#it #welcometoderry #stephenking Lily's suggestion to go after Pennywise with the artifact doesn't go over well with the rest of the group. Will stands his ground when his father lays down strict rules to protect him. Lily's trust is shattered when she learns disturbing information from the person she trusts most. Major Hanlon and Halloran disagree on how to move forward. Hank is reunited with Ronnie when he finds a place to hide, but his presence may bring danger to everyone around him. The locals take the law into their own hands.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Anthony, Michelle and our newest official team member,
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Dina. Yeah, and Dina is now officially
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a part of the Fandom Hybrid podcast after we've been like
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just kind of snatching her up for everything over the last few
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years. So welcome, Dina.
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Thank you. Hey, so exciting.
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It's. Fun.
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She can bring that wealth of vampire knowledge to the
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podcast. Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Wealth of vampire knowledge. Or just the wealth of trivia
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knowledge. Trivia because she's a trivia
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girl. But let me just tell you, I've
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been planning to get some folks here lately.
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Then I'm like bro y'all get out of the house at.
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All OK, so before we get into our episode, for our viewers who
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don't know that much about you, tell us a little bit about
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yourself. Oh yeah.
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Cool. So OK, I'm Dina and I'm a nerd.
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We've known each other, all of us, about 16-17 years, probably
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more at this final number, man. But I, I love trivia.
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So that's what I do for fun is I learn things so I can remember
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them and win and beat people. And my favorite thing to do is
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go on game shows. And so I'm trying to get on some
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more and I've been on four so far I've only lost on one.
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Oh, that's that's. A good track record.
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Right I'm. You betting 75?
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Yeah, I, I, I'm pretty proud. I'm really proud.
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I can't live. I'm pretty proud.
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I definitely, but the and the one I lost on wasn't really
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trivia. So that's also I I realize I
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need to stay away from stuff that's not like in my wheelhouse
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because like unless it's just for like, you know, for fun, I'm
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too competitive to do things and actually like lose.
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That does not feel. Good she is.
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I have been on her. We we have done Harry Potter
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trivia together on many other occasions.
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Look, you, you're the one. You're the reason why I had to
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get my Harry Potter trivia knowledge up.
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Girl what you talking about like?
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Yeah, Hanukkah used to crush everybody.
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Oh my gosh, Like it was like Harry Potter encyclopedia.
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And I was just like, oh, I can't mess with her.
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Yeah, it's like we go we we went to the Harry Potter trivia and
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she's going read the books in a decade and she's in there
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answering every question. It was like, wait, what do you
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mean you haven't read? You've only missed the one
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question. I said believe me, I remember
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more than I forgot that, you know.
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Doesn't jog, you know, once they jog your memory of something or
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connect something, you know, it comes out.
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If it's in there, it's in there. But yeah, I had to, like, get my
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hair. Oh, man, I couldn't even, you
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know, I came to the group of people with only movie knowledge
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because I hadn't read the books when I first came.
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So I had to get jumped into the gang.
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I had to, yeah. Yeah.
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How do you prepare? I have a quick interview
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question. So how do you prepare for your
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game shows? What's your preparation?
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So whatever the game show is, I watch like every episode
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basically. I watch what the other players
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do and what the one that like the ones that win, I study them.
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I go play trivia like at the bars and stuff, and I play.
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There's a site called Sporkle that's really popular for.
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Trivia I remember. Playoffs sparkle and just
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anywhere I could find trivia I watched YouTube videos of trivia
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contest the people just doing regular trivia and just answer
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questions and just try to remember things.
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And, and to be fair, a lot of stuff that I, I just remember
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comes from watching movies and TV.
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Like if I watched a movie more than one time, I, you know, I'm
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catching all these things. And then somewhere in the ether,
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this question comes out of nowhere.
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And it's because I watched that movie that same week, you know
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what I mean? Like, that kind of stuff
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happens. So yeah, but like I said, I got
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to get my game up because I'm playing against more people who,
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like, are like, so into it and so good that like, I'm looking
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stupid. So I'm like, OK, like we.
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Can't have that. We can't have that.
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So yeah, I'm. But I'm excited and I hope that
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some more games come up. Hopefully I can get on some
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games that I want to be on. And yeah, so that's pretty much
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me. OK, well, you know, welcome
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officially, officially, and we're going to jump into some
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Welcome to Dairy Episode 6. I have.
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OK, so I have I have two things. OK, yeah, let's start it.
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I already, I already, I bet you already know what one of them is
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because I think, yeah, we had a little I, I think, I think, I
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think I know. Yeah.
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What you going to talk about? Oh yeah, so, well, it's 2 little
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things. Number one, if my name is Dick
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Halloran and I tell you to leave me the fucking alone.
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Leave me for. That's number one.
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Leroy is kissing me off in this episode.
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He really was. Leroy Leroy Rare bro Think.
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About it, he was afraid of him at 1st and now he's telling you
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to get the hell long get out of my face and he ain't scared of
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you no more. Brother he got bigger.
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He. Got bigger fish to fry, right?
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Now, right like the dead soldier with the, with the, with his
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head halfway blowing off behind you, like you.
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You ain't that scary now, Sir. OK, and, and, and #2 I'm a need
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for Lily to tighten it up. You got to tighten it up, girl.
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You got to pull yourself together and tighten it.
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I understand there's a lot of trauma.
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I understand there's a lot of stuff going on, but I just need
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you to pull it together. Do you think that do you think
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the artifact is affecting her? I believe though, yes, I think
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so, yes. I mean because it it.
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Yeah, it is. It's.
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Like I can't let it go. I can't let it go.
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She. Was giving off those vibes and I
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was just like. And then she looking like she
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just have no life. So I'm like, yeah, yeah, what is
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happening? All I know is when she was
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riding a bike down the street after her confrontation and she
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screamed, I felt that. I felt it, I really did.
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And I felt. So bad for her because I was
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just like this girl just needs a break like she has nobody in her
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like her friends done kind of you know ostracized her.
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Now this person that she thought she could trust, she finds out
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is. Is crazy.
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It's a vegetable. Yeah, we're going to have to
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talk about Miss Kirsch because. Those, those are my, those are
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my two things. I looked at her in one way the
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first time I watched the episode, and then the second
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time I watched the episode, I was feeling a little more
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sympathetic towards her because yeah, we'll, we'll get into her.
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'Cause I mean, I'll tell you some, some was not right with
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that one from day one. There's so many layers to her,
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to her story. So, so let's just let's just go
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to the beginning. Let's start with her in the
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beginning because when the episode starts we get a
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flashback to, I think it was 1936 was the flashback. 35.
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Was it 35? It definitely has to be at least
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27 years prior because he's awake.
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Right. But OK, so here's the other
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thing. We know his cycle is every 27
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years. Do we know approximately how
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long that cycle lasts, like from the time he first shows up to
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the time he goes to sleep? Do we know what that time period
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is? 27-O Tomorrow.
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When he's awake, how long I. Kind of feel like the Native
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Americans when they were talking about the augury the in the
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other episode, I feel like they might have talked about that,
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but I don't remember a specific time.
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See, that's what I was trying to figure out because.
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Because I think when the when the show, when the show started,
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he was waking up. Yes, and that was January
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because that's when Maddie disappeared, right And then this
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was April when we first meet the other kids.
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Well, the the ones who ended up, you know, Teddy and and and
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Phil. Yes, Phil.
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Oh OK, it says not. Yes, it does say 1935 at the
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beginning so OK so AI says pen. Wise is awake for roughly one to
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two years. Oh, no, you imagine.
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Oh, that is horrifying. OK.
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That's horrifying, guys. And it depends.
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And it says it's it's it depends on.
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What happens, right, Because like when you look at Georgie
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that drew in the Losers Club, that incident.
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So it has to be something I guess to drive them in and
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whoever he picks and then the more kids they bring in and then
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that kind of thing. Yeah, because by the time we
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jumped in the Georgia story, they had already been a bunch of
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kids missing for the last, Yeah, for the last year or so.
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Yeah, OK, and this is the thing because even watching this
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particular episode with the kids going to the tower after I like
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literally you guys just got out the sewers.
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Y'all almost died, why are your parents still letting y'all go
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outside like Will? I understand because Will took
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off. He got into an argument with his
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dad. He was like oh you going to put
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your hands on me? I'm right?
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Oh my God then dad online has been a nightmare.
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And mom, did they did they even tell the parents?
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Do you know where your child is? 10:00 PM commercial.
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They don't know what's happening to their kids, but you think
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they would know because kids have been.
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There's a curfew. Clearly these kids ain't keeping
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up with the curfew. They especially these kids, they
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aren't The thing is, is the. Your child.
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Child tried to cut her eye out, right?
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Do you know where she at? No, we need to watch.
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Her but. You got one.
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We can't forget that child whose dad is on the run from the law.
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Why, you know? Grandma in that chair, she keep
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dozing in and out, reading her Bible, script, scriptures, OK.
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But we can't. We can't forgive.
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We can't forgive that. It does influence everybody in
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the town. That's true.
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They make them time forget to have children.
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I did the. Kind of.
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People did not really care. Worry, yeah.
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Yeah. Because like, for real, my child
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missing the eye Dang near and she she ain't getting out of my
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house, right? Not to mention, OK, my child is
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missing the eye because she doesn't try to cut her eye out
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in the school because quote UN quote, her glass is broke.
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OK. Not only that you are friends
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with the town, quote UN quote crazy girl, the one who was with
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the other missing kids when the when the theater got bloody and
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you're hanging with the daughter of the guy that's suspected of
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killing said missing kids that were in the theater when the
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theater got blessed. I guess it's, I guess it has to
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be the influence because no way. Parents talk, and back in them
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days, parents used to. Your daughter needs to stop
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being around Negros, that murderer.
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You know that would have been the call from like 12 other
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parents, right? Yeah.
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No, right, especially since we see everybody in this town ain't
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quite as Oh yeah, we're accepting of the the Negroes as
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we claim to be because. Yeah.
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What it what? Yeah, it's got it.
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It has to be penny wise because other than that, I cannot think
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of why these. But like we joke about the whole
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thing, you know? It's 10:00.
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Do you know where your parents are?
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It's a joke. But at the same time, y'all
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don't know shit about your children and what's going on.
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I mean we do the same thing with Stranger Things too, but like.
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Like, and we may be joking, but they really did have a campaign
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about where do you know where your kids are at 10:00 but.
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Even that was in the 80s. This is the 60s.
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Right. But I just want to say a lot of
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that stuff didn't come until like after Adam Walsh got
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kidnapped. Right, because they're like, as
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long as the kids come home, yeah.
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But I, I guess it's just, there's so many things about
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this that's just so unsettling. And one, the fact that you are
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in the 60s to the fact that y'all, you know, for all of your
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outside acceptance or whatever, you know, it's white folks in
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that town looking around at these kids.
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Like, why are these white kids hanging with these black kids?
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Tough. Hang with them.
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Tough. Constantly, night or day.
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Right, like y'all getting in all kinds of trouble and y'all are
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always together. You know, that wouldn't
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generally fly. So it's, you're right, Anthony.
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It's not Pennywise's influence. Well technically enabled so I
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guess 2 white girls 11 because everybody else is a minority.
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Rich is Hispanic, Hispanic is black, Will is black, Lily white
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but she crazy so she don't count.
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And Marge is a Patty cake. So, so far, Marge is a Patty
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cake, you know. Not anymore.
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Not after that. So before.
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That she was a Patty cake and she was kind of covered so
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right, and she wasn't really hanging with them until later.
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Yeah. So yeah, yeah, that's true.
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After after she was targeted by Penny Wise, Yeah.
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But OK. So going back to the timeline
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1935, we get black and white at Juniper Hill.
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You have the little girl in Jennifer Hill and you have her
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being LED downstairs by a nurse. I was like, if y'all are about
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to tell me the nurse, Nurse Kirch, was actually feeding
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these children to Pennywise because I really thought that's
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what they were about to show. Us.
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I thought so too. I was like, because, because
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even though they don't show you her face at first, when she
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tells the little girl, when she gives her a hand and she says
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there's nothing to worry about, he said.
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That sounds like Miss Kirsch. Oh, the subtitles say Ingrid.
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I was like, oh, that's miss. Kirsch See, I didn't, I didn't
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even watch it the first time with subtitles because my
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subtitles have been they've been a little bit ahead of what the
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dialogue is. So I turned them off because I
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was like, I don't want to get, you know, I don't want to get
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spoiled that way. So I didn't see a name.
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I heard heard her voice. And I was like, that's Miss
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Kirsch. I said, is she feeding these
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children to this thing? And then when you get
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downstairs, you know, she's trying to tell the little girl
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Mabel, she was like, see, there's nothing going on.
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And she was like, is this where you saw Pennywise?
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And the little girl says, yes, he told me to come down into the
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into the into the basement. And then she looks up and
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there's a red balloon there, of course.
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Red balloon. You see Pennywise come out and
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then they cut away from it. I was like, y'all gonna make us
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sit here and think about this all episode long.
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Like whether or not this woman, because at this point, even just
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the way she was talking to the child, something seemed off.
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And I know we were talking in the last episode because from
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from the moment we meet her, we all said something ain't right
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about this woman. Then in the last episode, we
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found out that she was the one sleeping with Hank Grogan.
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So we were like, oh, that's probably it.
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She was just, you know, she being sketchy because she's
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sleeping with a black man. No, like the top of this episode
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I was like, back to my original. Something ain't right with her.
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I'm not going to lie, a lot of my assumptions about how her
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being not right, it was still tied to the movie where she was
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acting all crazy. Well, that wasn't her, but that
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was still her. Yeah, yeah.
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See, I don't see. I don't remember the movie
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because it's been years since I've seen it and I've only seen
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it once, so I have no recollection of it.
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I almost watched it this weekend and like I was telling Michelle
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and Dana prior to US recording, I started watching several
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things this weekend and I just couldn't stick with.
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I couldn't focus. I was getting bored.
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So like I only got to maybe when when Beverly first meets Ben and
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and she's walking off at the school after she signs his
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yearbook. That's as far as I got because I
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was like, OK, I just, I can't concentrate.
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So I remember nothing of Miss Kirsch from the movie.
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Yeah, because in that scene it shows you the pictures.
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It was like Bev looked around and saw the pictures of of her
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father. I don't remember that.
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Yeah, you you got to watch it in the.
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Original movie, she goes to her old house and that's the lady
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that's in her old house, ain't it?
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I think she said that because what?
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What was Bella? I forget Bev's last name.
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Marsh. Marsh.
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Yeah, that was the house. And then she.
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Thought she saw was Marsh but then she saw it was cursed and.
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She was like, oh, I thought it said Marsh.
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Yes, yes, you're right. So that first part of the
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episode, I'm sitting here looking, I'm like, OK, something
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right with her. Like is she feeding Pennywise?
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Like, because I don't, I think I recall him really having like
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anybody helping him except for I think whoever it was, Henry
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Bauer. Henry Bauer.
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Henry. And I think there was one other
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person who was kind of seeing him and I think he was kind of
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manipulating him, but nobody that was just like, here, let me
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bring you breakfast. I don't think we've seen that.
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So watching it at the beginning, I was I was confused.
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And then later on in the episode, you know, the kids go
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through their thing, Lily and we'll we'll get into that.
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Lily, you know, she shows them the artifact that saved her down
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in the sewers. She's like, OK, well, he seems
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scared of this. We can go after him and kill
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him. Ronnie is like, hold up, you
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almost got us killed already and now you want us to go back And
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she, she goes off, calls her. Crazy says they should have kept
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you in Juniper Hill. They have this big blowout,
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right? So Lily, after that, she rides
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her bike to go see Miss Kirsch because that's the person who
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she goes to when she has some issues, when she has troubles.
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Now, the first thing that made me worried and I had to remind
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myself this is the 60s. They kind of sort of did this.
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If the woman don't answer the door, don't go in the fucking
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house. Just just don't.
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Don't care that the door is open.
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I don't care if you knock in it. Usually if you knock.
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You know I would never do that. No, no, no.
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Even with people I'm close to, unless you call me and say I'm
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coming to your house and I say the front door is open, just
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walk on in. No, especially not for an
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unexpected visit because again, 60s, even when we were children,
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you didn't call before you went to somebody's house.
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You just went to somebody's house, right?
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But she goes in and she opens the door and she goes in.
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Hello, is anybody here? And nobody answered.
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Guess what? That's time for you to turn
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around and go home. Because who knows, who knows
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what happened, It could be some dude in there stabbing her 4855
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times. It could be Mr. Kirsch in there
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in his boxers with a beer can talking about make sure my steak
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is is done right. She don't know.
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No, you you really don't know. But she proceeds to go upstairs
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to the to the attic. And when she gets to the attic,
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there's a there's a record player playing a record.
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She goes to a table, she sees a photograph book, then she opens
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the photograph book. I'm like, so we just invading
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folks privacy. Just yes.
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All Willy nilly, yes. Is that is what we do?
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Is this is what we do? Because you just, you're, you're
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mighty comfortable. You're a little too comfortable.
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And then I start thinking, I was like, oh, you know what?
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I was like, maybe Pennywise is pulling her in.
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I was like, maybe that was the influence.
00:22:25
But no, she's just a little girl who very naively, she's just
00:22:30
like, this is my friend. This is somebody I can trust.
00:22:34
That's the kind of relationship they have.
00:22:36
Yeah, and she was like, she told me I can come and talk to her
00:22:39
whenever I need to talk to her. So I'm going to go talk to her,
00:22:42
OK. But you just don't walk in in
00:22:44
her house. Yeah.
00:22:48
So she goes through the photographs and she sees like
00:22:51
all these old pictures of Miss Kirsch and.
00:22:54
Oh wait, wait, I just had a thought.
00:22:59
It is possible she could have done it before she told her just
00:23:04
come on in if the door is open 'cause I I have a feeling this
00:23:12
is not the first time she's been over there.
00:23:15
Does this know where she lived? No, and and and I get that part.
00:23:19
I guess the the part, the rational part of my brain is
00:23:22
saying even though we know Kirsch and Hank Grogan are a
00:23:26
thing, why would you leave your door just open when a quote UN
00:23:33
quote serial killer is on the loose?
00:23:37
Especially when you have the husband that you have.
00:23:40
Well, they let me come on now, the answer that question is
00:23:44
easy. They have relationships and and.
00:23:47
Oh, you talking about but you're talking about the clown or a
00:23:51
serial. Killer No, I'm talking about her
00:23:53
just in general. Like if you are, if you are in
00:23:58
the town of Derry and you know, like everybody is saying, hey,
00:24:02
we have this, this kid killer even though she's not a kid, we
00:24:05
have this kid Killer. He's escaped.
00:24:07
We don't know where he is. It's it's one of those things
00:24:11
where even if she doesn't think to do it because she she already
00:24:15
knows where he is, Her husband might be like, you need to make
00:24:18
sure the door is locked. Yeah, but he ain't there.
00:24:21
He, he had the butcher shop butchering and you know, people
00:24:25
and then and then in Derry around the time everybody doors
00:24:30
unlocked. Yeah.
00:24:32
Nobody, nobody liked. They're so close to Canada.
00:24:35
People in Canada don't like their doors.
00:24:38
I mean sorry Canadians, but it's true.
00:24:40
Any Canadians there listening please direct all emails to HMR
00:24:43
Potter. No, absolutely not.
00:24:46
Absolutely not. You go to Mission too?
00:24:50
Absolutely not. But so I don't know.
00:24:53
The whole thing was just weird about her being able to go in
00:24:56
the house. But then she gets in.
00:24:57
She sees the photographs, the photo album, she starts looking
00:25:01
through the pictures. She sees old pictures of Miss
00:25:03
Curse. She sees pictures of what may be
00:25:05
her mom. And then she flips the page.
00:25:07
She sees a picture of her dad. And I don't think she realizes
00:25:13
that is Miss Kirsch's dad. At first.
00:25:14
She just noticed this guy looks a lot like this clown that I
00:25:18
just almost got killed by, you know, with, with the with the
00:25:22
smile. And he has the unusually large
00:25:24
head and, you know, those distinguishing features.
00:25:28
And then you see the picture next to it of a young Miss
00:25:31
Kirsch with her dad. And then this is when Miss
00:25:34
Kirsch actually comes upstairs. And she's like, hey, what are
00:25:36
you doing? Oh, I'm sorry.
00:25:39
You told me I could come by and the door was open and she was
00:25:41
like, no, that's fine. I just wasn't expecting anybody.
00:25:45
You don't know what she could have been doing.
00:25:48
She could have been in the shower, which again, if she was
00:25:50
doing all that stuff, her door should have been fucking locked.
00:25:53
But. Yeah.
00:25:54
You don't. You just don't know what's going
00:25:56
on. So she comes in and and she
00:26:00
looks at Lily. Lily already looks spooked
00:26:02
because she's spooked by the fact that she's seen the picture
00:26:05
with curses, Dad. So she's asking her like, are
00:26:10
you OK? Is everything all right?
00:26:12
And she was like, yeah, I just. I didn't know where else to go.
00:26:16
We went down to the sewers, and it was a mess.
00:26:19
And, you know, Teddy was actually, I mean, Maddie was
00:26:23
actually dead. And I wish she didn't say it,
00:26:25
but she inferred it. Miss Kirsch.
00:26:28
Understood. Gives her a hug.
00:26:30
And then this is when it really starts getting creepy because
00:26:33
even the way she's hugging her, she's like, oh, it's OK, you're
00:26:38
safe. I was like, she looks really
00:26:41
weird doing that. It was just, it was a, it wasn't
00:26:46
just a comforting hug. It was borderline creepy at that
00:26:51
point. And then Lily sees behind her
00:26:58
and there's a picture of her dad in the Pennywise pasta.
00:27:03
So she kind of steps back and Miss Curse realizes she seen the
00:27:09
picture. And she says, you've seen them.
00:27:11
I said, oh, here we go. Here we go.
00:27:15
The descendants of madness. What fuckery are they about to
00:27:18
pull out their ass now? Because I at this point, I
00:27:22
didn't know what to expect. I was like, OK, she knows
00:27:26
Pennywise. We we kind of knew that from the
00:27:29
start of the first, you know, the start of the episode, but I
00:27:33
didn't know where it was going to go.
00:27:42
I this this woman, she's like, yeah, you saw him.
00:27:52
Well, and she starts talking crazy.
00:27:54
She's like, I, I had, I had to, I had to, I had to do what I
00:27:58
needed to do in order to see him.
00:27:59
And I knew your, I knew that you, I should have known you
00:28:03
would be the one to bring him out.
00:28:06
Looking at her like, what the fuck are you talking about?
00:28:08
And then she starts putting things together.
00:28:12
Wait, that was you in the graveyard because she sees Miss
00:28:16
Kirsch's old clown uniform, the one that we saw in the other
00:28:20
episode. I was just like, how was this
00:28:26
about to go? Yeah, and then she said
00:28:29
something like, he's in there, I just need to get him out.
00:28:34
And that was the thing I was talking about when I watched it
00:28:36
on the second, the second viewing, because the first
00:28:39
viewing when she was talking about Pennywise and that's her
00:28:43
dad and stuff, I was like, oh, she is really gone.
00:28:46
Then I really paid attention to her the second viewing and she
00:28:52
said he's a little different, but he's still there.
00:28:55
And I just knew maybe, maybe he saw, if he saw me as his
00:28:59
periwinkle, if I remind him of the bond that we had, then I
00:29:04
would be able to help him. I would be able to get him out.
00:29:08
And I was like, oh, she thinks her dad is trapped, which he
00:29:10
probably, technically speaking, he probably is technically, but
00:29:16
the. They either get eaten or they
00:29:18
float. Well, no, but what I'm saying is
00:29:20
he still he still has his, his memory and I guess kind of his
00:29:26
essence because she said she could feel it and and that's
00:29:29
probably on. Purpose, she said.
00:29:32
No, no, no. What I'm saying is Penny Wise
00:29:34
once once Penny Wise identified who she was because later in the
00:29:38
episode we. Yeah, when he's looking for
00:29:40
that. Confrontation.
00:29:42
She's like Papa, he starts laughing.
00:29:45
And then he uses that later on to kind of draw her in.
00:29:48
He realizes who he is. Yeah, maybe he's still using
00:29:52
that to influence her, you know. Or he just reaches into her
00:29:57
memories like you do everybody. Or that, yeah.
00:30:01
He's just, he's just it, it, it is just like, oh, let me see
00:30:06
what's in your head. Why, Why are you looking at me
00:30:08
like this? Oh, he sees it, sees all this,
00:30:12
all the stuff about her dad and it, it makes a connection.
00:30:15
But if he killed her dad, then he would have he would have
00:30:18
dad's memories too. Not necessarily.
00:30:21
You don't think so? No, I don't think that's how it
00:30:24
works. OK.
00:30:29
But yeah, it's so crazy because she starts, she starts talking
00:30:35
and she starts telling Lily the story about what happened.
00:30:39
So we go back to the hospital. We see her and Mabel Pennywise
00:30:44
actually comes to them and starts talking to Mabel.
00:30:47
And he was like, oh, and you bought brought a friend.
00:30:49
And when she says Papa, he starts laughing.
00:30:52
Then he gets ready to attack them.
00:30:53
They take off running. Now they get separated because
00:30:57
of course, she's a grown up. She's running a little bit
00:31:00
faster than the little girl. And she did the the trip, yeah.
00:31:05
Does the trip that everybody does, you running for your life?
00:31:08
You just trip and fall. She trips and falls.
00:31:11
Miss Kirsch is on one side of the door, Mabel is on the other
00:31:14
side, and the door, of course, closes.
00:31:17
You have Pennywise come up and Kirsch is begging him to leave
00:31:23
the little girl alone and you hear him start to eat.
00:31:28
Like literally. I did not need to hear that.
00:31:33
And. It's very sad because it's
00:31:36
crunch, crunch and then blood and you're because crunch,
00:31:42
crunch, crunch and blood and then you get up and lose your
00:31:44
damn mind. I.
00:31:47
Think somebody was already lost? Helped.
00:31:49
Her break? Somebody was already gone.
00:31:52
Because what the hell? Ain't no way I'm seeing the
00:31:56
child. I can't get to him something and
00:31:58
then something eats the child. And then there's blood on the
00:32:01
floor. I'm not out.
00:32:04
Right. Right.
00:32:06
And then when you stand up, who was on the other side of the
00:32:10
door? Your father.
00:32:12
Yeah. Like he literally changed into
00:32:15
what her father was and she really thought that was her dad.
00:32:19
He was talking to her. He was like, it's mean.
00:32:22
Open the door so you can so you can see.
00:32:25
I was like, bitch. For Bill Skarsgard for being
00:32:30
amazing because I would never like if I just wasn't a like a
00:32:36
movie fan and I just didn't know what actors look like.
00:32:39
I wouldn't think that was Bill Skarsgard.
00:32:40
Like he transforms. His whole everything transforms.
00:32:45
It's insane. Yeah, insane.
00:32:50
But but she continues telling Lily the story.
00:32:53
She was like, you know, she said it was, it was still my father,
00:32:58
maybe just a little different. Bitch, he ate a child.
00:33:01
How different can you get? But she was like, he's just a
00:33:06
little bit different. But I knew that if I could, you
00:33:10
know, if I could see him again, I could help him.
00:33:13
And, and she's literally in the hospital and she sees the
00:33:17
balloon outside the window and she's thinking all this time,
00:33:22
how can I get him to come back? How can I get him to come back?
00:33:26
And so I was, so the first time I watched this, I was thinking,
00:33:31
I was like, OK, so she's been planning all this all along.
00:33:34
And then when I watched it again today, I don't think that's the
00:33:37
case. I think her being her being a
00:33:41
mentor to Lily, I think that was genuine to a point.
00:33:47
Now, the fact that she works in the hospital and that's where
00:33:49
she first encountered Pennywise, I think maybe that's why she
00:33:53
took a, a, a liking to Lily a little bit more because she was
00:33:57
like, Oh, Lily might be one of the people that can see my dad,
00:34:02
you know, But I think for for apart, she was genuine with Lily
00:34:10
because even when Lily says don't hurt me, she said, Oh, I
00:34:12
would never, I would, I would never let anything hurt you.
00:34:16
That's you, but your friends? Fuck them kids.
00:34:20
Right. Literally, I would never hurt
00:34:24
you but your. Friends, your friends are fair
00:34:28
game. They're not.
00:34:29
Well, she said it. No, she did, and without saying
00:34:34
it. She, I think she was sincere
00:34:37
with Lily and then I think up to a certain point, she was sincere
00:34:44
about Hank because I don't think she was even think I, I don't
00:34:49
know if I feel like she was even thinking about the whole
00:34:53
Pennywise thing when her and Hank was messing around, because
00:34:56
remember, they were messing around the night the kids got
00:35:00
killed. So the whole thing at the end of
00:35:05
the episode where the, the, where the police chief says, Oh,
00:35:10
we know where Hank Grogan is. We had a anonymous tip from a,
00:35:13
from a woman. I was like, Oh, you know what?
00:35:17
That was her because what did she tell Lily now, especially
00:35:20
now that she knows that Pennywise is there, she's like,
00:35:24
I'm going to do whatever I have to do to set him free.
00:35:27
And I know how I can do that. And I was like, you know what?
00:35:31
See where this is going? So.
00:35:33
When they show her like after she after little girl dies or
00:35:37
whatever and she is in the hospital and there's another kid
00:35:40
that's like flipping out and, and you see the balloon go by
00:35:44
the window. I feel like at that point is
00:35:46
where she realized, like, you know what, maybe if I get this
00:35:50
kid down there and in the, in the basement, maybe he'll eat
00:35:55
that kid and come back again. Or, you know, like, 'cause she
00:35:58
was just staring at the balloon, but she it was a kid there and I
00:36:01
was like. And.
00:36:03
She was smiling like, excited like.
00:36:06
She had an aha moment when she saw that balloon like.
00:36:09
Oh, wait, yeah, I felt like that's she was like these
00:36:14
children, they might be worth something after all.
00:36:18
I'm not completely convinced that this that this wasn't I'm
00:36:26
OK. I'm I'm not going to say the
00:36:28
black spot was part of her plan, but I'm sure she was trying to
00:36:33
think of ways to pivot her relationship with Grogan to lead
00:36:42
to this point. The black spot just happened to
00:36:44
be real convenient for it, but I I feel like at some point she
00:36:49
would have set him up because he is a black man fooling with a
00:36:54
white woman and you obviously the butcher is involved so.
00:37:00
So maybe she was going to like out them that they were together
00:37:04
at some. Point she's going to out them at
00:37:06
some point and I think that it just so happened everything you
00:37:10
fill in the place. Yeah, because for her for for
00:37:14
for the black spot. But I think at some point she
00:37:18
was going to out him and and there was going to be a lynch
00:37:21
mile, right? Because see, I was thinking
00:37:23
about that like when. If Penny was asleep, would you
00:37:26
think she would do that still? Well, that's the thing, I don't
00:37:29
think she, but I think she had a feeling he was there.
00:37:33
She just didn't know how to get to him.
00:37:35
Yeah, right. And I think that's what she was
00:37:37
figuring out when she was sitting there with Lily, because
00:37:40
Lily was like, yeah, we've seen him.
00:37:43
He's he came after us. He's taking the chill.
00:37:45
Like what? She knew she was like, oh, OK,
00:37:48
so he's here now. I got to figure out how to do
00:37:50
this. Because my thing was, I was
00:37:52
thinking, if Hank had not mentioned Charlotte to her and
00:37:58
said, hey, I know somebody who can help, would she still have
00:38:02
been on that trajectory? Like, the only reason why she
00:38:06
knew where he was was because they reached out to Charlotte.
00:38:09
Charlotte got him somewhere safe, and she had something that
00:38:14
she could now use because nobody else knew that she knew.
00:38:19
Right. I'm just saying like up until up
00:38:23
until Phil and Teddy and I guess Susie were killed, they were
00:38:29
having a relationship. So had that not happened, the
00:38:34
trajectory still could have been she was going to create this
00:38:39
lynch mob and chaos because she she has to know.
00:38:42
That's what if she has been around long enough to know that
00:38:47
he has a cycle, you know what I'm saying?
00:38:51
But I don't know if she. Yeah.
00:38:54
I don't know if she would put it together in that way.
00:38:58
Not in that way, but in a way that she would know that she
00:39:01
could bring him out. Well, like, not that he has a
00:39:04
cycle, but she probably did notice that when stuff start
00:39:08
happening to the children again, that this has happened before,
00:39:12
you know, like back in the day with the little girl.
00:39:15
And I'm sure there was other kids outside the the in there
00:39:18
that were just going missing or whatever.
00:39:21
And she was like, and then when it started happening, like
00:39:23
heavily just kids getting killed for no damn reason, it probably
00:39:26
did Click to her that, hey, this was happening the last time, you
00:39:32
know, because I don't know that she knows specifically.
00:39:34
It's a cycle. And every 27 years he comes
00:39:36
back. But she noticed probably the
00:39:37
pattern of children. Yeah.
00:39:40
But but she was going to have that affair.
00:39:44
It has nothing to do with Pennywise.
00:39:47
I don't believe that. Yeah.
00:39:48
Oh. You met her husband.
00:39:50
I did, but I also I also know her too.
00:39:54
Yeah, but I I think that it, it was that was just pleasure now.
00:39:59
That was pleasure. Then when the kid, when he got
00:40:02
killed, she's. Like, right.
00:40:03
And then he's like, oh, and now this can help me.
00:40:07
And Lily is saying that she's seen him and.
00:40:09
And I'm following these kids around.
00:40:11
Oh, yeah, I'm putting them in danger.
00:40:13
Yeah. Because.
00:40:14
If you think about it, when we'll just agree to disagree and
00:40:17
maybe she. Was trying to have some fun I'm.
00:40:19
Just like she's just like danger.
00:40:21
She likes to flirt with danger and and dangerous situations.
00:40:24
So doesn't. Make sense?
00:40:26
She doesn't even think that dealing with Pennywise is
00:40:29
dangerous. She she thinks that's her dad
00:40:32
for real, so she doesn't think it's dangerous.
00:40:35
She thinks her dad is has. Been taken.
00:40:39
Yeah, it needs to be helped out. She knows that That thing is
00:40:44
children. Right.
00:40:45
But that's just the case, she thinks.
00:40:46
Her dad's in there somewhere and she can get him out.
00:40:48
Right. But you know what I mean?
00:40:50
It's just kids. For her, yeah.
00:40:54
Yeah, I mean it. It is.
00:40:55
Let's. Just agree that.
00:40:57
Got nothing to do with. Because because the way I, the
00:41:02
way I feel, I feel like whatever she had with Hank was genuine on
00:41:07
her part until she factored her dad in.
00:41:10
Because it's like, OK, I might love this, You know, I might
00:41:13
like this man. I might even love this man.
00:41:16
But do I love him more than I want to see my father alive
00:41:19
again? And I think at that point she
00:41:21
made the decision. She was like, oh, so maybe if I
00:41:24
call some kind of chaos, maybe if I do this, it'll happen now.
00:41:28
I don't know. See, I don't trust her.
00:41:33
I don't think that she is a genuine person except to Lily,
00:41:38
but even that was still colored by her own motivations.
00:41:44
So I don't know if anything about this woman is genuine.
00:41:47
I really don't. I mean now no but but.
00:41:51
No, I mean even her the whole way.
00:41:53
Disappeared. Whatever.
00:41:54
The whole way, the whole way she's been operating.
00:41:56
I don't think anything she has done has been dreaming.
00:41:59
You don't. Think so?
00:42:00
OK. No, I mean it was.
00:42:02
Really. That everything.
00:42:02
About in 1935, she started feeding children.
00:42:05
No, no, no. And that's what I'm saying I.
00:42:07
Can see that as far as the kids but I'm thinking.
00:42:09
But I'm like Michelle, if you thinking about just her being an
00:42:14
adult, I think Hank just happened to be.
00:42:19
It just happened to be an opportunity that dropped in her
00:42:22
lap. But I think at first it was just
00:42:24
fun. It was an escape from her
00:42:25
husband. It was something she was doing
00:42:28
for herself. And then when everything started
00:42:30
happening, she started being like, OK, I might, maybe she
00:42:36
felt like. This woman ain't got that
00:42:39
genuine bone in her body. I don't understand why y'all
00:42:43
giving her all this credit. She don't.
00:42:46
She doesn't. Yeah, she.
00:42:50
Feeds children to it. She feeds children.
00:42:56
There's nothing genuine about her.
00:42:58
Yeah, that's the thing. Like, that's the thing about her
00:43:00
and Lily that kind of bothers me is like, she saw what happened
00:43:04
to the first baby. And I feel like after she
00:43:06
realized she was going to see her dad again, that baby that
00:43:09
they showed in that little clip of her seeing the balloon
00:43:12
outside, that baby that was freaking out.
00:43:15
She was trying to get. She was going to take that baby,
00:43:17
too and feed that baby. Yeah.
00:43:19
You know, Yeah. Imagine if Lily had been in the
00:43:22
hospital one more time. She had been escorted down to
00:43:25
the basement too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:29
Because what did, what did she, what did, what did she say?
00:43:32
Now I will say maybe not because she didn't, because she did talk
00:43:37
to, she did talk to when she talked to her about Maddie being
00:43:43
back, she did tell her. Don't go to the police, Yeah.
00:43:49
And tell her don't go down there.
00:43:51
Don't go down there, go to the police.
00:43:52
She did tell her that. So I will say that maybe she
00:43:55
does have a care for Lily, but she's like your friends can go.
00:44:01
Right, right, your friends, but you don't go.
00:44:05
You don't go, but your friends can go, she said.
00:44:07
I told you not to go down there. She was like, but my friends
00:44:12
imagine. She looked at her, put Lily in
00:44:14
the place of like Mabel, because it seemed like she had a decent
00:44:18
little something with Mabel. Mabel trusted her.
00:44:21
Maybe she put her like in her mind, that was her Mabel again.
00:44:24
You know what? I.
00:44:25
Mean I was, I was thinking, I was thinking a little bit of
00:44:27
that too. I was thinking long line that
00:44:29
she sees herself and Lily. Probably because yeah, yeah.
00:44:36
Yeah, because the father thing, she even brings that up.
00:44:38
She was like, you should understand, like if you, if you,
00:44:42
if you, if you had an opportunity to see your dad
00:44:44
again, wouldn't you? And Lily was like, my dad is
00:44:47
dead. Probably if he hadn't tried to
00:44:50
like filet her with Pickles, she probably would want to see him.
00:44:55
Again, that is true if he was a whole person.
00:44:58
Like, who would want to see? I wouldn't want to see him no
00:45:00
more after that. And especially after you just
00:45:03
saw him again and your desk at school.
00:45:05
OK. Oh, yeah.
00:45:08
So, yeah, but they would stop that.
00:45:10
But I but at least we see because, you know, for for
00:45:14
everything that they keep saying about Lily.
00:45:16
Oh, she's crazy Looney Lily Bainbridge, blah, blah, blah.
00:45:20
Even, you know, Ronnie calling her crazy or whatever, whatever.
00:45:24
Ronnie was mad. She was mad.
00:45:26
But listen, Lily has some sense at least because she's like, OK,
00:45:31
look, yes, I miss my dad. I love my dad, but no, I'm not
00:45:35
about to do whatever to bring him back.
00:45:37
He's dead. He's done.
00:45:38
And what did she tell? She said, well, you know what
00:45:41
they say about Derrick. Things that die here.
00:45:43
Dogs don't stay dead, bitch. If you don't go somewhere, I'm
00:45:48
going to tell you. I'm going to tell y'all.
00:45:49
Like I told Anthony the other day, I know I said I was going
00:45:52
to stop cussing on the podcast so much.
00:45:54
It's not going to be with this show.
00:45:55
I'm just going to let y'all know that now.
00:45:57
It's not, it's. Not Dina was.
00:46:00
Dina was shouting out Bill Scarsgard.
00:46:02
I don't want to shout out Madeline still.
00:46:04
Yeah. He is an amazing actress.
00:46:07
You feel good too. She's still a good and.
00:46:10
She makes those little subtle changes, like you can see her go
00:46:14
from sweet, caring, kind friends to like unhinged.
00:46:20
And and it's just this, the subtle changes she makes.
00:46:24
Is she she's really, really good.
00:46:26
Yeah. And and then the son that we
00:46:29
spent a lot of time, I was trying to figure out how old she
00:46:31
was because she started being in her 50s.
00:46:35
No, it's got to be 60s, sixties. Yeah.
00:46:38
It's about the character curse. No, I'm about Madeline.
00:46:41
Madeline. I'm about the character.
00:46:43
Yeah, we know she's not in her field.
00:46:46
I love it, but she's not so much.
00:46:49
Yeah. Because I was wondering that
00:46:52
too, because I think Anthony and I were talking about Hank and
00:46:56
and and cursed when we went to trivia this week.
00:47:00
And I was like, you know, we had, I think we had the
00:47:03
conversation when we were trying to figure out who The Who the
00:47:07
white woman was when he first told about it.
00:47:09
We were talking about, well, it could be this person.
00:47:12
It could be that person. And I don't remember if it was
00:47:15
Anthony or if it was Michelle, One of y'all.
00:47:18
Yeah. Well, you know, they don't
00:47:19
necessarily have to be the same age in this day and age in the
00:47:22
1960s, somebody could, you know, it could be older.
00:47:26
Could. Be.
00:47:27
Yeah, so I was like, because I'm thinking Hank Grogan maybe in
00:47:33
his late 30s, early 40s. Yeah, she got her character just
00:47:39
based on the timeline because if she is the same, if she is the
00:47:43
same clown that we saw at the carnival in 19 O 8 and she had
00:47:48
she looked like. Maybe 6-7?
00:47:53
She had to be like maybe 10-11 at that point.
00:47:57
Oh, she was older, OK, I can't remember.
00:47:59
What she, I would, I would say she was probably maybe about
00:48:01
12/12/13 somewhere. But even if that's the case,
00:48:05
you're talking 54 years later, right?
00:48:10
19 O 862. Yeah, 50.
00:48:13
Four years later. So you're talking she got to be
00:48:15
close to 70? Yeah, because even though they
00:48:19
married young, the and the husband was old, that don't mean
00:48:21
she had to be old, but she had. But she's clearly older because
00:48:26
she was looking like she was at least 2830 in that in that
00:48:29
flashback, you know? So I was, I was wondering too, I
00:48:34
was like, OK, so does the fact that she's not scared of
00:48:39
Pennywise. And if she was helping him, like
00:48:42
we're we're just speculating. She was feeding children to him.
00:48:45
We don't know that for a fact. OK, But if she was doing
00:48:49
something, if she was doing something like that, if she was
00:48:52
taking children to him with the hopes of seeing her dad again,
00:48:56
could that be slowing down her aging process?
00:48:58
Because she doesn't look like she's close to 70.
00:49:00
She doesn't, you know. I I don't think so.
00:49:04
I don't think so. I think she's got good genes.
00:49:06
OK, let. Me do a calculation.
00:49:08
I don't think so. And and if you don't think that
00:49:12
seeing take no more children down to that basement.
00:49:14
I'm just playing. Definitely trying to get her the
00:49:17
benefit of the doubt. I'm giving her the benefit of
00:49:20
the doubt. And what year is this?
00:49:23
This is 1962. 54 and she was and what was she in 19 O 8 maybe at
00:49:36
least. I thought she was like 8 or 9.
00:49:39
Oh no. But I don't say like 12 I.
00:49:43
Would say maybe 12. Oh, no, I was going to give you.
00:49:48
I was going to give you like 4th grade, that's 9 or. 8 to 10/8 to
00:49:55
9/9 or two, OK, but but we know she's somewhere in that age
00:50:01
range. 60. 2 so she'll be like early 60s or late 50s.
00:50:06
Yeah. OK, so after that tracks.
00:50:10
And that does because her husband is that old.
00:50:13
Yeah, Yeah. And he could definitely be older
00:50:16
than her because it could be one of those young, old marriages,
00:50:18
but I really feel like she's closer to his age.
00:50:21
Yeah, me too. I just so they're they're in
00:50:23
their 60s. Yeah.
00:50:26
Yeah, but. Ain't nothing wrong with Little
00:50:28
Old Eleven but. I'm just I mean, and nobody
00:50:32
judging, OK, but. But wait a minute.
00:50:34
But but Ron, Ronnie's dad, gotta be.
00:50:38
I feel like, like Hanukkah said, he's about 30.
00:50:41
He got to be like, I would say late 30s, early 40s.
00:50:45
Right. She was having fun, yeah.
00:50:47
OK, Yeah. Like did she just go to the
00:50:50
movies one day and happened to see him?
00:50:52
He happened to see her when nobody else there.
00:50:55
And they start talking. Little winky wink, you know.
00:50:58
Well, I mean think about it this before.
00:50:59
Bone in her body. Before all of this happened, I
00:51:04
mean, if you think about it, the way that the townspeople, like
00:51:08
even in the first episode when they were at the movies, people
00:51:14
were, I don't know if I want to say respectful of him, but he
00:51:18
wasn't a bad guy. Like he again, the cops that
00:51:22
were sitting outside his house, they were like you really.
00:51:24
One of them was like, but he like, you really think it's him.
00:51:29
So it's not like he was just, you know, they just like, oh,
00:51:32
yeah, yeah. No, it's just they probably were
00:51:36
friendly with each other. I mean, like, like her husband
00:51:39
said to Charlotte when she first got there, he was like small
00:51:43
town. Everybody knows everybody.
00:51:46
They probably knew each other for a long time.
00:51:48
Hey. Hey, How you doing?
00:51:49
Hey, What's her name? What'd you say her name was?
00:51:54
Which one? Miss Kirsch on the closed
00:51:58
captions. Anthony, you said it's Ingrid.
00:52:00
Ingrid. Yeah, you know, probably really
00:52:03
friendly. And, you know, who knows when
00:52:07
the stuff with her husband started?
00:52:08
Her husband may not have always been an ass to her, you know.
00:52:13
And I just thought about something.
00:52:14
She might not have started that thing with Hank until Maddie got
00:52:17
taken, and that might have cued her.
00:52:20
That might be how she knew it was starting again.
00:52:24
Because, you know, since it was four months between us meeting
00:52:27
the other kids and Maddie's, you know, whatever had happened to
00:52:32
Maddie, right? Maybe then that.
00:52:34
Goes back to Anthony's Anthony's theory or assumption that she
00:52:41
just ain't been right the whole time.
00:52:42
The whole time because that they immediately start looking at
00:52:46
Hank as because he was at the movie theater and all that
00:52:49
stuff. So they was immediately looking
00:52:50
at him anyway, because I feel like they had mentioned that
00:52:54
before, even before the before the theater thing, the the big
00:52:58
theater thing happened. I feel like they were already
00:53:01
like. They already they already had
00:53:03
got him and questioned him about.
00:53:05
Yeah, about Maddie, because he was at the theater.
00:53:09
And so that would have actually she was, she had started right
00:53:12
about then. That would probably prove that
00:53:15
she had set him up. You know, she was setting him up
00:53:18
because she was like, oh, it's time.
00:53:21
It's time. Let me tell.
00:53:26
You, because if anything, she could have been planning to do
00:53:29
something in the theater. That's true.
00:53:32
And she needed him to do that. That is true.
00:53:38
A theater full of people. A theater full of people.
00:53:40
Just being a watching the music, man, I can never watch that
00:53:45
musical now because yeah. That was traumatizing.
00:53:52
But the the other interesting thing is the fact that she
00:53:58
really was taking the information that Lily was giving
00:54:01
her to try to find her dad, because we find out that she was
00:54:05
the one that was in the cemetery the night that they tried to
00:54:10
call, you know, the spirit. It wasn't actually Pennywise
00:54:14
that they brought well, or maybe.
00:54:17
It it, it was Pennywise. But she was there.
00:54:21
She was there. She was there and she's the
00:54:24
she's the clown that Will got the picture of inside the crypt.
00:54:29
Which makes sense because none of the pictures of Pennywise,
00:54:33
the pieces of Pennywise were blank.
00:54:35
Yeah, like he was in them. But the one picture that she was
00:54:38
in, she was. Still there?
00:54:40
Yeah. And then all of the pictures
00:54:42
that they took of the the images of Phil and the ghost and Teddy
00:54:49
and. All of the pictures of it.
00:54:51
Because all of that was it. Yeah, well, I'm saying also to
00:54:55
them it looked like they're friends.
00:54:57
I did wonder why the wig was so weird in the pictures.
00:55:01
I just thought maybe it was distorted because of the camera,
00:55:04
but it makes But now that you see it's just her crazy wig that
00:55:07
her wig. Yeah, that was.
00:55:09
Cute. I don't know these clowns who
00:55:11
thought these clowns are great. Like these are the worst looking
00:55:14
clowns I've ever seen in my life.
00:55:16
If if I was a kid, I mean, even as an adult, I no, I mean, the,
00:55:21
the, the, the only thing close that I have come to seeing a
00:55:26
clown that was kind of sort of on that spooky spectrum was you
00:55:31
got, have you guys heard of Puddles the Clown?
00:55:34
Yeah, I've seen a total show live.
00:55:37
He looks like Terrifier. He looks like that clown
00:55:40
Terrifier. So yeah, but I.
00:55:45
Oh, I did a podcast with Gary on his show Podcast of Amantiato
00:55:50
where we talked about clowns. You sure did.
00:55:54
He's really good did. You guys talk about Pennywise
00:55:57
because I think I only lived until like half of that one and
00:56:00
then I had to go work, but. Yeah, we talked about the
00:56:04
terrified clown. Yeah.
00:56:07
See, I don't even know what that I don't even know what that
00:56:10
clown looks like. Like I hear enough people talk
00:56:13
about Terra Fire. I'm like anytime I see anything
00:56:16
that mentions it, I turn away. I'm like, I think that's a
00:56:20
little bit outside of my wheelhouse.
00:56:23
So if you're listening, go check it out.
00:56:24
Podcast of Amatiado real good. I'll, I'll link it in the show
00:56:30
notes. But OK, so, so we're going to,
00:56:33
we're going to wrap up on Miss Curse because we spent a lot of
00:56:36
time talking about her, but basically, yeah, she she got
00:56:40
issues and and Lily is now realizing that.
00:56:44
And I feel so bad for her because she has the artifact
00:56:48
with her again. She's keeping the artifact with
00:56:50
her like this thing is. My precious.
00:56:53
Yeah, like her precious. So when Miss Curse tries to, I
00:56:58
don't know, tries to grab her, hug her, comfort her again, she
00:57:01
cuts her on the hand and she runs out the house and Miss
00:57:05
Curse actually tries to grab her and she leaves a a bloody
00:57:08
handprint on Lily's shirt. But Lily is riding her bike down
00:57:12
the street and she just lets out this how?
00:57:15
And I felt so bad for this baby because I was like, she can't
00:57:20
catch a fucking break right now. Her friends are not around her.
00:57:29
Her the the one person she she trusted has turned out to be a
00:57:34
little cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. Her mom ain't never there
00:57:37
because mom is trying to work to support them.
00:57:40
Dad is gone out. I just feel so bad for this
00:57:42
little girl. And it's like then she's sitting
00:57:45
in the episode with the things that Pennywise said to her in
00:57:49
her head, Oh, you're such a good, you know, you keep
00:57:53
bringing me people because such a good friend, but you're such a
00:57:57
bad dog. Like she was living with this
00:57:59
rent free in her head. To the point, which is why I
00:58:03
think she's also not giving up that dagger is because she
00:58:08
probably doesn't have it while she's holding the dagger.
00:58:12
Like, it's probably, you know, blocking out Pennywise's effects
00:58:17
while she's coding. It could be, yeah.
00:58:19
My thing is we need to chop some pieces off and make everybody
00:58:22
like a supernatural medallion or Talisman or something like what
00:58:27
are we doing? So I just, I don't understand,
00:58:29
like Anthony said, like why did we leave chunks of this thing in
00:58:33
the earth? Why didn't y'all take more?
00:58:35
I mean, she wouldn't know this, of course, but yeah, you know
00:58:38
what, Y'all are right that that kid does look a little bit
00:58:41
older. So she might be like maybe 12-13
00:58:45
in the picture. The one of of first when she
00:58:50
was. Little she was little she was
00:58:51
with her dad. OK, I just couldn't remember how
00:58:54
old she looked. Yeah, but but yeah, I mean, even
00:58:59
even when she's in the classroom, she's in the
00:59:01
classroom. She's spaced out.
00:59:03
And then when she goes to open her desk to get her textbook,
00:59:07
she sees that image of her dad. I will never forgive them for
00:59:12
what they have done to Pickles. Right, right.
00:59:16
I have not had a pickle since that episode.
00:59:19
Oh yeah, because we've had trivia and you have.
00:59:22
You didn't want any fried Pickles?
00:59:24
I, I was the fried Pickles I can do, but I'm like one of those
00:59:28
people that used to go to the store and buy the big deal
00:59:30
pickle or I buy a jar of Pickles.
00:59:32
I I can't right now. Yes, I mean, I'm not going to
00:59:35
stop eating Pickles because they're my favorite, but like.
00:59:39
The visual, The visual is I, I, I got to give it a couple of
00:59:44
weeks or maybe a couple of months, because no.
00:59:47
I'm I'm also curious about about its powers because the the
00:59:55
Talisman or whatever you want to call it, it started glowing.
00:59:58
Yeah. In the classroom.
01:00:00
Oh, because. They're probably protecting her.
01:00:04
Because you know, like, so when it was all a whole whatever cage
01:00:08
or whatever it was around it, whoever put those markings on it
01:00:13
when they shipped them out and send them away or whatever they
01:00:15
did, it was, I feel like if that's part of what was keeping
01:00:18
him is that power. I don't think it really has
01:00:21
anything to do with the the actual material itself.
01:00:24
It's just whatever those rooms are that's keeping him.
01:00:28
In the in the book In the book didn't they call itself Eater of
01:00:32
Worlds? Yes, I remember something about
01:00:35
that. Yeah, that's crazy, right?
01:00:39
Which is crazy, right? Physically Eater of Worlds.
01:00:42
But yeah, I wonder if if it glowed because because she
01:00:46
manifested that vision and the the shark was like, no, we're
01:00:50
going to keep him away. We're going to keep him away.
01:00:52
Oh, she didn't manifest that vision.
01:00:54
Well, you know what I mean. It's like he, he brought it to
01:00:57
her, but because it was him and, and that's what it was, I think
01:00:59
it was, you know, trying. To I don't think you, I don't
01:01:03
think it was trying to protect it.
01:01:05
I think it just reacts to its presence.
01:01:09
Yeah. And I don't think he actively
01:01:12
does protecting. I think it's just it just glows.
01:01:16
OK, it glows, Yeah, but the rain.
01:01:20
Blows whenever the NASCAR and all them are.
01:01:24
All and the the. The dagger, Yeah, yeah.
01:01:30
But when she when she saw that. Now, I will say this, I
01:01:35
understand the adults are under some kind of influence or
01:01:40
whatever, but I'll be as adults who are showing no compassion to
01:01:46
this girl who are showing no kind of understanding.
01:01:49
Like she obviously is freaking out about something that she
01:01:53
sees on her desk. And the teachers like Lily
01:01:55
Bainbridge, you sit down, right? Do you not see that this child
01:02:00
is freaking out? Is it not like in you to go to
01:02:07
her and say, Lily, are you OK? You know what, this child has
01:02:10
been through her dad. They don't they they.
01:02:20
The adult, let me tell you, the adults in the way that they are
01:02:24
with these kids. And again, I understand if
01:02:26
they're under some influence, but even just the teacher, just
01:02:30
not having any compassion. The what?
01:02:36
And then she gets mad because Lily walks out the classroom.
01:02:38
I would too. Me too.
01:02:42
I probably would have slapped you once.
01:02:45
Yeah. Yeah, but you know, they did
01:02:48
they they didn't have no real like compassionation beat kids
01:02:52
with meter sticks. I know.
01:02:54
And stuff. Back then they didn't I.
01:02:57
Know I remember them days now rap on you with them stick
01:03:03
moving on since we're talking about slapping folks.
01:03:07
Who you want to slap, girl? Who you want to slap?
01:03:11
Let's talk about motherfucking Leroy.
01:03:14
Leroy and Jenkins. I need Leroy to pull himself
01:03:18
together too. Together OK, but you let me just
01:03:22
tell y'all you wouldn't you know I get it.
01:03:24
Black folks, we always because of how we were all raised, we
01:03:28
all come up with the the the corporal punishment thing and be
01:03:31
like each year and need they. But me, you know, we always
01:03:33
stand as black folks, but the amount of people who felt like
01:03:37
will deserve to be slapped in that situation.
01:03:41
Like I get it, he was mild enough, but like also he.
01:03:45
Was telling the truth. This stuff this boy is going
01:03:47
through, him and his friends are going through, these kids are
01:03:51
dying. It's not like this ain't a game
01:03:53
for him. Like he he treating Will like
01:03:55
he's like he playing games. Right.
01:03:58
Kid is traumatized and so you are now on that end where you're
01:04:03
seeing what he's going through and you're you're getting that
01:04:07
riled up that you just smacking your kid around because you're
01:04:09
so angry about what happened to you.
01:04:11
But what do you think he's freaking going through?
01:04:13
He's a child. But anyway, so that may be meant
01:04:19
because people are lying like hey, you just left him again and
01:04:23
all this stuff. And I'm like, no, because I, I
01:04:25
mean, literally, he was telling, he was telling the truth.
01:04:28
He said the truth. He was like, you want me to just
01:04:30
stay here and hide while my friends are in danger?
01:04:32
I'm not going to do that. And I mean, I, on the one hand,
01:04:35
I understand what Leroy is saying because you're a child.
01:04:38
What are you going to do? Like he has that.
01:04:41
You're a child, there's nothing you can do.
01:04:42
You need to let me handle it. I'm a grown up.
01:04:44
I get that part. He can't do nothing either.
01:04:46
But he's right and he is. And he still has witnessed what
01:04:50
he does with his help, right? Like his power.
01:04:53
He don't kill his friend 'cause he ain't he.
01:04:56
Ain't part you? Know because and the.
01:04:59
Big really. His friends walked out of there.
01:05:00
So we're all alive. And it was because they were
01:05:03
together and they were helping each other.
01:05:07
So yeah, when I say Leroy was getting on my nerves in this
01:05:12
episode, and then when Will was telling him, he was like, it's
01:05:15
gotten to you. Yeah, yeah.
01:05:18
He's like Nah, Nah, this is just me.
01:05:21
And then it was not when you and your kid, then you're going to
01:05:26
tell Charlotte later on. It's it's just, you know, all
01:05:29
this stuff that happened in the sewer, You know, that's not me.
01:05:32
That's not me, bro. You basically saying what your
01:05:35
son already said? Yeah, but also, again, the thing
01:05:42
that we have to think about, the whole thing with him not having
01:05:45
the fear. So he is coming across as anger.
01:05:49
Yeah. I get it, but sheltering your
01:05:54
child, first of all you're already whole withholding stuff
01:05:59
from them, you know what I'm saying?
01:06:01
And granted you in the military, I get it.
01:06:03
That's your priority. Cuz he pissed me off with that
01:06:06
too when he was talking to Charlotte.
01:06:08
But this is your priority, whatever your first priority
01:06:11
needs to be towards your son. Because what?
01:06:15
Now you know, Now you know this thing is targeting children.
01:06:19
Right. You know your son is MD
01:06:21
Crosshairs. Literally.
01:06:27
Literally like several times he didn't almost died because of
01:06:31
this thing and you, you mad. No, like I don't know.
01:06:37
I just, I had so much PTSDI was like Oh my God, I was so mad.
01:06:44
It's just like grown people, don't they?
01:06:49
I mean, there's some things I think kids obviously should be
01:06:51
disciplined for, but kids do not need to be hit and smacked
01:06:54
around because you're angry. That is something you do not
01:06:57
beat children over. And they also don't need to be
01:07:02
hit and smacked around when they are aware of the situation
01:07:06
that's going on. Yeah, but you see what's
01:07:10
happening, yeah. Right.
01:07:11
It's not like he told you something that was untrue.
01:07:15
And also he's doing what you told him to do.
01:07:19
Yeah, you told me that. The what?
01:07:24
What did he say? The the the sign of being a man
01:07:27
is having friends and doing what you can to help them out.
01:07:30
Whatever he was like. I have friends now.
01:07:33
Think about the way he said. I have friends now.
01:07:36
He didn't have friends before. I have friends now and my
01:07:40
friends. Need me?
01:07:42
Remember when they first came, he was talking to Charlotte
01:07:44
about it. He was complaining about him not
01:07:46
being more like him or not being, you know.
01:07:48
And that is actually what the problem is, because no, he
01:07:53
shouldn't have hit him in anger. Well that what he did is not
01:07:59
equal punishment to being hit like that.
01:08:01
So either way, if people agreed on that.
01:08:03
I mean that was. A little much that was Yeah,
01:08:06
that was. And you're doing it not because
01:08:09
you just mad that you you shot your friend.
01:08:13
And your son called you out on? It right, but if they had a
01:08:17
better relationship, it could have worked.
01:08:20
It could have been different when that happened because then
01:08:23
Will can be like, Dad, you, you losing control.
01:08:27
I think he has gotten to you. But because they're not
01:08:30
connected, like he's going to have to repair this later.
01:08:34
Yeah. And that's what Charlie told us,
01:08:37
right? Because you, you don't have.
01:08:38
He's closer to his mom. Because you don't listen to him.
01:08:41
You didn't want to go fishing. You finally got some friends.
01:08:45
You don't really know what he likes.
01:08:47
You don't. You're not listening to him.
01:08:50
Y'all both seen some some crazy shit the last couple of days.
01:08:54
So can we sit down and feel mom in and tell her like I
01:08:58
understand her. I understand son.
01:09:00
Maybe we can get your friends to spend the night over here.
01:09:03
That right and then I figure something out for away from
01:09:07
there. You want to protect your
01:09:08
friends. Let me go with you.
01:09:10
We bring them over here. Let's have a slumber.
01:09:12
Part because that's the other thing that pissed me off when he
01:09:14
told Charlotte you need to stay out of this because you don't
01:09:17
know what's going on. That's part of the problem.
01:09:19
Part of the problem. That's part of the.
01:09:21
Problem there is a crazy looking clown the turn into things and
01:09:31
you don't feel the need that's coming after the kids but.
01:09:35
Right. And it's coming after your kids
01:09:36
because that's the one thing. Like if it was something.
01:09:38
And you know that it is that was trapped.
01:09:40
On base and it was like the Army had control over it maybe, but
01:09:45
this ain't something that's the Army got control over.
01:09:48
This is something in our town, under our home, attacking our
01:09:52
children and you just. You put us in the cage with the
01:09:59
monster. He was like, I didn't know.
01:10:01
But when you found out, you still didn't do shit about it.
01:10:04
Right. And you're still not.
01:10:05
We're still not having the conversation.
01:10:07
Right, or or even just telling her like he was like you don't
01:10:11
understand Charlotte. This thing, this thing got in my
01:10:14
mind. It changed itself.
01:10:16
It was, you know, because I think he's telling her, but he's
01:10:19
also telling her in a way that she's like, what the fuck are
01:10:23
you talking about? Like you're not having AI
01:10:25
understand. This is not the time to have a
01:10:27
calm rational discussion, but you got to do better than what
01:10:31
you doing because. Keep packing up bro.
01:10:34
Yeah. Right.
01:10:35
She's like, I could go help it. Oh, by the way, yes, I'm helping
01:10:39
the escaped quote UN quote murderer and you can feel
01:10:42
however you want to feel about it.
01:10:44
But this what I'm going to do and then I'm going to take your
01:10:46
son and we going back to Shreveport with or without you.
01:10:51
Yeah, and honestly. When he tried to talk to her and
01:10:54
he was telling her, he was like, look, I'm just messed up in my
01:10:56
mind about Polly. And she went to go hug him.
01:10:58
I was like, OK, maybe this is the start.
01:11:01
And then he was like, I'm doing so much to try to protect this
01:11:03
country. She.
01:11:04
Backed up because we don't went back to the country.
01:11:07
Why? Why are you?
01:11:08
Why are we not we not who is lying to you, right?
01:11:11
Like and you literally just slapped your son and he ran out
01:11:17
and you worried about the country right now.
01:11:21
You need to worry about your son.
01:11:24
Because my thing is so this is the thing that would really like
01:11:26
made me be like, OK, maybe I need to retire early.
01:11:30
You, you got a man telling you that there's this thing out here
01:11:34
that if we get a hold of it, it's so powerful that it we can
01:11:39
we can control the whole Cold War.
01:11:44
That didn't that didn't give you some kind of pause.
01:11:46
Like, I don't understand why that alone did not give him
01:11:49
pause. They're talking about something
01:11:51
that puts so much fear in people, they can stop a whole
01:11:54
war from happening, right? Right.
01:11:56
Then you tried that same shit with with Dick where he's like,
01:12:02
you need to get yourself together to help protect this
01:12:04
country. Listen, he was like.
01:12:07
Get the fuck out of here with that.
01:12:11
We do what we can to take this country.
01:12:13
So you need to do your duty to your country you like, right?
01:12:17
So you know, what if you got to talk to the ghost to find out
01:12:20
where this is and the ghost got to come in, you just got to do
01:12:22
it one time and then you can lock them back away in the box.
01:12:25
They said, well, what if I can't do that?
01:12:29
I was like, you know what Leroy, you starting to get on my
01:12:32
nerves. No, he's been getting on my.
01:12:34
Nerves in the worst way. Since day one.
01:12:38
Because you were not. First of all, you are in the
01:12:46
military. And I've never been in the
01:12:51
military, but my dad was in the military.
01:12:53
I know a lot of people in the military and I see what the
01:12:56
military does. You know, publicly you best
01:13:02
believe that General and telling him all the truth.
01:13:04
He was telling them everything. Right.
01:13:08
That's what he told them. Wasn't enough for me to want to.
01:13:10
I wouldn't want to have nothing to do with that because I
01:13:12
didn't. It just doesn't sound right.
01:13:14
And again, going back to the whole plan when they went to 29
01:13:18
Nebolt St. you're talking about going to retrieve these 13
01:13:23
artifacts and moving them closer to KHM.
01:13:26
You didn't have enough manpower to do that.
01:13:28
So something you are saying is not right, but you just don't
01:13:34
believe what they're telling you because, and I don't know if
01:13:39
this has to do with ego. I don't know if it's because,
01:13:42
oh, OK, well, I'm the only person who can do this.
01:13:44
So, you know, they're, they're letting me in on this top secret
01:13:48
mission, whatever classified mission, whatever, whatever do.
01:13:51
Your son has almost died several times over, including once by
01:13:57
your own hand. I think you need to say fuck the
01:14:01
military at this point and figure out what the fuck is
01:14:04
going on in Derry and get your get your they.
01:14:08
Go. Right, because at this point.
01:14:14
Put in order to be moved. Or not even that y'all.
01:14:20
So y'all. So they sit on finding this
01:14:22
entity, go AWOL because guess what?
01:14:25
The further they get away from Derry, they going to forget
01:14:27
about Pennywise. They might forget why you went
01:14:29
AWOL. You.
01:14:31
You will be. Fine.
01:14:32
You will be fine, your your son and your wife will be safe.
01:14:38
But right now all three of y'all are on Penny Wise's radar at
01:14:44
this point, even if he hasn't come after Charlotte.
01:14:47
Charlotte has her hands in enough pots that she's going to
01:14:52
get pulled into it somehow. Penny Wise has already disguised
01:14:56
itself as her. Yes, she's she's fully involved
01:15:00
in this Hank Grogan thing, which we see by the end of this
01:15:03
episode is about to go to shit. Yeah, and she he, she actually
01:15:07
saw the cops face change wimp any wise.
01:15:11
So she's actually seen them and just didn't realize what it was.
01:15:14
Right. And if Leroy would just listen
01:15:16
to himself like I, I, I killed my best friend is dead.
01:15:22
I almost killed my son. Yeah, dude.
01:15:25
And you saw your you saw the theme change into your wife.
01:15:30
And then after you shot it in the head, it still woke up and
01:15:32
went. Yeah, and swim away.
01:15:36
Just listen to your own self. It's time to go.
01:15:40
It's time to go. Dairy is not the place to to
01:15:44
make roots. I'm like, I'm like Dick man, you
01:15:47
better get out of here with that bullshit.
01:15:49
Let. Me tell you.
01:15:52
Poor Dick, he don't been through it.
01:15:54
Dick at this point. Dick and Lily, they have been
01:15:57
through it. They have been through it and
01:15:59
both of them are done. Lily is letting out the howl of
01:16:03
all house and Dick is literally telling his officer fuck you I
01:16:09
don't care what you. Get the people get.
01:16:14
Out because this man has been missing for a day.
01:16:21
You come in and he tells you you like, what's going on?
01:16:25
You were in the tunnels for a day.
01:16:26
He was like, well, this thing I got, it allows me to see things
01:16:30
from a young age. This man just told you he'd been
01:16:33
seeing dead people since he was nine years old, that it was so
01:16:37
bad. Had to lock them away in an
01:16:41
imaginary box in his head. Yeah, and he's so beat up now he
01:16:46
can't even get them back in the box.
01:16:49
It it came and just ripped that top right on off.
01:16:52
And laughed while it did it. And.
01:16:58
And you want to see him be like, OK, well, do you see him now?
01:17:01
Yeah, they're in here. There's a couple of them in
01:17:03
here. Well, can you talk to no,
01:17:05
because if I talk to you say as long as I, as long as I shut up,
01:17:09
don't say nothing. They don't even notice I'm here.
01:17:12
But if I were to say anything, it would be like noise.
01:17:16
And and again, going back to our comparisons, I have a feeling
01:17:19
like if you watched Umbrella Academy, when Klaus is is off
01:17:25
his drugs, all of the ghosts are coming to him and they're
01:17:30
talking to him. And I feel like that's what Dick
01:17:34
goes through if if he allows that to happen.
01:17:38
It's like that it's like in in ghosts when Whoopi Goldberg's
01:17:41
character, yes, when her she empowers manifested.
01:17:44
She talked to one they see, you know, looks like they all.
01:17:48
Oh, you want to have conversations with us?
01:17:50
OK, let me tell you what's what's going on with me.
01:17:52
OK, let me tell you what I need you to do.
01:17:54
It's too much. And then for somebody with his
01:17:57
kind of abilities, I can't, I don't even want to imagine what
01:18:02
that's like. And then for you to have the
01:18:05
unmitigated girl to be like, well, you can just do it once
01:18:08
you got to do it for your country.
01:18:09
I mean because first and foremost you are an airman for.
01:18:13
Your man first class. Get out of here with that
01:18:16
bullshit, he said. Get the fuck out of here.
01:18:19
Get the fuck out of here with that.
01:18:20
And, and rightfully so, because that's because your ass ain't
01:18:25
scared. Yeah, no, me and the rest of us
01:18:28
ain't. The rest of us got good sense.
01:18:31
Or or just like you, sometimes you got to question orders like
01:18:34
what is wrong with you? How are you not questioning
01:18:37
orders at this point? And I love that line where he
01:18:40
says General Shaw's calling him. And go lick his.
01:18:44
Boots. You know what he.
01:18:45
Needs your your boot licker. You can't talk to me like that.
01:18:49
I just, I was laughing. I said, you know what, he
01:18:56
deserves it because he really is not looking at this with his
01:19:01
eyes open. And I don't know if it's that
01:19:04
whole thing with the brain damage that's just making him
01:19:06
that detached. I'm sure that's part of it, but
01:19:10
some of it I also feel like there's a there's a bit of
01:19:14
arrogance with Leroy that. Oh, OK.
01:19:17
Well, I'm going to take care of it.
01:19:18
Oh, we're going to be we're going to move away from the
01:19:21
house. We're going to be on base.
01:19:22
And that thing is not going to bother you.
01:19:23
I promise. Bruh.
01:19:24
You can't make the time every main do not make promises.
01:19:28
You can't keep Harriet point blank.
01:19:33
Because. You don't even know what you're
01:19:35
making promises about. Why?
01:19:37
You don't know anything. But you know, he, I guess his
01:19:42
whatever crash he had where, where he almost died.
01:19:46
You know, they say stuff like that changes your life, changes
01:19:49
your outlook. Maybe that combined with with
01:19:53
the the brain damage is making him like this.
01:19:58
And, and I wouldn't doubt it, but and, and I mean.
01:20:02
I can't even understand it, that no man, I got to like it.
01:20:04
That no man, I'm not going to give him shit about it.
01:20:07
You being an ass right now and your family is in danger and you
01:20:12
worried about the wrong thing. Oh, we're going to do what we
01:20:16
got to do for the military because that's what they told us
01:20:18
to do. I think.
01:20:20
I think Dick was trying to get locked up.
01:20:24
I think he was trying to get. Like maybe so he wouldn't have
01:20:26
to do it anymore. Like, because you know, if he's
01:20:29
available, they're going to make him go back out.
01:20:31
There, but I also think they're not going to lock him up for
01:20:34
that specific. Reason because.
01:20:36
He's too valuable a resource for them, which is he suck.
01:20:43
Terrible. And again, like, we don't know
01:20:46
what it was that he did to put those things in that box.
01:20:51
But also, he was 9 when he did it.
01:20:56
He's a grown man now. He's had other experiences.
01:20:59
He's had life experiences he might not be able to.
01:21:03
When you're 9, your life experience is so limited.
01:21:09
Yeah. It was probably, yeah, easier
01:21:11
for him to focus, like, OK, I don't want to deal with these
01:21:14
things. I'm going to put them in this
01:21:15
box and I'm going to keep it locked up.
01:21:17
But now you got so much other stuff going on, and not only
01:21:22
that, you have this real fear about what this thing is because
01:21:26
you can feel it. How are you supposed to focus
01:21:30
enough to to do that? Yeah, it's not.
01:21:34
It's not going to let you focus enough.
01:21:36
He's going to leave, it feels like.
01:21:38
Oh, he's trying to lock him up in there.
01:21:40
I like where you are right now. And then on top of all of that,
01:21:47
he goes to the black spot, which is the place that he secured for
01:21:50
his friends. He goes to try to get him some
01:21:54
some some drink and some relaxation and y'all got to
01:21:58
outlaw outlaw hanging out. He said no, no, no, no, no, no,
01:22:06
no. He was like and when Hank was
01:22:09
like, I'll be quiet. I'll just stay back here in the
01:22:13
room. He.
01:22:13
Said this ain't a magic room, he said.
01:22:17
You're going to bring down a lot of trouble on us.
01:22:20
And I was like, Yep, Yep. Because we talked about it and
01:22:24
we see what happens towards the end of the episode because
01:22:27
again, somebody done tipped off the cops.
01:22:30
We know who that. Is right and and at this point
01:22:36
you got all your friends in this little droop joint.
01:22:39
Y'all are having a good time. Y'all are partying, partying.
01:22:42
Y'all are singing. The kids will Marge and Rich,
01:22:48
they've come in because they want to talk to Ronnie because
01:22:52
again, they had their big blow up earlier.
01:22:55
Ronnie is like, we're not going back down there.
01:22:57
You almost got us killed. I'm staying with my daddy, you
01:23:01
know. She was like, I'm not doing none
01:23:04
of this because that that little argument she and Lily had, I
01:23:07
mean, she went off. She was like, look, you, I wish
01:23:09
you'd never come to my house, she said.
01:23:11
Because if y'all hadn't come to my house, we wouldn't have been
01:23:14
in that theater and my dad wouldn't be on the run.
01:23:16
Lily was like, you got it easy. She said.
01:23:19
You were up in the booth. You didn't have to see them.
01:23:22
I saw what happened. I was the only one that came out
01:23:26
of there alive so. And she felt guilty about Maddie
01:23:32
on top of that. So she has a lot of like.
01:23:36
Yeah. And for her, she's like, if we
01:23:41
can kill this thing, if we if this thing, if it's scared of
01:23:44
this thing and we can kill it, all of us can sleep.
01:23:49
All of us would be better. And I'm sorry for with
01:23:53
everything that she's gone through, it don't seem that
01:23:56
crazy a plan to me. Yeah, because at this point, you
01:23:59
can either go try to kill that thing or you can let that thing
01:24:02
make you crazy to death or actually kill you, eat you.
01:24:06
And again, she has seen what that looks like.
01:24:09
What it looks like, Yeah, now I get that.
01:24:11
I do get where Ronnie was coming from, though, because Ronnie was
01:24:14
like you. You convinced us with your
01:24:17
anchor and whatever. I forgot the other metaphor.
01:24:22
You like she did kind of like hype them up and like make them
01:24:26
feel a certain kind of way because all of them was like, I
01:24:28
don't know if I want to say I'm not an anchor, but I feel like I
01:24:31
should be anchoring today. And so I get where Ronnie was
01:24:35
coming from because she, you know, she did kind of like push
01:24:38
them. They're like, come on, guys, we
01:24:39
can do this and whatever because we have this, this, this, this
01:24:44
collaboration of of eating, eating.
01:24:47
But it was those things that they ate anxiety pills or
01:24:50
whatever. We have the Valium.
01:24:52
We can. Do this.
01:24:55
And so here she comes again after that crazy.
01:24:58
You got us out, took us down and got us killed almost.
01:25:02
So I I do understand where Ronnie's coming from.
01:25:05
It's but it's, you know, it's all fear.
01:25:06
And then like Richie, Richie is so smart, he said.
01:25:11
Guys, don't let him push us against each other.
01:25:15
Like that's what he wants. What he wants.
01:25:17
This is what he wants and I'm like but my precious.
01:25:23
Right. But the other thing with the
01:25:26
kids, before we go back to the Juke joint, I feel sorry for
01:25:30
Lily too, because she's the only one not paired up at this point.
01:25:35
Because Will and Ronnie got this little cute little thing going
01:25:38
on. And Rich and Marge have this
01:25:41
cute little thing going on. And I think it was so funny
01:25:44
because I think Anthony was like, I actually like them
01:25:47
together. He was like, I don't usually
01:25:48
like. I don't.
01:25:51
You know, the whole romance thing.
01:25:53
I don't, I don't care for romance stuff, but Marge and
01:25:56
Rich. They make a cute little cool.
01:25:59
Oh, they. Were so adorable.
01:26:01
Him helping her with her little. Patch.
01:26:04
Oh, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen, baby.
01:26:08
But I would have punched him dead in his face when he started
01:26:10
licking my bandage. Like, yeah, I was like, oh.
01:26:13
God, 60s. That's what they did.
01:26:17
Yeah, shout out. We Webblo.
01:26:20
I was a Webblo. We Webblo OK.
01:26:25
But the. The.
01:26:26
The coolest thing with the there were there were two actually
01:26:29
like really, really cool moments with the kids in this episode.
01:26:33
The first one was in the cafeteria when the Patty cakes
01:26:36
came over to talk to Marge. And they were like, oh, you
01:26:39
know, they're still talking shit about Lily.
01:26:41
Oh, it's a good thing that you survived.
01:26:44
You know, you're you're you're almost killing at the hands of
01:26:47
Lily. Is is, you know, at least you
01:26:49
didn't take your second eye. And Marge is like, that's not
01:26:52
what happened. Well, why don't you come to our
01:26:54
table and tell us what happened? Is sitting over here with the
01:26:57
nerds and Rich is looking at her and all the other kids at the at
01:27:03
her. I'm just looking at Mars like So
01:27:11
what you going to do? Obviously, if you're sitting at
01:27:14
the quote UN quote nerd table, you know everybody thinks you're
01:27:17
a nerd. So if they call you a nerd,
01:27:19
you're not surprised. You're looking at March like OK,
01:27:22
you sitting over here with us and she calling you out with.
01:27:24
What? Are you going to do but she.
01:27:27
Don't do March. And she has the courage now
01:27:29
because her and Rich, they had this cute little interaction
01:27:32
before where he gives her the iPads and she talked, They talk
01:27:36
about nights and and pirates and it's really, really cute.
01:27:39
And when when Patty is like, so you going to come sit with us or
01:27:42
you going to sit over here with the freaks?
01:27:45
She just looks at her. Then she stands up and she's she
01:27:50
says, Patty, I am a freak. She takes the bandage and the
01:27:54
eye patch off and she but I say. I'm like, I'm so glad her
01:28:01
character like developed and changed 'cause I wanted her dead
01:28:05
in the beginning. But that little girl who was
01:28:08
over there dry haven cause Mars. I was like, Michelle, is she dry
01:28:17
haven, 'cause she ain't talking, she she's doing something.
01:28:22
She doing something. I was like, is she about to
01:28:24
throw it? Like, did she scare her that
01:28:26
much? But Oh no, you know what it was?
01:28:29
She was chewing gum. Before, I was just about to say
01:28:32
she probably was. Oh.
01:28:33
OK, she. Was chewing that I think about
01:28:35
it because I remember looking at her face when Patty was talking
01:28:38
to Marge, because she was. Yeah, but.
01:28:41
This when they always chews gum, Yes Yeah.
01:28:44
So when Marge scared them I guess she got choked from.
01:28:48
Dad, but she won't say Nan nails.
01:28:52
And that was the moment when Rich really fell in love because
01:28:56
he was looking at her life like she's a kind of my dreams.
01:29:02
And then the two of them in the two joint.
01:29:06
So. Cute.
01:29:07
And the and the special the the the air.
01:29:11
Force the Air Force coke. But did he?
01:29:14
Did he put ramen in the coke? Yes.
01:29:17
Yeah, he did even. If you watched it, if you watch
01:29:21
he has a bottle, he turns around.
01:29:23
Most of them like I just. Did but Adam saw and he said did
01:29:28
he? Just get him some rain.
01:29:32
Because I was wondering why they was talking about freedom coke
01:29:35
and white tasted party because I I must have looked away or
01:29:39
something because I didn't remember.
01:29:40
That was very quick it. Was very quick.
01:29:43
Very quick. He he, he said what Coke coming
01:29:46
up. He grabbed that bottle and
01:29:47
turned around. This Coke tastes funny.
01:29:51
That was like, it tastes like freedom.
01:29:53
Freedom. And then later on, March is
01:29:56
like, I like Air Force coke. But the second coolest moment
01:30:04
with the kids, they're in the jute joint.
01:30:07
Will is in the back trying to talk to Ronnie about, you know,
01:30:10
hey, we all need to be together if we're going to go after this
01:30:13
thing. And then he starts talking to
01:30:15
Hank. Marge and Rich are out and
01:30:20
they're just looking at everybody.
01:30:21
You know, everybody's dancing. They're playing music.
01:30:24
You've got the little, the little cute little white girl
01:30:27
soul singer. She was good.
01:30:29
And and one of the guys sees Rich's drumsticks in his
01:30:34
pockets, so he comes over. He was like, hey, sticks, do you
01:30:37
play? He said.
01:30:38
We got a drummer, but he's indisposed.
01:30:40
The drummer sitting over on the couch, knocked out drunk,
01:30:43
sleeping. So he gives Rich, let me tell
01:30:49
you, Rich. He, he, he puts Rich on the
01:30:53
drums. Rich like a little something.
01:30:56
He gets on the drums and tears up.
01:30:59
He is jamming with the black folks and like, like Dina's name
01:31:04
says, he is invited to the cookout.
01:31:06
Invited to the cookout. Richie was doing it, and Marge
01:31:10
was looking at him like she was looking at him with all new
01:31:12
eyes. I think that's when she fell in
01:31:14
love. I was like, yeah.
01:31:16
Because he was just like, you know?
01:31:19
Looking at him like spin it. And that that actually kind of
01:31:24
really fits though, because he's like, he's Cuban.
01:31:27
He's like probably got a lot of different types of music in
01:31:31
this, you know, household. He probably listened to some
01:31:35
jazz, you know, he probably doing all of that.
01:31:38
Yeah, Honey, he. Because when she said you think
01:31:40
we should, you think we should go, he was like, Nah, I.
01:31:43
Think we don't think that is good.
01:31:45
It was good. And then when they started doing
01:31:48
the dance and they were doing the little freaky dancing, he
01:31:51
was like, oh, what are they doing?
01:31:54
And I was like, I think they're dancing.
01:31:57
He was like, I've never seen dancing like.
01:32:02
That's that dancing your parents keep you from.
01:32:05
Yes, but they were so cute. And then of course, you know,
01:32:08
they're outside. I mean, they're inside.
01:32:11
And then you have two of the two of the people who were at the
01:32:15
party outside. They're talking, flirting,
01:32:17
whatever, and all these cars start pulling up, Start pulling
01:32:21
up. I was like, no people.
01:32:22
No. Oh, but but before that, you see
01:32:27
angry at putting on her costume. Oh.
01:32:32
Yeah, And I was thinking, oh, man, if something goes down, no
01:32:37
one's going to believe that it was a monster.
01:32:39
They're just going to say this woman was a serious.
01:32:43
Yeah, yeah. Which is what?
01:32:46
You know what? And I actually would not be mad
01:32:51
if she was accused of, you know what I'm saying?
01:32:53
I would not be mad at that because at least that would get
01:32:55
handcuffed for me from from being put in jail.
01:32:58
That's right. You know I wouldn't even be mad
01:33:01
and she crazed as a bestie bug trying to you know, feed
01:33:04
children so her daddy will come back.
01:33:05
So maybe she do need to go to jail.
01:33:08
Or, or the Juniper Hill. She need to look.
01:33:11
She needs to go from the employee to the patients.
01:33:15
She ain't wrapped too tight. Ma'am, ma'am, you're going
01:33:18
through the wrong entrance, patient entrance that way.
01:33:22
Preage this way please. Listen, but when those cars
01:33:27
start pulling up and the two people outside they're looking,
01:33:30
they're like, were you? Were y'all expecting any more
01:33:33
people? I.
01:33:36
Was first of all, let's talk about these.
01:33:38
Let's talk about these cowards. Coward masks.
01:33:43
Masks, don't they? Well, let let's even go back
01:33:47
because Chief Bowers is no longer Chief Bowers because of
01:33:52
everything that happened. I guess they blame him for the
01:33:56
quote UN quote animal attack that allowed Hank Rogan to
01:33:59
escape. So they relieved some of his
01:34:01
duties. So he comes into the bar while
01:34:04
everyone is trying, they're discussing like, oh, the
01:34:07
murderer is still free. What we going to do?
01:34:10
He was like, you know, they're they're trying to decide where
01:34:12
they're going to search for him or we're going to go to the to
01:34:15
the barons. Oh no, he's not there.
01:34:17
I know where he is. We had a we had an anonymous tip
01:34:20
called in. I was like, no, she didn't.
01:34:23
Yes, she, she. Did.
01:34:25
And I love her and only be cursed at this point.
01:34:28
Well, they made sure to say a woman.
01:34:31
And they can only be cursed at this point because we know
01:34:33
Charlotte and Tell. Right, right.
01:34:36
And nobody else knows he's there.
01:34:38
Right. So they're like, OK, well, if
01:34:40
you know where he is, chief, why don't you go arrest him?
01:34:42
He was like, I can't do that because as the call came in, I
01:34:46
was cleaning out my desk because I've been relieved of my duties.
01:34:49
He was like, I can't even give him a parking ticket right now.
01:34:52
They're like, So what you come and tell us for?
01:34:54
Oh, because you're about to make, you're about to round up
01:34:57
that mob I talked about two episodes ago to go and and mess
01:35:01
with them. So here they are pulling up at
01:35:04
the Juke joint and this is where the episode is.
01:35:06
But I'm like, if you look at the cars that just pulled up, you
01:35:15
know that ain't your fault. Yeah, especially considering
01:35:19
most of your fault. So the moment they come at you
01:35:25
and they have their brights on to the point where you have to
01:35:28
be like this and then what was it?
01:35:31
You want to dim them? Light some bro, bro, you talking
01:35:35
to the wrong person? Because the moment you see some
01:35:38
of those cars, some of those cars, especially if you are in
01:35:41
the town, you should know who some of those cars belong to.
01:35:45
Right now they be on the base, though they really sit on the
01:35:49
base. But they but the but the other
01:35:51
like the the girl she she's probably a Tammy.
01:35:56
That's true. You know, like they're probably
01:35:58
just. There's some just from the from
01:36:02
the area. Yeah, but they get out the car,
01:36:06
they've got all masks and they've all and and they've got
01:36:09
guns. Powers.
01:36:12
Painting man, can't never do shady shit and show your face.
01:36:16
Because you're, you're, you're the prominent people.
01:36:18
I mean, Mr. Kirsch was in that crowd, in the in the bar.
01:36:22
It's always the ones that that the nice town folk, you know.
01:36:26
Mr. Kirsch was in there and. Stan.
01:36:30
And what's the name's dad is Stan As soon as his daddy was in
01:36:33
there. Yeah.
01:36:35
Or feeling Susie. I don't want to be fair, feeling
01:36:38
Susie's daddy was in there. He's literally the only person
01:36:41
out of that crew that I can understand him being angry
01:36:45
enough to go set some people on fire.
01:36:47
If it was my kids, I probably if I thought somebody killed my
01:36:50
kids, I probably would lose my mind and go try to kill some
01:36:53
people, Right. But the rest of them, they just
01:36:56
really just wanted to kill some Negroes.
01:36:57
That's that's. That's what it was even in the
01:37:00
beginning of the episode when they're putting Hanks wanted
01:37:04
posters around the town. You see everybody walking down
01:37:08
the street with their guns and they're all gathering in the
01:37:11
square. And like all the other people
01:37:13
who aren't gathering with the guns more more mostly the the
01:37:17
women, they're just walking, not paying no attention.
01:37:21
Like it's not a big deal to them.
01:37:23
I, I told Michelle, when we saw that scene with all the people,
01:37:26
all the dudes walking around with shotguns and rifle, I said
01:37:29
they they think he's just going to walk out of the bakery, like
01:37:33
he's just going to walk into the town square.
01:37:36
Yeah, they they just need, they just need a excuse to carry
01:37:42
their external appendages around.
01:37:45
Towers. Yeah, yeah, you're right.
01:37:47
Because we already know, like I said, that's how the episode
01:37:50
ends. But we already know where this
01:37:52
is about to go. Yeah, we already know it's and
01:37:55
and I don't remember the same much from the book, but I do
01:37:58
know that was like one of the big the big events.
01:38:03
So we already know this is about to go wrong and the fact that
01:38:08
Will and Ronnie and Rich and Marge are all in the building
01:38:13
with when this goes on. And like I said, the singer that
01:38:17
they have in there is a is a little white girl probably from
01:38:20
town. Yeah, it's about to be some
01:38:24
mess. All because put Hank Rogan in
01:38:30
there. Yeah.
01:38:32
And yeah, I think The thing is they could have sent him away.
01:38:39
I mean like, look. I know she was trying she and
01:38:42
that that was the reason why she put him in the black spot,
01:38:45
because she said she was trying to get him over the border, but
01:38:48
it was going to take her a couple of days to get the papers
01:38:51
together. So I get that.
01:38:53
But why would you? Why would you put him with other
01:39:01
people that you could endanger? And granted it's a little
01:39:05
military hangout. Those are military guys.
01:39:08
I'm sure they can handle themselves.
01:39:09
But when you have mob mentality. You just don't go to the other
01:39:14
people who black for the most part.
01:39:17
Right. I mean, and I mean, even if Hank
01:39:19
wasn't there, they probably would have figured out some, oh,
01:39:22
some black folks are over here. Let's go talk to them.
01:39:25
Let's go bother them a little bit.
01:39:28
Somebody would have known they were out there.
01:39:30
Yeah. But that whole situation is
01:39:33
about to be ugly because you got all the black folks in one
01:39:38
spots, you have the murder, the quote UN quote murderer in that
01:39:43
spot, and you have children in that spot.
01:39:49
It's about to be ugly. Pennywise is about to have a
01:39:52
field day. Yeah.
01:39:55
The Feast. Because, you know, there's no
01:39:57
way that situation is about to happen and they're not be
01:40:02
violence and they're not be dead, right?
01:40:06
Somebody, somebody is not going to have a cool head to prevail.
01:40:12
Because they don't have to. I know, you know, I mean, they
01:40:15
might have fired the sheriff, but you know, the the cops ain't
01:40:18
going to care. You know they ain't going to
01:40:21
care. And I'm sure, and I couldn't
01:40:26
tell because when they, when they came out the cars, they had
01:40:29
the masks on. So I couldn't really tell.
01:40:30
But I think the sheriff was the one that was leading it, wasn't
01:40:34
he? Oh yeah, definitely.
01:40:35
Yeah, it was definitely Bowers for sure.
01:40:38
So I'm just like, you know what, I'm just, I'm going to brace
01:40:42
myself for the fuckery that's about to happen in the next
01:40:46
episode because, you know, he's about to be some.
01:40:50
He's at least Henry Bauer's grandfather, right?
01:40:53
So like now you can kind of see where Henry kind of.
01:40:59
Got. His attitude from.
01:41:01
Yeah, yeah. All I got to say is they better
01:41:05
not touch my babies so. Goodness.
01:41:10
And Hank Grogan need to get the fuck out of there.
01:41:14
Yeah. Bro run into the woods.
01:41:17
It's, it's dark. It's dark.
01:41:19
Let's let's be honest, they're not going to see you let it run,
01:41:24
run. Because they're so focused on
01:41:26
going inside because they want to start some shit.
01:41:30
They want to. They have been itching for a
01:41:32
reason to go and shoot some black folk.
01:41:36
And then they know that the unless there's somebody who's
01:41:41
just kind of like super scared and they just want to turn them
01:41:43
in, they know that they're not going to probably turn them in
01:41:46
because I mean, who wants to turn over a black man to be
01:41:49
lynched, right? Like nobody.
01:41:52
Yeah, and but then not only are they cowards, but they stupid.
01:41:55
They do realize that these are military dudes.
01:41:58
I. Don't think I.
01:42:00
Don't think they realize that yet.
01:42:03
They know it was a Air Force thing that was out there.
01:42:10
They know that those part of the Air Force, not part of the base,
01:42:14
but they knew what it was. Remember that?
01:42:17
Remember, that was something that the General gave Dick.
01:42:21
Right, but that is still. Part of the land.
01:42:24
Part of the land. I wondered if she.
01:42:27
Said what it was. Barrack or something?
01:42:31
They were out of storage. Or outside or off off base?
01:42:34
Off off base storage site. So they know what?
01:42:37
You OK? OK.
01:42:38
Yeah, OK. If you lived there, you knew you
01:42:41
know the area. The people police knows what it
01:42:43
is. Yeah.
01:42:44
Yeah, because they knew exactly where to go.
01:42:47
They knew what it was. I mean, they got an anonymous
01:42:50
tip. Yeah, but they, but they have to
01:42:52
know. They have to know that they're
01:42:56
going to that that they have to know.
01:43:00
No, because no, Because what I'm saying is that that location was
01:43:05
abandoned. I don't think the military would
01:43:08
make it known that, Oh yeah, we gave this place for them to
01:43:11
them, for them to hang out. Like as far as the police chief
01:43:14
knows, that place is abandoned. So the only way they would know
01:43:19
to go out there is because whoever gave whoever called in
01:43:22
the tip said this is where they are.
01:43:27
OK, I see what you're saying. You know, because I, I don't
01:43:31
think, I mean, think about it, it's a Juke joint, Batman.
01:43:36
Most Juke joints are illegal, right?
01:43:38
They're illegal in secret. Yeah.
01:43:40
So you really think a black Juke joint is going to be
01:43:45
knowledgeable like the the white police chief is going to know
01:43:49
about it? No, because they're trying to
01:43:50
keep that secret because they don't want them come and
01:43:54
sniffing around. Yeah, but they still know who
01:44:00
owns that area. Yeah, but if it's the military,
01:44:05
you not gonna go fucking around on the military's property?
01:44:07
Right. But he knows because it is
01:44:10
military. It was military storage.
01:44:13
You know what you're supposed to be governing versus what they
01:44:16
supposed to be governing. Now, it's not directly on the
01:44:20
base, but that's part of their land and part of where they put
01:44:23
something. But what I'm saying is, why
01:44:25
would he think that Hank Grogan would be that?
01:44:27
Hank Grogan is not part of the military so he would have no
01:44:30
reason to even go there. Do you see what I'm saying?
01:44:34
Hank is not part of the military.
01:44:35
Hank is one of the black spot because of Charlotte.
01:44:39
Yeah, I think once they searched the bearings and all the other
01:44:43
wooded areas, at some point somebody would have figured it
01:44:46
out. Yeah, they probably taking them
01:44:49
searching all the other. They would think he ran over
01:44:51
there and hiding in that area. And then I was.
01:44:54
Wondering, had to call and tell. I was.
01:44:58
Wondering like if Hank. Went to the the.
01:45:01
The Hanlon's house or something where they've gone to the only
01:45:04
black people in town's house because you got to be with the
01:45:06
other black people, you know what I mean?
01:45:07
Like I wonder where else would they have searched so?
01:45:10
But you would have to well evenly when they roll up in
01:45:13
their cars and they see all the other cars there.
01:45:18
Why man, at that point, yeah, at at that point.
01:45:20
But what I'm saying is I don't think they would have had any
01:45:23
reason to go there had they not been tipped off because one the
01:45:27
place was as far as they thought it was amazing.
01:45:30
Yeah, that is true. But I'm saying at that point
01:45:33
when they rolled up and they saw the cars and heard the music.
01:45:39
Yeah. They should realize, oh, there's
01:45:42
some people here. They didn't care, they'd be like
01:45:45
they they smuggling him. Right, they didn't.
01:45:49
Care and honestly, I don't know that they wouldn't have attacked
01:45:53
even if they even if he wasn't there and they hey, he's not
01:45:57
here because The thing is they got defensive that you know
01:46:02
they're they're the guys standing there he's like who are
01:46:05
you man? Turn off your lights.
01:46:06
He started off kind of being like and so that already
01:46:10
probably had them already out there like oh, he's waiting for
01:46:13
a fight because we got our lights on, how we going to take
01:46:15
them out Then like they probably was already getting hyped up
01:46:18
because of how he kind of reacted to them being.
01:46:21
There and they were already like hyped because they got this tip
01:46:25
that oh, the kid, the kiddie killer is that oh, we about we
01:46:28
about to go through some stuff. Well.
01:46:33
It's about to be some mess. And how many, just how many
01:46:35
people you know, did we lose in the black community due to stuff
01:46:41
like this? It's just to make sure so angry
01:46:44
to just happy people. We still losing people this way,
01:46:50
you know it's. But again, this is 1 of this
01:46:55
will be because, again, we already know this violence is
01:46:57
about to happen. This is going to be another one
01:47:00
of those kind of, you know, teachable moments in fiction
01:47:03
because a lot of people don't hear about this kind of stuff
01:47:07
because governments and people, they are consistently trying to
01:47:12
erase this type of thing from mystery books that stuff like
01:47:16
this actually happened. But we already know what's about
01:47:19
to happen. We already know.
01:47:22
So it's just like prepare ourselves to be pissed because
01:47:26
we know it's about to be some damage.
01:47:29
And I, I mean, I don't know, we still have what we still have
01:47:32
two episodes. So if they do this in this
01:47:35
episode, like is that going to be considered the augury?
01:47:40
Is that going to be the event that puts Pennywise to sleep?
01:47:43
Or is there something even bigger that's going to happen
01:47:46
today? That's a good point, you know,
01:47:48
because it's like, OK, you have maybe what I would say they
01:47:53
probably have about 30 people in this joint, maybe 40, maybe
01:47:57
more. That's a that's a pretty big
01:48:00
crowd. That's a.
01:48:01
Lot so this has. To be, this has to be the
01:48:04
Audrey, this has to. Be has to be because if you have
01:48:07
those many people you have what maybe 2025 white white men
01:48:13
outside with the guns. So if there's some kind of
01:48:17
battle, there's going to be some kind of firefight because again,
01:48:20
these are military men that that are in this they.
01:48:22
Got. They got.
01:48:24
Guns. They got guns, so there's going
01:48:27
to be some kind of shootout. So either the carnage is going
01:48:32
to be so big with this one and then we also don't know, like is
01:48:36
this place on the outskirts of dairy or is it within dairy?
01:48:40
Like we don't know, do we? I know so.
01:48:46
But the kids got there. The kids got there on their
01:48:48
bikes. So like didn't they get come on
01:48:50
their bikes at one point or no? They did, they did.
01:48:54
No, they did they when they got there.
01:48:56
Richie and them came on their bikes right they?
01:48:57
Brought their, they put their, they use their bikes.
01:49:01
So is this event going to be big enough to be considered the
01:49:05
Artery or is this just going to be the starting point?
01:49:09
And then whichever group, you know, I don't want to say win or
01:49:14
loses because I have feeling it's going to be losses on both
01:49:16
sides. Is, is there going to be like a,
01:49:19
Oh well, you came after us, we're going to come after you
01:49:23
and there's going to be a another even bigger thing 'cause
01:49:28
you got 2 episodes, you can't give us the augury in one
01:49:31
episode and then what you're going to do for the last
01:49:33
episode. And then last episode was all
01:49:35
calm and peaceful, and the way I heard it, the last episode was
01:49:37
going to put us in a chokehold, so.
01:49:39
That that's what I just, I heard that today too.
01:49:42
Is it 8 episodes? It's 8 episodes but they also I
01:49:46
I've also heard episode 7 is going to be a doozy.
01:49:50
Yeah, yeah. So I don't know, I just the
01:49:59
y'all, y'all grown man, y'all, y'all do whatever y'all going to
01:50:03
do, leave, leave my children out of it.
01:50:07
I need you to, I need you to grab Ronnie, I need you to grab
01:50:11
the the other three kids. I need y'all to get out.
01:50:15
And I have to say, even though it feels so wrong that she is
01:50:20
not there with them, I'm so glad Lily is not there.
01:50:24
I mean, she don't need to be she didn't already like it's been so
01:50:27
much like she didn't been through enough.
01:50:29
Just stay home, honey, right, Just really that great in in a
01:50:35
in a in a clutch. I mean, now she got the
01:50:38
precious, but when it's over, she's not really great when fear
01:50:42
is that, you know, in play. So she I don't think she would
01:50:45
have been good for her to be there.
01:50:46
Anyway, so, so just be at the house, wait for your friends to
01:50:50
come so you can comfort them and so you can tell Ronnie, I told
01:50:54
you so let's go kill this this thing, but let's go fight right
01:51:02
because. Apparently only us.
01:51:04
There's only us that can do it. Apparently because grown folks
01:51:07
are stupid. Right.
01:51:09
And all the other, all the other kids are either too, too
01:51:13
oblivious or I don't know, maybe I don't know, they just don't
01:51:18
taste. Their fear doesn't taste as
01:51:20
well. To to Pennywise, Yeah, I mean,
01:51:25
yeah, because he's definitely getting kids who already have
01:51:29
already have those weaknesses up with the fear.
01:51:32
But then on top of that, they're bringing in more kids.
01:51:37
So he ain't even got to search anymore because like you said,
01:51:40
Lily just bringing them in. Right.
01:51:42
But the other thing too is again, we haven't seen what
01:51:46
Richard scared of except for what was it that they said in
01:51:51
the when they were getting going into the Juke joint.
01:51:55
Will was talking about going to convince Ronnie.
01:51:58
He said we'll just pray that it works.
01:52:00
He said, I don't know, man. The last time I prayed my my dad
01:52:03
TO came after us in the grave. You know, I don't know, maybe
01:52:08
that's that's his fear. Whatever.
01:52:11
But like we've seen everybody else's fear.
01:52:14
We haven't seen richest fear, but.
01:52:16
Also, I feel like he has he has such a prey man.
01:52:20
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
01:52:21
He's like that. He is the anchor of the group.
01:52:24
I think because he's the one everybody else is saying crazy
01:52:28
stuff. He's like, look, this is what we
01:52:30
need to do. This is how we need to add, oh,
01:52:33
this thing is trying to pull us apart.
01:52:34
We can't do that right now. We need to be united.
01:52:37
We need to be together. Why are y'all, why are y'all
01:52:39
considering this? This is stupid.
01:52:41
Like he's the one that's saying what everybody else is too
01:52:44
scared to say. Yes.
01:52:47
Because he because even though he he basically was like, yes,
01:52:50
Lily, everybody thinks you're crazy.
01:52:52
Like, get over it. It's just the truth.
01:52:54
You know, like everybody, he's like my Barber.
01:52:58
Everybody thinks you're crazy. So OK, let's move on from.
01:53:00
That right? Because he's like, we, we know
01:53:03
the truth. That's all you need to worry
01:53:04
about. Don't worry about what all this
01:53:07
outside noise is doing. Don't worry about what everybody
01:53:09
else is thinking. We know what we know.
01:53:13
You don't dare stab your best friend in the eye.
01:53:17
That's all. That's all you need to know.
01:53:20
So but I'm worried about these next two episodes just cuz we
01:53:30
are. Like I said, we already know
01:53:31
there's about to be some carnage in Seven and then 8.
01:53:38
Some more carnage because I can't imagine how it's going to
01:53:40
get better. Because you can't go from, you
01:53:42
can't do what? I mean, you could, but it people
01:53:45
will be mad. You can't have a big scene in
01:53:50
the penultimate season episode and then the season finale is
01:53:54
just kind of wrong. Yeah, I I just.
01:53:58
Well. Come on now you know how things
01:54:00
are written. You got to have a climax and a
01:54:03
resolution. Like I said, and if they do a a
01:54:05
boring resolution, people gonna be mad.
01:54:08
People gonna be mad we. That's how I.
01:54:11
Don't think it's going to be boring with these people, These
01:54:13
Mark. What's Mark?
01:54:14
I can pronounce his name. Mark Fetty.
01:54:16
What was his last name? Him.
01:54:18
His wife. They're terrible people.
01:54:19
That's all I have to say. The creators of this show,
01:54:22
they're terrible people. Oh my goodness.
01:54:26
Every time I see his name, I get PTSD on the screen.
01:54:28
When I see his name, I'll just be like, oh, Andy Marks.
01:54:31
Whatever, it's the sound editor. The sound editor was wrong for
01:54:37
the clenching of the bone. Of the.
01:54:39
Little girl just wrong and. And every, everywhere I go now
01:54:44
on the Internet, I hear, I'm like, oh Lord, this song is
01:54:53
everywhere. They're killing me.
01:54:58
We have nightmares with that little girl singing in my head.
01:55:02
It's all their fault. Crunchy, crunchy Pickles and
01:55:08
horribleness. But listen to the leader.
01:55:12
She's like if I if I smile hard enough, everything is fine.
01:55:16
Right. Yeah.
01:55:18
Right now you must not be OK. You ain't OK, baby.
01:55:22
You're not OK. I mean, have you seen the
01:55:24
graphics that that that song accompanies?
01:55:27
No, she ain't OK. She OK?
01:55:29
You got somebody about to have a needle stuck in his eye.
01:55:32
You got Pennywise hanging off a building gangster.
01:55:36
Shooting it out. Right.
01:55:39
And I think that's the I think that's the gangsters that they
01:55:41
ended up burying in the the car. But and.
01:55:46
Then the factory fire. The factory fire and then you
01:55:50
see the eyes in the sewer. So yeah, it's.
01:55:54
They don't even have to change it for the next seasons at all.
01:55:58
No, they really don't. They probably will though.
01:56:02
Because if they get this and don't do nothing with it.
01:56:05
Because Season 2 is going going back to 1935, right?
01:56:10
So you think they're going to expand a little bit more on
01:56:14
Kirsch's story? Oh yeah, for sure.
01:56:18
Yeah, sure. We got a whole bunch of years
01:56:21
when she was taking kids down to the basement.
01:56:25
I'm excited actually to see it, how she does it.
01:56:27
As long as I don't have to hear Pennywise crunching and
01:56:31
munching. Oh baby, that's going to be
01:56:33
forever. You're going to be hearing that
01:56:35
forever watching this. So so y'all don't think Netflix
01:56:38
is going to going to shut all that stuff down Let.
01:56:40
Me tell you something. Breath Netflix but not come in
01:56:44
here messing things up. They they got this.
01:56:46
They got all the Game of Thrones universe.
01:56:49
It might. Not even be Netflix, because
01:56:51
apparently Paramount went in with a hostile bid.
01:56:55
Of 104 billion and. My first thought was like,
01:57:03
Netflix ain't got that kind of money, Netflix ain't got that
01:57:05
kind of. And I looked up at all, they
01:57:08
took out a loan. Just like any other business,
01:57:11
but. That's what I mean you that's
01:57:13
'cause even with with Paramount and when they were their initial
01:57:16
offerings were like not cash offerings.
01:57:20
So I don't think anybody just had.
01:57:23
No, they had to get everybody I get a loan.
01:57:25
And they have, Yeah. And that's probably also why
01:57:30
shows got cancelled. They're like, oh, we need to, we
01:57:32
need to make pay this money. Collateral, but they make so
01:57:36
much money, man. My Netflix bill in the last, I
01:57:40
would say three years has tripled.
01:57:43
Listen, they making any money? Somebody posted a meme they said
01:57:49
Netflix offered they offered 87 billion for for this deal but
01:57:57
they got mad because I had my Mama on my account.
01:58:00
On my password, right? Right.
01:58:04
I remember ask. My father-in-law was using ours.
01:58:07
They came out to us and like if you choose to keep him, he will
01:58:10
be paying 799 a month. It's like, yeah, I remember, I
01:58:14
remember. When we used.
01:58:15
To. When we used to get the disc,
01:58:17
you know, back, back in the day and like, oh, we can do
01:58:20
streaming and you can switch to streaming for $7.99 a month.
01:58:25
See, I think like Dean said, it's tripled.
01:58:30
I think my Netflix bill right now is Winnie $5 yeah.
01:58:39
Only because you probably got the HD.
01:58:41
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because I'm not.
01:58:44
I mean, if I'm most, if I'm going to pay the stream, I'm not
01:58:47
going to watch. No crap.
01:58:48
Not right. Exactly.
01:58:50
Not getting dead. And so now it's that thing where
01:58:54
you know how you know, you could have a channel that you have
01:58:57
like for instance, I would only get stars for Outlander and then
01:59:01
once out later was done, I didn't have stars anymore.
01:59:04
But the way this is turning out, if it's going to be on Netflix,
01:59:07
that's great because now I can just even though I get HBO for
01:59:11
free with my Internet, but like, let's say I didn't get it for
01:59:14
free, I wouldn't have to pay for it because it's going to be out
01:59:16
of my Netflix. The problem is that there's
01:59:19
they're going to raise that price about 34345 more times
01:59:23
because they got to make up for what they doing right now.
01:59:25
And here's the thing, y'all better merge these streaming
01:59:28
platforms because I'm not going to pay for Netflix and HBO Max.
01:59:32
Look, can you talk about it? That's yeah.
01:59:37
And then like, it's getting ridiculous.
01:59:38
It won't. Then he owns.
01:59:41
All of this and they own, you know, like, come on, it's just
01:59:44
well at. Least at least Disney said it's
01:59:48
going to move all the Hulu stuff to Disney Plus.
01:59:51
Yeah. Yeah, but the other thing with
01:59:54
the Netflix deal that people are talking about, physical media is
01:59:59
going to end up going away. I'm about to start going to the
02:00:02
pawn shops and the thrift stores and buying up stuff because if
02:00:06
it gets to a point where everything streaming is
02:00:09
streaming exclusive, we ain't going to have a show.
02:00:14
Adam's best friend literally just said that he going to get
02:00:17
rid of everything and he going to do that digital, digital
02:00:21
antenna and he going to watch DVDs because you can't The he's
02:00:25
like, his main complaint is this don't have a license, that the
02:00:29
license is over here now. It's a move from this platform
02:00:31
to that platform. He should have it.
02:00:34
Owns it, but right now it's being licensed for Netflix, so
02:00:37
you got to, you know, like just, you know, come on man, what are
02:00:41
y'all? Doing like if y'all were going
02:00:43
to do all this shit I would have just stayed with cable.
02:00:45
Right. Just stay with cable and be done
02:00:47
with it. And now that don't even seem
02:00:49
feasible because half the stuff you can get on cable, but some
02:00:54
of the stuff is exclusive to streaming.
02:00:57
So it's like they they really are just looking for ways to get
02:01:00
in our pocket. If if you want to see, I'm not
02:01:02
going to go into it, but if you want to see what's really going
02:01:05
to happen, look at what the NBA is doing and then that's going
02:01:09
to really mess you up about what these streaming services is
02:01:13
going to do. But that's also like why they
02:01:17
cut so many shows and like we have nothing but sports and game
02:01:21
shows on because they know no like scripted shows.
02:01:25
It's sports and game shows. Yeah.
02:01:27
Yeah, yeah. But what the NBA is doing with
02:01:30
all the games on every platform, like you can't.
02:01:34
Like I want to watch Golden State Warriors tonight, they're
02:01:39
on Peacock. I don't have a Peacock
02:01:41
subscription. And this night they're on ESPNI
02:01:45
don't have a cable subscription. And this night they're on
02:01:47
YouTube. It's like, what?
02:01:49
What are we doing, guys? What are we doing?
02:01:53
Wow. Yeah.
02:01:55
So don't get too attached to this show, ladies and gentlemen.
02:01:58
That's the point. We're trying to.
02:01:59
Make. That's the point.
02:02:00
Don't, don't get, don't get the whole set.
02:02:02
Don't get too attached. But they have a what they will,
02:02:06
yeah, because I was going to say they they came out with what, a
02:02:09
four year plan or a five year plan as far as what they were
02:02:12
going to do with this show. Yeah, but you know how that
02:02:16
goes. But cancel Alicia AKA Netflix
02:02:20
don't know good shows. They can smack them in the face,
02:02:23
cancel all the good shows and put all the trash shows on.
02:02:26
Yeah, like I talked to some people at work and I'm like, oh,
02:02:29
have y'all watched it? Is that oh, we're going to wait
02:02:31
for all of them to come out to start watching it?
02:02:33
Netflix don't play that crap if people don't watch it and Benji
02:02:38
in the first was in 15 to 30 day they cancel it and.
02:02:43
Even if people are watching it and it's good, if it comes right
02:02:47
they will cancel it. Shadow and bone.
02:02:49
Excuse me, I'm sorry. I'm still I'm.
02:02:51
Still salty about it, still mad about it, Yeah.
02:02:54
I'm I'm still mad about that. Yeah, with that metry they use
02:03:00
to, if people are not watching it in droves and binging it,
02:03:04
they're not that that they're not going to keep it.
02:03:07
That's just how they roll, because they dump all their
02:03:10
shows at one time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:03:14
Unless it's something like Stranger Things, but they,
02:03:16
because they know people are going to watch Stranger Things.
02:03:19
So that's, that's not one of those shows that people are,
02:03:22
Yeah, that's not one of those shows that people are going to
02:03:24
be like, oh, I'm just going to weigh.
02:03:25
And no Stranger Things. I mean literally I turn my TV on
02:03:31
at 8:00 when Stranger Things dry the day before Thanksgiving and
02:03:35
it took me 5 minutes to get on it because Netflix crashed
02:03:39
because everybody named Mama was trying to watch it at the same.
02:03:41
Time they figured out with they feed out with strange things,
02:03:44
they can do it halfway. We just going to drop 4 episodes
02:03:49
at once instead of all 8 or 9. It is going to parse it out, but
02:03:55
we're still going to drop it all at once.
02:03:57
Because what they do is they get us the fans who are like
02:04:01
hardcore die hard fans in and then we talk about it so much
02:04:04
online and he were like, God dog it.
02:04:06
I got to go watch dog on blah blah.
02:04:09
And so then they want to jump in and watch in between time and
02:04:12
then. So by the time they release the
02:04:14
rest of it, everybody watching. Yeah, I got friends.
02:04:17
I got friends right now who are starting Season 1, episode 1 of
02:04:22
Strange. Yeah, yeah.
02:04:24
They do. They do that with Bridgeton.
02:04:25
We've been waiting for how long? And they.
02:04:27
Oh. Whatever.
02:04:28
Couple episodes here couple of times.
02:04:30
Here, Really. Yeah, yeah, like we are.
02:04:37
It's been over a year. It's going to be two years
02:04:41
before the next season come out from Bridgerton.
02:04:43
Yeah, and you know the. Last season came out last
02:04:47
summer. Yeah, and it was.
02:04:49
Really, a specific seasons have costumes.
02:04:51
Yeah, like they they used to have shows, 26 episodes a
02:04:56
season, 7 time reruns. I miss network.
02:05:00
TV days back to but now I mean 7.
02:05:04
Episodes and we we we and money like we getting 26.
02:05:08
Episodes ain't a lot. I got Michelle, I started
02:05:11
Michelle watching Chicago Mid with me.
02:05:17
We, I'm like, wait, what season are we on?
02:05:20
Season 2. Season 3.
02:05:23
Because it's taking a long time. We're talking to that with Sbis
02:05:27
and we're just like. That's just like with the boys.
02:05:32
The boys is the boys is coming back in where we got our last
02:05:36
April. They've been gone almost three
02:05:38
years so. Yeah, and.
02:05:42
These long. I think so, but but.
02:05:46
You. Only I get.
02:05:48
But I get I get that special effects.
02:05:50
Yeah, but you? Only get fridge and pin is a
02:05:53
dress. Right.
02:05:55
Well, that's what I was going to say.
02:05:56
That's the thing about because it's popular.
02:05:58
And sick, right? Jenny and Georgia, they spin
02:06:03
that out every other day. What's her name?
02:06:06
And Paris, Emily and Paris. Every other week they got a new
02:06:09
season to Emily and Paris. The only thing that stopped,
02:06:12
stopped. What's the last?
02:06:15
The first one you just mentioned I can't think of.
02:06:16
Oh. Jenny and Jordan.
02:06:19
Jenny and Jordan, it's only because of the riders stripe.
02:06:21
Yeah, and they're not going to do that again because the little
02:06:23
boy went from 5th grade to look like he in high school.
02:06:26
That little boy in what? And we had.
02:06:30
To put we had to make him like fit back into like four months
02:06:34
later. Yeah, put your Harry Potter
02:06:36
glasses on, baby. Right.
02:06:37
Yeah, but yeah, like slump over a little bit.
02:06:41
You know, welcome to Derry. I was like, Jesus, that boy is
02:06:44
big. Now he is big.
02:06:47
And you can't, you can't do that.
02:06:48
It's crazy. It's crazy.
02:06:49
But like, but like, Dennis said, the point is audience don't get
02:06:52
too attached. But you can't get attached to
02:06:56
anything. Like I feel like anymore, like
02:06:59
every time something to be good, it's like, oh, we're going to
02:07:02
cancel it. Why?
02:07:04
Why we cancel it? You got good ratings.
02:07:05
Yeah, but, you know, it's too much money.
02:07:09
We're losing money. Or, you know, they'll just scrap
02:07:11
a whole movie after they film a whole movie and decide they
02:07:14
don't want to put it out their. Background or even an episode.
02:07:16
I'm I'm still mad about that Game of Thrones spin off that
02:07:21
got cancelled. They filmed, what, a $30 million
02:07:25
pilot episode and nothing? And they had big names attached
02:07:29
to that. So yeah, I'm still mad about
02:07:33
that because was supposed to be in it.
02:07:36
Indeed. Whatever their names was.
02:07:38
So they thought that's why. Yeah, could be.
02:07:42
But OK, look, we have, we have been in the weeds long enough.
02:07:46
Y'all got anything final to say about this episode before we get
02:07:50
like completely devastated with whatever's about to happen in
02:07:52
these next two episodes? Real is the only one marked as
02:07:58
safe. Yeah, Will and Lee.
02:08:01
Roy and his Yeah, I must say. And Dick, those three.
02:08:05
Yeah, that's it. They're the only ones.
02:08:09
And look and penny wise we know, he said he mark say.
02:08:19
And curse. Yeah, she say.
02:08:23
Well I just safe as a relationship with her.
02:08:26
I mean, in the movie is, yeah, that was pretty wise.
02:08:31
Pretend to be her. So that don't necessarily we
02:08:34
don't know. She still lived to be a little
02:08:37
bit older. At least for him to be able to
02:08:40
mark be her as an older woman, she had to live a little bit
02:08:43
longer, right? That's.
02:08:45
True. Maybe he just put he just acted
02:08:48
like she would have in the old woman body.
02:08:51
We don't know. She ain't really Mark safe
02:08:55
either. Yeah.
02:08:58
OK, so I guess we will see with episodes 7:00 and 8:00, but for
02:09:03
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