00:41
She gripped him. He was like, excuse me, what you
01:00:44
doing? What you doing?
01:00:46
I'm. Going to sleep.
01:00:47
And she was. Like I have left your ass alone.
01:00:50
I have not eaten you. I have not done anything to you.
01:00:52
I pretend to be your Papa. Don't touch me.
01:00:56
But she has abandonment issue. She was like, don't abandon me,
01:00:59
don't abandon me. He said the head started
01:01:03
turning. I said it's a rap first.
01:01:04
Of all he was. He was like, OK, I'm really
01:01:06
tempted to bite the shit out of her, but you know, I'm gonna
01:01:10
hold this together. I thought he was.
01:01:12
Going to eat her. Yeah, 'cause he was like about
01:01:15
the drool and stuff like, right, this is good.
01:01:18
But then. When she grabs him and he starts
01:01:20
turning around. Oh, now you want to notice this
01:01:22
ain't your daddy. Yeah, it's not like this is the
01:01:25
first time you've seen the glowing eyes.
01:01:27
He literally just showed you the glowing eyes while he was eating
01:01:31
your husband's brains. Well.
01:01:33
You know I'm gonna leave it alone.
01:01:34
I had another thought. What's your thought?
01:01:38
Too early? Well, maybe he wasn't looking
01:01:43
like he was about to bite her. Maybe he was like, this is
01:01:47
exciting. She's looking at him like, oh,
01:01:50
this ain't like, yeah, I think I'm going to sleep now.
01:02:00
And she's like, going to sleep. And now she wants to go, Oh,
01:02:04
you're not him. You're not him.
01:02:06
You're right, 'cause she saw she saw someone else looking at her
01:02:09
and. He's like I'm Pennywise.
01:02:12
You're daddy. I'm your dancing daddy.
01:02:15
Not that daddy though. Not.
01:02:17
That daddy. And then she What have you done
01:02:21
with him? He was like, oh, I ate him.
01:02:25
He's still inside, but I've. Been eating people.
01:02:28
Like what part of this relationship did I not tell you
01:02:31
that I was eat people? And I tell you I showed it to
01:02:34
you too. You've heard it, you saw it, you
01:02:37
smelled it. What else is there to do about
01:02:40
this? And then how she didn't pick
01:02:42
piece it together when she sees her dad as this clown that's
01:02:45
eating people. She didn't piece together that
01:02:48
they brought you a handkerchief with his blood, saying he got
01:02:51
mauled by wolves. I don't think she was thinking
01:02:55
about that at this point. I think at this point, her mind
01:02:58
was probably finally cracking when when she came to this
01:03:01
realization, like, oh, you really are not my dad.
01:03:03
He was like, oh, no, your dad is here.
01:03:05
He's in. Me and you are 60 something,
01:03:08
right? And your daddy's over 100 so.
01:03:11
You remember we were having the conversation and I was like, I
01:03:14
wonder if he, I said something about maybe there's a part of
01:03:18
Bob that's still in him. Because I was thinking about
01:03:22
like, there's a movie called Warm Bodies.
01:03:26
It's a zombie movie. And basically with that movie,
01:03:29
what they do, what those zombies do is when they eat the brains
01:03:33
of their victims, they get the memories of of that person.
01:03:38
So that's what I was thinking of with this, like, OK, if he's
01:03:42
eating their brains because what he said something about even
01:03:45
Phil's brains too, right when he was mad.
01:03:48
So I was like, maybe if he did eat Bob's brains, he does know
01:03:53
about Ingrid and that's why he was able to kind of connect the
01:03:56
dots. And he was like, oh, OK, I might
01:03:58
can use this. Not necessarily because of what
01:04:00
he was saying in Ingrid's mind, but probably what he saw when he
01:04:04
ate Bob. That's what.
01:04:06
I'm sure when we when he ate Bob, when he the thing, the
01:04:13
thing I think about it is it has so much psychic ability that
01:04:18
every person because it kind of feeds off of that too, that
01:04:22
energy as well that it it takes all the person's memories
01:04:28
anyway. It didn't have to eat you for
01:04:30
the memories. It's already been in Dick's
01:04:32
head. It knows everything about Dick
01:04:34
and Eason now and it didn't have to eat Dick.
01:04:38
So when it it remember, is it alien like it doesn't really
01:04:44
understand humanity. We don't make any sense to it.
01:04:48
He just knows it. He knows how to get us, how to
01:04:51
eat us or lure us in. That's what it's figured out.
01:04:55
But when it tells her, Oh yeah, he's a part, it's lie.
01:05:00
It's a part of me. There's a piece of him reaching
01:05:03
out to you right now because. That's what she want to hear.
01:05:05
Because that's what she wants to hear.
01:05:08
He's been helping him so. Where people, where people want
01:05:13
and it can use what people want to reel their man.
01:05:16
Yeah. So he knew that's what it it
01:05:19
knew that's what she wanted to hear.
01:05:20
So that's what it was doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:05:22
He's here. Come closer.
01:05:23
Come closer. And then when, you know, she got
01:05:27
all crazy, he's like, well, fake it.
01:05:28
Dead lights. Right.
01:05:32
I was like OK well she gone now for real.
01:05:37
Dead lights. Dead lights.
01:05:41
He didn't bite her, didn't crunch on her dead lights.
01:05:45
Yeah, that, yeah, that that was crazy.
01:05:48
Because we see her the next morning, they're Wheeling her
01:05:50
into the ambulance and she's whole.
01:05:54
She just ain't quite all there until she passes by the kids and
01:05:58
her eyes kind of go to them. I was like the fuck?
01:06:03
Fantastic. Oh, they're pulling Marge out
01:06:07
the box now, but Leroy and Charlotte finally appearing at
01:06:19
the Black Spot, which is so weird 'cause I was like,
01:06:21
Charlotte, weren't you going to the Black Spot spot yesterday to
01:06:25
help to, to go do what you needed to do?
01:06:29
Yeah, why are you overnight? Like your child has been gone
01:06:33
all night. Y'all just not once again.
01:06:39
And we look, it could have been Penny Wise, because Penny Wise
01:06:42
was having a smorgasbord and and here he wasn't thinking about.
01:06:46
He was like, oh whatever, I'm over here.
01:06:51
That poor baby. Yeah, it is weird that they, you
01:06:56
know, that means that so because I know she did tell him she was
01:07:00
helping, helping Hank. She was going to help him get
01:07:04
out of. Town then they must have heard
01:07:06
something about the black spot that morning that made them come
01:07:11
out there. But like, where's your child?
01:07:14
You don't. You ain't even questioning where
01:07:16
your kid was. Charlotte, probably Charlotte
01:07:20
probably knew where Will was because.
01:07:25
Oh, she dropped them off. You're right, she did.
01:07:27
But I'm just saying, like Blake, but she didn't come back for
01:07:30
her. That's what that's.
01:07:33
That's see that there's some there.
01:07:35
There is a lot of parents not paying attention to their kids
01:07:39
and potholes at the same time. But we going to ignore that
01:07:42
because we going to want to get to the technical side of things.
01:07:45
March probably shouldn't be alive either, but that's neither
01:07:47
here nor there. So let's move on.
01:07:49
Notice these parents look for the box.
01:07:52
I see a box, yeah, in the middle of 5-6 hundred degree
01:07:56
temperatures, but it. Was the no, the temperature is
01:07:59
so that was the cooler. OK, come on.
01:08:06
Come on. The the the heat is fine.
01:08:09
I get that with the refrigerator box, right.
01:08:12
He can't survive a nuclear bomb. However he can.
01:08:16
You never saw Indiana Jones I. Think.
01:08:19
However, no, it was wrong that he survived in it.
01:08:21
But the refrigerator will survive.
01:08:23
No, I didn't say a person in it, but the air like close off in
01:08:29
the box, she literally would have suffocated and that's.
01:08:32
What I was thinking. About OK.
01:08:34
But it had great filters. Check it out at Home Depot.
01:08:37
OK so I was binge. I've been binge watching Station
01:08:41
19 which is a show about firefighters and those people
01:08:47
lived abnormally long for being in the middle of a raging fire.
01:08:53
Fire, right? They should have been.
01:08:55
They should have died of smoking.
01:08:57
Inhalation. Like immediately almost.
01:08:59
Large should not be that, but again, like Michelle said, we're
01:09:01
not going to talk about the technicalities of this.
01:09:04
It's a show. And that, you know, the other
01:09:07
kids parents don't know where they are.
01:09:09
We're not going to talk about it, OK?
01:09:11
Rich's parents is going to be surprises.
01:09:13
We thought it was in bed. I mean, who knew?
01:09:16
Who knew? They don't never know, Richard,
01:09:19
but I feel like. I want to see Ronnie's
01:09:21
grandmother because with. The curfew with the curfew.
01:09:25
Yeah, I at this point, I know I make fun of her on the couch,
01:09:28
but she has to be clearly worried.
01:09:32
You think she did? You know what?
01:09:34
No one has paid attention to her.
01:09:36
No one has gone and check on her.
01:09:38
You know what, Hank, probably Charlotte probably called her
01:09:41
and was like, hey, we got Hank, he's safe.
01:09:44
You don't have to worry about it, you know, because everybody.
01:09:47
First, want to go outside and tell everybody.
01:09:49
Yes, she would be. I don't think she would.
01:09:53
She would tell she knows who's. Looking for her son.
01:09:55
I don't think she would. She would tell her close church
01:09:58
friend. And then that friend would tell
01:10:00
another friend over some chicken salad and some tea.
01:10:02
I don't know, come on now, because because here's the
01:10:05
thing, you hollering to everybody at the beginning, he's
01:10:10
innocent, he's innocent, he was here, blah, blah, blah, blah,
01:10:12
blah, blah blah. Once you realize they don't care
01:10:16
because he could have very well been there with her, they were
01:10:19
still going to come after him. I think after that she probably
01:10:21
was like, you know what? The neighborhood was fine.
01:10:27
Hold on, she changed her opinion when she found out he lied.
01:10:31
Yeah, she did. She was like, oh, he died,
01:10:35
right? Only him and God knows what he
01:10:38
was doing. Right.
01:10:40
So I don't. I wouldn't trust.
01:10:42
First of all, why? Why would why can't she tell her
01:10:45
close friend? Because they're not going to
01:10:47
tell where he is? Because.
01:10:48
She's like all black women. They all they do as.
01:10:51
Gossip, but each other. You're not going to go to the
01:10:54
police station and tell they're not going to find Nicole.
01:10:58
Everyone kept everyone secrets. I know that, but I'm just
01:11:01
saying. So she would tell someone and
01:11:03
someone and a couple people will know and no one will say where
01:11:07
he is because they wouldn't do that.
01:11:10
They go to know because we know what's going to happen.
01:11:12
Everybody knows what's going to happen.
01:11:14
Yeah, but I don't. Guys knew what was going to
01:11:16
happen. Just because it is, you know,
01:11:21
plausible deniability, right? Because she would tell people,
01:11:26
hey, he's safe. That's all you need to know.
01:11:29
I wouldn't even tell her that because she's going to tell
01:11:31
people. And that's just we.
01:11:33
We going to tell people. Yeah, all Grandmama need to know
01:11:38
is he escaped the hand. That something.
01:11:41
Yeah, but seriously, Dina may be right.
01:11:44
We don't even know she alive because no one has checked on
01:11:46
her for her groceries. Nothing.
01:11:48
Nope. With attitude, she could have
01:11:51
been it for all we know. She's not.
01:11:57
Should have been. But I, you know, I know we
01:12:01
already mentioned it, but I'm looking at it on the screen
01:12:04
again. Yeah.
01:12:05
This woman dropped her child off at the black spot.
01:12:08
It never came back until the next morning.
01:12:11
What did she think was going on at the black spot?
01:12:14
And. What was she doing?
01:12:16
Probably packing for that trip back to Shreveport.
01:12:19
She was already packed up, pretty much.
01:12:21
This suitcase was done. She could have drove back.
01:12:24
Home. I ain't mean to start us down
01:12:26
there, but. But was she talking to that RFKS
01:12:29
and the MLKS and the KFKS? Because who?
01:12:31
I mean, seriously, where the hell was she?
01:12:33
Right? This is a, this guy, even though
01:12:36
you know he's innocent, he's still a a, a a wanted man.
01:12:39
That alone was just dangerous. But then you left home with a
01:12:42
bunch of military men with guns. I guess she felt comfortable
01:12:45
because she's a military wife. But I'm sorry, I'm not leaving
01:12:48
my kids. And what basically amounts to
01:12:50
being the NCO club on base. Basically the bar.
01:12:55
What are you doing? He's drinking.
01:12:58
He's drinking Air Force Coke all.
01:13:00
Right. Freedom.
01:13:01
Coke. Right.
01:13:04
This tastes funny. But.
01:13:08
So yeah, it tells it. It apparently is about to go to
01:13:12
sleep. It's it's tired.
01:13:13
It's full. Tired.
01:13:14
It's full. The artery happened.
01:13:17
It's time since night. Night.
01:13:19
Night, night. So then in in this, we need to
01:13:22
move on to these goddamn military.
01:13:25
Yeah. Do we have to though?
01:13:27
Yes, because first of all, the the Sergeant or whoever who
01:13:35
calls handling over once he and Charlotte finally get there and
01:13:39
they're talking to will you call him over there?
01:13:42
Do you not realize his son was in this building?
01:13:46
This is where he needs to be. Whatever it is that y'all need
01:13:51
him for, that shit can wait. OK, I'm going.
01:13:56
We got the show. We got to move the show along.
01:13:59
We can't have him going on the sideline taking care of his kid.
01:14:03
Can we at least let him can you tell his dad that his friend
01:14:07
died? I.
01:14:07
Mean we don't have time for that.
01:14:10
We got 8 episodes. And then?
01:14:12
We have time for. That because he ready to oh,
01:14:15
we're going to get this mission done and then we're going to
01:14:18
leave. Get that submission.
01:14:20
It's all about protection to America.
01:14:23
Well, I think. At this.
01:14:25
Point It's all about America. I was saying, I was saying at
01:14:28
this point, because what they, what they call them over is to
01:14:31
deal with Halloran because of course Halloran is seeing all
01:14:35
the dead people now and they're trying to get, they're trying to
01:14:39
get handling to, to talk them down to, to figure out what's
01:14:43
going on. I think at this point, Helen,
01:14:48
yes, there is still the military aspect, but I think now he sees
01:14:53
just how serious this thing is. Cause your son almost died and
01:15:00
Dick just told you, yeah, that thing was here.
01:15:03
I think at that point Leroy was like, OK, you know what, we need
01:15:08
to get this shit, we need to get this done 'cause my son almost
01:15:13
died last night. Like that was the closest that
01:15:16
Will came to dying. And I think at this point when
01:15:20
he was like, yo, we need to help Dickie so he can he can figure
01:15:24
this thing out so we can do what what y'all said we were going to
01:15:28
do. We can we can, you know, shrink
01:15:30
the cage of this thing and be done with it.
01:15:34
So I think he really at that point shifted what his priority
01:15:41
was. But of course, he needs the
01:15:43
military in order to complete that part because the military
01:15:48
is the one who started all of this.
01:15:51
Dickie is the one who can locate this stuff.
01:15:53
And just like when he's having that conversation and he's
01:15:56
telling them he was like, yeah, so this thing might be asleep.
01:15:59
I don't feel them anymore. But if we still need to do what
01:16:03
we need to do, then we just need to go follow this chick right
01:16:06
here. She'll, she'll lead us to one of
01:16:08
the one of the the pillars, you know.
01:16:15
Again, Dick doing too damn much again, Sir.
01:16:19
Like, you see what's there happening?
01:16:22
You see all this stuff that's going down?
01:16:23
Stop helping them. At this point, Dick was like, if
01:16:28
it's something that's going to help quell all of this because,
01:16:31
I don't know, maybe he felt like once they were able to do what
01:16:35
they need to do the penny wise, instead of him trying to focus
01:16:38
on all this stuff. OK, penny wise is gone, he's
01:16:40
asleep. Maybe now I can focus enough to
01:16:43
put these things back in the box.
01:16:45
I think I think part of it is, is unless he helps them do what
01:16:51
they need to do, they won't ever let him leave.
01:16:55
Yeah, that too. And so I, I got to get him to
01:16:58
get this done, if I can get out of here, if I can put these this
01:17:03
stuff back in the box. Yeah.
01:17:05
But as long as they're still looking for the pillar, they're
01:17:08
not going to let him go anywhere.
01:17:10
No. He's going to be stuck.
01:17:12
There, Yeah. And especially now that you done
01:17:14
told them that all these dead people are following you around.
01:17:18
Hey, get some information out of them.
01:17:22
So I think really it is to the point where he's just like, OK,
01:17:25
you know what? Let me help them do what they
01:17:27
need to do. They can, they can put this
01:17:30
thing away or lock him away, do whatever.
01:17:33
I don't have to worry about him coming after me now.
01:17:36
I can focus on undoing the damage he did where I can.
01:17:40
Just get out of here. Well, I'm not, I'm saying the
01:17:43
damage that he did as far as to Dickie, like you, you open my
01:17:47
box up now, if I don't have to focus on you, actually, I can.
01:17:52
I can focus on on putting these things back in the box and I
01:17:56
don't have to deal with this no more, You know, so it's like
01:18:00
both Dick and Leroy were thinking, OK, you know what?
01:18:04
Kill two birds with one stone. Let's go ahead.
01:18:07
Do this thing. We'll have one problem.
01:18:10
Solve the Pennywise problem then I bet you Leroy probably was
01:18:16
going to retire and go start his farm.
01:18:17
Be like, you know what, y'all got him.
01:18:20
I'm I'm taking my family. I'm getting out of here.
01:18:22
Oh, I wasn't talking about, I wasn't about Leroy leaving.
01:18:25
I was talking about Dick. I'm talking about both of them
01:18:27
leaving. Yeah, I'm talking about.
01:18:32
He's been doing. But I'm talking about Leroy,
01:18:36
probably at this moment, he's thinking, OK, let me help them
01:18:40
finish doing what they need to do with this.
01:18:42
And then that way I, when my, when my family rolls out for
01:18:46
Shreveport, I can be in the car with them.
01:18:49
That's probably what his mindset is.
01:18:52
And then, of course, you have the added complication of Hank
01:18:55
being out there. You know, Charlotte is trying to
01:18:58
figure out, OK, So what are we going to do with him?
01:19:01
I'm I'm so sorry. Charlotte is a good one.
01:19:04
Because at this point, I would have been like, you know what,
01:19:06
Hank, you are on your own. I'm taking my son.
01:19:08
I'm getting the fuck. Out.
01:19:10
Let's talk about Charlotte real quick.
01:19:12
See, like we need to find out who did this.
01:19:15
Hank Leroy is like, then our job, why do we have to figure
01:19:20
out who did this? Why do you look?
01:19:23
Why do you have to? Why?
01:19:24
Why are you the one that has to go find these shards?
01:19:27
I mean I I get it. Well, that's that's, that's
01:19:30
actually his job. His job is not to figure out who
01:19:34
burned down the place. His job and his father is to
01:19:38
figure out who tried to kill his son.
01:19:40
No, at this point, their jobs is to get into that vehicle and got
01:19:45
to another state. It's too much.
01:19:47
It's too many things happening. It's, it's crazy people.
01:19:54
What did I say in the last episode?
01:19:56
AWOL. Because by the time they get up
01:19:59
enough whatever to go look for him, once they get away from
01:20:02
dairy, they might not even remember who he is because they
01:20:05
brought him there for the for for that whole thing.
01:20:08
And first of all, he pulled a knife.
01:20:10
He pulled a gun on them. I mean at this point.
01:20:12
Well, this is afterwards though. But at this moment, when they're
01:20:15
in the car talking about Hank, this is when they need to pull
01:20:18
off and and and get the hell. Out.
01:20:21
I agree with him. We ain't got to figure out who
01:20:24
did this. Let's let's worry about what we
01:20:26
can worry about and get the hell out of here.
01:20:29
I. Think the other thing too is he
01:20:31
probably knows who did this protect Will.
01:20:37
All the white, all the white men in dairy, I'm sorry, all the
01:20:41
white men in dairy, that's who did it.
01:20:42
Who ain't on the base? So at this point, again, let
01:20:47
them get in the car and have them drive to safety.
01:20:50
You have a bigger honestly, this is horrible, extremely horrible,
01:20:56
but there's a bigger fish. Oh.
01:21:00
Fish, we're just we just not forgetting about that part.
01:21:04
The fish that went to sleep swimming in the blood.
01:21:09
And y'all still over here again going home and you know, once
01:21:15
they melted, once they melted the shark because I'm just
01:21:23
saying bad parenting get get that?
01:21:26
So I can say again, bad parenting on both parents.
01:21:28
Yeah, everybody sucks. Everybody.
01:21:32
Sucks. We're just going to have, we're
01:21:33
just going to have a bad panting panel on all these people.
01:21:36
Oh absolutely, absolutely. But the news report the next
01:21:43
morning when I say I'm hot. Hot Venus Venus soapbox.
01:21:51
Here you go. Fish grease?
01:21:52
Just what? So now Mr. Kirsch is a hero.
01:21:57
He went to go help the Negroes who set themselves on fire with
01:22:01
their horrible Juke joint because they it was all their
01:22:04
fault and they it was illegal, by the way, that Juke joint that
01:22:08
they had that, you know. Yeah.
01:22:10
Oh, my God. Like, I was just like, just lay
01:22:12
it on thick, Sir. Lay it on thick.
01:22:15
Are you kidding me right now? And oh, and hate Grogan is dead
01:22:19
and blah blah blah blah blah. And I'm like, well, they.
01:22:21
Think hate Grogan is dead because Charlotte staged it, so
01:22:24
that's the good thing. No I know but I just think
01:22:28
they're also very dumb because I feel like unless there was still
01:22:31
some fire going on his like I guess his clothes maybe caught
01:22:34
some fire and they looked a little burnt.
01:22:36
But if somebody is dead, you see clothes and no body.
01:22:41
You just assumed that I guess you just assume all black people
01:22:43
look. They look alike in regular skin
01:22:45
charge. Skin don't matter, right?
01:22:47
She probably told. She probably told Leroy, since
01:22:51
you ain't got No Fear, I need you to take these clothes and go
01:22:54
put it on one of them dead bodies.
01:22:57
And that's what I'm, that's what I was wondering.
01:22:59
Like how did they assume it was him?
01:23:02
Because they all black. Don't you know how black folks
01:23:05
look alike? Well, that's what I'm saying.
01:23:07
It's like, I guess could be charred.
01:23:08
Don't change that, right? They're probably like, OK, well,
01:23:15
you know, and and they probably got statements from somebody
01:23:18
like, yeah, Hank Rogan was here. But they had a girl who is
01:23:23
laughing hysterically. OK, well, they probably asked.
01:23:27
They they might have asked, asked the kids like where your
01:23:30
daddy and Ronnie might have been like, oh daddy, I don't know,
01:23:33
you know who? Knows he did.
01:23:36
But you know, some of the other, there were some other survivors.
01:23:40
The other survivors probably told the police the truth.
01:23:43
But of course, the police aren't going to report that.
01:23:46
They probably said, oh, yeah, some, some folks in Mass came in
01:23:49
here looking for Hank Rogan and they burnt it down.
01:23:52
It's on. Fire.
01:23:52
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that story is not going to
01:23:55
be reported any no. But they probably took the one
01:23:58
thing oh, Hank Rogan was here. Oh, this is these are his.
01:24:01
Oh, oh, OK, we'll we'll at least put that part out.
01:24:05
They would believe that part easily enough.
01:24:08
They don't care how he's dead. Just the fact that, oh, guess
01:24:11
what? He's dead.
01:24:11
We don't have to keep looking for this fucker.
01:24:14
And it's it's a lot of cover ups too, because they said, oh,
01:24:17
people died helping, helping the illegal Negro Juke joint.
01:24:21
And so all the people that got shot on their end of things, I
01:24:24
guess they didn't let them have autopsies and they covered up
01:24:27
the bodies so the people wouldn't know that they were
01:24:30
just out there getting shot in the woods.
01:24:33
Like, come on, man, it's. Yeah, because I don't recall
01:24:38
seeing any of the white men who drove away picking up their dead
01:24:43
bodies because there were a couple of of them that got shot.
01:24:47
So what did y'all just leave them there?
01:24:51
Well, we saw the inside, so while someone was shooting at
01:24:54
the window, we don't know if the other ones pulled them out and
01:24:56
threw them in the the. Trunk.
01:24:59
Because it wasn't their bodies outside.
01:25:02
Found the bodies somewhere. Somebody had access to the
01:25:04
bodies because that was their excuse for why people were dead
01:25:07
who were white, because they, I mean, and cursed was the main
01:25:11
one because of course they had to make a big deal about cursed
01:25:14
specifically. Oh yeah.
01:25:15
But they said it was other people that came from town
01:25:18
people. Found them.
01:25:20
Came. To help and they died their
01:25:21
parents while they were helping, so they definitely killed a few.
01:25:24
And while they were helping, they were shooting the people at
01:25:26
the same time because, you know, there's well.
01:25:27
You know, the medical examiner was probably one of the guys in
01:25:30
the mail. I'm just saying I mean.
01:25:33
Because the sheriff was so why not, right?
01:25:36
Why not? Why not?
01:25:37
Medical examiner was probably like, Oh yeah, we we'll take
01:25:40
care of this. Yeah.
01:25:44
So yeah. So yeah, they take that, they
01:25:48
take the well. So yeah, they end up having Dick
01:25:52
show them where the the pillar is.
01:25:55
Pillar is. Oh, in the the Roses Council.
01:26:02
Oh yeah, we. Have the little auger is over.
01:26:06
Right we good for 27 years. I'll see y'all fuckers later.
01:26:11
That one dude he shit asses. I said Nope he didn't.
01:26:18
Are you going to even be? Alive 27 years from now, Sir.
01:26:23
He's like, I'm good though. But like, you notice how that
01:26:26
boy who who had an attitude at first, who was like, Oh my God,
01:26:30
can he just hurry up now, sees how messed up it is now that he
01:26:35
see how many people die, you know, his whole attitude
01:26:37
changed. Yep, 2023 people in the fire and
01:26:42
all together in this cycle 1717 children.
01:26:47
Yeah. That's a lot.
01:26:49
A lot. That's a lot, but so according
01:26:55
to them, the augury is over and also.
01:27:00
Hold on, I take issue with something, Rose said.
01:27:04
We do what we can see. What did she say we do?
01:27:10
We do as much as we can for as many as we can.
01:27:12
What you doing? Keeping him trapped.
01:27:16
Yeah, No, no, no, no, that's that's not what it feels like.
01:27:20
She's saying. Focus on the lives saved.
01:27:23
What lives did you say? The IT because she what she's
01:27:27
saying is the whole world is it could have been more, yeah.
01:27:31
No, no, no, it's the. Same.
01:27:32
OK, so you it could have been more you sound like people
01:27:36
online talking about oh, they should have told people they
01:27:38
should have did this them Indians should they did them
01:27:40
naters should have did. Well the the lives they saved
01:27:43
was 2 lives they saved they kids lives.
01:27:49
I didn't see what was online. I'm not.
01:27:51
Saying but it's true though, because they didn't help save
01:27:54
the lives of the kids in dairy, but they helped save the world.
01:27:59
But they know that he got to have a certain amount of food
01:28:02
before he go back. You see that ain't right.
01:28:03
Either. That ain't right.
01:28:05
Well, it ain't right. It's not, but the world versus 1
01:28:08
little. Type and but they kids are safe
01:28:11
all the time like. It is.
01:28:12
They're safe. They tried to tell the
01:28:14
colonizers it's the colonizers fault, right?
01:28:18
But. I mean.
01:28:20
This is something that we have discussed before our other
01:28:23
shows. Think about The Last of Us and
01:28:25
Joel's decision. You saved the one person when
01:28:29
you could have saved almost all of humanity.
01:28:32
You made your try. OK, you know what?
01:28:34
I'm going to make the decision to save this.
01:28:36
This is the same thing they're doing.
01:28:38
They're like, look, we can't save everybody, but at least the
01:28:43
majority of the town is OK because if they didn't have
01:28:45
those pillars there dairy would just be a playground for him,
01:28:49
period. Speaking of the pillars.
01:28:51
Or just anywhere would be a playground, not even just dairy
01:28:53
because he would be able to go we.
01:28:54
Would be able to go anywhere. So like I said, the last episode
01:28:59
it it calls itself the Eater of Worlds.
01:29:02
Eater of Worlds. Exactly, Exactly, Sir.
01:29:05
See your own words coming back to bite you in the butt.
01:29:08
Because if they wasn't, if so, if the colonizers hadn't decided
01:29:12
to build a whole town where they told them not to go, there
01:29:15
wouldn't be a dairy for him to eat.
01:29:17
And he might have just would have died eventually because he
01:29:19
would have just been surviving off of random people who just
01:29:22
walked in the woods every now and again, right?
01:29:25
So they did the best they could with what they had.
01:29:29
Speaking of the pillars, Dick LED them to one of the pillars
01:29:34
and he dig it up and he was inside the turtle shell.
01:29:38
He was in the turtle shells. But the crazy thing was.
01:29:44
So they get the pillar, they put it on the truck.
01:29:48
Leroy is about to get on the truck and they tell him stand
01:29:50
down. Oh no, you ain't going with
01:29:52
this. He was like, but we got to take
01:29:55
this back to base so we can do such, such.
01:29:57
He was like, no, we, we got this.
01:29:59
I was like, oh, they've been to do something they're not
01:30:02
supposed to do. Yeah, they were supposed to move
01:30:04
in closer to town and he's like, Oh no, we taking it back to the
01:30:10
base. We're going to see if there are
01:30:13
any properties that will help us to, I said.
01:30:18
If that ain't a bunch of bullshit bullshit.
01:30:25
And I think at this point Leroy figured out that made right with
01:30:30
this right, Because we see as soon as they get it to the base,
01:30:34
they have an incinerator and they're about to put it in the
01:30:38
incinerator. Now I'm sitting here like my
01:30:41
mind went to the obvious place, but I was like, they can't be
01:30:44
about to destroy it. They must be testing its
01:30:47
properties to see how in destruct.
01:30:50
This is what I'm thinking. I'm like, oh, they want to see
01:30:53
how indestructible this is because, you know, it did come
01:30:56
from outer space. It didn't disintegrate when it
01:30:58
hit the Earth. Maybe they just want to see how
01:31:00
strong it is. When Leroy came in with that
01:31:02
gun, I said, oh, they really were about to do the stupid
01:31:05
thing. I was like, because now you've
01:31:09
taken it from where it was. So you basically, you took one
01:31:13
of the bars out of the prison enough for him to squeeze
01:31:16
through. And we see that because as soon
01:31:19
as I pulled off with it, you see the camera goes into the sewer,
01:31:23
Pennywise asleep, and all of a sudden his eyes are up and he's
01:31:28
just looking out like, wait, something's different.
01:31:31
Something different, something different.
01:31:35
That is the most stupidest thing you could ever do.
01:31:39
Like literally you should just took it.
01:31:41
Even if you took it out of state which he could have done the
01:31:44
same thing. You can keep it for when you
01:31:46
need to cage him. You don't destroy it.
01:31:51
That's why I'm done. Yeah, but you remember what the
01:31:55
general said They wanted to make sure he got out.
01:31:59
Right, Yeah, but then there's going to be a point in years
01:32:02
then maybe we got to put it back.
01:32:04
So let's just keep let's keep it hold of it somewhere about what
01:32:08
the let's talk about what the general said.
01:32:11
Because when I say this fucker pissed me.
01:32:15
Off. Yeah.
01:32:18
Because his whole excuse for all of this is 0 this is how we're
01:32:26
going to end war. We're going to make everybody
01:32:29
scared. And once everybody is scared,
01:32:34
they're going to fall into place and they're going to do with
01:32:36
what they're supposed to do. Once, once we, I guess, weed out
01:32:41
people like, oh, we're just going to we don't let the
01:32:43
creature go in and do what he does and scare enough people so
01:32:46
that, excuse me, do do you know what you're talking about doing?
01:32:52
Yeah. You are literally about to use
01:32:54
this as a weapon to control the entire world for so-called
01:32:59
peace. You don't get the fuck out of
01:33:02
here. Yeah.
01:33:06
This man pissed me off because and you're saying this while
01:33:13
Leroy has a gun to you? No.
01:33:16
And then he says the example. He said yeah, after what
01:33:19
happened last night. Look, today there's peace in the
01:33:22
streets. There's lies in the streets.
01:33:24
Lying ain't no peace. They're no peace people lying.
01:33:31
They're lying about what happened.
01:33:32
There's the peace in the streets.
01:33:34
That's the peace. And the peace is the black folks
01:33:39
are too scared to say anything because they just saw y'all are
01:33:44
willing to kill. And the white folks like what we
01:33:49
got to do. We we we got our justice.
01:33:52
We did what we wanted to do. So why would?
01:33:56
There be any? Lord let me tell you, that man
01:34:02
pissed me off so bad. So now let me get to the pants
01:34:05
now. So once they melted the shards,
01:34:09
OK, the Shard, whatever. This is when you call your wife
01:34:14
and say get in the get in the Oldsmobile.
01:34:18
Because. Because y'all are in the house.
01:34:20
In Dare. Oh, wait, right.
01:34:23
Like way back. To the house in Dare to put Hank
01:34:27
there because you're like, oh, ain't nobody going to look for
01:34:29
him there. Your Mama is still like no one
01:34:34
paying attention to him anyway, so you could have put in the
01:34:39
trunk and get out of there. You didn't call your wife to say
01:34:42
this is what happened. Our son could be in danger.
01:34:45
Nothing. And guess what?
01:34:47
He was the first one on the on his list because the.
01:34:51
First one with Hank and told we'll stay in the house.
01:34:56
The you you left him in the house in Derry just because.
01:35:02
OK. Yeah, that thing is asleep.
01:35:04
Don't you wake up when you go to sleep?
01:35:08
Just on principle alone, My child would have been with me.
01:35:15
Oh, I was like. But I, I just, I'm sorry, sad.
01:35:21
No, I just thought it was funny when Will answered the phone.
01:35:24
He was all big and bad. He.
01:35:27
Will. He was.
01:35:28
I'm not scared. I'm scared of you not.
01:35:31
Scared. Oh, really?
01:35:33
That camera work was great, though, because it was right
01:35:36
here. You were so angry in his face
01:35:39
and his emotion, and then it was like, yeah.
01:35:44
Like oh shit I'm sorry I am scared of you.
01:35:46
My bad, I thought you was on the phone on the other end.
01:35:49
But I guess we was kind of lucky because he got the dead lights.
01:35:53
He didn't get crunch crunch so. But you know what the most
01:35:58
horrifying thing about this? Also second part of this episode
01:36:03
is that Will was in a fire and then he dies in a fire.
01:36:07
Yeah, I thought about that. You survive a fire to then die
01:36:12
later of a fire. Well, he finally got him.
01:36:18
He finally got him. But yeah, no pinnable guy is now
01:36:21
walking around with, like he was in the blood, a literal
01:36:25
bloodbath. But he's walking around and that
01:36:29
this body is coming in blood. Right.
01:36:33
He he jumped out, he didn't even take take a chance to to get
01:36:37
himself together. Yeah.
01:36:39
Clean himself out. And then poor Lily.
01:36:43
Like Lily has no idea none of this is going on.
01:36:46
Like she hears the the reports on the news but she doesn't even
01:36:49
know about the black spot. So nothing has her thinking that
01:36:54
she should be worried for her friends or whatever.
01:36:57
Here she is sitting on her bed. She's still holding the precious
01:37:00
and Marge and Ronnie come in to tell her that Rich is dead.
01:37:05
And I just, I felt so bad for her because, you know, she's
01:37:10
going to feel guilt about that too.
01:37:12
Like, oh, Rich is another person that I kind of delivered to him,
01:37:18
you know, But man, that this whole thing is just like
01:37:27
Pennywise coming back, waking up because now he realized, oh, I
01:37:31
don't have, I don't have to do this cycle anymore.
01:37:34
I can just kind of roam how I want to.
01:37:37
And it's like. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not
01:37:39
ready for my sleep yet. I think I can like get another
01:37:43
like. Like, oh, I'm hungry again.
01:37:45
Yeah, I didn't get another meal in.
01:37:47
See, I think, I think one of the properties of the cage, it may
01:37:51
have been suppressing him and that's probably why he was
01:37:56
getting tired and having to go to sleep.
01:37:58
Like it's actively suppressing him, but now it's gone.
01:38:03
But but listen now you but I don't even think that I'm like
01:38:07
literally he hibernates. But if you about to take a nap
01:38:11
and then someone offers you like you about to take a nap and
01:38:14
someone offers you Anthony, we got tickets five last minute.
01:38:19
We know it's 10 minutes before the game.
01:38:20
Do you want to go to the Georgia Alabama game and Georgia will
01:38:23
win at the end. What you going to do?
01:38:25
I'm OK, I'm going to go back to sleep or you'll get your ass up
01:38:29
and say, hey, I can rest after I'm done.
01:38:33
Well. He's.
01:38:36
Not going to answer that. OK, He really thought I was.
01:38:39
I thought that. Was a rhetorical question.
01:38:41
Because, you know, you'll get up.
01:38:42
So yeah, he was like, oh, something is different.
01:38:50
I feel like a snack, right? Like I'm gonna get one little
01:38:55
blast dessert in here before I go to sleep.
01:38:58
Because this is going to be good right here.
01:38:59
It's going to be real good. And he just has to come back.
01:39:05
He comes after Will because one Will is by himself because all
01:39:09
the girls are together now. You know, they go to tell Lily
01:39:14
and then they go to the tower to clear riches.
01:39:17
When I say they got me with this episode.
01:39:27
And then when she sees his little his little airplane and
01:39:31
she's like, he never did get it down the Main Street.
01:39:34
I was like, you know what, I'm cutting this shit off.
01:39:36
I can't. I just, I just, they got me with
01:39:45
this episode. Yeah.
01:39:48
Oh, goodness. And all I have to say is I like
01:39:51
people's comments of the Losers Club.
01:39:55
Got it easy. They got it easy.
01:40:00
You're pink Film. Yeah, he was just older.
01:40:04
Yeah, You know, you know, you have your Goodyear, you got your
01:40:06
good years and your bad years. That was kind of like a bad year
01:40:09
for him. Like he wasn't, he wasn't on top
01:40:11
of his game like he is right now.
01:40:13
Look, that's the second cycle twice that he has been
01:40:15
challenged by these kids. He was probably like, you know
01:40:17
what, fuck these kids. But he didn't he energy, we
01:40:22
didn't he he's like the first time round they got off like
01:40:26
extremely easy. Yeah, they did.
01:40:33
You talk about the Losers Club with these kids.
01:40:34
The Losers Club. I think he was just taking his
01:40:39
time for them. He he was old.
01:40:43
He's already he's millions of years old, but what what what is
01:40:47
what is 30 years to to it? It's not, but this is towards
01:40:51
the time where you. Like.
01:40:54
This this year he was entering his senior citizen phase, right?
01:40:59
The arthritis is getting in. It's a million years old.
01:41:03
That's right. He, he is very creative, right?
01:41:06
But he is very creative. Well, he's learned a few things
01:41:09
thanks to these kids. No, no, no these.
01:41:11
Kids made it worse for the losers.
01:41:13
No, they didn't. It is worse now.
01:41:15
That's what we're saying. It's worse for these kids and
01:41:18
adults than it is for the Losers Club.
01:41:21
They had it easy. OK.
01:41:24
This it now is psychopath OK for them, they do well Hanukkah they
01:41:31
he did the crazy run and say you know, you know, hey, you're
01:41:37
scared. OK, I'm good here.
01:41:41
Yeah. He calls it main event and
01:41:44
stuff. Well, I thought you I think one
01:41:47
of y'all was saying. This demon baby coming out of
01:41:49
the body and. The I'll say this, the
01:41:51
difference with the Losers Club is that they're all kind of
01:41:54
strong and they were strong enough to get away.
01:41:58
I don't these kids is weak right here.
01:42:00
Look at poor Lily. I don't I don't I don't know.
01:42:06
I think rich, Rich. Is probably not a license.
01:42:08
I think I don't. You know what I mean.
01:42:10
I don't because I think rich. It was more like the losers of
01:42:14
the club. Kids, probably.
01:42:16
Switch it I say the loser club kids were easy that's why he
01:42:20
ain't had to do much. Like it wasn't even worth but I
01:42:23
can literally just say a zombie that has bed bugs.
01:42:27
Yeah, but they scare you. But they got out of dairy.
01:42:30
Yeah. Well, they, they, and you know
01:42:35
what? He should have had the same
01:42:37
energy. Like we'd be talking about
01:42:38
energy. He should have had the same
01:42:39
energy now that he should have had with the Losers Club that
01:42:43
he. Wouldn't have that issue.
01:42:44
Kids in this, I think the kids in this year, it's not that they
01:42:50
were easy or that they were weak.
01:42:52
They didn't have at this point, those kids didn't have the
01:42:58
trauma they didn't have. They didn't have a reason to be
01:43:03
strong. They they were able to just be
01:43:05
kids. You know what I'm saying?
01:43:07
When, when you get older, when, when we get older into the 80s,
01:43:12
these kids are seeing a little bit more, they're experienced a
01:43:16
little bit more. Their parents are the ones who
01:43:18
went through Vietnam. They've they've at this point
01:43:21
really come out on the other side of the civil rights
01:43:24
movement. You have there in the 80s, you
01:43:27
have the AIDS epidemic. You have all of this stuff that
01:43:31
these kids are having to look at and learn about, and I think
01:43:35
that probably just made them a little more resilient than these
01:43:39
kids in 62 are. And that's the opposite.
01:43:42
I think these kids are more resilient because they do have
01:43:46
not the same, but they still have the generational trauma,
01:43:51
but they just had to deal with it.
01:43:53
Even though the kids and the aids have to deal with it.
01:43:55
But he had to, he really like mess with their minds now.
01:44:00
Then he really didn't. He took the most simplest fear
01:44:03
that they had, and they were goners.
01:44:06
Hey, this sounds like a good panel that we could have.
01:44:10
Maybe like he and the thing about it, like here, he's he's
01:44:14
hitting everyone, he's hitting adults, he's hitting kids all at
01:44:18
the same time and causing a major event with the losers
01:44:22
club. He was like just the kids and
01:44:27
and maybe, and that's probably that was his downfall.
01:44:30
He underestimated them. He was like, I just really, I
01:44:33
have to show they have some blood coming out of the sink and
01:44:36
we good. You see what I'm saying?
01:44:38
We good with her. That was one, we not one that
01:44:41
one just torture him with his brother's cries because I killed
01:44:44
his brother because he wasn't there to play.
01:44:47
He wasn't there to play these friends.
01:44:51
He's getting ghosts. You see what I'm saying?
01:44:55
He's doing a lot more. He's literally he grabbed
01:45:00
somebody fishing. All I was doing was fly fishing.
01:45:07
Think about it. Yeah.
01:45:11
Then he got one woman saying Daddy, Daddy, Papa, feed me some
01:45:15
children. I mean, he got a lot.
01:45:17
He got a lot going on, and he has a lot.
01:45:22
The Losers Club. He's like, hey.
01:45:25
Yeah, but now, I mean, he's woken up.
01:45:29
So at this point, what is he going to do?
01:45:34
Are you about to do something bigger than the Augury?
01:45:37
Like, are you about to create a bigger bloodbath again?
01:45:41
We know we'll survive. So we know he's not going to
01:45:46
die. He he got the whole dead lights
01:45:48
thing. And of course, I, I think at
01:45:50
this point, the friends are probably going to go rescue him
01:45:53
because right now it's just the girls because Rich is gone.
01:45:59
And if anything, now Ronnie really has a OK, so this is what
01:46:03
happened when all of us didn't stick together.
01:46:06
You see what happened? And now Rich is gone.
01:46:08
Now Will is gone. I think if anything, this is
01:46:12
going to motivate Ronnie to be like, OK, you know what?
01:46:14
We need to put that fucker back in his box.
01:46:17
We need to kill him. Hey, Lily, you still got that,
01:46:20
That precious. Oh, OK, let's do this.
01:46:23
Because I think at this point now, they've all lost too much.
01:46:29
And then you lost the heart of the group.
01:46:33
Rich definitely was the heart of the group.
01:46:37
He was the one that made the most sense.
01:46:39
He was the one that basically was telling them, yo, can we
01:46:42
stop fighting? This is what this thing wants.
01:46:44
He wants to split us up. He wants to pull us apart.
01:46:48
And you see exactly what happened when he pulled them
01:46:50
apart. See y'all should have just got
01:46:55
the Shard, went into the sewers, killed his ass.
01:46:57
The black spot would have been fine but Ronnie was so intent on
01:47:04
protecting her father. Not everybody dead.
01:47:07
Correct. Not blame on her, but.
01:47:12
No, no, it was the daddy's fault.
01:47:13
He should have stayed in the bank.
01:47:15
Must be completely honest. Yeah, because he put them in a
01:47:20
terrible situation. You didn't just put the other
01:47:23
people in in danger, you put your child in danger.
01:47:27
Oh, you know what we've forgot to to say to He was in a
01:47:32
bloodbath. I did.
01:47:33
You did. No, no, no, no.
01:47:35
He was in a bloodbath full of because right there, intestines,
01:47:39
arm parts. He's in the bodies.
01:47:41
He's always, he's always. I know, I'm just saying I would
01:47:45
prefer just a bloodbath. We just didn't emphasize all the
01:47:50
that was. A brown.
01:47:51
He's always in in the midst of body parts.
01:47:55
So it's like, Oh my. God and other things, yeah,
01:47:59
yeah. So now is.
01:48:02
It me or in this? This last scene must have been
01:48:05
filmed later because Will looks kind of taller.
01:48:09
It is. He looks, he looks much older at
01:48:13
this scene. Could be or or it could be the
01:48:16
the the way the Cam camera is because again you got penny wise
01:48:19
up on the fridge. Maybe the angle of the camera is
01:48:23
different or something. He looks.
01:48:25
Bigger. No they say it and this could be
01:48:27
false. I read something that there is a
01:48:30
gap from when they had to take a break so the kids do look
01:48:33
bigger. Oh OK.
01:48:34
And they got taller. Yeah, he looks.
01:48:38
He looks taller. It's because I'm.
01:48:41
I'm around these munchkins all the time.
01:48:43
I I I know this. When these changes happen, yeah.
01:48:48
But here's my thing, Penny wise you in this bloodbath with all
01:48:51
these body parts and stuff, how is your wig still laid?
01:48:57
He knew better from Bob because Bob hair was all over the place.
01:49:03
Right, but OK. Yeah, it was delayed in 2023.
01:49:10
Oh, OK. Oh, right is right of strike.
01:49:15
That's what it said. It said Why do kids look older
01:49:17
in episode 5 was because of the delay in 2023.
01:49:22
OK. And that probably that was the
01:49:24
right of strike then wasn't. It Yep, it was.
01:49:26
OK, OK, so I think the only. People, that was in last.
01:49:31
Week that happened in this episode was of course, like we
01:49:34
said, Charlotte there in the house in Derry.
01:49:38
She takes Hank because she's still trying to get him over the
01:49:41
border. She goes to see Rose.
01:49:45
Now, I don't know. I think I'm I'm at the point
01:49:51
where I understand Charlotte has good intentions and I
01:49:57
understand, you know, that this man is innocent, but everybody
01:50:04
that you have put in this man's vicinity to help him has ended
01:50:09
up dead at this point. You don't need to bring nobody
01:50:16
else into this. Now, granted, Rose is more
01:50:20
prepared than other people, but I don't think Charlotte knows
01:50:23
that. I don't think Charlotte, like I
01:50:26
know Rose gave her kind of like a veiled warning about what was
01:50:32
going on in Derry. But still, at this point, Hank
01:50:39
Grogan needs to be the least of your concerns.
01:50:45
Find somebody else to help him and, and, and let that go.
01:50:47
You need to get your son out of town, or at the very least, you
01:50:51
need to get him the hell out that house.
01:50:54
You should have taken them with you If you want to sit here and
01:50:57
pass off Hank in your in your husband's clothes as your
01:51:01
husband take the sign with you. It's not like you're going to be
01:51:05
saying anything to Rose that will can't hear.
01:51:08
We'll just live through a whole fire bombing.
01:51:11
He he just watched his friend die.
01:51:16
He just saying ghost of the other dead kids.
01:51:18
He doesn't seem bodies of the other dead kids, Ken and almost
01:51:22
got shot by his own daddy, seen his daddy shoot his best.
01:51:26
Believe me, Will can handle whatever you got to tell Rose
01:51:28
about getting Hank Grogan across the Canadian border.
01:51:35
And then in the midst of all of this, Tango is spying.
01:51:39
He sees that they've dug up the shark.
01:51:42
He comes running into Rose's house.
01:51:44
Until we got a problem. I think a problem is an
01:51:49
understatement. And.
01:51:52
Unfortunately, Charlotte is about to find that out.
01:51:55
But here's the other thing. Will is at the house by himself.
01:51:59
He opens the refrigerator door to grab sodas.
01:52:02
Why y'all have to have that jar of eggs sitting over there
01:52:04
looking like the jar of Pickles? Did y'all really have to do
01:52:10
that? Because at this point I was
01:52:13
expecting something else I wasn't expecting.
01:52:15
Oh no, excuse me, There is a jar of baby dill Pickles right next
01:52:19
to the jar of eggs. Yeah, I thought one of the ace
01:52:24
was going to roll over and be AI or something, right?
01:52:28
That's awesome. Right.
01:52:31
But when that telephone starts ringing, Will goes to answer it
01:52:35
and it sounds like Ronnie. Now, the thing that made me
01:52:39
suspicious was when he picked up the phone and she said, hey,
01:52:44
Will, it's Ron. I don't think I've ever heard
01:52:47
her refer to herself as Ron in any of these seven episodes.
01:52:52
And neither his he and he just goes with it.
01:52:55
Ron, I'm sorry, my mom won't let me out.
01:52:58
I said something ain't right about this.
01:53:01
When did she ever call herself Ron?
01:53:04
It's Veronica or Ronnie. And the fact that he knew what
01:53:15
they were doing because he's telling her, hey, it's OK.
01:53:18
We went over to the standpipe to to clear Rich's stuff.
01:53:22
How do? How do you how do you know this?
01:53:26
It's in everybody's head. I know.
01:53:29
I think, and I think that I think if you think about it, I
01:53:34
think that's when Dick says he could always feel it.
01:53:38
I wonder if that's what it is. Is it everybody's head?
01:53:44
And it's just that Dick is sensitive to it so he can feel
01:53:48
it in his head. Yeah.
01:53:50
It's like Michelle was saying, it's got just feelers out
01:53:53
everywhere. He's extremely strong.
01:53:55
This guy just feelers out and so he knows what everyone's doing.
01:53:59
Right, right. But when he starts, when he
01:54:04
starts telling Will, he was like, you know, I as Ronnie,
01:54:07
he's like, I can't believe he's gone.
01:54:10
I can't believe he died like that.
01:54:12
You know, I can't. You know how he must have
01:54:15
suffocated, his lungs bursting like popcorn.
01:54:18
I was like even Will is looking like the fuck and then you hear
01:54:29
Penny Wise's voice talking about Oh yeah it was making my mouth
01:54:34
water smelling his stinky little body and black.
01:54:38
I was like Will. I was like, why are you still on
01:54:41
the phone? Why are you still on the?
01:54:43
Phone, right? But again, like you said, he
01:54:46
probably thought, oh, he's somewhere else.
01:54:48
But dude, you are back in Derry. You are back in Derry.
01:54:52
You are in his Playhouse. But he, you know, I don't know,
01:54:59
maybe he didn't think the threat was that big because again,
01:55:02
according to your dad, according to Dick Halloran, any wise
01:55:08
asleep? Supposed to be it would be.
01:55:12
It would be right. Yeah.
01:55:13
Maybe Will was just like, OK, it's just in my head now.
01:55:19
Maybe this ain't even real. He's.
01:55:21
A kid, I, I don't think he was making any.
01:55:25
I don't think he was thinking anything about that thought.
01:55:27
He just reacted to what was happening.
01:55:30
I'm not scared of you, OK? Yeah, and then he turned around,
01:55:39
'cause he's like, I'm not scared of you, I'm done being scared,
01:55:42
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, I can't hear you.
01:55:45
He turned around like hold up, Dick came from behind me and
01:55:50
there's pen wise. Dead lights.
01:55:53
Dead lights. I was like, you know, it's going
01:56:00
to be up to the girls to save them now.
01:56:02
The girls are going to have to be the heroes, but oh, this this
01:56:10
episode I I've been seeing a lot of people talking about this was
01:56:14
the best episode of the series so far and I do agree.
01:56:21
I think I I wouldn't say it was the best.
01:56:24
It was the toughest, definitely. So far.
01:56:30
I don't know. I wait.
01:56:31
Wait until I say Episode 8 then I'll make a decision.
01:56:36
This was definitely the hardest. Yeah, it was a lot though, too.
01:56:41
It was a lot. They put a lot in this episode,
01:56:46
and you don't think it is a lot, but it was a lot to take in the
01:56:51
Bob situation because then you'd be like, well, how you feel bad?
01:56:54
Like Bob lost his wife, He got his daughter then then you took
01:56:59
the father from the daughter. I mean, yeah, he was drinking.
01:57:02
He wasn't going to help a kid, but he liked to entertain the
01:57:05
children. He just needed to take a break
01:57:07
during his break time. And I think everyone deserves a
01:57:09
break into some wine. But then however you had that,
01:57:14
then the black spot, and that's a whole situation they reach.
01:57:18
That's a whole situation. Then they get the Shard melts it
01:57:22
and you know what's about to happen.
01:57:23
That's a whole different situation.
01:57:25
And then you got to win with the deadline.
01:57:27
That's a whole nother situation all in one episode.
01:57:29
It was alive, but that. General, you know, I really want
01:57:37
Rose to come and whoop his ass and I hope we have a
01:57:42
confrontation. She's going to be like I told
01:57:44
you. I told you what would happen if
01:57:46
you went and messed with this thing because, you know, she
01:57:51
going, she probably heard the news reports.
01:57:53
It was like, Yep, I know what happened.
01:58:00
I mean, they talked about it at the augury.
01:58:02
I mean, at the meeting when they discussed our Oh yeah, 23 dead.
01:58:10
But yeah, I'm, I'm not going to get over this episode for a
01:58:15
while. And like I said, give that child
01:58:19
all the awards because he knocked it out of the park.
01:58:25
We did. We did.
01:58:29
So now we have one more episode for the season.
01:58:33
Anyways is back. Will is in the dead lights.
01:58:40
I don't know what's about to happen.
01:58:42
Obviously he's going to go to sleep for 27 years, but what
01:58:46
kind? Yeah, we know that.
01:58:46
Part, but what kind of damage is he about to do before?
01:58:49
That we don't know. Yeah.
01:58:52
And we just. Know because because y'all,
01:58:55
y'all melted one of the shards so.
01:58:59
How are you? Well, they have a replacement.
01:59:00
They do, and that's what my theory.
01:59:02
Lily walking around with the replacement.
01:59:04
That's what. Yup.
01:59:05
True. But they end up getting that one
01:59:08
and burying that one. Yeah.
01:59:13
That would make sense. Or they could do a massive
01:59:18
search for the rest of the ship with the rest of the thing that
01:59:24
it was in. The comet or whatever, yeah, but
01:59:28
wouldn't that be wouldn't that be in his area like or
01:59:34
connected? Well, no, because that was out
01:59:36
in the middle of the field, so. Yeah.
01:59:41
I guess we'll see, but you guys have any final thoughts about
01:59:48
this episode? Nope.
01:59:51
Nope. That's it.
01:59:53
I think rest in peace will. I mean, yeah, rest in peace,
01:59:57
Rich. And if we know better, rest in
02:00:00
peace will. But we know better.
02:00:02
Yeah. Yes.
02:00:04
I don't think I can take another kid this in in this season.
02:00:08
We've had enough. We may have enough.
02:00:11
We probably will, but I'm just saying we know Will is alive
02:00:16
because we gotta have. Mike, that's that's the only,
02:00:18
that's the only. One we do, we know.
02:00:19
Mark is safe. We do and we say that, but do we
02:00:25
know that? Do we know that Mike's daddy is
02:00:32
Will? He he says my dad name is Will.
02:00:35
We know that that is his father. But does it say his dad name is
02:00:40
Will? In the book we know that it is
02:00:42
his father. Because he says will.
02:00:45
OK, that's all I need. I need to know that they
02:00:47
actually say a name. They can't say my father and my
02:00:52
grandfather because, you know, Will's dad could they could have
02:00:56
a late kid after Will die? We don't know.
02:00:58
I'm just saying. Father Will and his wife, his
02:01:02
mother, died in the fire. Yeah.
02:01:03
And that would that wouldn't, that wouldn't fly because it's
02:01:07
only a 27 year period. Well, let me see.
02:01:10
Yeah, it's only a 27 year period.
02:01:12
Even if Charlotte is pregnant now, it's going to be 18.
02:01:17
Well, anywhere between 14 and 18 years before that child has
02:01:21
another child. And then you talk about 10 years
02:01:23
later. So the math would be just a
02:01:26
little bit off. I'm just making sure.
02:01:31
You have no unexpected deaths on our hands, no.
02:01:34
Will is Mark's safe? OK, OK.
02:01:37
And so is Leroy, I think. Yes, everybody.
02:01:40
Else 3. Not even sure Will's mom is
02:01:44
going to make Charlotte. We don't even.
02:01:47
Yeah. You know what?
02:01:48
She may not make it. Charlotte.
02:01:51
Charlotte. I don't think she will.
02:01:52
I mean, because think about it, even in earlier episodes, we
02:01:56
were talking about the fact that we've never heard them talk
02:01:59
about Mike's mom. So.
02:02:04
Oh, grandmother. Yeah.
02:02:06
So maybe. So I'm going to say rest in
02:02:13
peace, Rich. And that is it for our show.
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