#IT #welcometoderry #stephenking A flashback memory gives insight to the General's limited knowledge of The Entity. Lilly comes up with a plan to prove the monster is real. Ronnie recruits Will to help with a specific task. Rich makes an unusual and dangerous suggestion to help Lilly and Ronnie get the proof they need. Halloran has a disturbing vision while searching for the weapon with Hanlon and Russo. Hanlon and Halloran come to an understanding.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Anthony, Michelle and Dina and we are discussing episode 3
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of it. Welcome to Dairy Listen.
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I just want to start out with no.
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Absolutely. Not you know what that's.
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A. Which part?
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Which part? Like which part?
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When I was 13, a friend and a friend and I actually got lost
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in the woods. So no, this this is a no.
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That's. Not.
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So like I was telling Dana before we started recording,
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anytime I see that fast run, it's a no for me when something
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starts running fast the way that that thing started running fast
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in the in the forest, in the woods, no.
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And then he starts change. Nope.
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Nope. But also, I ain't going in the
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woods, so we good. But I'm also not going to grave
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sites at night either. You.
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Know not as. A kid or perform or perform
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rituals whether I. Know or not right, that part.
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Yeah, listen, there's just OK, first of all, so.
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The whole episode was a no. No, no, no, no, no.
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But OK, so let's take this from the top because the episode
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starts out in 19 O 8 and we see a little kid at a carnival.
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First of all, that's already sketchy given what story we're
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talking about. So this little kid is going
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through looking at all the carnival things.
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He's listening to the the the carnival Barker talking about
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the IT was like the, the, the, the weird and oddities and stuff
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like that. So when this kid is walking
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around, he happens to look over to the side.
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There is a a a clown, a, a female clown from the looks
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over, but a clown with red balloons.
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And it's like immediately his facial expression changes.
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No, the moment you look at that and you feel like something is
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off in your spirit that tells you you need to go find your
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daddy, you need to get the hell out of dodge.
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But what do you do? No, you go into the what is it?
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The House of Mysteries. Of course 'cause you know.
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That's the way you go. We just got to know things.
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Apparently got. To be curious.
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And you know what, He's a kid. I can get the curiosity.
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I can get one and to look at the strange things, the thing that I
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wasn't understanding, and maybe it's just me as somebody with
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common sense. Maybe it's just me as a black
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child, you know, a black person who, you know, there are certain
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things that when you look, black kids and white kids just do
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differently. You see something off in the
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distance in one of the other rooms, and you follow it by
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yourself. Yeah.
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Now you know enough to be weary when you walk into the room and
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you see this guy in shadow telling you, come here, come
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closer, come closer. You taking baby steps and you
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looking like, I don't want to do this.
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What? Why the hell are you doing?
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Why are you doing it? Why?
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Why? Why?
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What was like was something actually pulling you because you
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look like you were doing it of your own free will.
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I do, I mean, I wonder about that because, like, he was
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clearly scared. And it's not like he had to
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listen to that old. What was that old, fragile old
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man going to do? You know, tell your daddy that
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you wouldn't come here in a haunted house.
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Right, right, maybe something was influencing him because or
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he just real dumb. I don't know.
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But when he goes up to the guy and the guy, you know he likes a
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match and he shows his face as the old guy.
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He's missing some teeth, he's missing an eyeball.
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But otherwise he seems pretty harmless really.
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Harmless. I'm saying this particular guy,
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because I don't think that was the same guy in the woods.
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I think, no, it wasn't, but he was harmless.
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But this guy was harmless, right?
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Like you literally could just blow on him.
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Oh no, he scared the hell out of me.
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Oh, with no teeth but we don't look like when we get old 'cause
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we will have our dentures. Today we don't have our dentures
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on. We just.
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And then the kids start running. He had a black space where I was
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supposed to be. You know, sometimes we will miss
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eyes, you know? That part didn't even bother me
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because I've seen and I've seen enough TV where you know people
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were missing the eye. They don't really replace it
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with that hasn't bothered me. Plus I've seen The Walking Dead
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with glands. Eyeball was literally dangling
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eye ankles. The the blank space is not
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bothering me. But when the kid runs out of the
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thing because obviously this man has scared him now.
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OK, now you're scared. He runs out, bumps into his dad.
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They leave. Dad gives him a slingshot, which
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is going to be important later on in the story of it because
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that's how the kids defeat it. You know, they they hit them
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with a what was it? They they had melted down some
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change into some silver change into like a Yeah, it was.
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A silver dollar, I think. Made melted change.
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Yeah. So that the slingshot becomes
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important later. And I was reading something
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earlier today and it was talking about the most recent versions
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of it where they didn't even have the slingshot.
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And I was like, you know, I really didn't need to go back
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and rewatch those they had. A They were using a boat gun.
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They're using the boat gun that they used for for livestock.
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Yeah, thank you. I just remember.
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That OK but I'm glad they brought the slingshot back
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because the slingshot is actually important in the
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original it story. Iconic.
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Yeah, it is. It's just because it was the
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time period of the last it it was later.
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I know kids who don't want to be picked on is walking around with
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a slingshot. Yeah, I I think that, but a bolt
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gun makes perfectly sense for children to walk around and play
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with at this. Yeah.
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I I mean it, I I I got. Carrollton Dairy.
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I, I got nothing. I got nothing.
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But you know, when they're on the way home, did this kid and
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his dad, they're the car breaks down and he stops on the side of
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the road. There's a couple of, there's a
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few native children selling water by the side.
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He goes to by the water. He doesn't have enough money.
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And the little girl, you know, basically is like, well, you
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don't have enough money, You can give me that slingshot.
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Or at least that's what she infers by looking at it.
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And then we see and next scene, they actually become friends.
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So they're, you know, running around playing with each other,
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having a good time. This is where I start having
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problems because obviously this little girl knows that something
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ain't right about the woods because as they get real close
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to it and and Francis, the little boy starts running into
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it, she starts telling him, no, Francis, don't go in there.
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Don't go in there. Excuse me, why did you wait
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until you got so close before telling him?
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Oh, no, don't go in there. Yeah.
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As soon as you saw the general direction he was running in,
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y'all should have stopped about 200 feet back and you should
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have been like, no, let me tell you something.
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We don't go into the woods. You didn't have to tell him a
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monster was in the woods. You could have just said, you
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know what? We're not allowed.
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You know, just like when we were kids on my street, our
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apartments, we can go out and play.
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But there was like, you know how you have speed bumps at certain
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intervals in the apartment complex?
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We couldn't go past that first speed bar.
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That was about as far as my mother can see.
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You couldn't go past that speed bar.
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You could have told him that, no, we can't go into the woods.
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We're not allowed whatever. I, I, I'm going to defend her.
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I have a feeling he, he wouldn't have listened to her anyway
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because we already, they already established that he's a go
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forward kind of person when he went into the House of
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mysteries. But this is number 2 #2 in her
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mind, she's not thinking that he doesn't know because she's so
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used to playing with kids who know.
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So by the time she registered with her where he was going,
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she's like, oh wait, you need to stop.
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So he he wasn't. He just had.
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He was so happy. So he was like where you left
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her way behind? Yeah.
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But the the first one that you say, Anthony, I think my thing
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is not necessarily that he wouldn't have listened to her.
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Like I was telling Dana, we were talking about it before, I think
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because she was just like, hey, no, don't go in there, Don't go
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in there. I mean, she's literally chasing
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him. They're playing a game of chase.
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So maybe he it's not that he would have just went in there
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anywhere. I think he thought maybe she was
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just that was part of the game, like, Oh, you can't go in there.
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And then once he stops, she's going to tag him or whatever it
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was they were playing. So you know what?
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We even. She may not have realized.
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She may not have realized where they were until it was too late,
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because she was having a good time too.
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Yeah. And she's a hold up.
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I know who we are. Don't go in there.
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It's too late. Care lot don't go into the light
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'cause. You know what, not not you think
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about now that I think about it, now that we're talking about it,
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yeah. Why would those kids playing so
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close to the woods anyway? Well, they know not to go in
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there. It's kids, it's kids.
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You tell them not to play over there.
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They play by the line to see. I bet a few times they was like
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go over the line and. Come to tea and.
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Come back. Double dare.
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Yeah, double dog. There, Yeah, right.
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So you know because. Old people crazy.
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They don't. Even know they.
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They don't. They just don't want us to go in
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there, right? Right.
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Right. But yeah, So Francis enters the
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woods by himself, and all of a sudden he's scared.
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And I was like, dude, that moment that you walk in and you
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feel like something ain't right, again, this is the moment for
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you to turn around and run. He don't got the fight or
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flight. He, he obviously does not.
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He, he sits there, he sees something off in the distance
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moving and he's still sitting there looking like he's trying
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to figure out, like you could see it was the guy from the
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carnival. And maybe he was just like, is
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that really what I said? Do you know what?
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Paul asked. You can figure that out later.
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That's that's all I'm saying. Or never just.
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Go. The dude starts coming at him
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and he's like disappearing and showing up behind different
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trees. Francis picks up a stick and
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he's like, leave me alone. I was just like.
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Francis is. About to die.
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He was about to. I just, I really thought this
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kid was about to die. I was like, oh, y'all about to
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start another episode off with children dying.
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OK, whatever. So the thing gets in front of
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him, scares him, and they take off running.
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Francis is running like a little kid runs.
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Nothing weird about that. This thing starts picking up
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speed. When they went to all fours.
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She's in trouble, dude. Dude.
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Bally you in trouble? Girl.
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Thank you. I was about to say Bally, you in
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danger I You in danger I. Was like Nope, pause, pause.
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I was like Nope, Nope. I can't I something about
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something about creatures that run like that.
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I can't no, because if there's if there's no chance of me out
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running them, I just, I can't do it.
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That that's the part of horror that I was like, you know what?
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I I can't, I can't deal with this.
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It started with World War Z for me when I saw all those zombies
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running at full speed. Then it part, I think that was
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Part 2 that he did it in the, the Bill Skarsgard Pennywise
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when he was in the basement with the water, the eyes here.
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And then he comes. No, no, I had nightmares for a
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week after that so this was no better.
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And then like you say, he gets on for all fours and he's no the
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fuck. And this is not only that, his
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face starts changing, the teeth start coming.
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He has the piranha teeth. No, these people need to go to
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therapy who dream this stuff up. Yeah.
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No, Yeah. And then on top of all of that,
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The thing is slobbing. He's like drooling.
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He's about to no. Now y'all talking about OK I
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can, I can eat through all these episodes but that's the one
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thing I'd be like OK I'm disgusted.
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She gonna be like this. I'm disgusted right?
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It be the jewel. I won't be like this.
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The jewels start happening. I see.
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I don't really like drool though.
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I I still don't. I'm still gonna eat.
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Y'all just don't understand. I put my food down.
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I didn't eat. But I'm I'm.
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I'm I'm. Mentioning.
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But the but the drool, that is the disgusting thing for me with
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him, 'cause even in the last in the in the movie, which is
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different from the television series, is that extra do with
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the drool 'cause it's like, it's just, it's just to me describing
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like he really is so hungry, like he can't even control it
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and he's ready to chomp down on them.
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That has to do with the the saliva spit like marrying
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sinners that I no what. Well, that's a different type of
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drool, but we're not talking about that drool.
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What I'm saying, baby, no, I don't.
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Oh my God, That was the most disgusting thing.
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So this. Thing like Francis runs up under
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a log, this thing change. And again, the way that this
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thing moves, it's not even just that he's funny run, just that
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he's fun, just that he's running fast.
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It's the like the physicality of the way this thing moves.
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It's creepy as hell. Like if I saw something like
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that running towards me, I'm done.
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I'm done. I'm going to blank out right
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there in the street when when y'all await me, y'all are going
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to have to take me to a mental hospital or something because
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I'm not. My brain will not compute if I
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really. I think it's, I think it's cool.
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You can kind of tell that he hadn't really had it, hasn't
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really had contact with people because they hadn't quite
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figured out how to hunt. It's still real physical and not
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really not really mental like he took.
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He took the form of something the boy was afraid of, but he
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wasn't manipulating him like he manipulates people.
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He was real primal. And he took the form of
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something he was just recently afraid of, not something that's
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been traumatizing him for life because like with the other
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kids, it was they they would always be something that has
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been bothering them forever. Yeah, he could.
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Pull. He could pull from your ass.
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In your. Mind, yeah.
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Yeah. And he was hungry.
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Yeah, and this was. You're right, it is probably
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starving too because because the the the indigenous people are
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keeping everyone out of there. So that is true.
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But luckily for Francis, he has an Indigenous friend.
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Because just as this thing is about to chomp down on him, we
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see it get hit in the face, the other eye actually, with a rock
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from the slingshot. And Rose is like, come on, let's
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go, let's go. So they're running out of the
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forest. He keeps looking back, She said,
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don't look back. Don't.
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Look back. He.
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Said get back. What's dude, first she told you
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not to go into the woods and you went.
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Now she's telling you don't look back.
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You keep looking back at this thing.
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So when it blacked out, I was like, oh, he's dead.
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He did. Luckily he wasn't.
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But then the creepy song comes on and I think we we touched on
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this in the last episode, but we didn't really get to it.
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First of all, I need to know if this was the actual song.
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I didn't get a chance to to look it up 'cause we just got back
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from Conjuration. I've been busy.
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But I need to know if this is the actual song or was this the
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song that that only made for this show because.
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What is it? Something in ribbon?
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What is it? A rib ribbon in my hair by
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Prudence or something, I think. But oh.
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Smile on the ribbon. Patience and prudence.
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That's a real song. Oh, is it from when?
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From 1956 which? Which tracks.
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Their songs are all creepy because they put them in all the
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horror movies. Yeah.
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I don't know what's wrong with these folks.
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Why are they making these creepy songs 'cause if you make a song
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as my sis. Oh, this is perfect for a
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horror. Ma'am.
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That's a problem. It's it's psychological, 'cause
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it's not a scary song, but when you put something that sounds
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sweet and childlike to something this graphic and horrible,
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'cause like, perfect example 1-2 Freddy's coming for you.
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It's a freaking nursery rhyme. Yeah, come on.
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That's like a logical warfare. We need to get those peepers.
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Yeah. Oh, right.
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Yes. Or the other one?
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So the other one for one of his movies is Did you ever see A
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Dream Walking? Well I did and I'm like come on
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man, come on. Like y'all prepping?
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You know, but there's something about even the way that this
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song is sung, it just seems like it's a creepy song.
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Like when I first heard it, even before I saw the graphics that
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accompany it for the the opening sequence.
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Because you have all of these little old timey graphics
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cartoons with the, you know, the kids in the little old fashioned
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underwear and they're like, you know, swimming in the swimming
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hole. And you've got the one kid
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that's about to have his, his brain lobotomized.
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And you've got the little, you know, you've got the eyes in the
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in the shadows and 1:00. And then you've got Pennywise
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hanging on the building in the other.
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I was like, even before you see the graphics, if you just hear
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the song, I'm like, if I were to hear this song playing just out
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in the open, like if I go outside right now or if I go
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somewhere, if I go to a carnival, you know, they do a
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lot of the street carnivals here.
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They do a lot of the parking lot carnivals.
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If I was at a carnival and I heard this song, I'm turning
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around, going home. I don't care how much money I've
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spent. I don't care if I still have
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tickets in my pocket, I'm going home.
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Yep, I remember when I first heard the first few notes I was
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like skip we good, I don't need that nightmare.
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Right, yes, That's when the skip intro button becomes very
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attractive. And I mean, I listened to it the
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first time, but I was just sitting there looking at it
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like, why was this a real song? I don't know.
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It does sound, I mean, because all she's talking about is, you
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know, her pretty dress and her ribbons and her hair.
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But then when you look at the graphics behind, it's like, no.
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But later on in the episode, we find out that this kid, Francis,
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is actually the general, the Air Force general that, you know,
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basically is the one that is looking for it.
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Which now I guess makes a lot more sense because we talked
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about in the last episode, like, if you don't know what you're
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looking for, you need to maybe leave things alone.
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But obviously, he knows that there's a monster around
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somewhere. Yeah.
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And he's using handling, Major Handling and Dick Halloran to
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locate this thing. Now here's the other crazy part
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of this episode, because as we learned in the last episode,
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Halloran has he has brain damage from an old war, you know,
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injury and Hamlin right what I say, Halloran.
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Yeah, I know it is weird 'cause they're both Hamlin and Halloran
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and both, right? Yeah, I know it gets
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complicated. So basically, Hamlin feels feels
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No Fear. So they're about to assign him
00:21:55
to take Dick wherever Dick feels like he needs to go.
00:22:01
And they say, basically, Dick, Dick Halloran is your compass.
00:22:04
You're going to fly him wherever he says to fly you.
00:22:07
Now, this is the thing that was bothering me about this.
00:22:11
Carolyn knows that they are looking for a weapon.
00:22:16
He knows that it is a weapon that is rooted in fear or that
00:22:20
uses fear against people. And that's why they want him to
00:22:23
be the one to go help them get it.
00:22:26
OK, that's fine. You have No Fear.
00:22:28
Chances are it Pennywise is not going to affect you, right?
00:22:32
Because that's what Pennywise feeds on.
00:22:35
Fear tolerant. He's he's the one with the
00:22:39
Shining. He has the psychic ability, so
00:22:41
he can probably see the bad stuff that's going to happen
00:22:45
before it happens. OK fine, y'all got Riley.
00:22:49
Oh ignorant self just had to go lucky.
00:22:52
I'm just, I'm here for the ride. Whatever.
00:22:55
Have y'all even told this man how dangerous this is that y'all
00:22:58
got him flying shotgun on? No, but you know.
00:23:02
Or tell him he. Cried or die, he going to go
00:23:04
wherever handling go. And die being the operative
00:23:07
word, because this tells me that like in this equation, in this
00:23:11
trio, he's the one that's going to end up dying.
00:23:14
He didn't in this episode, but he probably will later on
00:23:17
because he's the only one that's uninformed.
00:23:20
Well, yeah, but he he will go. He will go into a situation
00:23:23
swinging and then he'll ask him, OK, what was up with that?
00:23:26
You know what I'm saying? Like.
00:23:28
Napoleon Complex. That's why he tiny.
00:23:32
He a tiny man and he think he bad.
00:23:35
Yeah, he just type the little you know the the meme like the
00:23:39
meme where you call your friend and hey, I need you to do
00:23:42
something with me. We're going to go somewhere,
00:23:43
we're going to do something. What call we taking?
00:23:46
That's the kind of. Yeah, you can never ask me.
00:23:48
You can never ask me about it. Yeah, yeah, the Ben Affleck and
00:23:51
Jeremy Renner one. Yeah, I, I guess so, but I just,
00:23:56
I was feeling some kind of way about that.
00:23:58
I was like, this man is is going off on this mission.
00:24:01
They have no, he has no idea what to expect, like handling.
00:24:07
He he just knows something weird is about to happen.
00:24:09
OK, Because you took him to you took him to the big site.
00:24:13
They dug up the they dug up a car with bodies.
00:24:16
And it is the car that we talked about from the original it
00:24:20
story, the gangsters that the townspeople shot up.
00:24:23
It is that car, but I, I was feeling some kind of way.
00:24:30
And then they get up in the airplane and the general had
00:24:34
actually given Halloran a box, you know, and it was I, I didn't
00:24:40
know what was in. I was like, OK, there's
00:24:42
something having to do with whatever he, whatever happened
00:24:46
when he was a kid, because at that point I figured out that he
00:24:49
was the kid without them saying that he was the kid at at that
00:24:53
point, 'cause we don't find that out for sure until later on.
00:24:56
But when they get up in the air and Halloran has the box, you
00:25:01
already see he's reacting to it. Like his hands are shaking and
00:25:05
he hasn't even opened the box yet.
00:25:08
Leroy and Riley. This, his name is Riley, isn't
00:25:12
it? No.
00:25:13
Polly. Polly.
00:25:14
Polly. Polly.
00:25:16
So Leroy and Polly, they, they're talking to each other,
00:25:20
trying to figure out what's going on.
00:25:21
They were like, this is weird. Like we don't have a heading.
00:25:25
We're supposed to treat him like a compass.
00:25:26
This is weird. And so they keep looking back at
00:25:30
Halloran, and they're looking at his behavior.
00:25:32
So when Halloran finally opens up the box and sees the
00:25:36
slingshot, he touches the slingshot and he goes into like
00:25:40
this trance state. At least that's the way it looks
00:25:43
to Leroy and to Polly. But he is actually I, I don't
00:25:49
know if he's having a vision, if he's entering the mind up.
00:25:53
Like it's one of those things where it's like, OK, obviously
00:25:56
something is happening. And then he, as Michelle said
00:26:00
earlier, he goes into Pennywise's house.
00:26:03
He enters the sewers. He sees the old circus car with
00:26:07
Pennywise's name on it, and then the door to it opens and you
00:26:14
hear this voice saying who are you?
00:26:17
Why? OK, so, so before we continue, I
00:26:20
have a few things to say. 1, I kind of I kind of figured it was
00:26:26
the slingshot in the box. 2 the slingshot actually kind of looks
00:26:31
like a divining rod. So that was give you a clue that
00:26:36
he kind of was going to give them a the direction.
00:26:40
And and three, I'm kind of mad at Leroy because Leroy kind of
00:26:44
knows he's sort of special. They think he's special.
00:26:48
And if they tell you just go where he tells you to go, you
00:26:52
don't have any fear. So what are you concerned about?
00:26:54
But I don't think he, I don't think he really knew it at this
00:26:58
point. Yeah, I think he may have had
00:27:00
some suspicions. He has some suspicions.
00:27:02
But he yeah, they hadn't really had much interaction up to.
00:27:06
Him right, But he's smart enough to know if if this is what you
00:27:09
already suspect and they tell you just go wherever he tells
00:27:15
you go he's like your compass then you should be able to put
00:27:18
three and two together and get 5 you know what I'm.
00:27:22
Saying he definitely knew that whatever it was was was
00:27:26
something like you said that he didn't, He didn't have the fear
00:27:29
for it to affect him. So whatever it was going to be
00:27:32
dangerous enough for him to. But he want to be on a mission
00:27:36
because he's AG man, he wants to go.
00:27:38
And. You know, he wants to be a part
00:27:40
of this. This is his career.
00:27:41
This is his livelihood. Yeah, I.
00:27:43
Don't think even if he was scared he would still go.
00:27:46
He was following no orders. Not no, because then he was
00:27:49
like, OK, well we going back because he's a.
00:27:51
Responsible because but then you know what they should have told
00:27:56
him that he does that Dick does that when he in the trance
00:28:00
because he. No, they said.
00:28:04
The following. But when you're in the is he
00:28:12
sick? Yeah, yeah, like he, is he sick
00:28:15
or it? Like is he having a seizure?
00:28:17
I don't know. OK, And the final thing I'm
00:28:20
going to say is this must not really know a lot of this stuff
00:28:23
because it it looks like he should have been able to tell
00:28:27
where he was, you know, 'cause it looks like the cistern, it
00:28:32
looks like the sewers. But I don't think he later, I
00:28:35
don't think he actually says it was a sewers.
00:28:37
He doesn't actually report where he is because he basically knows
00:28:41
where The thing is now. Yeah, but you don't know where.
00:28:44
But that is true. I thought the same thing, like
00:28:46
why don't you tell them that he was in the sewers?
00:28:50
But I think with everything that was going on, he wasn't paying,
00:28:54
he wasn't paying attention. Once he got found out and can
00:28:58
feel the energy from Pennywise, he was done.
00:29:03
He didn't probably remember he was stepping in water.
00:29:06
And I'm not going to lie, he just.
00:29:07
Know the fear, he knows the what he felt.
00:29:10
Until and you know. They kind of forget sometimes
00:29:13
some of the details. Yeah, until, until it, I didn't
00:29:19
even know what his cistern was. I had never heard that word
00:29:23
before. But in Destiny there's a
00:29:26
section, there's a map where there's a cistern and it's
00:29:29
actually like this, but it's outside.
00:29:32
But I never put it too into the. I would have never figured
00:29:34
that's what they called it. Yeah, so.
00:29:39
So I can see how he may not have been really knowing where he
00:29:42
was, but it does kind of like a sewer though.
00:29:45
But also too, if he's thinking like, I don't know, because once
00:29:52
he gets down there and like like you said, it speaks to him, we
00:29:57
already see he's panicking. Then he starts seeing the
00:30:01
visions that we've seen in in the previous two movies, with
00:30:04
all of the things kind of going towards the top and you see the
00:30:08
bodies floating. And then all of a sudden he
00:30:12
hears his grandmother's voice. And she was like, Vicky, he's
00:30:16
coming for you, get out of here. And he tries to leave.
00:30:21
I think at that point he probably knew where he was, but
00:30:27
I think the fear may have overtaken him because at this
00:30:30
point on the plane, he's trying to walk off the plane.
00:30:34
He is literally opening up the back of the plane.
00:30:37
He's trying to step off. Pennywise, I think at that
00:30:40
moment scared him so much that he was like, I don't want to
00:30:43
deal with this, I'm about to jump off this plane.
00:30:45
But he wasn't aware that he was doing that.
00:30:47
I think Pennywise was making him do that.
00:30:50
I think, I think part of that. I think that he was in the
00:30:52
trance and he was trying to get out the sewer.
00:30:56
He wasn't paying attention. See, that's why you don't have
00:30:58
people go through the trance in a moving vehicle because
00:31:06
sometimes they get they get up and start walking and moving
00:31:09
around. That's exactly what he did.
00:31:11
But he was about to walk right on off that plane.
00:31:13
And again, that goes back to the general, 'cause he's in told
00:31:16
your pilots what right that can happen 'cause he was in there
00:31:21
his his his grandma saying go and he went to go.
00:31:24
He's trying to do this. And as he doing that, he
00:31:26
pressing the button. But then.
00:31:28
Also, the other thing about it too, is what he tells the
00:31:32
general later on when he's in the hospital.
00:31:34
He told the general, he said he saw.
00:31:37
He knows where. He knows that, you know, we're
00:31:41
here. He wasn't supposed to see us.
00:31:44
I think that's the thing that really, really scared him,
00:31:47
because as far as Dick is, as far as he knows, he's supposed
00:31:51
to just go in, observe and be able to give them the
00:31:54
information. But Penny Wise knows that
00:31:57
they're looking for him now. And I'll tell him what's about
00:32:00
to happen. And I feel like Penny Wise was
00:32:06
was in his head and not the other way around.
00:32:09
Yeah, I I think once, once he had that.
00:32:12
Connection, when he was starting, when he started
00:32:14
looking penny wise was like, let me see what this is.
00:32:17
Yeah. And was was in his head.
00:32:21
Yeah, I think they both was both together.
00:32:24
But you think you sneaking in something and you woke him up
00:32:26
too, 'cause he was like, yeah, somebody in my house, someone in
00:32:32
my house, There's a stranger in my house.
00:32:38
Yeah. 'Cause he asked them who?
00:32:40
Who? Are you like how you could do
00:32:43
this? 'Cause it was a different level
00:32:46
of, of interaction. It wasn't a physical human
00:32:49
interaction. So Pennywise, it's like, oh God,
00:32:52
you got a little psychic something too.
00:32:54
Yeah, and then he start peering in his brain like they.
00:32:57
Have a little. Fun with you?
00:32:59
You looking for me? Yeah, OK, but I found.
00:33:04
You and and it's cool that that you know his grandmother, this
00:33:10
grandmother. In The Shining, he talks about
00:33:14
how his grandmother and him used to have conversations without
00:33:17
opening their mouths. And in The Shining spoiler,
00:33:22
Danny's Invisible Danny's imaginary friend is actually
00:33:27
himself from the future. Yeah, from doctor sleep, right?
00:33:31
Like from. Right.
00:33:33
And so I'm thinking that this is his grandmother actually from
00:33:37
the past talking to him, trying to guide him and help him.
00:33:41
OK. OK, 'cause I was thinking like,
00:33:43
you know how I know this is a weird correlation, but in in
00:33:47
Inception, when they had totems that brought them back to the
00:33:51
real life, like I feel like his grandma, the totem that was in
00:33:54
his mind whenever he went too far to bring him back in, that's
00:33:59
what I was thinking. OK, yeah.
00:34:02
But it makes sense that if she's that her, her whisper, her echo
00:34:06
is still there. She's keeping him, you know?
00:34:10
Together. Safe.
00:34:12
I don't need nail peace and none of this Where you see me, I see
00:34:17
you. No, I don't see you.
00:34:18
You don't see me. We don't see each other.
00:34:20
Right, 'cause that you can't get that actual head.
00:34:22
Nope. You can't no like that.
00:34:24
You get in the dark, the eyes just.
00:34:26
Yeah, Blowing. OK, I'm good.
00:34:28
You throw. The dead lights.
00:34:31
And now you never know when he's like, if he had that connection
00:34:34
with you now, that means that unless you die, that connection
00:34:41
is not going to be severed. So not anytime Pennywise want to
00:34:44
see what's going on, he'd be like, hey, what's up?
00:34:47
No. Luckily for him, he has no
00:34:49
interest in adults. But you can still.
00:34:53
Use him and come to him. After you know and it too he did
00:34:58
use an adult and him slap up in public.
00:35:04
And he also got into. They got into.
00:35:07
Cause the couple and the guy that got beat up, they were
00:35:09
getting beat up and they threw him over into the river and all
00:35:15
that fear. Pennywise was like, oh, until I
00:35:20
get to some children. This is a.
00:35:21
This is a this. Is a good appetizer.
00:35:24
Right. So I mean he ate the whole side
00:35:26
of his body while his husband watched on the side and then
00:35:31
threw red balloons everywhere. Yeah, damn red balloons, Yeah.
00:35:38
But yeah, I like, like I said, this dude was about to walk off
00:35:45
the plane or about to fly out the plane 'cause they were still
00:35:48
in the air, Holly sitting up front, panicking right away,
00:35:54
just. Go back there like faster.
00:35:57
Like that's the part I didn't understand.
00:35:58
Y'all saw this dude walking around in a trance.
00:36:01
Y'all should've went back there the way before.
00:36:03
Yeah. But there's a moment it has to.
00:36:06
Register time elapsed. Well, it also has to register
00:36:09
with you. There's a moment where you're
00:36:11
looking like, is this really happening?
00:36:13
Yeah, it takes a minute for for it to.
00:36:17
Register drugs? Like what?
00:36:19
Cause before he was shaking in the scene and next he walking
00:36:22
out of the plane. I'm a little confused.
00:36:24
Yeah, but Leroy gets them and he kind of shakes them out of it
00:36:28
and hollering and sitting there looking like what the hell just
00:36:32
happened? Oh.
00:36:34
That's not good, you know, And then like, yeah, then the
00:36:40
general goes to visit him in the hospital and he was like, oh,
00:36:44
you did good. He was like, dude, no, I didn't.
00:36:46
He know. He knows we're on to him.
00:36:48
He knows like this wasn't how this was supposed to be.
00:36:54
Because I don't, I mean, and I don't know what's gonna happen
00:36:59
with this character. I haven't seen the 4th episode
00:37:01
yet, but you gotta think that he feels like a target 'cause when
00:37:07
the general says so, you saw him, he was like more like he
00:37:10
saw me. Like Dick was not in control of
00:37:14
that situation at all. That's one of them.
00:37:18
Stand up on your hair, stand on your back of your neck.
00:37:21
So he saw me. That made my hair stand up,
00:37:24
right. But.
00:37:28
The funny part about it is I like it when the general is
00:37:31
getting ready to leave. And he was like, if there's
00:37:33
anything I can do for you, let me know.
00:37:35
And he's like, oh, by the way, my friends and I, we've had a
00:37:38
shitty tank, a shitty tent that water keeps leaking.
00:37:41
We want somewhere to go hang out.
00:37:43
He was like, OK, yeah, I see what I can do.
00:37:47
I was like, OK, you know, like, if I'm going to be risking my
00:37:53
life to find this supernatural entity for you, the least you
00:37:57
can do is give me a place to hang out with my boys where the
00:38:01
rain will be falling in on us. I mean, I think you could ask
00:38:06
for more, but. Right.
00:38:08
I was. I think it's fair.
00:38:11
I almost died so I should get a like you know about it.
00:38:15
So you didn't say anything, right?
00:38:17
You say anything and I always have it ready.
00:38:19
See, I was ready for the day. I make a good connection.
00:38:23
Yeah. And he tells the general he was
00:38:25
like, look, I have a feeling this is something we shouldn't
00:38:29
be doing. We need to just let this thing
00:38:31
be. The general just looks at him
00:38:34
and turns around and walks off. I was like, dude.
00:38:38
I just my question is, I just wonder, So he has this thing, he
00:38:42
knows this this scary thing from when he was a kid.
00:38:45
He wants to weaponize it. How are you going to put it in
00:38:48
the jar? Like how you going to weaponize
00:38:50
it Sir? I think he.
00:38:52
Doesn't really actually remember exactly what it was.
00:38:55
He didn't remember, so it starts when you get closer to there.
00:39:02
It did so because he literally just remembered her name when he
00:39:05
walked into the good thing, right?
00:39:07
Because he. Got the cease and desist letter.
00:39:11
Her name was. On it and then it but then it
00:39:14
like things popped in his head there and that's just take you
00:39:17
back to all the other even TV series and movies like people
00:39:22
have a feeling about dairy like. I don't remember, but something
00:39:28
is there because we even seen that in the flashback when when
00:39:32
they were kids, because his dad was also military.
00:39:36
And you know, they're they're sitting by the the stream or
00:39:40
whatever. He's looking sad.
00:39:41
And she says, why do you look sad?
00:39:42
He said, my dad got his deployment orders.
00:39:44
We leave in the morning. And you know, they have been
00:39:47
friends all summer. He was like, promise me you
00:39:50
won't forget me. And she said, Francis, you don't
00:39:53
know this yet, but Derry has a way of making you forget.
00:39:57
So she even knew that at that age, she was like, it's not
00:40:00
going to be about me forgetting you.
00:40:02
When you leave, you're going to forget me.
00:40:05
And then when we see him walking to the antique shop and he says
00:40:09
to her, what did he say? You got anything for Nickel?
00:40:12
She turned around. She was like, oh, Francis.
00:40:14
And he was like, you know, it's the strangest thing.
00:40:17
He was like, I don't remember any of it, any of it, until I
00:40:21
walked in here. And she was like, what do you
00:40:23
remember now? He was like, I remember bits and
00:40:26
pieces. I remember that we were friends.
00:40:28
I remember, you know, I guess the scary part, I don't think he
00:40:32
really said it. I think he inferred to it.
00:40:34
And she said, I didn't think you would remember my name.
00:40:37
He said I didn't. That's why I got this.
00:40:40
And it was a cease and desist letter because the whole
00:40:43
Indigenous community, they're, they're having meetings because
00:40:47
they're like, the military is digging up our stuff, Like we
00:40:50
need to stop them. They think it's just about them
00:40:53
appropriating the land. They don't realize that he's
00:40:57
actually looking for something. But she is kind of like y'all
00:41:03
might need to leave this alone. So her suggestion is do a cease
00:41:07
and desist letter, start off that way, and then if we got to
00:41:10
go do other things, then maybe we do other things.
00:41:14
Right, yeah, I'm thinking. I'm thinking.
00:41:15
He doesn't. He remembers the feeling.
00:41:18
He remembers if something, but I think he's decided that it's
00:41:23
like a divisive and they're trying to find or something like
00:41:26
that. I don't think he remembers that
00:41:28
is an actual monster. I mean, so I, I think that part
00:41:35
of his memory is being suppressed, but I think the more
00:41:39
he investigates, the more he'll remember.
00:41:42
I wonder, did he remember that the slingshot was in the cigar
00:41:45
box that he gave Halloran, or did he just know it was
00:41:48
something that was connected to should Penny Wise and maybe he
00:41:53
was too scared to open it? I think he kind of remembered
00:41:56
that the slingshot was important.
00:41:58
OK. But he may not be able to say
00:42:01
why he knew that something that could help.
00:42:05
Because I was like. There was something that scared
00:42:07
the mess out of him. He does remember that because.
00:42:12
He wants to use it as a weapon. Right, because it's a weapon and
00:42:16
we need someone who has No Fear because he remember how afraid
00:42:19
he was. During that time.
00:42:21
But we know even from it and even in the book, it's not that
00:42:25
the memories aren't there. The memories are there.
00:42:28
They're they're just suppressed. They're just suppressed, so some
00:42:31
things are going to leak through, like feelings.
00:42:34
Are going to leak through. Yeah, yeah.
00:42:37
So he may know it is important, he may not remember why or how,
00:42:42
but he knows that whatever this is, they can use it to help us
00:42:46
find what we're leaking for. Right.
00:42:48
And he also knows enough to know he needs to lie to her because
00:42:53
she's asking. She was like, what are you doing
00:42:55
out there on our land? He said, oh, we're doing soil
00:42:57
surveys. And she was like, y'all digging
00:43:00
up landmark graves. I'm going to need y'all to leave
00:43:03
that alone. Because I think he knows she
00:43:06
knows more than what she's telling.
00:43:09
Well, now that he knows you know who she is, he definitely knows.
00:43:13
She knows more because she warned him about going in the
00:43:16
forest, so she knew something was in there.
00:43:19
And I think the more he starts remembering, yeah, I think at
00:43:23
that point he'll probably be like, you need to tell me what,
00:43:28
what? What is this thing?
00:43:30
And I think at some point, like the Losers Club, all his
00:43:33
memories are going to come back and he's going to remember
00:43:35
everything at some point. Yeah, probably longer.
00:43:38
They had forgotten. Yeah, because a lot of them
00:43:40
have, they have forgotten a lot of what happened.
00:43:44
And then when they got together, the Office, they remembered
00:43:46
everything. And I think that's what's going
00:43:48
to happen. And the only person who in the
00:43:51
movie I know that was in the book, Ben remembered the
00:43:55
feelings because you know what? He still had the the signature
00:44:03
from Beverly, from the yearbook in his wallet.
00:44:08
So he. Remember her, Right.
00:44:09
So you remember her and how he felt, but not all the other.
00:44:14
Yeah, That's just like what Francis told Rose.
00:44:16
And this one, she said, what do you remember?
00:44:18
He said, I remember my. He said, I remember my father's
00:44:21
base. I remember something else he
00:44:23
said. But most of all, I remember you.
00:44:28
So, yeah, so I do, I want the, I thought about this and I was so
00:44:33
'cause we're talking about like how dairy effects people.
00:44:35
Do you think that Hamlin's wife is immune to it?
00:44:40
And that's why it that's why she's so like gung ho and like
00:44:45
hard hitting with everything that she's kind of immune to it.
00:44:48
Well, she's not from there. I think it probably affects the
00:44:51
people who are from dairy more than it affects outsiders.
00:44:55
And it may take some time to. Yeah, yeah, yeah 'cause she's
00:44:59
just. She's just there, right?
00:45:02
She just got there. But Francis was was there what,
00:45:06
a summer, maybe a little bit longer.
00:45:09
We only see the summer that he spent with Rose, but we don't
00:45:12
know how long he was there before Rose became friends.
00:45:16
So. And also he was a kid and we
00:45:19
know that he likes children. Yeah, a lot of.
00:45:22
Work with adults. Yeah, but Speaking of Hanley's
00:45:27
wife, later on in the episode, and this is so weird 'cause they
00:45:36
Calorin is apparently invited to dinner and I was like.
00:45:40
That seems aw after that they shared this whole weird flight
00:45:45
and. You saved his life.
00:45:48
Then it's still, I don't know, it still felt very awkward I
00:45:54
feel like. It was like they both black,
00:45:56
they both in the military doing this secret thing that they
00:45:58
can't really talk about. And I, I feel like it was like
00:46:02
he was probably curious about him.
00:46:05
I mean. So who invited who?
00:46:07
So who invited who did Leroy invite?
00:46:11
Dick. I would assume so since it was
00:46:13
at his house. Because if Leroy invited, well,
00:46:16
I was wondering if Leroy did or if she did.
00:46:19
But I'm assuming Leroy did because I think he was doing it
00:46:22
as like intelligence gathering. That's how I feel.
00:46:25
Too, because he wanted to know what is happening.
00:46:28
What is still? Weird.
00:46:30
It was still weird to see them like.
00:46:33
Probably because Hanley was suspicious.
00:46:36
And then he. Then Dick made it even worse
00:46:39
because Dick then bounced himself, you know, I mean, he
00:46:43
already. Knew he was.
00:46:44
He was a little wonky woo woo in the head.
00:46:46
But then he asked himself, talking about his kid and he
00:46:48
like, I ain't told you about my kid, right, You know, So he, I
00:46:52
think he yeah, he has a. Little like, what's up with
00:46:54
this, brother? Yeah, yeah.
00:46:57
But I mean, the whole exchange was awkward because like you
00:46:59
said, Leroy was obviously sitting there doing some
00:47:03
reconnaissance. He was like, OK, I I need to
00:47:04
figure this out. I need to figure out what was
00:47:06
going on. And Halloran was he was a little
00:47:12
too chipper, like he was putting on too much for the wife.
00:47:16
And I was just like, dude, you are coming across so unnatural
00:47:19
right now. Like, but I guess she wasn't
00:47:22
paying attention to it or she was just like, OK, y'all got
00:47:25
something weird going on and must be, you know, military
00:47:28
related. Whatever.
00:47:29
I I'm I'm a go in here and I'm a do this.
00:47:33
But their conversation when they get outside and Leroy is looking
00:47:39
at him, he was like, yo, I've never told you about my kid.
00:47:42
Oh, I must have heard it on the bass.
00:47:44
He said, no, He said right before you said that I felt
00:47:48
something a little weird in the back of my brain.
00:47:50
I was like, that. That has to be that brain damage
00:47:53
because who else is going to pay attention to something like that
00:47:57
happening right before? He was like, yeah, I felt
00:48:00
something weird. And I, I kind of knew this is
00:48:04
where this was going to go, he said.
00:48:06
I felt that one one other time when I got attacked, you were
00:48:10
there, weren't you? Right, so that could so like you
00:48:13
will remember that because you'll be like OK, something
00:48:17
going on in the back of my spine one other time when I got and
00:48:21
then I felt it again around. Hey, you must have been there
00:48:24
too. You know how to get into the
00:48:27
brain. Dick wasn't.
00:48:29
So Dick was was digging in there trying to read.
00:48:31
His mind, he said. Usually when someone is being
00:48:34
attacked or about to die, they have all these thoughts going
00:48:37
through your head, he said. I checked you out, you have
00:48:40
nothing. He said you you were
00:48:42
calculating. What color boots I had on, what
00:48:48
my shirt color, how many buttons I had buttoned up I mean.
00:48:51
And it makes sense now that he knew the exact weapon, because
00:48:55
even the general was like, you got a good eye for detail 'cause
00:49:00
he was sitting there calculating and Ham was like, is this gonna
00:49:05
be a problem? No, dude, I've been in your
00:49:07
brain. We ain't gonna have no problem.
00:49:09
We ain't got nothing. He was like, I'm not, this is
00:49:12
not FAFO, but if I'm in the trenches, you are the person I
00:49:16
want to have with me. I know, that's right.
00:49:18
I was like, they came to a real clear understanding right there
00:49:21
on their porch. Like Hamlin was like, look,
00:49:26
don't be digging in my head no more.
00:49:28
And they should. Have just at that point, they
00:49:31
should have just been honest with each other.
00:49:33
I don't know why they went through that whole machismo bull
00:49:36
crap. They should have just been,
00:49:37
look, look, brother, we got to have each other's back.
00:49:40
Does it steal the 19? What year is this?
00:49:43
1962 yeah, so they they still got to put on them airs, but at
00:49:49
at least Halloran is like. Halloran is enlisted and he's an
00:49:54
officer, and they don't usually hang out together.
00:49:57
Yeah. So.
00:49:58
Yeah, but at least Halloran was like, yeah, I've peeked inside
00:50:02
your brand, I know you ain't nothing to fuck with.
00:50:05
We good, we cool. Think about how scary that is
00:50:08
though, to go in there and see that this man ain't got No Fear.
00:50:15
None. Like he didn't think about his
00:50:17
family, he didn't think about none of that.
00:50:19
He like OK if I if I hit right here on this kneecap if I do
00:50:24
right. He's like this guy's about 511.
00:50:28
Right. Now this guy, he's left-handed.
00:50:32
This one's right-handed. He got.
00:50:34
About 3. He got about 3% body fat.
00:50:39
That's that is scary didn't. And they swing in the steel pipe
00:50:42
into your head, and that's what you're thinking about.
00:50:44
Right. Because I have that.
00:50:45
I have that scene on in the background.
00:50:47
Halen is looking at Halorin, just real matter of fact.
00:50:51
And Halorin looks scared. Yeah, Like, yeah, what you about
00:50:57
to ask me? I don't, I don't think he was
00:50:59
expecting Halen to come straight out, you know, and be like, yo,
00:51:04
you was you was messing with my brain.
00:51:06
He was like, what is that? And then he starts talking about
00:51:09
he was like, you know, my, my grandmother said is seeing
00:51:13
something before seeing something.
00:51:16
He was like, I know I sound crazy.
00:51:17
He's a dude. I'm from the I'm from South
00:51:20
southern Louisiana. We we know about them kind of
00:51:23
people there. He was like, I've just never met
00:51:25
one but. And then and then he wasn't mad
00:51:29
that Dick was there, right? Why he's there?
00:51:34
Yeah. He he, he took a whole
00:51:36
analytical approach to that whole situation.
00:51:40
Yeah. Literally not my son.
00:51:43
You going to be a problem. Ain't nothing to mess with.
00:51:50
Mess with he can fight. Right.
00:51:54
You fight, you fly a plane. Like I, I don't know, I kind of
00:51:58
feel like, you know, we were, we were trying to wonder at the
00:52:01
beginning. I was like, I just don't know
00:52:03
what his story has to do with any of this.
00:52:06
OK, so now I see. Because right now he is probably
00:52:09
the only thing that can get to and and not be affected by
00:52:14
Pennywise because of the No Fear.
00:52:20
Obviously things didn't work out quite right because.
00:52:25
No, yeah, That's, that's, that's true.
00:52:27
We know. Yeah.
00:52:29
We know they can make it out alive.
00:52:31
You know, because he makes it all the way to Doctor C And
00:52:34
don't ever talk about because she probably don't remember.
00:52:38
Oh, I would say I was like, no, he did.
00:52:40
I forgot book and show it. Book and movie are different,
00:52:43
'cause I was like, no, he took an axe to the chest in the
00:52:46
movie. But yeah, you're right, you're
00:52:48
right. That's so.
00:52:49
Ridiculous that they changed that.
00:52:51
Yeah, yeah. But somebody who does not
00:52:55
display that No Fear is definitely not his son.
00:53:02
Work baby? Is that PO baby adorable?
00:53:06
Though, but they dumb as bricks. Going to say they're dumb as
00:53:12
bricks. They're kids, they're children,
00:53:14
they're young. Oh my gosh.
00:53:16
And it's. Like rich, Rich is rich was just
00:53:19
trying to be a cool women. Yeah, he was.
00:53:22
That's all he was trying to. Do he was.
00:53:26
He's like, no, yeah, this is. What we do, Yeah, my cousin
00:53:30
said. I thought you said your.
00:53:32
Uncle. Yeah, him too.
00:53:33
I was like, oh Lord. I'm just trying to get y'all to
00:53:37
sit next to each other. Come on now.
00:53:38
Right. And not only that, he was like,
00:53:41
it's, it's hard to make friends. When he said that, I felt so bad
00:53:45
for him because I can I could understand it.
00:53:48
But you know, let's go to the kids because 1 you have Lily
00:53:53
coming out of Juniper Hill and you have Ronnie at school still
00:54:00
kind of, you know, being the pariah.
00:54:02
And some of the kids have actually with the, with the,
00:54:05
they call her that hatchet Hank. They're like hatchet Hank is
00:54:09
gonna, is gonna fry or something like that.
00:54:12
And they, they put it on her locker and red lipstick.
00:54:16
So she she wipes it off. She goes to the bathroom to wash
00:54:19
her hands and Lily comes in, you know, to try to help her.
00:54:23
And Ronnie is like, I don't need your help.
00:54:26
I don't need you talking to me. You the reason why my dad is
00:54:28
locked up. And Lily is like, so guess what?
00:54:33
I told them what happened. They put me back.
00:54:35
They put me back in Juniper Hill just like I told you they would.
00:54:38
She was like, but if I got to go, she's you know, and she
00:54:42
tells her she was like, yeah, it happened to me too.
00:54:44
She was like, I saw the pickle jar, you know, I saw my dad and
00:54:49
they're going to think I'm crazy, she said.
00:54:50
But if that's what I have to do in order to get your dad out, I
00:54:54
can do that, she said. Because they've already put me
00:54:56
back in Juniper Hill. So anything that I tell them,
00:54:58
they're going to think I'm just crazy anyway, right?
00:55:03
So she has this plan. She's like, they're not going to
00:55:08
believe us unless we show them proof.
00:55:10
And Ronnie was like, well, what we supposed to do?
00:55:12
How we supposed to get a picture of a demon baby or whatever the
00:55:15
thing this thing is? And she has a camera.
00:55:17
She's like, we can take a picture of it.
00:55:20
And at first I was looking at this.
00:55:21
I was like, that is the dumbest idea ever.
00:55:24
Like, like something like that is really going to show up on
00:55:27
film, but you never know. So I was like, OK, I'm.
00:55:30
They're kids. I mean, you can take a picture
00:55:32
of me take a picture of. It right and I mean, you never
00:55:35
know because sometimes it might be the stupidest things that
00:55:39
actually gets results, you know, like battery asset.
00:55:45
He believed it, so it worked. Well, the thing that I thought
00:55:49
about was the fact that she had the little cube flash and I was
00:55:52
like, oh, the fact that I even knew what that was, I showed,
00:55:55
I'm showing my age. But the fact that she had the
00:55:59
flash on the camera, I was like, OK, that might work because
00:56:04
sometimes you see it in other stories or whatever, those
00:56:09
bright lights can cast the globe.
00:56:12
So I was like, OK, maybe that'll work.
00:56:15
So I don't even remember y'all. Y'all got to refresh my memory
00:56:21
because I've only seen this episode once.
00:56:22
How in the world did did it come from?
00:56:25
Oh, they were looking for someone to develop the film
00:56:27
because they were like, we got to once we take the pictures, we
00:56:31
got to develop the film. We can't just take it to the to
00:56:33
the drugstore because what are they going to do if the
00:56:37
drugstore see stuff like this? They're going to be like, y'all
00:56:39
need to arrest them. Those kids are disturbed, so
00:56:44
they go to Will because they know Will is smart, or at least
00:56:47
Ronnie does. She was like, yeah, so when you
00:56:49
were talking about the stink bomb, you was talking about all
00:56:51
the chemicals that make the stink bomb.
00:56:53
So I figured you would know what chemicals we need to develop
00:56:56
film. And then this is where the duo
00:57:00
becomes a quartet because Rich and Will they take them to the
00:57:04
the little Kitty hideout, which, you know, I was like, I don't
00:57:09
know if going to that place is a good idea because it seems like
00:57:13
everybody who goes to the tower doesn't make it past a certain,
00:57:18
you know, I I don't know, everybody seems to be dead, or
00:57:21
at least the boys do So. But Rich starts telling them
00:57:28
about his uncle, who is a Santeria priest.
00:57:32
He was like, yeah, you know, the thing that you're describing,
00:57:35
it's just, you know, it's a it's an evil spirit.
00:57:38
Yeah, we can get rid of. And my my uncle used to do that
00:57:40
kind of thing. He would cast spells, whatever,
00:57:43
whatever. Anyway, so they decide, oh, So
00:57:48
what do we need to do these spells?
00:57:50
I was like, you know what? Because already.
00:57:56
Nope. So this is the this is the main
00:58:02
problem I had with that and this is the main problem I have with
00:58:05
children who do this and any other whatever.
00:58:10
If this had been the grown up telling you, OK, this is what I
00:58:15
do to expel evil spirits, this is what you need to follow me.
00:58:22
I could see them trying that. You are taking the word of a guy
00:58:29
you just met 30 minutes ago and you're going to go hang out in
00:58:33
the graveyard and summon an evil spirit who may be a demon baby
00:58:39
that tore your friends apart while you watched.
00:58:43
Well, he sounded so convincing. He sounded so.
00:58:46
Convincing. I know exactly what it is.
00:58:47
You know what else was convincing?
00:58:50
That goddamn demon baby. But he wasn't.
00:58:54
There that man, some black folks mad when they when he started
00:58:57
busting out with it was an Orisha, people was getting mad
00:59:00
because they was like, that'll be you.
00:59:03
I'm sorry about the Orisha, but. Well, he said the Spanish
00:59:07
version of it like, because it's the same, it's the same thing,
00:59:10
but it's. It's the same thing, but it's.
00:59:12
The fact that you know, well, like nobody said nothing about
00:59:17
nothing virus, but he in his mind, him as his child watching
00:59:22
his family do this practice, This is what it sounded like to
00:59:25
him. It wasn't them saying this is
00:59:28
what Pennywise is. This is the definition of what
00:59:30
Pennywise is. This is a little kid, just like
00:59:33
how you know, growing up Christian, everything's a demon.
00:59:36
It's a demon, you know? It's a this, it's a that.
00:59:39
You know. And so, yeah.
00:59:41
When I saw it and when I heard it, I was like.
00:59:44
Maria. Say that.
00:59:46
But he was, you know, like you said.
00:59:49
Yeah, yeah. We we saw someone talking about
00:59:53
the video, how it was that what he was talking about was a
00:59:57
Risha, but it was like a combination of a lot of
00:59:59
different religion, tradition, religious traditions in the same
01:00:04
area, in the same place. So, but you know.
01:00:08
And the fact that people saw that and automatically went to
01:00:11
cultural appropriation, my guys, is, is not that serious.
01:00:16
Yeah, I I understand we all are coming from, but you don't have
01:00:19
to be that sensitive. It wasn't like they.
01:00:21
Went into. A book and they read a history
01:00:24
and it said the history of this creature is this is literally a
01:00:29
child just trying to make friends.
01:00:33
Who just came up with what he heard He was.
01:00:36
Trying to give them an idea. And they were like, we don't
01:00:39
know what he wasn't far with. Like the scariness of it, you
01:00:43
know it's. But the people in the show do
01:00:45
they research because if you do the research, yeah, it it's not
01:00:50
culture appropriation, It's a part of the culture.
01:00:54
Too much. I'm sorry, there was the the the
01:00:57
discourse online was too much. Yeah, yeah.
01:01:02
That's too much, but I mean, he just wanted to make it where his
01:01:05
friend could sit next to the girl that he liked.
01:01:07
Right, that's. All he.
01:01:09
Wanted to do and. If they happen to get rid of the
01:01:11
old resha or whatever, he thought it was right.
01:01:15
But he again, he really had no, he really had no idea what
01:01:19
they're talking about because he hadn't experienced it yet.
01:01:22
So he's just like, yeah, that's what it sounds like.
01:01:24
OK. In his mind, he's like, I can
01:01:26
make this work. And even Will, because when he
01:01:29
asked Will, he was like, you really believe what they're
01:01:31
saying? He said.
01:01:32
I believe that she believes it, you know so.
01:01:37
Yeah, so he's OK. I got a ritual we can do.
01:01:41
We can have to sit together in the circle.
01:01:43
OK. And we getting the whole hands
01:01:48
right and closing. Oh, no.
01:01:49
And then when Lily says maybe we should, maybe we should turn our
01:01:53
backs to each other so we can see.
01:01:55
Oh, yeah, my uncle said to do that.
01:01:57
Dude, Then why? Why weren't y'all doing that?
01:01:59
Oh, I got to go take a leak. I thought.
01:02:01
I thought we were supposed to leave the circle.
01:02:03
Oh, but I'm coming right back, so we'll be OK.
01:02:06
They're like, hold up. Something right about this?
01:02:08
Right. My cousin said it was OK.
01:02:11
I thought you said your uncle told you this.
01:02:14
Well, yeah. Well, you know, my uncle told my
01:02:16
cousin and my cousin told me. Dude, we're not playing
01:02:18
telephone with summoning demons or spirits in the graveyard.
01:02:23
No. Again, he didn't know what they
01:02:26
really were talking about. And two, he just wanted his
01:02:28
friend to sit next to the girl that he liked.
01:02:33
It was Wingman being cheering. Right.
01:02:38
But they, I mean, when they start doing this whole thing and
01:02:41
he starts doing the little prayer or whatever, I was like,
01:02:43
you know what, this is not going to end well.
01:02:45
I, I was really expecting another bloodbath because I was
01:02:49
like, this is just like kids who play with a fucking Ouija board.
01:02:53
Like you don't know what you are summoning and what's your name
01:03:00
is Sam and Dean Winchester. You need to leave it alone.
01:03:05
I can really see Pennywise just off to the side going.
01:03:10
This is interesting. Yeah, let's see where this goes.
01:03:15
And that's one of the things that this week in the
01:03:17
conjuration my friend Don did like haunted like locations
01:03:21
panel. And one of the things we talked
01:03:23
about is when there's a child spirit, rarely is it ever really
01:03:27
a child spirit. And they don't sat up there and
01:03:30
conjure something because what if they conjure something on top
01:03:32
of anyways devils. Oh my God.
01:03:35
Oh. God, and it's bad enough so so
01:03:40
of course Ronnie and Lily, they realize that the guys won.
01:03:44
Don't don't really believe them that they're just doing this to,
01:03:47
you know, humor them or whatever, whatever.
01:03:49
They get mad and they take off. Now once they take off on their
01:03:53
bikes, just even looking at the way they're moving, I was like
01:03:59
something ain't right. When they went past that statue
01:04:02
on the tombstone, the statue went I was like, no, it's so
01:04:10
it's so goofy. No, because the even the
01:04:15
expression that thing had, he was like, yeah, no.
01:04:22
I was getting ready to open the bedding line to see which one we
01:04:24
get out of the house. I said well I know Wheel is
01:04:28
safe. Right, that's the only. 1.
01:04:32
That's the only one that we know that is the.
01:04:34
Only one he is. Maybe maybe Ronnie's the Mama,
01:04:38
and maybe she's saying that she's the Mama later on in life.
01:04:42
I, you know, I wondered that too, but I was like, I don't
01:04:46
know, but OK. Is Rich somebody that we know
01:04:50
from later on with the Losers Club because he he reminds me of
01:04:55
a character and I cannot think of who the character is.
01:04:58
I don't think so. OK cuz he reminds me of
01:05:01
somebody. Was anybody of human descent and
01:05:04
the original losers? Yeah, but you know, so so the
01:05:10
girls are leaving and the guys they're like, you know, will
01:05:15
kind of confronts him about you lied.
01:05:17
He was like, look, it's it's hard to make friends.
01:05:20
I was just I was just trying to make friends.
01:05:22
I was trying to be he was trying to be a good friend, which I
01:05:25
get. But again, stop doing things
01:05:27
that you don't anything having to do with spirits, leave it
01:05:33
alone. Don't don't do it.
01:05:34
So let's. Not be out here at night next
01:05:36
time. How about that?
01:05:38
Correct? Let's talk about this.
01:05:42
There was a curfew in there. Yeah, we saw it on the front of
01:05:48
the school when they broke in, break into the school later on.
01:05:51
But there is a curfew in Derry. Why are your parents not driving
01:05:56
around looking for y'all at night?
01:05:58
Because they did that thing that kids do spend the night over so
01:06:02
and so house. Oh, I'm gonna stay over so and
01:06:04
so house. Let's see.
01:06:06
Here's the. Thing they said I'm going to bed
01:06:09
and they said OK and then that was it.
01:06:14
They've been. Gone the whole day from school.
01:06:16
So so this is this is where. Well, they went home and checked
01:06:20
in, though I really don't know that space and time.
01:06:23
Because Haley told Halloran that he was spending the night with
01:06:25
his friend, so he definitely. But this is where the disconnect
01:06:29
comes from me or the disbelief because your daddy in jail and
01:06:35
with your grandma, the grandmama you got at home, Rhonda
01:06:38
shouldn't have been out that house and especially not going
01:06:42
to spend the night with with Lily because that Lily is really
01:06:46
the only person who's speaking to her.
01:06:49
Yeah, but she's she is. You know, Grandma went and sat
01:06:53
in that chair and fell asleep. Yeah, and Lily Mama probably at
01:06:57
work. Right.
01:06:58
OK, Lily's Mama. I can probably, but I'm serious.
01:07:01
Grandma is in that chair. Done.
01:07:05
She read her Bible verse and she laid on that that that sofa with
01:07:09
her blanket. She washed her ears and Ronnie
01:07:13
said. Goodnight.
01:07:14
Goodnight, Granny. All right, love.
01:07:16
All right. Don't stay up too late.
01:07:18
And she knocked out. He has no idea that girl is
01:07:22
gone. OK, They had no idea the girl
01:07:25
was gone the other night when she went to the theater.
01:07:28
That's. True, and it was just the
01:07:31
grandma there too, because the daddy, they went up.
01:07:34
No, Yeah, yeah. After the episode, they.
01:07:39
He said they saw him walking around.
01:07:42
OK, walking. Around Oh yeah, you.
01:07:43
Don't remember. Yeah, I was thinking about to
01:07:46
say something else. Oh, no, no, no.
01:07:48
They saw him. The the cop, the sheriff said
01:07:51
that we got witnesses that saw you walking on the street.
01:07:55
Oh, yeah. The cigarette.
01:07:57
The cigarette. Yeah, yeah.
01:07:59
Yeah, but I'm. Tell you I I knew what he was
01:08:01
doing well for episode 4. OK, so again, well, I haven't.
01:08:07
Watched. No, that's what I'm saying.
01:08:09
So. But again, no one knows what
01:08:12
Ronnie doing. OK OK.
01:08:14
And you want to know why I because I saw a TikTok, I sent
01:08:19
it to you where the commercials at the end of the evening at
01:08:24
10:00 said do you know where your?
01:08:25
Kids are. You know where your kids are.
01:08:29
We're talking. About that this weekend, too,
01:08:30
do. You know, we mentioned that
01:08:32
during the Stranger Things panel that we did.
01:08:35
Long time ago we did, but I just saw another where someone
01:08:38
actually showed the the footage of the different stars saying
01:08:41
it's 10:00. Do you know where Europeans are?
01:08:43
Yeah, I remember, I remember that.
01:08:45
But as. You know, like by 11 it was.
01:08:49
Yeah. There was no more TV.
01:08:51
There was static, yeah, but I'm still concerned at 10:00 they
01:08:54
don't know where none of their kids are, which is at a grave
01:08:56
site running from ghost with the camera, who I would have never
01:09:00
took in any picture because I was like, I'm not looking for
01:09:03
the camera. I see y'all at the house.
01:09:06
I don't for Ronnie, she got to have the camera.
01:09:09
She's trying to make sure her dad gets out of jail, that he's
01:09:12
not going because because in this day and age, that's not
01:09:16
going to get one. He's not going to get a fair
01:09:18
trial 2. They're not going to let him sit
01:09:22
in jail and just rot. They're going to be looking to
01:09:25
to kill him. I can kind of understand Ronnie
01:09:28
is like we need the camera. We need the camera and also for
01:09:31
Lily because Lily is like, I need y'all to understand that I
01:09:35
am not crazy that these things exist.
01:09:39
So, you know, like I said. This but the other boys I would
01:09:42
have been at home. I'm not looking for no camera in
01:09:44
the dark. You know what I think?
01:09:47
The boys, it kind of like when Anthony said early, I think it
01:09:51
was taking them a minute to register what was going on
01:09:55
because again, they weren't believing what Ronnie and Lily
01:09:58
told them. They were just like, OK, I think
01:10:00
that they believe it. But when they.
01:10:02
Start trying to catch up to them and the ground starts splitting
01:10:07
and they realize they're like, what is going on?
01:10:09
What is going on? Then you start seeing the
01:10:10
ghosts. You see, I didn't.
01:10:13
Mention ghosts. You see Teddy and you see Teddy
01:10:18
and you, and you see what's his name.
01:10:24
Paul I mean, yeah, no. Phil.
01:10:28
Phil yes. Then I'm on my bike and I'm
01:10:30
trying to get out there as fast as I can and.
01:10:33
And you got all these ghosts coming at you and, and you're
01:10:37
still trying to take pictures and then the camera gets stuck
01:10:40
in the tree. And then one of them gets the
01:10:42
camera out the tree and then it falls on the ground and somebody
01:10:45
else gets it on the ground. And all the while y'all are
01:10:47
dodging ghosts and y'all are taking off, Y'all are gone.
01:10:52
Will somehow crashes his bike into one of the Crips.
01:10:59
Like how? Do you do this?
01:11:01
You know he ain't the most athletic kid.
01:11:04
Yeah, so he. Also.
01:11:08
He's real scared because he he just realized this Dang lying
01:11:13
and and he's like, oh snap. I don't know the science, but I.
01:11:21
He needed empirical evidence, and he had plenty of it.
01:11:24
Plenty of it. But he he's, he actually has the
01:11:28
camera, he's in the creep and he sees something move.
01:11:32
He takes a picture and then you kind of see the the camera pans
01:11:37
out and I was like, I hope he didn't.
01:11:38
And I was like, no, he can't be dead because we actually, you
01:11:42
know, he grows up in. Hell, you got to have a key.
01:11:45
So I was. Like OK again, Mark Safe.
01:11:49
I know, but still, they're doing a good job of scaring me in the
01:11:53
meantime. Y'all are y'all are giving me
01:11:55
enough heart attacks because the other three, they're in the
01:12:00
front, they're they're safe. They've made it across the
01:12:03
threshold and they're like where is Will?
01:12:07
Where is will. I was like if y'all don't go
01:12:10
back in there and get that boy, I don't care.
01:12:13
I love how Rick Rich was like, oh, he was right behind, no.
01:12:16
He was he was never right behind you.
01:12:18
You ain't even look. No, actually I think he was
01:12:21
because because Will started coming out of the crypt and this
01:12:26
was when Rich his his bike was out of control.
01:12:30
He was coming down the hill and the camera dropped.
01:12:34
He told Will to get the camera and he thought Will was right
01:12:37
behind him because Will was trying to get on his bike.
01:12:40
He grabbed the camera and then I don't.
01:12:42
I think what happened was he saw something in his peripheral and
01:12:46
he went to go look at and I'm going to tell y'all.
01:12:48
I was sitting on my couch yelling at Will.
01:12:50
I was like, Will, you are black. We don't go looking for shit.
01:12:54
Get out of the graveyard. I was when I said I was so done.
01:12:59
It's that. It's that natural curiosity.
01:13:02
Bro, ain't that much, but you know what?
01:13:05
Man, where you going? Where you going?
01:13:07
And you know what, I say this like I wouldn't do it.
01:13:12
But you know what? If I was a child, I'd be the
01:13:15
only child because I, when you think about it, when I was that
01:13:19
age, 10/11/12, whatever, we were doing all kinds of stuff that we
01:13:25
had no business doing as kids like we had.
01:13:27
We had these woods and behind, behind my apartment complex and
01:13:32
we used to play in those woods. We used to go through them so
01:13:35
much that we had carved up that there was a path, there was a
01:13:38
walking path from the front of the apartment complex all the
01:13:42
way to the back. We used to go in there.
01:13:45
We used to catch snakes, we used to catch praying mantises and
01:13:49
black widows and put them in jars and make them fight each
01:13:52
other. Who would?
01:13:54
Yes, as an adult, we're like, that was stupid because black
01:13:57
widows are poisonous. As a 12 year old, we're like,
01:14:01
that ain't going to bother me. I, I, I'm good enough.
01:14:05
I, I can do this. And I we think we are invincible
01:14:09
when we are that age. So it's like, even though we're
01:14:12
saying this now, it's like, oh, y'all should have had more
01:14:15
sense. No, as children, we think we're.
01:14:18
Investing however some of us were scary and I wouldn't be in
01:14:22
the grave site. So I'm just saying because I'll
01:14:24
be like we don't even have to do the same.
01:14:26
I'll be like I see the ghost already.
01:14:28
I'm going home everybody all right, see y'all later and ride
01:14:31
my bike to the house. You're right, it's dark out
01:14:33
here. I ain't going to say.
01:14:35
I'm not going through no grace, no, no cemetery for me.
01:14:41
I don't want to do it now. I wasn't doing it as a kid.
01:14:45
So, so Will finally does come out the cemetery and then like I
01:14:49
said, they make their way to the school where they break in and
01:14:52
they go into the dark room and they they you know, read
01:14:56
instructions and learn how to develop film.
01:15:01
I was like, OK, so they start developing the film and the
01:15:05
camera actually did capture the images.
01:15:09
So you see Phil, you see Teddy and you see Susie and they're
01:15:14
getting excited because they're like, and I was like, y'all
01:15:19
should like y'all should not be this excited.
01:15:23
Like I understand you're excited that the pictures came out, but
01:15:27
that is a chewed up Susie's face that you're looking at, which
01:15:31
was weird to me too because I was like, they didn't find any
01:15:36
bodies, so why were they in the graveyard?
01:15:39
That's that's just something I'm thinking of like no.
01:15:42
This is that's that's. Yeah, OK.
01:15:48
But. So they they, they developed
01:15:51
those film. And then the last one is the
01:15:53
picture that will took inside the crypt.
01:15:57
And when they look at it, the the figure inside is is kind of
01:16:03
blurry, but you very clearly see the two eyes.
01:16:07
Yeah. And they're looking at him.
01:16:09
They're like, it's a clown. And I'm looking at that image
01:16:13
like y'all got good eyes because it didn't really look like a
01:16:18
clown to me. It looked like a pair of eyes
01:16:20
and fuzzy whatever. It didn't look like a clown to
01:16:22
me, but I was like, OK. It reminded me of the so like
01:16:26
the the image of like the old school Penny Wise when he was a
01:16:30
human, that on the real Penny Wise was like a human and and
01:16:34
Francis saw him sitting on the thing over there and he put the
01:16:37
hair, the Wick. It was that old school looking
01:16:40
image. OK and so.
01:16:42
Yeah, the little girl that was dressed up.
01:16:44
Like, yeah, the little girl, yeah.
01:16:45
Whatever it was, the girl. Yeah, OK.
01:16:48
But either way. That is was.
01:16:52
Scary. Yeah, 'cause I would look at
01:16:55
that and I'd be like, OK, you know what, 1 we don't need to
01:16:59
summon nothing else. Yeah.
01:17:02
And so also, again, you are messing with forces that you
01:17:07
don't understand. How do you know that whatever
01:17:11
that was y'all left behind in the graveyard?
01:17:13
You don't know that. I mean, yeah, there's, there's
01:17:21
just, it always bugs me when not, and I won't even say just
01:17:27
kids when people just take something like that and they're
01:17:32
like, oh, yeah, OK, so we're going to do this.
01:17:34
OK, let's go summon this and let's go.
01:17:36
Do you even know what you're doing?
01:17:38
No. So why are you messing with it?
01:17:41
Because if you want, if you don't know what you're doing, if
01:17:44
you don't have that experience, you don't know how to control
01:17:51
whatever it is you're doing. Oh yeah, don't read from the
01:17:55
book. Don't read.
01:17:56
From the how it works. Right.
01:17:58
No thumbs, ever. Come from reading from a book.
01:18:01
Oh yeah, yeah, don't say, but I mean just.
01:18:06
I just feel like for them though, it's just 'cause they
01:18:08
didn't, he didn't believe when he was telling them let's go do
01:18:11
this. He didn't believe it was going
01:18:12
to be a thing, nothing was going to happen.
01:18:15
And 'cause they didn't even believe them girls.
01:18:17
But then the girls were just so desperate.
01:18:20
They wanted to try anything. They didn't care.
01:18:22
Yeah. Yeah, like Hanukkah said, Ronnie
01:18:25
wants to prove that her father is innocent, and Lily wants to
01:18:29
prove that she's not crazy. Yeah, yeah, so the boys are just
01:18:33
like, alright, if y'all say so. Crazy girls.
01:18:36
But you're cute though, right? And Rich is going to make it
01:18:41
happen. Rich is going to make it happen.
01:18:43
Yeah, The thing is, if, if y'all didn't wake something up before,
01:18:47
if something wasn't awakened before, y'all definitely did
01:18:50
something now. I mean, again, that's not
01:18:54
something you can control. You don't know.
01:18:56
You don't know what followed you out of that graveyard.
01:18:59
You don't know what happened in that town now because you're
01:19:03
you're messing with things that you don't understand.
01:19:06
Yeah, but even. And and that goes back to the
01:19:10
adults, too. The general is sitting here
01:19:13
looking for this weapon, right? He knows it's a weapon.
01:19:18
He knows the IT has something to do with fear.
01:19:22
The more and more you start to remember again, you you've been
01:19:28
going around digging up stuff, you don't know what you're
01:19:32
doing. You don't know what effect it's
01:19:34
having. And if you did let loose
01:19:37
something, you're not going to be able to control it.
01:19:40
Contain it, right? The other thing I'm trying to
01:19:42
figure out is where are his superiors that they just let him
01:19:46
run rampant and do all this stuff?
01:19:48
I mean. Like how did he prove to them
01:19:50
that he knew for a fact that there was a weapon there where
01:19:52
he could use all these resources to go find it?
01:19:56
It's crazy to. Me.
01:19:57
During the 40s, fifties and 60's, the military was doing
01:20:01
everything. This is around the same time men
01:20:05
stare at ghosts. They were doing everything.
01:20:10
They were doing everything. Yeah, yeah.
01:20:16
And I think also at that time, if you have someone, what was it
01:20:20
that he was telling the guy that was showing him the pictures
01:20:23
from the car? He said Halloran's psychic
01:20:25
ability has been proven. Like we know that that is
01:20:29
definitely a thing. So whatever they had Halloran
01:20:32
doing before or whatever Halloran was doing before to put
01:20:36
themselves on their radar to say, hey, we might need to do
01:20:39
something with this guy was obviously enough for them to
01:20:42
say, you know what, we going to give you run of this town.
01:20:45
You do whatever you need to find that weapon because again,
01:20:48
they're looking for a weapon. They don't they don't know that
01:20:52
they're looking for being now. I think that Francis is going to
01:20:55
figure that out the more and more he starts digging,
01:20:58
especially now that his memory is coming back.
01:21:03
He's the same Rose. I think he's going to start
01:21:05
remembering more. And at some point he'll probably
01:21:08
be like, oh, wait, I do remember seeing a monster in the woods.
01:21:11
Maybe I need to leave that alone.
01:21:13
But I mean I. Hope.
01:21:15
So Caloran just gave you a warning, he said.
01:21:18
I have a feeling whatever it is we're doing, we should not be
01:21:22
doing it because something bad is going to happen.
01:21:25
Maybe we need to let this go. Yeah, the main When the psychic
01:21:31
is telling you to leave shit alone, you.
01:21:34
Leave it alone. You leave it alone.
01:21:37
Yeah, I think the oh, go ahead. Sorry, I was just going to say
01:21:40
back to the why is he doing it? Remember they're they're only
01:21:44
like 20 years removed from Hitler.
01:21:47
Looking for artifacts and different things across Europe.
01:21:52
Yeah, you know. So.
01:21:55
And it's been 50 years since he encountered that thing, so his
01:21:58
memory is probably really like he don't remember nothing about
01:22:03
that situation. But he knows something is there.
01:22:07
Yeah, yeah. I bet you if a clown walk across
01:22:10
his peripheral in the next few days, he's probably going to be
01:22:14
like oh wait. I wonder if it's going to be the
01:22:17
the toothless man. Don't continue to be that
01:22:20
though. That's what I wonder.
01:22:22
Probably should be, yeah. Because that's what scared him
01:22:26
back then. I mean, I'm sure he's probably
01:22:29
seeing other things being in the military, but that's that's a
01:22:33
childhood fear. I think.
01:22:34
Anthony, you were talking about that earlier.
01:22:36
Yeah. This is something from his
01:22:37
childhood that he probably never got over.
01:22:42
Yeah. And you remember in the book, in
01:22:44
the movies, I think he was doing that to the Losers Club as
01:22:47
adults. He was bringing back things that
01:22:49
they were scared of his children.
01:22:51
Yeah, because he did the blood with Bev and then Stan was
01:22:56
sucking his thumb and doing his ear when he he reverted back to
01:23:00
those days and. Bill kept saying Georgie.
01:23:05
Yeah, he kept saying George stuttering and see.
01:23:08
Richie BB Yeah, let me tell you, I will say this.
01:23:23
I really am enjoying the series, but the the scares are are
01:23:29
getting to me if I see and and and The thing is, I know we this
01:23:35
this show only has what 6 episodes in the first season?
01:23:41
Hey, another six we haven't even seen like actual Pennywise yet.
01:23:47
Nope, that's what I was telling you the other day.
01:23:49
We have not. Right.
01:23:51
I know he gonna pull some some weird scary shit when we finally
01:23:55
do see him. Oh yeah, it's, it's coming.
01:23:58
Because I've also seen it, I think in one of the other promos
01:24:02
where he once again does that fast.
01:24:06
I'm no. Yeah, they keep making sure to
01:24:08
put that in the trailers. And I'm gonna need them to stop.
01:24:12
I'm gonna need them to stop. And then you get to the show and
01:24:16
then it doesn't happen. You're like, Oh no, yeah, it's
01:24:19
still. Coming, I don't know.
01:24:24
The only other thing that we didn't touch on is during the
01:24:29
dinner at the Hamlin's house, we do find out a little bit more
01:24:34
about Missus Ham, like the fact that she is actually a teacher.
01:24:39
She used to teach in Louisiana. She cannot find a teaching job
01:24:43
there in Derry. So this some time has to have
01:24:45
passed, you know? But she's unable to find a job
01:24:50
in Derry, not just because they probably aren't going to hire a
01:24:54
black woman, which is what the implication is, but also because
01:24:59
she was part of the civil rights movement down South and not, it
01:25:05
seems like maybe not in the quite so peaceful way.
01:25:11
I don't know. I was kind of getting that vibe
01:25:13
from the way they were talking. Yeah.
01:25:15
Because she she had no problems talking about it.
01:25:18
And Calorin seemed to be kind of encouraging that.
01:25:23
So he was probably also digging in her brain trying to find out
01:25:27
about her. Leroy was just kind of like, we
01:25:30
got to talk about that right now, like, and.
01:25:32
And that, that's when I think and start saying, Oh yeah, you
01:25:36
know, 'cause she was like, yeah, my husband thinks that that kind
01:25:40
of talk will, you know, 'cause him problems trying to advance
01:25:43
in the military and how was like, well, you know, he might
01:25:47
be right. And she's like, so yeah, I see
01:25:50
you. Flyboy is going to be sticking
01:25:51
together, ma'am. Why is she not in the military
01:25:56
'cause she gets a strong will that she want to be.
01:25:59
No, no, no. That that's the reason why.
01:26:02
Also, she ain't and she ain't going to follow no directions,
01:26:06
No. OK, let's try that again.
01:26:08
No. Because I will say this to her
01:26:11
again, I like the fact that she is strong willed but also it
01:26:15
just it makes me worry for her given the time and where she is.
01:26:23
Yeah. Like I just really feel like
01:26:27
something might happen to her. She.
01:26:31
She's not setting herself up for success.
01:26:34
And we said that in the last episode, too.
01:26:36
It's it's kind of like, like you keep trying to push the
01:26:38
envelope. And right now, in 1962, the
01:26:41
envelope is not ready to be pushed.
01:26:43
And you just got. There and you just got there.
01:26:46
That's the thing you just got there.
01:26:48
You need to get the lay of the land.
01:26:50
Find out who your allies are, find out who you can push and
01:26:54
who you can't. You know, she, she didn't give
01:26:57
it. She got to get into the
01:26:59
community first. Yeah.
01:27:02
And the community, yeah. And I mean, just even their
01:27:07
neighbors. Like, even when Hamlin was
01:27:09
letting Halloran in the house, you know, you got neighbors
01:27:13
walking down and they just kind of look at them like.
01:27:15
Yeah. I was like, OK, it's it's gonna
01:27:20
come at at some point in the next few episodes.
01:27:23
So I just, I, I don't know, because again, I don't remember
01:27:27
much about Hanlon's family except for the fact that his
01:27:34
parents were dead and his grandfather raised him.
01:27:38
I don't think they talked about the grandmother in the original
01:27:40
story, right? So they didn't talk about her,
01:27:43
remember? I don't think so.
01:27:46
I, you know, I'm just, like I said, I worry for her.
01:27:51
I, I like that they're, they're showing her as a strong
01:27:53
character. And that's the other thing.
01:27:56
Somebody, somebody made a post on Twitter and they said one
01:28:03
thing about Stephen King. He loved himself some black
01:28:06
magic. People.
01:28:08
Oh, black. Magic, right?
01:28:09
They were like, he loves some magical black people.
01:28:12
I was like, OK, I think they were talking about something
01:28:14
happening in in Episode 4, but like I said, I haven't seen it
01:28:17
yet. But I mean, Even so, the
01:28:19
characters that we see so far are all very strong black
01:28:24
characters, you know? But again, it makes me worry.
01:28:31
Yeah, because of the time. But also when in his writing
01:28:35
though, so he they probably meant that more as a slight
01:28:39
because in his writing he'll have the characters and
01:28:41
obviously it's based on whatever time the time is.
01:28:44
But like for instance, Dick Halloran Duke kind of got that
01:28:49
old shucking and jiving kind of talk kind of speak, you know
01:28:52
what I mean? Like they kind of, he kind of
01:28:53
has that in those characters from back in the day.
01:28:57
Yeah, his characters are, especially his black characters.
01:29:01
I appreciate his effort. Right, right.
01:29:05
But obviously he didn't go talk to nobody, because even Mother
01:29:07
Abigail understand. I mean, you talk about magical
01:29:12
black people. Yeah, he tried, so I give him
01:29:18
that. Right.
01:29:19
But The thing is, he's from Maine, so.
01:29:23
He probably has a different view saw on TV, right, like Amos and
01:29:28
Andy, like he probably wasn't watching.
01:29:31
Yeah. And I mean, let let's be honest,
01:29:34
he probably had to fight just to be able to keep the black
01:29:37
characters in his books. Because I think I've read that
01:29:40
somewhere. Where they wanted him to change
01:29:42
some of the characters like no. Oh yeah, and Michael Clarke
01:29:45
Duncan in the Green Mile. Another black magical.
01:29:48
Black person. Yeah, I like these magical black
01:29:50
people. Again, I applaud the expert.
01:29:55
There was somebody else. Because that.
01:29:58
I was trying to pull out no more.
01:30:01
Of the ones from Stephen King. But you know, it is what it is.
01:30:06
That's funny. I thought during one of the
01:30:11
panels we were talking about the character, how people were
01:30:17
writing a representation panel. We were talking about that
01:30:19
because I was actually going to talk about the Stephen King
01:30:23
theme, that there's certain tropes and certain stereotypes
01:30:28
because people were writing what they liked and what they knew.
01:30:34
And. Obviously he didn't really.
01:30:37
It didn't seem like he knew a lot of black people, but he had
01:30:40
an idealized stereotype version of black people.
01:30:45
But you know what? I'm going to be honest, if I
01:30:48
have to, If I have to choose between magical black people and
01:30:52
oppressed black people, I'll go with the magical.
01:30:56
I, I will because you can only yeah.
01:31:01
I, I, I'm so sick of, of reading or hearing about the slavery and
01:31:06
the oppression and the yeah, I, I deal with magical black
01:31:11
people. I, I I'll take that stereotype.
01:31:13
Yeah, the cool thing about Stephen King is he could do it.
01:31:17
And and like a lot of other authors who were told not to do
01:31:20
it. Yeah, yeah.
01:31:23
So they, they, I, like I said, I, I applaud the effort.
01:31:27
Yeah, yeah. But let's see, I think we
01:31:32
touched on everything in this episode.
01:31:34
I think the main three points are Nope.
01:31:40
Nope. Nope.
01:31:42
And Nope, children shouldn't play with their things.
01:31:45
I think that was the, I think that may have been the title of
01:31:49
Supernatural episode at one point.
01:31:52
And yeah, don't. Trust your wing man.
01:31:56
Just go with it. Who's still with?
01:32:01
It, you know, maybe if you want to date a girl, maybe not in the
01:32:05
cemetery. Yeah, maybe.
01:32:07
Not I mean. And not conjuring evil spirits.
01:32:11
Yeah. At the same time, you know,
01:32:13
yeah. Again, Rich was trying to help.
01:32:17
I mean, he was. I'm just saying the whole
01:32:19
situation was not what it needed to be.
01:32:21
He was his he. He.
01:32:22
He thought on his feet like he was.
01:32:24
He was fast, he saw, he saw opening and he took it
01:32:28
immediately. He didn't even think twice.
01:32:30
Right, because if you like. About Phil and Teddy, when Lily
01:32:34
went to them, at first they were like, no, we don't think you
01:32:37
telling the truth. This is crazy.
01:32:39
They were like, OK, we believe that she that they believe it,
01:32:42
but you know what? We going to go with it.
01:32:44
We we going to be there. We going to support them if they
01:32:46
feel like this is what they need to.
01:32:48
They were all in. So I mean, I'm cool with Will
01:32:52
and and Rich because yeah. They're cute little babies, but
01:32:57
the but the ladies, I'm sorry, the ladies.
01:33:00
I needed y'all to stop and think this plan just don't go with it
01:33:05
because they said I know how to do something.
01:33:08
OK, so let's go to the cemetery. They.
01:33:11
Were desperate. They were desperate.
01:33:13
Both of them have things to prove, and at this point, they
01:33:17
probably will. Like, what is it going to hurt?
01:33:21
You know? I mean, yeah, like, we've
01:33:25
already seen our friends torn to pieces.
01:33:29
My dad is in jail. I've seen my dad discombobulated
01:33:34
and dismembered in pickled like they probably were at this
01:33:37
point. They were like, OK, you know
01:33:38
what? Whatever.
01:33:40
If it's going, if it's going to help us prove our case, we'll do
01:33:44
it. Yeah.
01:33:46
And it just didn't work out the way they wanted it to work out.
01:33:50
But they got the pictures so. My question was, I, I was
01:33:55
sitting there thinking they fooled with these pictures.
01:33:57
They they, they don't know that he can jump out the picture.
01:34:00
And see that. They don't know that part.
01:34:03
Because you, you can't control it.
01:34:06
You don't know what you've unleashed.
01:34:08
Yeah. So they, they don't know, like I
01:34:11
said, he could have whatever that spirit is, because you do
01:34:15
know that spirits can attach themselves to people.
01:34:18
They don't know what they unleashed in the cemetery,
01:34:21
didn't follow them out. And maybe that's why the the
01:34:24
losers did see him coming out of pictures.
01:34:27
It's because of what they did. What if it was because of them?
01:34:30
You know how you say he wasn't strong and then he woke up
01:34:36
because Dick was in his head and all this stuff and maybe what
01:34:40
is? All this is interesting, this is
01:34:42
something I haven't encountered before.
01:34:44
And now he has portals. OK, well, yeah, that now I'm
01:34:55
going to go back to the original thought.
01:34:57
Nope. Nope.
01:35:00
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01:35:04
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