#IT #welcometoderry #stephenking The kids' plans to provide proof to the police backfire. Will finds himself on the monster's radar. Dick receives another warning. Charlotte takes an interest in Hank Grogan's case, but learns that the truth will not set him free. Leroy takes his concerns to the General after Will is attacked. Dick learns the truth about the Entity's origins. An attack on another friend put Lilly in a dangerous position.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Anthony, Michelle and Dina and we are discussing episode 4
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of it. Welcome to dairy.
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And I was wrong in the last episode.
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We have 8 episodes of this series.
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So we are now at the halfway mark.
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OK, OK, OK, so we we've actually been discussing this before we
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start recording. So I don't even know where we
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gonna start. We gonna start from the
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beginning with the with the police station and these kids
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and the and the pictures because I'm I'm a little confused or at
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least I feel like the kids I'm confused like how have pictures
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that all of a sudden y'all looking at the pictures and no,
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nothing match up. Like, I know as a viewer, but
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I'm sure those kids are like this dude is fucking with us.
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This whatever this thing is, it's messing with us.
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Yeah, and and the pictures, how do you have one that actually
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does look like a clown? And y'all don't y'all.
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Like, oh that's a statue, yeah y'all got?
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Because in that one, it really could have been a statue.
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Or it could. Have been a person I don't know
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too many. Statues whose eyes glow.
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And I'm just helping. I don't know well.
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We know he already fogging the the brains already, but you
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know, for for him, he it is he's just really kind of messing with
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them, you know, but he just he's just the kids.
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He's like, OK, I'm going to ramp this up a little bit.
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Right and. I'm not saying it was the grown
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folks to not believe them anymore.
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And that just makes it 30 times. Worse and their their fear and
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stuff. But it it was just so funny that
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they go and think and they did it.
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They got it together and not in the photos.
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And now you now you kind of put yourself on the police chief's
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radar because now anything that y'all say to him, he's not going
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to believe it. You already have the what?
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The town crazy girl, you know, quote UN quote, you have the the
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murderer's daughter, you know, you have the son who you meet
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the Mama later on, but now you're going to be like, oh,
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that's the troublemaker son. And we don't know where Rich is
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going. You know how they're going to
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look at Rich later on 'cause like I was telling Dina, I said,
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OK, we seen everybody's fear monster except for riches.
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I have a feeling his is going to come in the next episode.
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Yeah. And it's going to be what?
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Maybe his uncle? Should be.
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But I'm sure we'll get a little more background on him in the
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next episode. So you literally have the only
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four kids, or the only four people really, who are fully
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aware that there is something going on in the town who have
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actually laid eyes on, on, you know, something.
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And now nobody's gonna believe them.
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So, you know, but this is, this is part of his thing.
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He's gonna isolate the kids. Yeah.
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And then pick him off 1 by 1. One by one, Yep.
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It does suck that they that the the native lady works in town
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and her people know about Pennywise and know that there's
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evil here and these poor babies are suffering and ain't no what
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like it's. It sucks 'cause hopefully now
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that the mom and her have made, made kind of made friends, like
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maybe they'll talk, they'll like, figure it, figure out
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something's happening. I don't know.
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Yeah, I feel bad for these kids. I do too.
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And, and it's it's sort of like a commentary on what is going on
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at the time. Like think about it, civil
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rights hadn't really happened yet.
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And Indigenous people, we are literally what, 60 years away
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from them being served on reservations and basically
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locked away. So why would they share any
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information with with anybody? Right, especially when they told
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you at the beginning, hey, y'all don't want to go in this area,
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y'all need to leave us alone. When when the when the settlers
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first came and y'all didn't listen.
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Like they said, don't build no houses over there, stay away
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from the area and the seller's like Nah we build wherever we
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want to build they. Told them not to even go in the
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woods. They told.
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Them. They they went in there, they
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haunted, they did whatever they want to do.
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And at that point, it's like we tried, so why would we ever try
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anymore? Yeah, and then they was treating
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them bad anyway, so at some point they were just like, well,
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I guess they'll figure it out. But did you notice outside of
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the wood when when Tanya was telling the story and he was
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talking about the settlers got killed, you notice they never
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moved. They never moved the bodies.
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They never moved the carnage. The carnage stayed where it was.
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They were like, that's a reminder.
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Yeah. What happens when you don't
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listen and you go into the woods?
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But but I guess the good thing about some of what's happening
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with the kids will actually does get the well, let me change
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that. He didn't get the courage to
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tell his Mama. His Mama went snooping.
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Now, I would say this, and I said this to Dina before the
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episode. So I'm on the fence about
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Charlotte Hamlin. There are times when I'm I'm OK
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with her character and there's there are times when I just
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really don't like her character. And I don't know if it's just
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that I think it goes beyond the her standing up for things.
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Like in this episode, we see you nosy, you pushy.
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And. I just.
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Like she's not standing up for, she's not standing up for
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rights, she said. I was straightening, I was doing
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some tidying up and I found these stuffed in an envelope in
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the back of your door, looking there.
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That's why we need to put her on the case 'cause she needs some
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things to do there. There is nothing to stop the.
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Boundaries. Is she, is she taking all the
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clothes at the drawer to fold them and put them back in the
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drawer like? What is happening?
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Are are you? Literally going through all his
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things but honestly. She probably.
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Was. But here's the thing though,
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that kid ain't doing nothing. He not doing anything.
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Well, obviously, I mean, if you find something, you may find a
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magazine that his dad gave him 'cause his dad trying to push
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him Bolton that he ain't doing that.
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I mean, of course he's out there taking pictures at the cemetery,
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but other than that he ain't doing anything if she pulled.
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The pictures out. Wait, wait.
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Taking the pictures. If she pulls the pictures out,
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it's just pictures. He may be into photography.
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Right. It's just pictures.
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He was experimenting. He was he was learning how to
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develop. At night.
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But that was a probably, it was that night and it was in a
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cemetery. So that probably was like what
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it's. 9 O clock and you know where your child.
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Is team and she didn't because she didn't even realize what day
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he took the pictures. Right.
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What's Tuesday? Wednesday, right.
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But yeah, so it's like, I guess on the one hand is it it's good
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that she has the pictures because she was able to get some
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information out of him. So at least he he's telling
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somebody. So somebody is aware and
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thankfully unlike Lily's mom, you know, he tells her, hey,
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somebody was chasing after me. What did she do?
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She went straight to the police station.
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So somebody's chasing my child. I need you to look into that.
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And oh by the way, while I'm here, let's talk about this man.
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Y'all got locked up. I was like, again, you are
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drawing way too much attention to yourself.
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I need you to just kind of, Oh no, chill out.
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Just just be a nosy Mama for right now.
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Don't get mixed into all the other stuff, especially with the
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stuff that we find out. Yeah.
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But on the other hand, on the other hand, the chief of police
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has to understand when you say things like this is not like the
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South, dude. Everything you're doing makes it
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feel like it's just like the South.
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Yeah. But on the other hand, I kind of
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got to I, I, I got to sympathize with him because he's telling
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you it's not like the South, like we have proof this man
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lied. So it's not like he just
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singling this man out. He has proof that you wasn't
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where you said you were supposed to.
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Be that's true, but then it became but then, but then it
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became like the South when he can't tell where he was.
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Well, yeah, that, but. But the police chief don't know
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that. Yeah, or maybe, but I'm just
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saying suspicious, but you know, he.
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He know not to say nothing. It also he knows he, he's like,
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oh, it's not like the South because he's like, oh, we're not
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doing it to the level that they doing it at, but they still
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doing it because they oh, he a black man.
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It had to be him that did it. And that's the only proof he had
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'cause until he found out he lied about being outside his
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house, he have no proof to lock that man up.
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No, nothing. He just did it 'cause he knew it
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was about to be some trouble. And the you know my.
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Whatever getting the pressure from it, yeah, that is, that is
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something that they probably. Did to black people all the time
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because it was just easier cause one black person versus the mild
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white people was easier to deal with.
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So yeah, you are very much like the South, you just a little
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less, a little, a little. Less of whatever they would, but
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OK, let me play devil's advocate because let's say Grogan wasn't
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a black man. Or let's say cow.
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OK, both of them work in the movie theater.
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And I know, like, we understand, we we've already had the
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conversation about Cal was the one that was chasing after
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Maddie. So he could have been the one
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that, you know, made Maddie disappear.
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But if if, how had I mean, if, yeah, if how had been a white
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dude? OK.
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And these children came into the movie theater.
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They, you know, movie theater's bloody.
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The kids are missing. I don't think they found any of
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the body parts. I don't remember what happened
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to the hand that Lily had. But you know, you have all this
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stuff. You have all of this so-called,
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I guess it is evidence. It's not evidence necessarily
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against him. But it's like if if he if it
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wasn't the black man, if if Hal Grogan was white and his white
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child had taken her friends into the movie theater they all got
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murdered with, do you think they would still go after him?
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Because what other explanation do you have?
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And. See, that's why I like, I get
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it. But what I'm saying is they told
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that guy they would have been mad over time, but because it
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was a black man, I feel like they had more oomph in their
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anger because they thought it was a black man versus if it was
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a white man and everybody knew this white man and everybody was
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friends with this white man or whatever.
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And they had no problems with this white man before.
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Well. Such and such would never do
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that. They would have found a way
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until they got to a certain point, you know what I'm saying?
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I feel like they immediately was like, it's him, He did it even
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like, you know, 'cause they was looking at him what they was
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looking at him when Maddie got taken, wasn't they at first?
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They were. These kids got taken and then
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they was like, Oh yeah, it's definitely him, 'cause the
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theater is involved again and it's like, and I don't.
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Think it helped that. I don't think it helped that
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Maddie and Phil and Teddy and all them were friends because
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that's that's another link. Like if you already blamed him
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for this one, then it kind of sort of follows the quote UN
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quote natural course that you. Probably the the difference.
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The difference is a white man would get the benefit of the
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doubt. He doesn't get the benefit.
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Of the doubt, yeah. That's the difference.
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Once he got arrested, the white man would probably have his own
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lawyer. Yeah, rather than a a defend.
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Like public defender? Yeah.
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And so probably white. More than a certain amount of
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time in jail. Yeah, he had a public defender
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who's probably white. Who?
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Is probably going to feel the. Same kind of pressure about Oh,
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well, he's, he must be guilty and.
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I thought about that when Charlotte was telling him what
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his rights were and he was like, oh, the public defender didn't
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tell me nothing about that. Because this, that was typically
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the case during that time, yeah. It's the case now, they don't
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care. They're so strong.
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Usually they don't have time to have compassion for all their
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clients. And yeah, typically they're, you
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know, poor people who can't afford, you know, attorneys.
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And so they don't. It's not that they don't care,
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but a lot of times they're just burned out.
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Yeah. And you know so.
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Yeah, but I mean, we'll come back and talk, talk about Grogan
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a little bit later. But yet the short Charlotte's
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whole thing, and I don't know if it's just, it could also be the
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way that she speaks to people 'cause even her interactions
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with her husband, I'm like, see how y'all are married?
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Because they don't really seem to.
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They probably sing the vibe. They don't seem like they're
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compatible. Well, they I think they did
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before and it was like a opposite of tracks.
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He's followed the rules and she's a free spirit.
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Not like that. But you know, just vocal and
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don't go with status quo. However, it did not help that he
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wanted to rise in, I want to say rise in power, but rise in
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ranking and stuff. And then the thing she did from
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their previous home, I think it's causing the rift in their
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marriage. But beforehand, when she would
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be like, oh, this is this and this.
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And he'd be like, oh, this is so refreshing, 'cause I got to go
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to work. And if it's green, it's green.
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If it's red, it's red, but now it's it's in, they're merging
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and that's where their marital issues are coming into play.
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The other, the other difficult thing is we know he doesn't feel
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fear, but we don't really know to the extent which is we don't
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know how he was before his injury.
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Yeah. We don't know really what kind
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of person he was or how much his personality change since he got
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injured. But you can tell what his issues
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are with her. I mean.
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Literally I'm. I'm saying was that before or
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after his injury? It, it doesn't matter, just just
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if you take the injury out, she was causing problems with his
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job because of her doing all the civil rights things.
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That's what you got to see. And then when you come and move
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into this new town and you are following the same path.
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We don't know how much what slack or how much what issues he
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had on his job from what she was doing right.
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But I don't even think it's the medical thing.
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I think it's more of the he is now interfering with his.
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Job I'm just saying his contributing.
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Factor I think I do think that like when she and me that when I
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first got together he might have thought her being kind of a go
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getter, kind of a like fucking with me type person.
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He might have really loved that about her when they first met
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until they start interfering in their home life and now in his
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job and all that stuff. He it might have been something
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that he really loved about her. Yeah, that's so now she he want
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her to be. Not taking it.
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I want to say it's interfering, but given what we've kind of
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gleaned from their conversations and then also from what we see
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her doing now, I feel like it's the part where is it's not just
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about her interfering. She's literally putting them in
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danger. Like when when Will sees
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Pennywise outside, he thinks it's somebody watching the house
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because of Charlotte going to the to, to the police station.
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So obviously that's not the first time something like that
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has happened. And he's probably more like, you
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are making us targets or you are, you are, you're, you're
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putting us in a position where too many eyes are on us, right?
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This needs to kind of chill out, not do anything, not do anything
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that's going to bring us any attention.
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Or any negative attention. Attention.
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And that's probably what it was. Eyes from everywhere, in and out
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of, you know, government. Yeah, yeah.
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So. But I she, let me tell you now,
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she is like a dog with a bone. She's like, OK, here, here's
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something I see something is not right, I'm a go check it out
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'cause she don't want to visit Grogan's Mama.
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She don't talk to Rose. She don't went and threatened
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the the police, you know, assistant.
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She was like, look, you don't let me see him.
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I got a note for his girl. When I tell you I fell out when
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she said I got a note from his Mama giving me permission to see
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him. I was like, what is he, 12?
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But she was like, if you don't let me go in to see him, I will
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have MLKJFKRFK and every other FK up here.
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I was like, oh, OK, so she knows some folks.
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So that also lets you know kind of how deep she might, she might
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have been in the movement because if she's rattling names
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like that saying, oh, I can make a phone call and they'll be here
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in the morning. Yeah.
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Her husband might have something to to worry about, like, Oh
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yeah, she about to bring the big hitters.
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Or she could have just been using the name because she knows
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what names make white people thinking.
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I don't, I don't know, something about the the confident way she
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said it makes me feel like she probably knew these people.
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Or at least I mean it's not out of the realm of possibility she
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would know MLK. Right.
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No, that's true. I just wonder if she really.
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Yeah, right. She just knew she had him on the
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ropes and she was just like, I'm going to dig it in.
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I don't know, I kind of I kind of feel like she she might be
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serious and that might be one of the things that Leroy is worried
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about. Not well, not worried because of
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course this man don't have fear, but he can still be like, I'm
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going to need you to chill out because we got a child over
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here. We got to think about and we,
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you know, his safety and his so I don't know she, I she is a
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very interesting character though, but I am kind of divided
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on whether or not I like her or not.
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I just it's like I don't mind stirring the pot, but she's
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stirring and and she just I just feel like it's about to explode
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in her face. I feel like something good, you
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know, especially now. Not only is she on the radar of
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the police because of course, you know, that police officer
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went back and told the chief, oh, yeah.
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So she wants to do this. Yeah.
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Go see Grogan after you specifically told her not to go
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see Grogan. So now she's going to be on the
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police chief's radar. Her son is on the police chief's
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radar. And not only is her son on the
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police chief's radar, he's also now Pennywise's radar.
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Yeah. So.
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And I know she has nothing to do with the Pennywise thing, but I
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have a feeling she and her husband are going to figure out
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something real quick because Leroy already knows something
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weird is happening. He leave, you know, he goes
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fishing with Will. Will's fly comes off the line.
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He's like, oh, stay right here. I'm going to go to the car and
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get the, I'm looking at that like Will if you don't go with
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your daddy, right? Why at least come out the water?
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Out the water, at least. First of all, when the clown
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fish swam up, I was like, really?
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Yeah, no clown fish, no fishes coming to you, clown fish.
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And. It was big, right?
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Because. I thought it was a cool day at
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first. Like what?
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And then he just. Sat.
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I did look. At.
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Him, I said I did too. I was like, well, that's a big
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Oh no, that's a clown fish. And when it grabs him, like the
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good thing is Leroy at least was paying attention because he
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hears the commotion from the car.
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He goes running. And my daughter, she was
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watching the episode with me. She said, I guess he feels fear
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now. I was like, I don't know if that
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was fear or if it was just he hurt his son.
00:21:29
And he was like, OK, I got to go get to my son.
00:21:31
Because you may not have fear, but that's still your child.
00:21:35
You know you still. I'm sure if they have their
00:21:38
paternal instinct, yeah, it's not, it's not in the same part
00:21:41
of the brain as you. I do wonder, like is it could it
00:21:45
is it possible to have No Fear for your own life, your own
00:21:49
safety, your own mortality, but you fear for other people?
00:21:52
Is that a thing that's is that a separate thing or?
00:21:55
And I was thinking that too, especially when when his son
00:21:59
starts getting more in danger, how would he feel?
00:22:02
Yeah. See, I think, I don't know, I
00:22:04
think if it's his fear in general, but like things like
00:22:08
paternal instinct and instinct to paternal.
00:22:11
Fear. Those are all in different parts
00:22:14
of the brain than than the fear part.
00:22:16
So yeah, but I mean, at least he also like when when Will is
00:22:21
trying to tell him because what happens is the clown fish turns
00:22:23
into a hand, pulls him under. He sees a vision of his dad
00:22:28
burned. And when he's telling his dad
00:22:32
about it, he was like, yeah, I saw you.
00:22:33
You wouldn't. You pulled me under.
00:22:35
You were burnt like you was after your plane crash in Korea.
00:22:40
And, you know, his dad is like, hold up, You're not making
00:22:42
sense. And then when he looks at Will's
00:22:44
arms, Will has scratches. And like, he told Halloran later
00:22:48
on, he was like, he was scratched up like an animal that
00:22:51
scratched him. Like, what are we looking for?
00:22:53
I'm glad he thought about that because right when Will is like
00:22:56
there's something bad here in Derry.
00:22:59
He didn't even question it, he said Hold on y'all some weird
00:23:02
shit has been happening since remember?
00:23:04
He's always analyzing and processing, so he quickly put
00:23:09
two and two together. 'Cause he went to go see the
00:23:13
general, he was like, what do you have us looking for out
00:23:16
there? He, he goes to see Halloran.
00:23:20
He's like, what are we looking for?
00:23:21
And Halloran's like, I don't know.
00:23:23
I, I don't know, but Halloran is also still having his little
00:23:28
visions too. So I at least with Will being
00:23:32
kind of sort of in danger or being on Penny Wise's radar, at
00:23:36
least now you have, you do have a couple of adults who are kind
00:23:42
of aware of what's going on. And like I said in the last
00:23:45
episode, his dad might be the best person for him to discuss
00:23:49
that with. Because if dad has No Fear,
00:23:51
Penny Wise can't really do anything to him.
00:23:54
Like even even after we'll sees them in the the telescope and
00:23:59
Leroy goes outside to try to confront whatever it is.
00:24:02
Whoever he he thinks is watching the house, he sees the red
00:24:06
balloon in the tree just like they saw the balloon at the
00:24:09
river earlier that day. He's just looking at it like,
00:24:13
OK, y'all got some weird shit going on.
00:24:15
Yeah. At least at this point, you
00:24:17
know, your son's not lying. You know, he's not exaggerating,
00:24:19
he's not making up, you know, some stuff.
00:24:23
As as an observer in this situation, my concern would be
00:24:29
if Penny Wise finds out this man ain't scared of him or or looks
00:24:34
like he's not scared of him, to what extent would he go?
00:24:38
To see. To see if he can make him
00:24:40
scared, that would be my concern.
00:24:44
And it would have to do with Charlotte and Will.
00:24:46
I mean, we know it's not really going to be Will because we know
00:24:50
Will grows up, has a son Mike and and we know Mike grows up.
00:24:54
So we know it's not going to be Will.
00:24:56
But you, you remember I was mentioning, I said they don't
00:24:59
really mention Charlotte and the losers in the, you know, the
00:25:04
versions of it where we see Mike talk about, you know, we, we
00:25:08
know his grandfather is there, but that's the only family he
00:25:12
has. But we also know it changes over
00:25:15
time, so this version of it may not be as petty as the more
00:25:23
recent version you. You really want, you really want
00:25:25
to say that after March, I think he's very.
00:25:28
No, he's yeah. I think he just fine-tuned the
00:25:31
pity for the other group here. He's just all over the place and
00:25:34
out of control. Yeah, but that, that was my
00:25:36
concern. Like, oh, he's scared of me.
00:25:39
Well, let me see if I can make him scared, you know what I'm
00:25:42
saying? Like what?
00:25:44
To what extent is he going to go?
00:25:46
But you know what? Because I.
00:25:47
Was going to say he may not be scared, but what what he with
00:25:51
me, if he realizes something his targeted his son and his fucking
00:25:55
will, he going to be angry. That's going to be something
00:25:58
that, you know, I don't think Pennywise wants to deal with
00:26:02
either. But yeah, I I was just like that
00:26:08
poor little will because that baby, he'd have been through it.
00:26:13
But I feel like he he would use that anger though 'cause when he
00:26:17
when he used Henry Bowers to come after them when they were
00:26:21
grown cause Henry was still. At.
00:26:25
And what's the place called again?
00:26:26
Juniper Hill. Juniper.
00:26:27
Hill, he was still in Juniper Hill and he was, he was still
00:26:31
mad after all them years, even though he was clearly a little
00:26:34
little gone, but he was, he was like, oh, oh, I'm gonna get
00:26:38
them, you know, he was still like thinking about them kids so
00:26:41
he could use that anger and make him turn against the wrong
00:26:44
person. Yeah, but it's going to be
00:26:51
interesting to see how that works out because I, I'm kind of
00:26:54
like Anthony, like if, if this man has No Fear, we, we see even
00:27:00
with the, the flashback of the story that we hear later on
00:27:04
about the the monster's origin, he attacked grown, grown people.
00:27:10
Then now I don't know if you know, I think one of you
00:27:14
mentioned it in the last episode.
00:27:16
Maybe his preference turned to children because their, their
00:27:19
fear is more pure. So maybe that's why he targets
00:27:22
children now. But we see that wasn't always
00:27:25
the case. So I don't know at I, I think
00:27:31
Leroy is going to be case study because you don't have fear.
00:27:37
Obviously, you, you can't feel something that's akin to fear
00:27:40
because you worried about your son enough to haul ass and get
00:27:44
into that river and enough to go, you know, see who was
00:27:47
stalking outside your house. Again, that could just be anger,
00:27:51
but that could also be empathy or just love.
00:27:56
Like this is my son. Like I'm not scared, but I don't
00:28:00
want him to. I don't want him to be scared.
00:28:03
Well, however that works, I, I don't know what it's like to do
00:28:06
without fear. I'm scary, so I don't know.
00:28:13
But I, I think it's going to be interesting to see what happens
00:28:16
with him and how this moves forward.
00:28:18
Especially since he has an idea already that there is something
00:28:23
not quite right with dairy because of what the military
00:28:26
has. But also will Pennywise make
00:28:30
that connection and, and what would he do if he does like, oh,
00:28:37
wait, you're the same guy that was flying the plane that was
00:28:41
coming and look for me. And this is your like, will
00:28:45
Pennywise make that connection? And will he do something like on
00:28:51
purpose to try to, I, I don't know, maybe, maybe get rid of
00:28:59
Leroy or he'll try to get rid of Leroy because, OK, if this man
00:29:03
is not scared of you, then he's a threat to you.
00:29:05
He's a yeah, he's a huge threat. He's a threat, probably the only
00:29:09
threat that's in the town right now, aside from the, aside from
00:29:14
the the Indigenous people and the Indigenous people are just
00:29:18
basically like we know where to stay away from.
00:29:21
Right. You stay on your side.
00:29:22
I stay. On why?
00:29:24
Because what did they what did they say in the story?
00:29:27
They lived in harmony with him. They stayed away from out of his
00:29:31
hunting grounds and he stayed in the woods because he could.
00:29:34
He couldn't cross because of whatever.
00:29:37
Because they knew. Because.
00:29:38
He wasn't strong enough at that time.
00:29:40
Yeah, and they know his nature too.
00:29:42
Yeah. So I'm sure they, I don't want
00:29:46
to say they do psychological training, but by telling them
00:29:49
the stories and all this stuff and keeping them away from it,
00:29:54
they're, they're kind of prepared.
00:29:55
Mm Hmm. So he can't sneak up on him and
00:29:58
scare him to death. Yeah.
00:29:59
Because they had. Something.
00:30:00
They were ready. For.
00:30:01
Also, you know the one of the things they they also always
00:30:05
say, especially when it comes to like indigenous people, native,
00:30:08
native people, when they pass down their words, their oral
00:30:11
histories, that does have a kind of its own magic about.
00:30:15
It it does have power. You know, because especially the
00:30:18
way she told them she was like, I want you to repeat the story
00:30:20
like this is not, I, I know I've mentioned this before.
00:30:23
It's, it's not like a game of telephone where you tell
00:30:26
somebody this, they tell somebody this and y'all might
00:30:29
get a few of the details wrong. No, they make sure that they
00:30:33
tell these kids for and that they memorize.
00:30:35
And he said the the elders made us memorize this when we were 7.
00:30:41
And the way that he told that story is almost like he was
00:30:45
reading the book. They made sure they didn't, you
00:30:48
know, they didn't fudge on any of the details or anything.
00:30:51
So in a way, that has its own kind of power because they
00:30:54
believe that story. I remember the the reason why
00:30:58
the Losers Club was able to beat him is because they had
00:31:01
confidence and and knew what he was and was able to face him
00:31:05
down. But he can't.
00:31:07
He doesn't is very it seems like it it has a problem with that.
00:31:13
Like it has to really scare you and get that fear out of you.
00:31:16
If you can't, then it doesn't really have any power.
00:31:19
So it makes sense that the stories they tell make sure that
00:31:24
they're able to be protected against it.
00:31:28
And then also the conversation that the kids were having when,
00:31:32
you know, again, these are some smart kids because Lily was
00:31:36
like, well, what if there's a way for us, you know, if, if
00:31:38
it's coming after us with fear, you know, Will was like the he
00:31:43
was talking about the fear hormones.
00:31:45
He was like, yeah, adrenaline and cortisol.
00:31:48
He said a lot of a lot of predators when when there's a
00:31:52
lot of that in, in their prey, you know, it kind of excites
00:31:57
them and makes the hunt better for them.
00:31:59
And I was laughing at Ronnie and Rich because Ronnie was like,
00:32:04
well, let's assume that. Rich was like, no, I don't want
00:32:07
to assume that. That sounds horrible.
00:32:11
Like why are we going to do that?
00:32:13
Let's just not do that. But I mean, it makes sense for
00:32:17
what we know of of Pennywise and the way that that it operates.
00:32:21
Yeah. Again, it's going to be
00:32:24
interesting because we know Leroy doesn't have it.
00:32:29
And I, I don't know, maybe 'cause obviously Halloran has,
00:32:37
he has no problem being scared because you can see that it
00:32:40
when, when he saw his grandmother in the woods, he was
00:32:43
clearly scared. She was giving him a warning.
00:32:46
Yeah. You know, So I, I don't know if,
00:32:49
if, if it comes after him while he's with Hamlin, you know, I
00:32:56
guess kind of sort of like it was in the airplane.
00:32:58
But if he comes after him in a more gruesome way, let's say,
00:33:03
like what happened with Marge, like I, I don't know what
00:33:08
handling at that point. Will he still be immune to it or
00:33:12
I'd like. I don't, I don't know how that's
00:33:15
gonna work. I mean, I don't think he'd be
00:33:18
scared. But it's again, what do you, how
00:33:22
do you deal with an enemy that's not scared of you if you're pain
00:33:27
wise? You don't.
00:33:29
You don't mess with him. You don't.
00:33:30
You just don't. You don't like you don't.
00:33:34
Kind of like Howard said. He was like, yeah, I know not to
00:33:36
mess with you. Right.
00:33:38
I mean, 'cause it. I can't get what I want from
00:33:40
you, so why even bother? Like he's sensing everyone so
00:33:44
I'm not even going to deal with you.
00:33:46
And I also feel like if Dick can pull himself together, he might
00:33:52
be as strong as, if not stronger than it.
00:33:56
He's got to get over his fear if he realizes that it is doing it
00:34:04
psychically and he's like, wait a second, I'm also a psychic and
00:34:08
maybe he can battle it and he probably.
00:34:11
Can't 'cause I don't think it can hurt him as much, even
00:34:15
though he's scared, but I think that's the one thing that's
00:34:19
saving him. And I don't think he was
00:34:21
prepared again, without our preparation.
00:34:23
I don't think he was prepared in the helicopter because like you
00:34:27
said, like you said last episode, you pointed out he
00:34:30
wasn't. He wasn't supposed to.
00:34:32
He wasn't supposed to see them. Yeah.
00:34:33
It wasn't supposed to be, right? Yeah.
00:34:35
So he just got to get over his his hang ups and, and, and put
00:34:41
his mind to it because, you know, in the Shining, it seems
00:34:45
like he's a pretty powerful psychic.
00:34:48
And even in Doctor Sleep, he's a pretty powerful psychic.
00:34:51
So if they're going to go with that universe for this, then he
00:34:56
should be pretty powerful psychic.
00:35:00
OK. Or clairvoyant or whatever you
00:35:01
want to say. Yeah, 'cause I mean, obviously
00:35:04
we know he also makes it out of this, so he's not going to die
00:35:07
in this series. We know that.
00:35:09
No, he just got this out of the dodge.
00:35:12
I mean. I would too.
00:35:15
Maybe that maybe look, maybe that's why we don't see
00:35:17
Charlotte. Maybe Charlotte got got the hell
00:35:19
out of Dodge. Maybe she left.
00:35:21
And maybe for whatever reason, Leroy didn't leave.
00:35:23
Maybe maybe he's not having any fear was a reason for him to
00:35:28
stay. He's like, oh, OK, you know
00:35:29
what? He can't harm me.
00:35:30
At least I can stay here. And I mean, if we, if you think
00:35:34
about it and it, Mike is the one that stays.
00:35:39
He becomes like kind of sort of a historian.
00:35:42
He becomes the library. He is the one that retains the
00:35:46
memories of the stories of what happened.
00:35:48
Maybe it was, maybe it's similar for him what the Indigenous
00:35:52
people did. Maybe once what happens here
00:35:56
happens and Leroy is a part of that.
00:35:59
Leroy passes it down. The Will, of course, Will knows
00:36:02
all the stuff because Will is the one who's experiencing it
00:36:05
first hand right now. And maybe they are the ones who
00:36:08
pass it down to Mike and like, hey, somebody has to remember,
00:36:13
just like the Indigenous people. Maybe that's that's maybe that's
00:36:17
the tie with the handlers, because Will is kind of Ground
00:36:22
Zero at this point and Leroy doesn't have the fear factor.
00:36:25
Maybe that's what contributes to the handling staying there and
00:36:30
that could. I'm curious, I'm curious to see
00:36:32
how much Leroy retains because we know the monster puts the
00:36:39
adults in the fog and even the kids, as they grow older, they
00:36:43
forget what's happening. So.
00:36:47
But I wonder again if that has something to do with if him not
00:36:52
being from dairy will have an effect on that.
00:36:56
Right. And leaving because the kids
00:37:00
forgot because they left. Yeah, but everybody in the town
00:37:04
is like that. Well, they don't don't leave,
00:37:06
but they don't forget it. They gloss it over like they'll
00:37:10
be like, do you remember when you were a kid?
00:37:13
Yeah. I mean, some kids wouldn't
00:37:14
listen, but I think we're all fine.
00:37:17
Yeah, like the. Like they they have an
00:37:20
abnormally high number of children go missing in the.
00:37:22
City away. They ran away.
00:37:24
We never found. That's what the nurse said.
00:37:26
The nurse was like, what was what was it?
00:37:28
She said it was the the depression families, people are
00:37:32
trying to go get food and stuff like they remember, but they
00:37:36
didn't have to. They didn't deal with it because
00:37:39
the people who deal with Penny Wise didn't make it.
00:37:43
So there's a group that wouldn't know who he is.
00:37:45
They just know that kids were missing.
00:37:47
No one encountered him and survived.
00:37:50
I guess the reason I'm saying that is why would Leroy, after
00:37:54
all the crap happens, stay? Now that's what we gonna have to
00:37:58
find out 'cause that make no sense where he stays and raised
00:38:01
his family there his. Family.
00:38:03
There. Yeah, that part, I don't know.
00:38:05
That's. That's really You don't have to
00:38:07
have your farm in Maine. You can have your farmer open.
00:38:10
Right, We can go to Florida, I mean Georgia I that is the
00:38:14
that's. What I said question.
00:38:16
Interested to see right and they they have to find like I don't
00:38:20
know. Does she die the wife, Charlotte
00:38:25
Yale, you know, and they want to stay close to her box.
00:38:29
I thought, I just thought that after that maybe she left after
00:38:34
Will's father died, after Will dies in the fire with his wife.
00:38:39
She left. She'll be old at that point.
00:38:41
Yeah, I'm. I'm saying like maybe she had
00:38:45
been trying to leave, so you might be the person I think like
00:38:48
we need to get out of. Here and then you wouldn't leave
00:38:50
your grandkid there. Well, the way it works.
00:38:55
No, no dancing people do leave. Come on now, but and especially
00:38:59
given this character but this character that yeah.
00:39:02
And people do leave doing it because on it Part 2.
00:39:07
Unless I give her the benefit of.
00:39:08
That but it part. What she might be there She.
00:39:11
Might be there. Yeah, now she miss Nosy.
00:39:15
Now, we do admit that, but I didn't say she was not a bad
00:39:18
parent. She's trying to.
00:39:20
But then again, she could the only we only saw we only saw
00:39:25
Leroy for a brief moment, so it's possible that she could
00:39:29
have just been at the. Farm, yeah, but the.
00:39:31
But the question is not about Charlotte.
00:39:33
The question is why do you stay? Why stay?
00:39:39
That's what. I was asking why.
00:39:41
That's and they have to make that really good and people do
00:39:43
leave because you have it like it it too.
00:39:47
The couple, the guy was from Dairy, and he's bringing his
00:39:50
partner to Dairy for the carnival, for the fair.
00:39:55
So that means they didn't live there, they just came home.
00:39:59
Yeah. But ultimately, if you encounter
00:40:04
Pennywise, you don't live so well.
00:40:09
It's not like you. You got a losers club that that.
00:40:12
Yeah, that happened to And then they all left except for Mike,
00:40:16
and he remembered that he studied.
00:40:18
Yeah, 'cause once they put him back down for 20 something
00:40:21
years, they had a break so they could.
00:40:23
Yeah, but big is different 'cause that's not, that's not
00:40:26
like he's not from dairy and he's been seeing the world like
00:40:31
that all his life. So.
00:40:36
So yeah, look, we have four more episodes in this first season,
00:40:39
so maybe some of that will get answered because I think the
00:40:42
second season, third season, they're going further back in
00:40:45
the past, right? So.
00:40:47
So we gotta find out at what happens with Leroy and Charlotte
00:40:51
them in this season at least. Yeah.
00:40:55
'Cause we had to be in their time period for Season 2.
00:41:00
I know we better. They better not play no games.
00:41:03
Yeah. Leave us hanging.
00:41:05
Right, 'cause no, I don't, I don't think they would do that
00:41:09
because why would you make this family so prominent?
00:41:12
Like you're literally putting them, all three of them have
00:41:16
their hands in this Pennywise puzzle, even if it's kind of
00:41:20
like just adjacent, they're all in there.
00:41:24
So, yeah, you can't make them that important or that central
00:41:30
to the story and then just kind of drop it, not without having a
00:41:36
full riot and people abandoning the show.
00:41:41
So, So yeah, I guess we we may find out because that that would
00:41:45
be interesting. Like I really want to see how
00:41:49
Pennywise handles a person like Leroy who, who doesn't feel, who
00:41:54
doesn't have any fear and, and what do you do after that?
00:41:58
Because something tells me if if you have this one person that is
00:42:05
not affected by you, has No Fear about you for something like
00:42:12
Pennywise, Pennywise don't like being foiled.
00:42:14
We see, we know that he doesn't like people getting, you know,
00:42:19
over on him or one upping him. So you got to think there's
00:42:23
going to be something, there's going to be some kind of
00:42:26
consequence to it. Not that Leroy is doing it on
00:42:29
purpose. It just happens to be what
00:42:31
happens. But there's gonna be some kind
00:42:34
of reckoning and they unfortunately, it may be
00:42:38
Charlotte. Yeah, Which maybe Charlotte I
00:42:42
really would hate. I really hate it if they kill
00:42:44
her man. 'Cause.
00:42:49
So I don't know. I'm wearing that.
00:42:53
I feel like she she does bring something.
00:42:57
Yeah. That's needed.
00:42:59
Somebody need to question this shit.
00:43:02
Right, right, right. You know, just don't go in your
00:43:06
child's drawers in the back, underneath, on the side, take to
00:43:12
the What are these? Pictures.
00:43:15
That are not nudie pictures, they're not disgusting pictures,
00:43:18
they're not weird they're just statues I'm.
00:43:21
Sorry you you go digging for dirt but witch can find dirt.
00:43:26
Dirt kind of like she kind of like what she found when she
00:43:29
went to go visit Hal Grogan. So let's talk about Hal Grogan
00:43:31
for a minute. Anthony, you were you were kind
00:43:35
of hinting in the last episode that you figured out what Grogan
00:43:40
was doing before you saw this episode.
00:43:42
Was it what you? Was it what you thought it?
00:43:44
Was exactly what I thought it was, the exact 'cause they gave
00:43:48
no indication that he was like a drug addict or anything.
00:43:53
Right now this dude was hanging out with some some.
00:43:56
He was probably with some white chick.
00:43:58
I want to guess she was married. And for a minute I was thinking
00:44:03
that's who it was. Lily's mom is what I was
00:44:07
originally thinking. Oh.
00:44:09
Oh. But she, she but.
00:44:10
But I, I I tossed that. I tossed that idea.
00:44:14
But yeah, I figured that's what it was.
00:44:16
Because what? What?
00:44:18
That is the only thing that a black man at that time period
00:44:22
would not admit to or say to anybody.
00:44:26
No, because Dina and I was thinking he might have been
00:44:29
seeing another man. He could have been.
00:44:31
Something else? No, he if it was another black
00:44:35
man, why do they? They don't care about that.
00:44:38
Y'all fooling around with each other, who cares about that?
00:44:41
Nah at the time. Now there's, I mean, not not as
00:44:45
much as him messing around with a with a white woman, but.
00:44:48
If they would have made fun of him, they would have told
00:44:51
everybody in the town, but they would not have cut his balls off
00:44:55
and lynch them from a tree. Through.
00:44:57
That that is not the same kind of fear, embarrassment and shame
00:45:01
is not the same as fearing for your life.
00:45:04
Oh. No, I get that.
00:45:06
Those are two totally different things.
00:45:08
So yeah, of course a black man at the time, no man at the time
00:45:11
would admit that they were gay because they would be
00:45:14
embarrassed and shamed, right? But no black man at that time
00:45:18
period would ever admit to being with a white woman, much much
00:45:23
less self married white woman. Yeah, yeah.
00:45:26
Come on. Out that 'cause that was wild.
00:45:29
Yeah, 'cause when? 'Cause both of them be dead,
00:45:31
yeah. She was like.
00:45:32
No, she was like. A married woman, like not just
00:45:35
married. I was like.
00:45:37
He was like beat her, but she would be dead.
00:45:40
But now the question is, who is the husband?
00:45:44
Who is it? Yeah, just who is it, period.
00:45:47
Who is it? Not the captain.
00:45:49
Oh God. Hopefully not the captain.
00:45:52
Oh, that would put. Some bets on that.
00:45:54
Who it is really, put some. Bets on, right I mean.
00:45:59
Not the one, it's the captain's wife.
00:46:02
I mean. Who's not the one?
00:46:03
Yeah, I was going to say we we haven't really met anybody in
00:46:07
the town except for the captain, the general, maybe a couple of
00:46:11
the military guys, but but nobody that it would I, I don't
00:46:18
know, nothing. Nobody would be like Oh my God,
00:46:22
except for. Except for Chief Bowers, I mean.
00:46:27
And maybe I mean if if if her, but she'll.
00:46:35
Be kind of old, wouldn't she 'cause she's.
00:46:39
Well, it depends 'cause they she didn't have to be, 'cause he oh,
00:46:42
you know that, you know that and you know.
00:46:45
That they never. Got to.
00:46:46
Be the same age. You're right, especially at that
00:46:49
time. Yeah, that's true.
00:46:52
She. Could be a OK, but.
00:46:57
But also just, you know, 'cause if we 'cause that's supposed to
00:47:00
be, is that Henry Bauer's granddaddy or his daddy is?
00:47:05
Granddaddy. I think that's his.
00:47:07
It's his granddaddy. He'll be his granddad right
00:47:12
'cause he's about their age and the he's.
00:47:14
About their age, yeah. Oh, that's right.
00:47:16
Yeah. The losers club age.
00:47:18
Yeah. So yeah, everybody.
00:47:19
'S got history of remember, there's gonna be like a history
00:47:24
of like that black man slept with my grandma and then my
00:47:30
grandparents got I mean, that would explain why Henry Bowers
00:47:34
is racist, I mean. Racist, right?
00:47:37
It it would explain, but yeah. Oh my God, yeah.
00:47:45
That that would be interesting, but I mean, but either way it
00:47:48
goes. I mean he how got a problem now,
00:47:52
because you can't say where you were.
00:47:55
You know, obviously your alibi shot 'cause I was really your
00:47:58
Mama was so adamant about the fact that you was there.
00:48:01
I really thought that you was there and I guess Mama thought
00:48:05
it too. But like you said, Mama was
00:48:07
probably asleep. Read her Bible and.
00:48:10
Right, she doesn't know in and out that house.
00:48:14
Both of them was out the house now that she didn't even know
00:48:18
she. Said I thought he was in his.
00:48:20
Room right and obviously thought Ronnie was in hers too when she
00:48:24
was at the theater showing showing a a weird move it to
00:48:29
friends while they're getting torn apart so.
00:48:32
And then her dad thought she was home with with granny.
00:48:34
The granny ain't paying to nobody.
00:48:37
It's 10:00. Do you know where your children
00:48:39
are? In the room, did you go check?
00:48:43
Can you check where your? Young children and your grown
00:48:46
children are 'cause obviously, Mama Grogan, don't.
00:48:55
Oh, so no, here's the thing. OK, so maybe it's not the chief,
00:49:00
'cause I was just thinking he seems to work days.
00:49:05
Yeah, he went over to the house and it was 11:00-ish or whatever
00:49:09
time it was. OK, so whoever it is has to work
00:49:12
overnight. So that's why I thought it was
00:49:16
Lily's mom but. But she she doesn't have a
00:49:20
husband. But maybe they were doing it
00:49:23
like when he was still alive, maybe.
00:49:26
No, no, because recent. Yeah, because he but the husband
00:49:30
has to has to have the night job.
00:49:33
That's what you said. Right, like 'cause that he's
00:49:36
sneaking over to see her at night, so the husband has to
00:49:38
work overnight. Captain Captain's at the bar or
00:49:42
his pre seat, but that's that's. Well, he, yeah, I mean, I mean,
00:49:46
he could very well be working late, but it seems like he's
00:49:49
always there, mostly during the day.
00:49:51
Yeah, but he's here at night. He had the bar, remember?
00:49:55
He go and get his balls in. Yeah, but.
00:49:57
That's pushing it though. Like you just know he going to
00:50:00
be at the bar all night long. And she said she could be at
00:50:02
Bridge. I don't know.
00:50:05
No, I don't know. Well, I guess it also depends on
00:50:08
where he goes when he meets her to be honest, because.
00:50:11
Right, because I was going to say one, you're in a small town.
00:50:14
Yeah. So you are a black man with a
00:50:17
white woman that if y'all are out in public anywhere that's
00:50:20
going to be noticeable. Well, he's smoking cigarettes in
00:50:24
the alley, is he? He waiting for 'cause that's
00:50:26
that's where he was with her. Well, then what they doing
00:50:30
that's. Where they found the cigarettes?
00:50:31
Wow. I mean, you know, some people.
00:50:34
Hit it in the alley if that. If they got nowhere else to go,
00:50:37
so. It didn't quit it in the alley,
00:50:39
right? Or or something I.
00:50:43
Mean obviously he not taking it to the theater.
00:50:46
Right. Well, at least that part.
00:50:48
We know that. Right.
00:50:50
At least that and so I guess it could be could be.
00:50:54
Poor enough where she's like it, but you know, they the husband
00:50:57
works at somewhere overnight and then they have like a little
00:51:01
apt, a little something little building or something they can
00:51:03
go to. So I don't know but it just
00:51:06
don't seem worth it whatever he doing.
00:51:09
It's love. 'Cause you he he never said
00:51:13
love, he just said I was with a woman.
00:51:15
Then he said it just happened so.
00:51:21
Wait a minute, like it it just happened?
00:51:24
Like we didn't. A night in the alley, yeah.
00:51:26
It's just, it just sort of happened.
00:51:30
Our relationship just kind of came from like, you know,
00:51:33
talking about movies. Anybody family into movies?
00:51:38
Maybe they taught that the movie theater.
00:51:40
Maybe we need to go back to the first episode.
00:51:42
There might be a hint or a clue. Good.
00:51:46
Point. Yeah, I mean, I see now Anthony
00:51:52
got me thinking about Lily's mom because I don't know when Ronnie
00:51:59
remember, Ronnie came to the house to go off on Lily and the
00:52:03
mom was like, you need to get out of here.
00:52:06
What did she do? She called granny.
00:52:08
She was like, you better get out of here before I call your
00:52:10
grandmother. How you you got her grandmother
00:52:12
on speed dial like her? Like Lily and Ronnie literally
00:52:17
just met. So unless she has well, I mean,
00:52:23
they have the white pages back, man, but you just gonna say I'm
00:52:27
a call your grandmother you so you know the number.
00:52:31
Like, I don't know. Now I'm starting to think,
00:52:33
Anthony, it might be. And she work nights, she knows
00:52:38
what she's doing during those nights.
00:52:40
And. She might not be working every
00:52:42
night. And.
00:52:43
She would and they go to the. Alley well, not only that too,
00:52:48
but also she could be the one panicking when Ronnie is there
00:52:52
because she knows oops, they got him in jail because they think
00:52:56
he did this. But I can't say anything because
00:52:58
they'll she could be thinking the same thing too and Ronnie
00:53:02
showing up at her doorstep might have panicked her.
00:53:04
I'm, I'm gonna have to go back and look at that episode now to
00:53:08
see that interaction between her and.
00:53:10
See now y'all y'all thinking like me now that's good I like
00:53:13
that y'all see what I see. Because you got to, you got to
00:53:18
wonder when he says he's messing around with a married woman and
00:53:21
it's a married white woman. Like Charlotte wouldn't even say
00:53:25
it out. She had to whisper like, so it's
00:53:29
one of those things where you start thinking, OK, let's see
00:53:33
who can fit the bill cuz we don't see most of the younger
00:53:38
white people that we've seen in the town have always been
00:53:41
walking with a boyfriend or husband.
00:53:43
In the background, yeah. Yeah, in the background, the
00:53:46
only other prominent white woman that we've seen is the the hoity
00:53:50
toity older woman, and I'm sorry that just don't seem like house
00:53:54
tight and she don't seem like the type who would cuz she's the
00:53:57
one that's looking at them like. Doesn't, doesn't Lily's Mama
00:54:01
smoke? Oh.
00:54:05
I know at that time I don't know.
00:54:07
She she take pills though. Yeah, she definitely.
00:54:09
Yeah. We gotta get to that.
00:54:12
We take pills. Yeah.
00:54:17
OK, so maybe she taking pills in the back alley, I don't know.
00:54:21
I mean, she might, she might have to if she look, she knows
00:54:24
she doing wrong, she might have to in order to ease her anxiety,
00:54:28
right? Mommy's little helper indeed.
00:54:33
But so I guess since we're talking about the pills, let's
00:54:36
let's get to the pills 'cause I gotta talk, we gotta talk about
00:54:41
Marge, cause boy, first of all. OK, I'm not.
00:54:49
I'm not one to wish harm on children, no.
00:54:51
Of course not. I'm not.
00:54:54
But Marge, you set yourself up. She might.
00:54:57
Have got what she deserved. What she did, just a little.
00:55:00
Bit. She did just a.
00:55:02
Little bit, just a little bit. Yeah, But, you know, Dina and I
00:55:07
was having this conversation again before we started
00:55:09
recording. And I we were thinking about
00:55:11
that because she was saying that, you know, Lily was in the
00:55:14
bathroom stall and she was kind of oblivious to what was going
00:55:19
on. And it was kind of like, OK,
00:55:21
Pennywise was ignoring her because March was already
00:55:25
exhibiting kind of fear because she was scared to tell Lily the
00:55:28
truth. She was trying to confess to
00:55:30
Lily that, hey, I know I told you this guy like you, but I was
00:55:33
setting you up because they're going to bear, you know, the
00:55:35
Patty cakes are going to use him to embarrass you.
00:55:38
And she was a part of that. She was scared.
00:55:40
And Pennywise fed on that scare. But at the same time, I was
00:55:43
thinking, I said he didn't go after Lily because in that
00:55:47
moment, Lily was happy. She she had nothing to fear.
00:55:52
She. Oh yeah, she was.
00:55:53
I can't believe. She likes me.
00:55:55
She was so how Amber. Yeah, he probably couldn't even.
00:56:00
I don't I don't know how this works with him.
00:56:02
Like maybe he senses the fear and made.
00:56:05
So maybe if she was that happy, he didn't even notice she was
00:56:08
there. See, I always feel like he just
00:56:10
monitors them looking for a moment.
00:56:14
And in his monitoring of Lily, he's like, oh, what?
00:56:17
What we got going on over here? Yeah.
00:56:21
And he just kind of. And she just kind of perked his
00:56:23
interest because she was already in the heightened state of fear.
00:56:28
You mean March? Yeah, March.
00:56:30
So he's monitoring Lily, waiting for a moment, and then something
00:56:36
pops up on his radar and he sees March is like, oh, here's a
00:56:41
tasty snack. And he directs his attention to
00:56:43
her. I don't even think it's just
00:56:45
Lily. I think he monitors them all
00:56:47
because other kids are missing. We just don't.
00:56:50
We just not in their story. Yeah.
00:56:53
He's monitoring all the kids, but he's he was paying
00:56:57
particular attention to Lily 'cause she looks like she's
00:57:00
going to be a real tasty snack when he's done with her.
00:57:03
Yeah, that poor baby. And she tends to attract scary
00:57:06
people, too. Yeah, yeah.
00:57:10
But the the whole thing with Mars, first of all, the eyes
00:57:14
thing, because when you're when you're listening to the
00:57:17
classroom lecture and he's talking about the snails in the
00:57:20
eyes. It was like, why they showing us
00:57:22
this? I should have known.
00:57:23
I should have known. I should have known, But when,
00:57:27
when Marge's eyes start bulging out and she starts having the
00:57:31
issues and she runs out. Lily, of course, you know, she
00:57:36
is taking some of her pills, her mom's pills, and giving them to
00:57:41
the other three because she was like, yeah, you know, my mom
00:57:44
says anytime she gets scared of stress, she takes these.
00:57:47
And it just, it's like her, her, her worries float away.
00:57:52
So she's trying to take her pill when she hears Marge panicking
00:57:55
because she has figured out she's like, OK, it's he or she's
00:57:59
like, whatever you see, don't look at it.
00:58:01
She doesn't realize that it's literally messing with Marge's
00:58:04
eyes. But she tries to take the pill
00:58:07
and she drops it into the toilet and at one point you see her
00:58:11
trying to go for the pill in the toilet.
00:58:13
And my daughter was like, no, don't do that.
00:58:16
She better not do that. I said no.
00:58:18
I said, believe me, the stuff that Pennywise has shown this
00:58:20
little girl already, she's probably.
00:58:22
She's going to dig in there. In the toilet.
00:58:24
Right, right, right. If I don't care, I need the
00:58:29
peel. I need the peel.
00:58:31
Me for even 60 seconds. I will take that 60 seconds of
00:58:36
bliss rather. Than this fear.
00:58:39
But of course, you know, once Marge runs out the bathroom, she
00:58:42
follows her. Marge goes into the shop
00:58:45
classroom of all. Places, well, she for a reason.
00:58:49
It was only door that was unlocked, yeah.
00:58:52
Also, she wanted to cut her ass. Now she.
00:58:55
She needed the equipment. She yeah, yeah.
00:58:58
But I, I don't think that was her intent.
00:59:00
She was just trying. I think she may have been trying
00:59:03
to find someone to help her. I don't think even think she was
00:59:05
just, she was just trying to figure out what was going on.
00:59:07
Like why are my eyes? No, she she went straight
00:59:11
forward. She went straight for self harm.
00:59:13
Sorry everyone. I do feel, I do wonder because I
00:59:15
was like, how bad was it hurting?
00:59:18
Or was it just because it was the place that she had the
00:59:21
biggest issue with herself, with her looks and.
00:59:25
Or with the eyes. Was it just painful or was it
00:59:28
just Oh my God I look terrible? I think probably the pain
00:59:33
because I mean, the way that they the way that they show it,
00:59:36
it's like her eyeball balls are coming out.
00:59:39
That's got to hurt it. I'm I mean because wondering
00:59:42
like. It I say it's both because from
00:59:45
the beginning she is self-conscious about her eyes.
00:59:48
Very self-conscious about her eyes.
00:59:50
She is that's the reason why I even freaked her out in the get
00:59:53
go 'cause she's always adjusting.
00:59:56
I mean, it's her eyes. Her eyes is what and people
01:00:01
right? And people talk about how big
01:00:02
her eyes are. They probably don't talk about
01:00:06
it. But for a person who have big
01:00:07
eyes, I know. So it's like that's a constant
01:00:11
talking about. That's the issue she has.
01:00:14
So between the pain and also that is the one thing I can't
01:00:18
stand. Is Lily out the here?
01:00:22
Oh my. Gosh, she, she tries to, she
01:00:25
picks up the, she picks up a, a tool and she's literally trying
01:00:29
to cut it. I I don't know what she thought
01:00:32
she was doing, but she was, I don't know if she thought maybe
01:00:35
it was a growth, maybe it was some attached.
01:00:37
I don't, I don't know if she was aware that these were her actual
01:00:41
eyes that she was going to be digging in.
01:00:43
I I think she was just so far gone at that point and probably
01:00:47
just so in pain. She was just like, what is this
01:00:49
panic? Yeah, and, and she tries to
01:00:53
gouge her eye out and that doesn't work.
01:00:56
And then she sees the fucking table saw.
01:00:58
I was like, she is not about to. Yep, she sure is.
01:01:03
And she puts her face on the thing and she's trying to saw
01:01:07
off her eyeballs. And Lily walks and she gets into
01:01:11
the classroom just as this is happening.
01:01:13
She grabs Marsh, throws her on the ground.
01:01:16
Marge is still trying to do whatever.
01:01:18
She grabs the tool again and she's trying to literally cut
01:01:21
her eyeball out. And I was just looking at this
01:01:24
like this. I was like, literally get off
01:01:26
her, get off her, get off her. This is not what you want.
01:01:28
This is not what you want. And.
01:01:32
Literally as soon as she grabs the tool to try to get Marsh to
01:01:35
stop, she's got the bloody tool in her hand like this and
01:01:40
everybody wants. It that makes me laugh in.
01:01:44
Classroom. I was just like her.
01:01:49
He didn't have to do anything to her.
01:01:51
He fucked her up right here. He just made sure she was going
01:01:54
to get another one way ticket to Juniper Hill where he would be
01:01:58
able to mess with her the whole time.
01:02:00
But you know. How's she going to get out of
01:02:02
this? How's she going to get out of
01:02:03
this? Yeah, Marge would literally have
01:02:05
to. Tell that it that it wasn't her,
01:02:07
that I did it to myself. Marge was not her.
01:02:09
Yeah, because. That's the only way.
01:02:12
Because she took she took the tool out of Martha's hand.
01:02:15
Right. Yeah, yeah.
01:02:17
But she's always saying the other thing about the Juniper
01:02:22
Hill thing that kind of bugs me. I don't feel like something
01:02:30
ain't right about that nurse. It's not actually Michelle.
01:02:34
That's it. I don't like her.
01:02:36
Something right with her. Something's not right with her.
01:02:39
It's not a rat chicken. I'm.
01:02:40
Kidding. Yeah.
01:02:41
And see, that's the problem. That's what I think of.
01:02:43
So, no, because one, I when when Lily meets with you to tell you
01:02:50
what's going on, like, and to find out, hey, have these
01:02:54
disappearances happened before and stuff like that, you are way
01:02:58
too calm to talk to her. And you are just a nurse.
01:03:01
You're not a doctor, You're not a psychiatrist.
01:03:04
You're, I don't know, just the way that she was with her.
01:03:08
She was like, yeah, we had some disappearances, but it was this
01:03:12
like she was kind of explaining it away.
01:03:14
And then she was like, oh, nothing like what you said.
01:03:17
But you know what? That's no excuse for you not to
01:03:20
continue digging around and finding some shit.
01:03:24
What? I got Pennywise vibes for her.
01:03:27
That, you know, I was wondering that too.
01:03:29
I was like, either Penny Watts is influencing her or she, she's
01:03:38
just a regular human and something right, 'cause when she
01:03:40
was sitting there and she reached over and she grabbed her
01:03:43
hand, I was like, no, no, no. Something just don't seem right.
01:03:51
And I don't know if that's if that'll play in the next episode
01:03:56
because of course, like I said, right now, they're they're going
01:03:59
to either lock Lily up or they're going to send her back
01:04:02
to Juniper Hill. They'll probably send her back
01:04:03
to Juniper Hill. Because now you know, you've had
01:04:07
you've had your first visit after your dad died.
01:04:10
You, you had your second visit after the pickle incident.
01:04:13
You just went to the police station and told them that you
01:04:16
were being chased by ghosts of your dad, friends in the
01:04:19
cemetery. And now you are like hunched
01:04:22
over one of your friends with a weapon in her eyes.
01:04:26
And you know, the police chief already kind of put it out there
01:04:31
that, well, if Hal Grogan didn't do it, then maybe people might
01:04:36
say that you did it 'cause you were with them and blah, blah,
01:04:39
blah. And now you literally are are
01:04:42
caught in a situation where it looks like you were trying to
01:04:45
kill another child, another friend of yours.
01:04:49
So I don't know, I feel like if March doesn't say anything, if
01:04:55
they put her back in Juniper Hill, the nurse can either say,
01:04:58
well, you know, she did come to me and ask me about this, but I
01:05:03
don't think that would look good for her either because it's
01:05:05
going to be like, why are you asking me about dead children
01:05:08
right before you quote UN quote attack another child.
01:05:13
I don't know something about that nurse.
01:05:14
Just don't sit right with me. She real sketchy.
01:05:19
What are y'all watching in the background?
01:05:20
March I I can tell cause 'cause the way y'all's faces are
01:05:25
looking I was like they must be watching Marge in the
01:05:28
background. Yeah, I'll be back to see if
01:05:31
Marge had tried to open any doors now.
01:05:33
She went straight to the shop. And then she really freaked out
01:05:36
when she saw herself in the mirror.
01:05:38
Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, she did.
01:05:40
Yeah, Oh my gosh. I mean.
01:05:45
I'm like you, Anthony. I don't wanna wish harm.
01:05:47
But again, we're talking about fictional characters, so I don't
01:05:49
feel quite that bad. Because she was.
01:05:51
She's a horrible character. She's.
01:05:53
Horrible. Like.
01:05:54
And to be fair, I get it there. She's just a bad friend.
01:05:58
Who get picked on to the extent where they feel like they gotta
01:06:01
do that because they're so tired of being picked on.
01:06:03
They're so tired of being in the butt of the joke.
01:06:05
They feel like they gotta push but like that's the thing, you
01:06:08
should never turn against people who you feel are less than you
01:06:12
are less fortunate or less popular.
01:06:14
Or who you've been best friends with since the 1st.
01:06:17
Grade to make yourself better, because like that it never pays
01:06:20
off. That's just stupid to do that.
01:06:22
It just never pays off. It's never a good thing to do,
01:06:25
but that's what happens these kids when they're bullied, then
01:06:28
they start being a bully, especially if they get popular.
01:06:31
And you know what? That's why I had no problems
01:06:34
with 11 hitting Angela in the face with the escape.
01:06:37
It's stranger to see things for. Oh I thought she was going to
01:06:41
say something about Lucas cause Lucas was on that path.
01:06:46
About being being a bully. Yeah, yeah, I could.
01:06:50
I could see it was. It football.
01:06:52
Basketball. Basketball, basketball.
01:06:54
But but I was kind of like, you know, I think kind of symbol.
01:07:00
I do kind of sympathize with Marge.
01:07:03
I understand that and we will address that comment later.
01:07:07
I just need to stop because he wasn't no low key.
01:07:09
He was doing it for everyone. But we will carry on, but we
01:07:13
will talk after this recording. Uh.
01:07:16
Oh, Anthony, you in trouble? I had the process.
01:07:20
I'm like, he is talking about my oh, no, we will.
01:07:24
No, we will talk about that. No.
01:07:29
But, but I, you know, I will, this is the, this is the way I,
01:07:34
I kind of feel about this whole March situation.
01:07:37
Like, yes, I do feel like March in a lot of ways.
01:07:40
She is also a victim because like you said, when, when you're
01:07:43
being bullied, especially with that kind of power structure in
01:07:47
that day and age, like you really are trying to stay afloat
01:07:52
and you already like you're already walking the line because
01:07:56
everyone knows that your so-called best friend is a
01:07:59
looney. You know, she, she belongs in
01:08:01
the loony band supposedly because of everything that she's
01:08:04
been through. So you're trying to walk, you're
01:08:07
trying to tow the fence. I I get it.
01:08:13
I guess the problem that I have is just that you already know
01:08:17
your friend is going through some shit.
01:08:19
Yeah, that's really. And you just don't have the the
01:08:23
like Lily, look for society, you know, Scooter, Paddy case.
01:08:27
I don't care about them. I got more important things to
01:08:29
worry about. Because she do.
01:08:31
And this is somebody who everybody else thinks doesn't
01:08:35
have, you know, she's got to lose her, her screws, little
01:08:38
she, she ain't got it all together, but she's the one that
01:08:41
can stand up for him. You can at least say, you know
01:08:43
what, I'm not going to do this because that's my friend, right?
01:08:48
But she did it. Now she got to pay for it.
01:08:53
So my question is, when are the other two Patty cakes going to
01:08:57
get what they got coming to them?
01:08:59
Because they are the instigators and I I have a feeling like
01:09:04
they're probably going to start being scared now because now you
01:09:07
don't pushed you don't push the crazy girl to the point where
01:09:11
you think now she has she has attacked the person that you
01:09:14
sent to to betray her. Y'all got to be worried now so
01:09:19
you you're giving Pennywise fresh fresh bait.
01:09:24
But I, I'm kind of like, I mean, you see my screen name, She had
01:09:27
it coming at. She had it coming.
01:09:31
Yes, that's exactly what I was. Coming because I was like, you
01:09:34
know what? I don't, I don't want her to
01:09:37
die. I know I said it a couple
01:09:39
episodes ago, I don't want her to die, but I did feel like she
01:09:42
needed to be humble however. She needed something, yeah.
01:09:45
I was not expecting it to be something like this, but OK, It
01:09:50
is what it is. You were doing some bullshit and
01:09:52
you had bullshit done to you. Like we said, Pennywise can be
01:09:56
petty, but now it's kind of like, and all of that now Lily
01:10:05
is back in trouble. She's, you know, she's going to
01:10:08
be back in Juniper Hill. And then you have your friends,
01:10:13
Ronnie, Will and Rich come in and they see what's going on.
01:10:16
Now, I'm sure they they probably figured out that has to do with
01:10:21
this thing. But again, they can't go tell
01:10:24
anyone because they're already on the radar as Oh, OK, y'all
01:10:28
one, y'all are hanging with the crazy girl.
01:10:31
Yeah, y'all went to the police station and said some crazy
01:10:34
stuff. So.
01:10:36
They can't even open their mouths to to defend her at this
01:10:40
point. Yeah.
01:10:42
So now she's going to be in Juniper Hill scared, alone and
01:10:49
with that crazy nurse, 'cause I'm sorry, that something
01:10:51
something right about that nurse.
01:10:54
I just, I don't think Lily is going to make it through the
01:10:58
season. I just don't see it happening.
01:11:02
And if she does, like I'm sitting here trying to remember,
01:11:06
like maybe she was, maybe she was a patient in Juniper Hill in
01:11:10
the original it. I don't remember because, again,
01:11:12
it's been so long since I've read the book.
01:11:15
Yeah, I don't, but. Never, not anything.
01:11:19
I just things don't look good for her.
01:11:21
Like Pennywise left her alone this episode and still got her.
01:11:25
Yeah, just. And and like I told Dina, OK, So
01:11:32
what they were talking about today, they they were talking
01:11:35
about the fact that, you know, Maddie was seeing strange things
01:11:39
before he disappeared or died. So did Phil.
01:11:43
So did Teddy. You know, again, we Susie was
01:11:46
just collateral damage. The question is, why hasn't he
01:11:53
eaten Lily yet? It's not like she hasn't had the
01:11:58
opportunity. It's.
01:12:00
Not enough, maybe because she's the thing that's drawing in the
01:12:02
others. She and think about it, she is
01:12:05
the she is the common denominator out of all of the
01:12:07
friends. Right, right.
01:12:09
And really, if we start really paying attention to her fear
01:12:12
factor, it's not, it's not how meat's not juicy enough right
01:12:18
now. Because she's not because she
01:12:23
knows what's going on, right, 'cause like literally even
01:12:26
before, even when she heard Marty in the, in the pipes, like
01:12:32
she had the, the forefront to go and talk to someone about it.
01:12:36
Other kids are hearing people in pipes and they're freaking out.
01:12:40
And she's like, this is interesting.
01:12:43
Like, 'cause she probably, I'm sorry, she probably have heard
01:12:45
and seen some things. Well, when we got the pan
01:12:50
through at Jennifer Hill and you can hear people screaming in the
01:12:53
background, people sobbing off to the side, I get.
01:12:57
Yeah. I mean, I guess she's not
01:12:59
really. You're right.
01:13:01
She hasn't, really. She's been really afraid.
01:13:04
She's the person who's. Drawing them in for him, even
01:13:07
though she, I don't she's not aware she's doing it.
01:13:10
But like Michelle said, she's the one that's not, not so
01:13:14
scared that she's not telling people.
01:13:16
She's going and telling people. She's telling her friends and
01:13:20
and telling her friends. Her friends are being drawn into
01:13:23
this. So she's literally adding to the
01:13:26
plate. She's adding to the buffet tray.
01:13:28
Right, It's it's two of them because Ronnie, Ronnie is the
01:13:31
same way. Like, she did freak out with her
01:13:35
mom, you know, giving birth on the bed and all.
01:13:38
But she's also both of them are like, Ronnie is just her.
01:13:42
She has anger. Yeah, too.
01:13:45
So she's holding back the fear. Yeah.
01:13:48
They're. They're not ready yet.
01:13:50
They like Cornish hens. He wants the turkeys.
01:13:55
Yeah, so like, like I said, I feel like the other two Patty
01:14:00
cake girls. Hey, this is a Friday night, you
01:14:03
know. Well, probably.
01:14:05
They will probably be next on the list.
01:14:07
And then like I said earlier, we haven't seen riches.
01:14:13
He hasn't started experiencing any of any of the visions or
01:14:17
anything yet, so I have a feeling he's going to be next
01:14:20
now. I think he might be difficult
01:14:24
too because he already has something he can put in, like he
01:14:29
has an ID. He, he would be like the
01:14:33
indigenous people where he has, he has a category, he can place
01:14:39
it like, oh, I know what this is.
01:14:43
So he won't be as afraid like they got him in the cemetery.
01:14:48
But he was just thinking, OK, well, maybe it actually worked,
01:14:52
you know what I mean? And so he has a place to put it
01:14:56
to, to place it. And like everyone else who they
01:14:59
don't have an idea so it's freaking them out.
01:15:01
Yeah, yeah. And then I know we mentioned
01:15:04
this earlier in the the season, like the first episode or
01:15:08
something. Do do we still think the turtle
01:15:11
charm has anything to do with why Lily is not being affected
01:15:15
as or why he's not coming after her as much?
01:15:18
Maddie. 'S charm.
01:15:19
I think those are just Easter eggs.
01:15:20
I don't think so. OK, so, but yeah, I mean, yeah,
01:15:26
like I said, I feel like she's, he realized that she's the thing
01:15:29
that's probably drawing people in and he's like, Oh yeah, I'm,
01:15:32
I'm going to keep using her because now, you know, she was
01:15:36
friends with Maddie. She was, she became friends very
01:15:40
briefly with Teddy and Phil, but it was because of what she told
01:15:44
them that, you know, like once she told them what happened and
01:15:49
what she saw or, you know, with Maddie, remember, it was
01:15:53
literally the day after that Teddy had his vision, You know,
01:16:01
I so, yeah, I she could be the thing that's just drawing
01:16:07
everything. You know, think about it.
01:16:10
Ronnie would have never been involved if she if they hadn't
01:16:13
said, oh, yeah. Well, you know, nobody, nobody,
01:16:16
we told you nobody was going to believe you talking about the
01:16:18
pipes. And Ronnie's like, oh, wait,
01:16:19
hold up, talk about that. This is her drawing Ronnie.
01:16:23
And she's already got 10 feeling now she's got Ronnie.
01:16:27
Ronnie, you know, because of everything that they're going
01:16:29
through. She goes back to Ronnie.
01:16:31
Ronnie's like, oh, OK. Well, you know, we can bring in
01:16:34
Will. He can help us.
01:16:35
Will brings in, I mean, not with.
01:16:39
Yeah, Ronnie brings in Will for the camp.
01:16:41
I was going to say Ronnie was hearing voices in the pipes.
01:16:45
Yeah. So he was already coming from
01:16:46
Rodney before she even hooked up with them.
01:16:49
I'm telling you, he has. He puts out feelers every other
01:16:54
day. If he wasn't, he was going to
01:16:58
get to the other two. Boys, he was going to without
01:17:02
anybody, 'cause he got, he got Marty.
01:17:05
I mean, like, would Ronnie have said anything about the voices
01:17:10
if she didn't overheard them? She was.
01:17:13
And, and no, but I'm just saying I'm we took independently, we
01:17:16
took out Pennywise. He's been putting out feelers,
01:17:18
though. 'Cause he, yeah, she hasn't
01:17:20
reacted differently to the voices she was hearing in the
01:17:23
pipes. She may have been a target
01:17:26
eventually at some point. She probably.
01:17:28
Whether or not she was going to meet Lily and talk to them.
01:17:31
About and I think the boys will. Already hearing voices in the
01:17:35
pipes. Because The thing is, he's going
01:17:37
to try different things. If a kid is not successful to
01:17:41
it, again, I move on, 'cause she could have been like, oh, I must
01:17:45
be imagining and, and ignored it.
01:17:47
And, and then he would have went on to the next kid in the
01:17:49
neighborhood and figure out you, you see what I'm saying?
01:17:52
Like the reason he's getting the kids some kids and not others is
01:17:56
1. There's some susceptible to it
01:17:58
and he's trying different things and there's some that be like,
01:18:01
oh, that's nothing. But then it was something I read
01:18:04
that he comes in different ways. So I can't think of the
01:18:08
character. Then you'll have to help me.
01:18:11
But the guy who was friends to the crazy guy who killed his dad
01:18:19
and went to the. Oh, the one that he was there
01:18:24
seeing when he was in the he was seeing him.
01:18:26
He was dead, but he was seeing him when he when Pennywise came
01:18:29
to him in the Crazy House. That's Harry Bowers, right?
01:18:32
No, no, his friend. He's somebody friend.
01:18:34
His friend who end up being like his sidekick with Dad.
01:18:38
I can't. Remember.
01:18:40
But when he was a kid and then it was said like Pennywise
01:18:45
couldn't scare him because he was a psychopath kid because he
01:18:48
like burned animals and and he liked disturbing things.
01:18:53
So instead of scaring him, he brought them in by showing him
01:18:56
disturbing things. And that pulled that sucked him
01:18:59
in. And then he then he turned it on
01:19:01
them and then the fear happened. But to get him, he couldn't
01:19:05
scare him, but he just 'cause he was crazy.
01:19:08
So he's just showed him things. So like he's trying different
01:19:12
stuff with different kids to see which one catches the bait and
01:19:15
which don't. Which is wild.
01:19:21
But he got lucky when they were all together like this is like.
01:19:27
Christmas and y'all are summoning me like.
01:19:31
No, I'm talking about the the movie theater.
01:19:33
Like, whoa, I have. I am giving me an appetizer, A
01:19:39
entree and a dessert. Yeah.
01:19:43
All in one evening. Yeah.
01:19:46
Sweet beer, baby. Yummy.
01:19:50
But why didn't he get them in the cemetery?
01:19:53
They wasn't ready. Yeah, 'cause the two boys just
01:19:59
figured out they were some freaking ghosts.
01:20:01
So they were. Like, oh, this, this is real,
01:20:04
this. Is real so OK I I'm scared.
01:20:06
Now, Yeah, and obviously, I mean they were scared, but not too
01:20:12
scared. They were still sitting there
01:20:14
trying to take them pictures. Yeah, 'cause if you.
01:20:17
Really scared you. You ain't worried about no
01:20:19
camera. Like forget a picture, forget
01:20:21
the camera, forget those girls, forget those girls.
01:20:24
We going home. Yeah.
01:20:27
That part, yeah, like you all my friends, but we just met though,
01:20:31
right? I was going to say we didn't
01:20:33
even technically friends at this point, like, oh, OK, we we've
01:20:37
known each other for maybe a couple of days at this point so
01:20:42
yeah, but well, I guess we have to see.
01:20:46
But I mean, he got Marge good. So yeah, he did.
01:20:51
He did. Well, poor Lily.
01:20:52
Because that is not what she needed right now.
01:20:56
Like you, you literally went from being so happy and now
01:20:59
you're just like, Oh my God, everybody thinks I tried to kill
01:21:02
my friend. No, I'm like yes baby, yes, yes
01:21:08
and your. Friends can't do nothing to help
01:21:10
you out. Has everyone no witnesses?
01:21:13
Right. Well, not only that, you you
01:21:16
tell the principal and everybody else, Oh no, she's being haunted
01:21:20
by a evil spirit or something. They're going to be in the rooms
01:21:23
at Juniper Hill right next to her, and that's not going to
01:21:30
help nobody. They don't have a luxury suite.
01:21:33
Right. They can't they can't help
01:21:36
Ronnie's dad. It's stay out of Shawshank that
01:21:39
way. They can't help Lily get out of
01:21:42
Juniper Hill that way. And then they'll make themselves
01:21:46
a sitting target 'cause they are going to be scared.
01:21:48
At that point. You go to the you go to the
01:21:50
loony band where they do lobotomies, and they do.
01:21:54
Like. Shock.
01:21:55
Treatment, yeah, no. Which is insane.
01:22:00
Right. But I tell you.
01:22:07
Speaking of insane, Mr. Dick Kelleran is trying to Burrow his
01:22:13
wig inside somebody's head. Listen.
01:22:16
Oh my God, He in there. He did.
01:22:20
Oh, man. But brother man, you think that
01:22:23
was him at the end? Yeah.
01:22:28
I think it was, but that was some creepy.
01:22:30
That was creepy. I I don't.
01:22:32
I think that it's a piggyback. Oh, you think that Pennywise is
01:22:38
was listening to the now? What you do now?
01:22:41
Where? Where are the stones?
01:22:42
You see that? Where where the stones at?
01:22:47
You know what? And now that.
01:22:48
'Cause I need the stones to be removed, right?
01:22:51
I can move forth in the world. Yeah.
01:22:54
And me and him in the same headspace the.
01:22:58
Attorney was the smile. Yeah.
01:23:00
So where the stones are again? That smile was weird.
01:23:04
It was right because Dick don't smile like that all the time.
01:23:08
You see him smile like that when they drinking in their little
01:23:10
club. But again let's talk about these
01:23:13
visions because they're not saying the last episode.
01:23:16
Y'all need to stop with the damn running man.
01:23:19
How many? Like how many different run
01:23:21
running creatures did we see? In this video.
01:23:27
You you had zombies, you had the fake priest that that grew 3
01:23:33
sizes and I I can't do with the creepy runs.
01:23:39
OK, so let's let's talk about the dragon glass.
01:23:44
Oh my God, that is exactly what it is.
01:23:47
I'm sitting in dragon glass. I'm why do we go into the thing
01:23:54
and we take out a little bit? Y'all should take it out as much
01:23:59
as you can. We were moving fast, now we were
01:24:02
moving fast. We didn't have time.
01:24:04
The first time we talking about when the first ancestors came
01:24:08
and they took the one shot. But you know what?
01:24:11
Probably because back then that one shot was enough to keep him
01:24:17
contained. Because again, he wasn't strong.
01:24:20
He didn't get strong until the white man came in and he he was
01:24:24
able. To.
01:24:25
Follow them. He had a.
01:24:28
Food in a buffet so. Yeah, but I'm I'm like you and
01:24:33
now I would have been like, why didn't we just do this from the
01:24:37
beginning? Just get a whole bunch of
01:24:39
shards, maybe not do the whole thing that they did because
01:24:42
because the way that they temporarily fixed the problem,
01:24:47
it was a good thing. Like they closed off the whole
01:24:49
woods with the shards and they were like, OK, this is how we're
01:24:52
going to keep them contained. But my thing was I was tripping
01:24:57
because when he got to the part of the story, he was like, they
01:25:02
went back and got some of the sharks, not to kill the monster
01:25:06
the the the galoo, but to trap it.
01:25:09
Why the hell are we not killing it?
01:25:11
Why? Why?
01:25:13
But then I, I started thinking I was like, OK, it could be a
01:25:17
spiritual thing. And, you know, they could be
01:25:19
like, OK, you know what? We're not going to take his life
01:25:22
if we have a way to contain it without it harm, without us
01:25:25
harming it, You know, just like the, I mean, the words were very
01:25:29
important. He was like, they lived in
01:25:31
harmony with the beast. So I, I think that probably was
01:25:37
the kicker. They were like, OK, if we can
01:25:39
contain it without actually destroying it or without killing
01:25:43
it, without tainting our souls by killing it, then we can do
01:25:48
that. But you know, once he got the
01:25:50
chief old girl was like, oh, you killed my Mama.
01:25:53
I'm done. We got to do something.
01:25:57
I mean, I think she would have killed it if if it didn't run
01:26:00
away. And then they were like,
01:26:01
everybody was like, OK, we just don't contain them.
01:26:03
We're going to keep them here. But obviously that's not working
01:26:08
much because we see he's been coming out bit by bit.
01:26:13
He's stronger so those sharks can't still be in in in place.
01:26:20
Or is it because the military is digging around?
01:26:23
Well, they said that they were buried.
01:26:25
They, she said. They buried them really, really
01:26:27
deep. Put them in different things.
01:26:30
So yeah. So I'm thinking they're they
01:26:33
haven't been disturbed yet, 'cause think about it, even to
01:26:38
in this timeline or in this universe to present day, it's
01:26:42
still there. Yeah.
01:26:44
Like he has not left there. Did did they did?
01:26:48
I can't remember if they showed. Is that force still the same?
01:26:53
The same now as big. 'Cause I think that's the city.
01:26:56
I think that's where the city. That's where they actually,
01:26:58
that's what I was thinking. That was what that's what I was
01:26:59
about to say, 'cause I feel like 'cause they, I know, like they
01:27:02
were saying like it's it's dairy, but it's also surrounding
01:27:06
areas near dairy. It's not just dairy, but it's
01:27:09
surrounding like that whole surrounding area near dairy.
01:27:12
So I was just wondering like, so he clearly got past a certain
01:27:15
barrier. Yeah.
01:27:17
Or his whatever overtime got past a certain barrier.
01:27:20
So maybe the more they dug up and the more they start doing
01:27:23
stuff, the more he was able to spread a little further out.
01:27:26
Yeah, maybe. Maybe 'cause that's I'm.
01:27:30
Thinking they could, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, 'cause I
01:27:33
think they said so this is the I don't rewatch stuff.
01:27:39
So I feel like they said they they got with other tribes to do
01:27:43
it as well. So I think the barriers further
01:27:47
out than just the city of Derry. But then.
01:27:51
That makes sense. But then she mentions something
01:27:55
about the fact that they don't have as much homeland as they
01:28:00
used to, so maybe with them, I don't know.
01:28:06
Well, that would have been because of like the government,
01:28:09
like taking their land and put squishing them down and pushing
01:28:12
them on the Reds and all that stuff.
01:28:14
I don't know. And they wouldn't have control
01:28:19
over those areas either to kind of keep keep the stuff from
01:28:23
being messed up. Yeah, but see, that's why I was
01:28:26
wondering like maybe one of maybe one of the sharks has has
01:28:28
been disturbed because I mean, you see the military is digging
01:28:31
around, they looking for stuff. And even though Rose and her
01:28:36
people are keeping track of what they're doing because what was
01:28:39
it the guy said? He said we went to all the
01:28:43
places that she said to go and there was nothing there.
01:28:46
So she's obviously keeping them from whatever it is they're
01:28:50
looking for, but. I don't know the reason why I
01:28:55
don't think any of the sharks have been disturbed or the
01:28:58
pillars is because it is still there.
01:29:02
Like why would it stay there if it has a smorgasbord of a whole
01:29:08
country it can just go around. And devour.
01:29:11
And devour well. I mean, but think about it, if
01:29:14
if you have this one town where you can come out every, what is
01:29:21
it every 30, three years or. 2727 but they changed it for
01:29:25
like the other movies. I don't know if they changed it
01:29:27
in the recent movies. OK, but if you can come out
01:29:30
every 2 1/2 decades, take your field 'cause it's not like he
01:29:36
gonna have to eat everything. I mean, even even predators have
01:29:41
their limit with what they what they can eat.
01:29:45
Maybe he's like, you know what? I don't need to go anywhere
01:29:48
else. I can just go here.
01:29:51
I can I can do what I need to do.
01:29:53
Children disappear. I have my feel they gonna forget
01:29:56
in a few years anyway. And I can start the cycle right
01:29:59
back. I mean, no, I'm I'm going by
01:30:03
what you said, Michelle, you said he is he has gotten up
01:30:06
there age. He's getting lazy.
01:30:08
But this is not up in age right here.
01:30:11
Hey, I mean, if you have the opportunity, you OK?
01:30:15
So it's like, OK, Georgia seafood, OK.
01:30:21
You know, I'm gonna eat the seafood.
01:30:23
I love seafood. It's OK.
01:30:26
But if if I have the opportunity and the gates open up to go to
01:30:31
any really in coast, Savannah would be one of them.
01:30:33
But just to get out of the city to go to the coast to get some
01:30:37
fresh. Yeah, or across the state to get
01:30:43
some fresh 'cause this dairy stuff starts to taste old.
01:30:51
Like eating fried chicken every day for a week.
01:30:54
Right. And you can go out there and get
01:30:55
some new taste and fear from people.
01:30:58
So yeah, he can't. He can't go nowhere, which is a
01:31:01
good thing, yeah. But yeah, so so we get we get
01:31:09
that whole story. And then at the end when Dick
01:31:12
Halloran or maybe Penny Wise is asking Tanya, so where are these
01:31:16
shards now? He's like, yeah, you go through
01:31:18
there, find the wells and be on your way.
01:31:21
And it's the creepy house. I was like.
01:31:24
No, absolutely not. Absolutely not.
01:31:29
That is not happening. There is nothing about that
01:31:32
house that would make me want to say, yeah, I'm going to go in
01:31:37
there and and look for these. No, you know what, we going to
01:31:40
leave that thing right where it is.
01:31:43
As soon as the general say Halloran, you going to go in?
01:31:45
No, I am not. You can go in for yourself, say.
01:31:49
Helen in. He ain't got No Fear.
01:31:51
I'll tell him where to go. See Leroy, I get I get in his
01:31:56
mind and tell him where to go. Hey, Leroy, can I get in your
01:31:59
mind for that? I'll tell you where to go.
01:32:01
Yeah, No Fear. You ain't got No Fear, you go do
01:32:03
it 'cause I'm not going in there no that house by itself looking.
01:32:07
Nope. I didn't like it when I saw it
01:32:09
in the movie The first time. I was like Nope, Nope.
01:32:13
And then we see what happens in the house.
01:32:15
Nope, Nope, that's a bone. I don't need that kind of
01:32:21
monster. I don't need that kind of
01:32:23
running. Like I said, I saw enough of
01:32:24
that running in this episode when they crouching down on off.
01:32:28
I thought about you, yeah. I'm sure several times during
01:32:31
this episode I'm sure y'all heard me across across the
01:32:37
miles. Nope Nope Nope.
01:32:41
I was like you know what? They really trying to make me
01:32:43
cut this TV off right now. Especially when that joker grew
01:32:48
and then bro no no. Anyway, did we touch on
01:33:01
everything? Let's see, yeah, you just
01:33:06
noticed that before they put in the turtle shell.
01:33:09
I noticed that, yeah. Yeah, it was just that just that
01:33:15
situation was just messed up though, that they made him go
01:33:18
mess that boy up in that boy's head to get that information.
01:33:22
But you know what I got to say this once he spit at Halloween
01:33:25
space, I was like, you know what you do what you need to do.
01:33:27
I cannot stand. I can't spit, spit on other
01:33:31
people. That is like the worst.
01:33:33
Most, yes, that is. Sometimes that's a nightmare.
01:33:37
Sometimes I feel like the writers know, OK, well, if he's
01:33:41
going to do this, if he's going to Jacob Taniel's head, we got
01:33:45
to give Halloween sort of like. A good reason.
01:33:48
To do it, a good reason to do it, yeah.
01:33:51
Yeah, and, and one thing I think that's worse than having like,
01:33:57
if it was a white character who did that, I'd be pissed off.
01:34:00
But I'd be like, you know what? I I'm expecting that because
01:34:03
that's what you expect to have another oppressed and
01:34:06
marginalized person do it to another.
01:34:09
Now you know what? That's some disrespectful shit
01:34:12
I'm gonna need. Yeah.
01:34:14
I'm gonna get all up in your brain.
01:34:17
No. I was just like, come on, why
01:34:22
did they all? Why is that the first thing
01:34:24
people want to write? Because they know that, because
01:34:27
they know how disrespectful it is.
01:34:31
Every time I see that anything, I just want to punch people.
01:34:34
Yeah. And and that's that's the
01:34:36
reaction they want you to have. Yeah, someone I was listening to
01:34:40
someone earlier, it was actually Cam Newton since he was talking
01:34:43
about a football player, spit on another football player in this
01:34:47
this past weekend. And he said, you know, we play
01:34:50
this game and we talk and we throw hands, that's all good.
01:34:54
But anytime something leave your body, that's not good.
01:34:58
That is disgusting. That is not good.
01:35:01
Disrespect. That's like disrespect on a high
01:35:04
level. The.
01:35:04
Highest. Level I can get over somebody
01:35:08
like slapping me or punch me in the face you spit on me I'm
01:35:11
going for blood it's. Going down, you know, that
01:35:14
reminds me of that actor from Walking Dead.
01:35:17
He was one of the saviors. He was in that Will Smith movie
01:35:20
Emancipation and he spit in his face and it was not scripted.
01:35:24
It was a whole bunch of drama behind that you I had I had to
01:35:30
show him to you, but I forget his name, but he was one of the
01:35:32
saviors. He's one of the the the boss
01:35:34
saviors. Group salt, Pepper, Simon,
01:35:39
probably tall mustache, mall head.
01:35:43
Yeah, yeah. Stephen Ogg.
01:35:45
Yeah. So that is people, People know.
01:35:48
People know when they're doing that.
01:35:50
They're trying to get shot. They know what they're doing,
01:35:55
yeah. But you know, I was trying.
01:35:58
I was, I was almost feeling sorry for Taniel.
01:36:01
And then he did that and I was like, OK, Dick, do what?
01:36:03
Do what you do. Do what you do.
01:36:06
But yeah, that that story was very interesting because I think
01:36:11
that's the first time that I can think of that we've heard that
01:36:15
detailed of an origin story for Pennywise.
01:36:19
Yeah. So that was interesting.
01:36:23
But yeah, now we got to see where where this story is going
01:36:28
because again, I'm not going in that house.
01:36:32
Y'all. Y'all can do y'all can do
01:36:34
whatever. Well, we know the Losers Club
01:36:37
do, and we saw how that turned out, Yeah.
01:36:43
But you know, Nah, I got nothing 'cause I was going to say that's
01:36:49
all the losers club. I think the losers Club
01:36:53
probably, I think they fared better because I think the bond
01:37:01
between them was stronger and they have more trust in each
01:37:05
other. Like with these kids right now,
01:37:08
Ronnie and Lily and Will and and stand there.
01:37:14
I mean, why am I forgetting Rich Rich?
01:37:18
Yeah, they're like, they're they're bonded, but they're
01:37:23
still newly bonded. Like they don't have the I, I
01:37:27
don't know, I just don't feel like that's strong enough with
01:37:30
them yet. So, but again, we have 4
01:37:34
episodes left, so we don't know what other trials they're gonna
01:37:38
go through. The fact that they've even made
01:37:40
it through three episodes when the other kids didn't even make
01:37:45
it through the first one, I'm like, OK, I feel a little bit of
01:37:50
optimism, but I'm also trying not to because I, I'm expecting
01:37:55
that any of them are going to die any minute, but.
01:37:58
We know, we know Will is Mark safe and everything.
01:38:00
We know Will. Is we know will Is mark safe
01:38:03
the. Rest of them I don't know.
01:38:05
I feel Lily is. You feel like Lily's safe.
01:38:10
What about? But not Ronnie.
01:38:12
Not well I. Kind of think something in the
01:38:16
book. Yeah, Ronnie's not safe.
01:38:17
Yeah, OK, There's something about Ronnie.
01:38:20
Beth, Beth, I love it came. From but something.
01:38:24
Beth sees money in one of her visions.
01:38:29
Oh, really? OK, so but we don't know when,
01:38:33
you know, in the 20s or 30s, we don't really know.
01:38:36
OK, so, yeah, four more episodes.
01:38:43
I don't. At this point, I I don't know
01:38:47
what to expect. I I I I do know that Lily is
01:38:51
about to end up in Julie, per Hill.
01:38:53
That's about the only thing I know for sure at this moment.
01:38:57
I don't know what's going on with anybody else.
01:39:00
Michelle, I think you might be right about Dick.
01:39:03
About Pennywise. Piggy piggybacking in Tanya's
01:39:07
head with Dick. Yeah, because that, that smile
01:39:13
was very creepy. But other than that, I, I don't
01:39:19
know what to expect at this point.
01:39:22
They could all survive at this point.
01:39:24
They could all die. I, I don't know, except for the
01:39:30
people that we know, you know, exist later on.
01:39:32
But I don't know. I, I'm just, I'm worried about
01:39:37
Lily. Lily is the one.
01:39:38
She has become my favorite, probably because I feel like she
01:39:43
needs the most protecting, you know?
01:39:50
Yeah. I think also because we know
01:39:52
Will is going to live at least until adulthood, we're kind of
01:39:55
like. And, and, and I'm gonna be
01:39:58
honest, Ronnie doesn't seem like she needs that much protection.
01:40:03
Like she has that, she has that strength about her.
01:40:06
Like she's, she kind of reminds me of of Charlotte in a way
01:40:10
because she she is not afraid to use her voice.
01:40:14
She's not afraid to tell people what she thinks or to say that
01:40:18
you're wrong. So yeah, at at this point, it's
01:40:22
just Lily for me because I feel like she just, she needs to be
01:40:25
in a glass bubble where nothing can touch her until this, as the
01:40:31
general said, until this cycle ends.
01:40:33
And then when she gets grown, she can get the hell out of
01:40:36
dairy and maybe never come back. Definitely not.
01:40:42
So I know you guys have any final thoughts about this
01:40:46
episode? Well, I love a good historical
01:40:52
like storyline. Yeah.
01:40:55
I think it's really cool. I like that we saw the house at
01:41:01
the end. Yeah, it's like the origin
01:41:05
story. That was pretty cool.
01:41:06
Yeah, I always like that. Yeah, yeah.
01:41:09
Yeah, especially since, again, that's the most that we've known
01:41:12
about this particular character. So yeah.
01:41:18
But yeah, I like the origin story, too.
01:41:23
I think that was probably one of my favorite parts of the
01:41:25
episode. Did not like all the running
01:41:28
creatures that I can do without. And Marge's eyes were quite
01:41:34
gross. I'm glad I had just finished
01:41:36
eating when that happened because I thought I was like,
01:41:40
OK, too bad this episode, you know, Will got pulled in the
01:41:44
water and and we got to see Major handling in his little
01:41:49
burnt state. But if that's what he looked
01:41:51
like after his plane crash, he looks good now because you can't
01:41:56
tell he has any. Like you would think him being
01:41:59
burnt like that he would have had some skin grafts or he would
01:42:03
have some. He had some scars on his.
01:42:06
Very faint scars, but not like I would think from the way that
01:42:11
they show what happened with his character.
01:42:14
But yeah, I'm, I, I just want, I want to know how he's going to
01:42:21
affect this story. This there's No Fear thing.
01:42:24
I think that's the thing I'm most interested in, even beyond
01:42:30
what the kids do or how they defeat, if you can call it
01:42:33
defeating Penny wise disco round.
01:42:35
I really want to see how how handling plays into.
01:42:38
It right so yeah, which is either defeat or he just went to
01:42:42
sleep yeah like who? Really.
01:42:46
Boy, we clearly know who's safe too, Penny wise.
01:42:54
Well, obviously, yeah. Yeah, OK.
01:43:01
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01:43:05
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