#fearTWD #TWDuniverse The last mid-season finale for Fear TWD is here! The loss of his family puts Morgan in a dangerous mental state. Madison, Daniel, and the parents join Morgan's attempt to stop Mo and the prefects from facing the herd. Shrike reveals the reason she needs the herd cleared. Morgan reveals to Mo the real reason he surrendered her to PADRE. Given a chance for revenge, Dwight chooses mercy at Finch's request. Morgan gives Mo a choice. Dwight and Sherry say goodbye, in more ways than one. Shrike forgets her own mantra. PADRE gets a new leader and purpose. Morgan Jones goes home.
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What's a pirate's, welcome back to another episode of The
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Phantom hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I am here
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with Casey and we are discussing the mid-season finale of Fear,
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The Walking Dead in which I have lots of feelings, and I have
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lots of thoughts. A lot of them are not great, but
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I need to start with the main thing.
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And that's Morgan is gone like he's done with the show, Morgan
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has left. Left his exited the building
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Faithfully, he is still alive, but I did not realize until
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afterwards that this was Lennie. James is last episode and I'm
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feeling some kind of way about it.
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I was not ready. It was I kind of was like, only
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because I'm ready for the next thing.
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You know what I mean? Hey, yeah, we knew the show was
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ending. So, we knew at some point, we
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were gonna say goodbye to him and I think the halfway
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midseason is the perfect time to say, goodbye to him.
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That way we are, it's the perfect way to wrap up his
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story. That way we could move on with
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everybody else's story and see how those are going to go.
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And that is true because I will say I did like the way that they
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wrapped him up. And they left it open-ended and
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also did more fucking then went back to Virginia.
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He going to look for Rick so as much as I'm saying that he's not
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on the show anymore, I feel like we're going to see him somewhere
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else. This is not the end of his story
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but it's just like I don't know I guess because this is a short
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season it's only 12 episodes and we're already halfway through.
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It's just to the point where it's like okay I know we've been
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kind of sort of I won't necessarily say hate watching
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this season but there's been a lot of things that we have not
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liked and we've been very vocal about it.
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But still overall, I liked the show and to see that it's going
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so fast towards the end. It's just kind of like I don't
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know if I'm ready. Like there are certain
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characters. I'm not ready to say goodbye to
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yet but at the same time we haven't really been seeing them
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utilize, the way that they should be for final season so I
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guess. Yeah.
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Yeah, in a way like you said, it's kind of it's time to start
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wrapping these other stories up and just be done with it but
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Morgan is gone. Yeah, and Morgan ammo Morgan
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ammo. I'm glad she finally at the end,
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there are two things. I'm glad he was finally ready to
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let her go because even though us as parents, we don't want our
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kids to be hurt or harmed, but kind of something.
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I said to him, you know, before she lock them into the train car
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was like, this is what you want, not what she wants.
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So he was kind of sort of giving her what she want.
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Yeah. You don't want to be with me.
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You think these people do a better job?
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Because each even still, even though he does not where he
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wanted. He knows, she'll be safe at
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Padre. Yeah, and that's also to it.
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You're talking about somebody who has been programmed in a
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sense for seven years to believe a certain thing and too, You
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know, follow certain rules. Now, she tried to do that
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differently once she met with Morgan and Grace and you see
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what happened, Grace ended up dead and she realized, oh, this
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is something I really don't want to experience.
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So I think in that same moment, even though she is young again,
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Technically she's only supposed to be eight years old, but still
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she's been raised differently than we are raised or the way
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Morgan was raised, or even the weight Duane was raised.
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So, at some point you got to say, okay, you know, Know what,
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maybe the way that I'm doing things is not what she needs.
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Okay, let me give it to her, she can make her own decisions.
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I mean, honestly, that's what Padre has been raising them to
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be independent of adult supervision adult permission,
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adult everything to, you know, to not have to depend on those
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ties. So I think he thought that that
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was the best, you know, solution for her.
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And then I will say this too. For Mal this whole episode, you
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know, even though she has been saying, I want you to leave me
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alone, leave me alone, don't follow me.
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I, you know, I'm going to do this.
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I was calling her bullshit at the beginning of the episode
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because when Morgan starts talking to her on the radio, if
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you really didn't want him trying to come after you, if you
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didn't want that connection to remain, you would have turned
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the radio off long before you did.
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But it's like you were keeping those lines of communication
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open because you were still kind of unsure and I think at the end
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once she realized, okay. I'ma let you go, I'm a live your
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own life. I thought you didn't want to let
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me go. I don't.
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But this is what you want. If that's what you want, I'll
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let you go and she was like no I don't want to I don't want to be
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apart from you. I want to be with you it's like
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it's one of those decisions where she had to come to that
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herself, you know? And I'm glad she made that
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decision because she has a chance.
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Now at a I guess you can call it a normal life, you know.
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Yes. It's still going to be
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difficult, they're going to, she's gonna have to deal with
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walkers in a way that she had not had to before being isolated
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on the island. But I also think being out in
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this world is better preparation for how to deal with it.
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Then what they were trying to teach them on Padre, you know,
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I'm Padre. They're trying to teach These
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kids. Okay.
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Yeah, we're going to teach you how to kill carrying in a
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controlled environment. We're going to tell you that
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your parents abandoned you whether they did or whether they
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didn't, we're going to raise you to be these unemotional.
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Unattached people and then you can go out into the world and
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Reeb how are you supposed to be able to rebuild the world being
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that emotionally stunted? Makes no sense.
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But I mean we've been saying it from the beginning.
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Nothing that Padre, does none of it.
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Explanations made any sense. And then you see, in this
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episode, you believe your own philosophy.
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Because shrike for all her hemming and hawing, and I'm
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doing this for to protect the children, blah blah blah.
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She was doing this because of her own personal things.
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You know, she said it in the last episode with Morgan, it's
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not about what she wants is about what you want.
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This whole thing about what you're doing to, these kids is
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about your unresolved feelings. Because you, Were there you can
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save your dad. Matter of fact, you will
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probably the reason why your dad ended up dead in the first
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place. Because if you do your brother
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hadn't taken your ass on that island, if y'all hadn't got on
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that boat because it was stupid binoculars, he could have done
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what he needed to do. He could have came back and you
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had your guilt about that. But, you know, I have to say it
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though. She got what she deserved in the
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end. I think.
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Because Ima Be Honest. So the whole thing was shrike
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that plays out She's trying to get Mo and the prefix to lure
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the Walkers away. She's also trying to find her
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father's Walker because in his binoculars is a set of
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coordinates which is the which of the locations that they were
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planning to rebuild the world. So when she is confronted by
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this Walker after still trying to chase Morgan down, you know,
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she sees her father's Walker and she sits there, she looks at him
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and Starts crying, and she drops her gun.
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She drops to her knees. And she's like, I'm so sorry.
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I'm so sorry. And she allows her father's
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Walker to a, you know, to bite her.
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Now, Madison ends up killing Walker, Daddy, and they end up
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taking strike to the train car. She wakes up and there's a
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walker head and thing. Just like, you know what, she
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had done to countless other people and June is there.
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Now, I'm sitting here thinking with June there, And this walker
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head, I think it's shrike is about to get what she deserves.
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No, because June calls into Dwight and she was like what do
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y'all want me to do Finch is the one who says don't let her you
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know, don't let her go through this.
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Nobody should have to go through this because obviously at that
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point Finch is dying, okay? Right, there's nothing, they're
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going to be able to do for him. So Dwight tells Jewel, make it
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quick, make it painless. I was like, yeah, I'll stop
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giving these people easy deaths. This bitch deserves to Tortured.
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I know that sounds inhumane but you know what's right deserved
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it. Anyway.
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So June is getting ready to kill shrike.
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And her, brother comes in the door, he's like I just want to
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see her. I heard she was here blah blah
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blah. He's all crying, and they're
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both crying and I'm so sorry this that and other.
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So June, let's see him. And she was like, you need to be
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gone from this island after you say your good-byes, you need to
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find another place to live and she leaves out the train car.
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And then that's the last, we see of shrike and her brother.
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Now, I know that she had a bite, actually, she had two bites, she
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had one on each side. So technically speaking, she
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should not survive. However, this being The Walking
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Dead. We did not see a body.
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We did not see her die. We did not see crane actually
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stick us a stake through her head and we did not see him bury
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her. June left her on the train car
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that had all of the equipment. She did not have her B as long
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as Grace did but I don't think her brother would know how to he
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was. Always, he always stayed behind
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her brother know how to use that shit.
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This is especially in this season.
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But look, I'm not convinced. First of all, she had the reg
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bison, her neck and, and both sides have that, right?
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I'm shoulder and shoulder. And the neck, even if she talked
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to her brother through getting the spots or whatever, the
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radiation, It's not going to save her.
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She number one, we don't know the amount of time it took
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because Madison left her there. And then we see her when June
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June went to God. We don't know how much time that
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pass. We don't know how long it took
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to get from the remaining. They brought they brought her to
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June because if you think about the car and if you think about
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what happened afterwards, once Morgan left, they had to come
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back to get Grace's body because To Grace's body back to bury it
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in Eastman Cemetery. So Morgan and Morgan and Madison
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brought straight to the train car.
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Because he had to get Grace's body because that was the thing.
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He told Madison at the beginning of episode we got to come back
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and properly, be sure. Grace.
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He wouldn't have left Grace there especially after us.
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Okay. You know.
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Okay, that's true. But it's about this Madison.
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Supposedly succumbed at the stadium in a fire, surrounded,
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by hundreds of Walkers and of course she shows up Troy
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supposedly Madison bludgeoned him with a sledgehammer with
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something. I forgot what she had.
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And now, the rumors are abound. That Troy is coming back.
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Supposedly the person who was collecting those things in the,
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at the end of the episode, A lot of people are speculating that
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as Troy. So, like I said, unless we see a
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body dad is not dead on this show.
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So I'm just going to we also have we also have six other
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episodes to see what's true. That is true but I'm saying I
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don't know I think Frank is dead yet she did I must say she did
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and her brother ain't shit without huh which is clear.
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So he's just going to fall in line to whoever the new leader
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is which sounds like it's Madison.
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I have to say this, this is nothing against the actor but
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his character was like that was that was a waste of screen time.
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It was a waste of screen time, you could have told the story
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with strike and has somebody else be the person behind
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whatever it just because we saw him in what the episode, where
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we got the backstory and we learn what a sniveling.
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We did the episode when they broke the broke, the glass,
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Yeah, that was the same episode. That was the backstory episode
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and then you see them. And this episode, what is he
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basically? He's got the prefix, he's got
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Daniels group surrounding, he's telling the prefix, the kill
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them, shoot them, kill them. First of all, the fact that you
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are telling these children to kill these adults and you are
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not trying to, that tells me one, your ass ain't never
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killed, nobody Walker included, barely probably his sister kept
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Tim Shelton who this also showed me.
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You're not a leader of any kind any time because and, you know,
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I think this is something that I got from Game of Thrones.
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It was something that Ned start said in the very first episode
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because he had to execute a deserter and he told his son, he
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said, do you know, why do you know why I killed him?
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And the son was like because he because he ran from his duties.
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He said, but do you know why I had to swing The Sword?
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And the answer was the person who hands down the sentence
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should be the one to carry it out.
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Mmm. So my thing is crane is sitting
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here like kill them, kill them and then again do and uh, like
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you look, I want to punch her in her fucking head.
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Let me tell you. That is one kid character that
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I'm like, you you went from being passive, 20, I'm going to
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follow and see what she's talking about to all of a sudden
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you so aggressive that you want to kill these people because
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they represent something you lost. lost bitch, if you don't
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go sit down somewhere, Timeout, and at the end of the episode,
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once everything is all done. She's like, what's next.
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Now, you know what, we gonna leave your ass here on the
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island and we going to go and do something else.
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Since you didn't want to, you didn't want nothing to do with
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any of this anyway. And then she got on my nerves.
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Because, even if you now call yourself that, you know, next to
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charge for whatever you call yourself being over these the
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prefix, Why you ain't shooting? Nobody why you're gonna fix.
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Don't nobody. She was so aggressive about it.
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Kill them. I was like you know what?
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I need to see you. Meet somebody like a Judith
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Grimes. She could never never.
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Never, but that's okay cuz because now Padre is gone, Padre
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Padre has been we think overrun because they let all the Walkers
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out and you know, what was the weight?
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That is why they weren't all the island.
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But what they did was when they when they kind of overtook the
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kids most started leading them to the water and Daniel said,
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shrike felt like because you know, No, June was monitoring
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the communications. Daniel said, shrike felt like
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the current of the river was going to wash the Walkers
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towards the island, that's why they evacuated.
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Okay. Yeah, okay, make sense.
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Okay, but I was just like All these people just didn't just
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leave her there just leave the there because she didn't want to
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be a part of knowing this anyway.
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We already know her parents are dead so it's not like she's
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going to go and go and look for somebody, you want to be this
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bad and aggressive and whatever, okay.
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You know what, you can stay and do this workout your shit,
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right? Let everybody else go do what
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they're supposed to do. Because like Madison said, some
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of y'all parents still out there.
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Don't don't let her speak for you but then she can talk about
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going back to the island to get the files.
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I'm like, so now you're about to go.
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And and I mean you need that Parker's.
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Yeah, just probably, they probably go.
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They not gonna, you know it We as Outsiders know.
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There are so many ways to get through hers.
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Yeah. You know what I mean?
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So is because was Yeah, because Morgan know about the slime
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slime in yourself. I don't think anybody outside of
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like the Alexandria's know about the walk, and The Whispers.
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Yeah. No.
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But guys will probably know about the guts to because
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remember unique used to do that, right?
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So I think they have a way to get on that island to get the
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files and come back here. Like I think that that part
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would be easy and I don't think that I'm going to be Honest, I
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don't think the island would be that overrun because Walker's,
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one, we already know they can't swim, right?
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So unless their walkers who are right there next to the
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Shoreline or right next to the bank's, it probably won't be as
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many they would probably be able to get through it.
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I think so because I like I said, because I just don't see
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like that many You know, even if there were a lot of on the
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island, they still got a way to get through right.
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You know, I mean, it would be harder in water because the
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water will wash away the smell or whatever.
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But grab you a walker, please, cut it open Loops that too.
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That's so far, I think getting the files gonna be the easy
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part. That's the easy part is shutting
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down all the parents. Yeah, but you also have the
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call-out telling you come to me, this worker, this where we, but
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you see They not giving them the coordinates Deposit, they sell
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them come here and we'll pick you up, right?
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But I mean, they still trying to maintain something, right?
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They still trying to maintain some sense of security, you
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know, because you put in the car a lot on the world wide web,
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Beyonce's that point trying to figure out what, right?
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And you may have some, you may have some people who are not Who
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may not be looking for the children, who may know that
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their children are dead or who may know that their children are
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gone or that may be coming to Madison for Revenge?
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Click that you took my kid. Uh-huh.
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Because whether the child is alive or not, you still pissed
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off. Yeah, Daddy.
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I mean it's still you still got to pay something.
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Yeah, you know what I mean? So I'm sure there's gonna be
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people that's been looking for her because you got to have
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somewhere. Yes.
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You glad your child back when you have to have someone to
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direct that anger because bitch like me, Right, you know, so
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that's, that's, that's going to be interesting to see how that
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plays out. Yeah, but anyway, let it get it.
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Oh, go ahead. Let's go back to Morgan real
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quick because the title of the episode is all I see is red.
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And we finally you finally get a look at Morgan's in our mind in
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a sense in this episode because we literally start out the
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episode with red and you start seeing all of these different
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little flashes, Grace, dead Grace isn't Walker Grace.
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Grace is Walker attacking mode, different little things and then
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we see Morgan on the railroad tracks outside, the train car
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and Madison is there and he's confused.
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He was like, how did I get outside?
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And she was like I came. She was like, I heard about
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Grace. I came to check and see if you
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were. Okay.
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When I got here you I hear killing them and he looked
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around and there's all the Walkers that were surrounding,
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train car dead. So she takes a man that she was,
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you know, he was like well what's going on?
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She was like you almost you, almost you just wanted me.
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You know I had to knock you out in order to get you to stop.
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And that's what he starts panicking.
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He was like why don't I remember?
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And she's like, you weren't you. It's okay.
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She takes him inside the train car and we see Grace has been
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covered up which I'm assuming Madison probably did.
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But you also see a lot of blood there and you know when she
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gives him back his axe she's like, what's going on?
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And he tries to tell her. Okay well you know mold left
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with shrike they're going to go to the trainer.
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She was like, no that's not what I'm talking about.
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Look behind you. What is all that?
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And so you see them Morgan. Took Grace's blood and roll on
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the walls again Grace turn. Clear mole ran.
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I can't do what I think one of them said I can't do this again
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or something like that. And he's looking at this shocked
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because he's like, okay first you need to get away from me.
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I'm dangerous and then he starts telling her about this.
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He was like, you know, I thought that I was past this because I'm
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I put them to rest. He thought that all of this the
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mental break was because of Jenny and Dwayne and the guilt,
00:23:06
he felt over them. So once he put them to rest, he
00:23:09
thought he was over it. Well no, apparently not.
00:23:13
Because Grace is past because MO is gone and he got locked in
00:23:18
that train car. Ding ding bing.
00:23:20
He was like, oh, okay, so time to let the Beast out again.
00:23:26
And so what we learned, what we learned and what we see
00:23:28
throughout this episode when Morgan gets into that rest face,
00:23:31
and we saw it a little bit on the Walking Dead, but I think it
00:23:35
was kind of unclear on The Walking Dead on purpose.
00:23:40
You know, it's like we knew that he was seeing things or at least
00:23:44
that's what we thought. But what we didn't realize was
00:23:47
when he gets into that mold, he's killing anything like that,
00:23:50
him regardless of, whether it's a person or a walker, this would
00:23:54
explain why he, why he was like that with Carol.
00:23:58
You know, why he was like that with other people, it wasn't
00:24:01
that he was fighting them. Specifically, he's fighting
00:24:06
anything that's coming at him and you see that several times
00:24:09
during this episode, where he gets the killing and he starts
00:24:14
seeing red. And then all of a sudden, he's
00:24:17
being picked up off the ground by a group of people that he
00:24:19
didn't even know. Was there, you know, Daniels,
00:24:21
Daniels Group found him in Madison.
00:24:24
At the, at the shipyard, he's got blood on his hands.
00:24:29
He doesn't remember because when they first got there, there were
00:24:32
only a few walkers. And one of the Walkers was a
00:24:35
young girl dressed in an orange top and he didn't know if that
00:24:39
was more, not because you never saw our faith.
00:24:43
And I don't think he was paying attention to the fact that she
00:24:46
wasn't wearing a jumpsuit. He just saw a young girl, long
00:24:49
hair, orange and automatically thought that it might have been
00:24:53
most that he might have been too late and so he went into this
00:24:55
thing. Now this is the thing that trips
00:24:59
me out during this episode because Once you have explained,
00:25:04
what is going on to Madison? And once I'm a, I'm assuming
00:25:08
Madison explained it to Daniel's Group because the way they were
00:25:11
handling him at first, it was like, we got your back, but
00:25:15
we're staying away. We're giving you time to, we're
00:25:18
giving you time to clear your mind and to realize your
00:25:21
situation. Yeah, math throughout the
00:25:24
episode, when he starts going in and out of these little spaces,
00:25:28
he's like, oh, I got to get some old out of that, the fact that
00:25:32
That folks keep grabbing him Diane and particular.
00:25:35
I was like, bitch, you gonna get killed Because when he gets
00:25:39
ready to leave to go after Mo, she grabs him like where are you
00:25:43
going? He was just like I said, she
00:25:46
does not understand. The feel his hands off me woman
00:25:51
because she did it twice. And then when Madison didn't she
00:25:54
grabbed him but she let go immediately, like, hey, I'm not
00:25:57
a threat. I'm just trying to help you but
00:26:00
that Diane the way she was coming.
00:26:02
I was like, this ain't what you want, you will never find your
00:26:06
daughter if you keep putting your hands on Morgan because you
00:26:08
got about one more good time. And I was so and I'll be even
00:26:13
with her every chance she saw, she thought with her because my
00:26:16
birthday and she was staring one little girl.
00:26:18
Like nothing. Please tell her first hooky.
00:26:21
It is please. Right?
00:26:24
Because every cuz it's either going to be okay.
00:26:27
You are the antithesis of every mother knows her child.
00:26:32
You don't know who your damn chap.
00:26:37
So, yeah, like you said, someone please tell her who her child
00:26:40
is, tell her Jolly well go to the foul line, right?
00:26:51
Does at I need her to please give her a result, please.
00:26:57
Let It Be and let don't let it be a child of didn't make it
00:27:00
please. His she put her hands on more
00:27:03
than one too many times. I was like, okay, you know what?
00:27:07
I need him to knock her on her ass, like you already know.
00:27:10
You already seen what? First of all, you've already
00:27:14
seen. What this man is capable of you
00:27:17
seen all the Walkers that he took out?
00:27:20
you saw the fact that with him, I'ma say no people don't want,
00:27:27
they don't, I don't know, they don't listen, they don't, I
00:27:30
don't know. It's just whatever they need to.
00:27:34
Um yeah then neatly Morgan fuck alone which now they don't have
00:27:41
to because He went through another episode and he was able
00:27:46
to figure this out with Madison's help, which I'm just,
00:27:53
I don't know. I'm just still a man and maybe
00:27:55
I'm never going to be okay with Madison being here because it's
00:28:00
still to me. Does not really make sense,
00:28:03
because they never really did this play.
00:28:05
How to fuck, she got out there out there.
00:28:08
At the stadium shape. They probably will in the back
00:28:11
half because I did see some promo pics.
00:28:14
Today, we are finally going to see Victor and they are going to
00:28:17
reunite. So I have a feeling if she tells
00:28:20
anybody she will probably tell him.
00:28:22
Yeah. Because that was technically her
00:28:25
best friend. And that's what she was trying
00:28:28
to save the most aside from hockey, aside from her kids.
00:28:32
So I have a feeling we'll figure that out.
00:28:35
But for now, in this episode, I guess it's just kind of I don't
00:28:45
know and I know part of it has to do with the guilt that she
00:28:48
feels like she said I'm the reason Moe ended up at Padre in
00:28:52
the first place so let me try to fix this. but it almost felt
00:28:57
like they were trying to suggest that she cared more about Morgan
00:29:04
than she should at this point. Like her Morgan don't really
00:29:08
know each other. You know what I'm saying?
00:29:10
I understand you have a only thing.
00:29:12
She knows he has a connection to her kids.
00:29:15
He knew her children. Right?
00:29:18
But in that same span she got his daughter taken.
00:29:24
She got him to the island, try to help them Escape didn't see
00:29:28
them again for seven years and I all of a sudden she's his big
00:29:33
cheerleader, it just, it feels weird.
00:29:37
You know, the whole, I understand that though, I
00:29:40
understand why, because like, when she found one mole was the
00:29:43
one who came into her cell. She was like, I thought I got
00:29:48
you out of here. Hmm.
00:29:50
Because Christian eating, she did at the beginning say, Say
00:29:53
that she you know after Morgan guy was no she say Morgan and
00:29:59
she but I'm hell, I'll help you get your daughter back, you
00:30:02
know, this is even before. So yeah, but I guess if it's
00:30:07
like he gave her the answer that she needed about her children
00:30:15
because remember, she didn't want Podrick looking for her
00:30:18
kids because she knew that that would be something he'll do.
00:30:21
So when she met Morgan, Morgan was like, this is what I know of
00:30:24
your children. I met your kids, you know.
00:30:27
This is what I know for sure, Nick died.
00:30:29
I know, at least you got big, you know.
00:30:31
I, he's giving her an ending, you know, he's giving her, I
00:30:36
guess you don't questions that are my kids still out there.
00:30:40
Are they wander when we still don't know about Alicia.
00:30:42
But, you know, are my kids still out there?
00:30:44
Are they who have Tibetan states?
00:30:47
Are they, huh? I said, I don't know after that
00:30:50
last scene of the episode, I don't know, I think Alicia's,
00:30:54
fate might be because that was her prosthetic whoever that was
00:30:59
listening to know. But member she have more than
00:31:01
one She had something else because no, remember when she
00:31:07
went back to the bunker, somebody found her arm on.
00:31:11
She left it on the bed, but she had already had something else.
00:31:15
No, that wasn't her. That was the Not the sword but
00:31:22
the Little Weapon that she used to carry that do.
00:31:24
That's what she is know that and that's what she ended up putting
00:31:27
on. Let me I'm gonna go back and
00:31:29
look but I want to say that's what she ended up with.
00:31:31
She didn't have that little stick thing, you know, more with
00:31:33
with her bone in it, she didn't have the bone when anymore.
00:31:36
That's what she ended up leaving.
00:31:39
She didn't have the Beaumont somebody that I swear.
00:31:44
Somebody picked one up off the gurney.
00:31:47
I'll look back to make sure, but I want to say she left that one.
00:31:52
She has a whole new one. She has something totally
00:31:56
different on there. Okay, I'm have to go back and
00:32:00
look because it didn't know what I was like when I saw it at the
00:32:05
end. Okay.
00:32:07
Who he get that from? It didn't make me think he took
00:32:10
it off of Alicia and see because I know it already saw it.
00:32:16
Because they everybody keeps saying that it's a he and I'm
00:32:21
like too many that go back and look at it look like female
00:32:25
hands, hands. Final scene.
00:32:52
Now when she was, when she was walking off towards the What she
00:33:01
was walking off towards that towards the tower.
00:33:05
Yeah, no shit. Oh, she did have a different
00:33:09
know. She had, no, she had her, she
00:33:13
had that prosthetic arm. She had a sleeve over it, but
00:33:16
you can see the fingertips. She had the prosthetic arm.
00:33:20
So she had that arm that whoever it was at the end.
00:33:24
Yeah, I'm looking at the clip right now.
00:33:28
So yeah, somebody got Alicia's arm so that means Alicia got to
00:33:32
be dead. No, it doesn't just get a
00:33:38
prosthetic which means it comes off.
00:33:40
If somebody found Aaron arms that automatically me are Isaiah
00:33:44
has tips on that thing. And how do you know?
00:33:47
She ain't upgraded Alicia. And I did, at least she's not
00:33:51
there. I'm not even, I don't know.
00:33:52
I think see nobody. We see nobody.
00:33:55
And last, we saw her. She was standing upright.
00:33:58
Right? She wasn't sick to your feet but
00:34:00
you don't want that fever. She was standing upright.
00:34:04
And if you know at least you're like, I know Alicia at least
00:34:07
anxious giving up no fucking fight, but come on and see,
00:34:10
that's the thing that makes me wonder because I don't see her
00:34:13
giving up that arm and that is especially that arm has her
00:34:18
bones if he probably got into a fight.
00:34:24
Elastic or something happens when she didn't have time to put
00:34:27
the damn thing or the motherfucking upgraded, she
00:34:30
upgraded to some better shit, because the only other thing I
00:34:34
can think of, and I know this is like, way way like far left
00:34:39
field. The only other thing I can think
00:34:42
of is that somewhere on that island.
00:34:48
She found someone to give her another are more transplant,
00:34:52
whatever you want to call it. Cuz looking at the things that
00:34:55
she picked up. Those are big.
00:34:56
Those are Victor sunglasses. Alicia's arm and I can't
00:35:02
remember what the third object was.
00:35:05
But they all have something to do with people in the group.
00:35:09
I don't know. Gandhi.
00:35:12
Okay, so Casey and I pause the recording for a moment.
00:35:17
We fast forward it to the very last scene of the episode where
00:35:21
you see the mysterious person taking down the coordinates that
00:35:24
Madison is reading over the radio and okay, going back and
00:35:29
looking at it, it should be male hands.
00:35:31
I will say that the hands are delicate but they could be male.
00:35:35
Hands. But nothing before we get to the
00:35:39
different things that the person is picking up, there is a map.
00:35:45
And on this map you see like it there's a route that is marked
00:35:52
off and you can't really see it. I'm going to have to do with
00:35:54
Anthony hates doing it freeze Framing and like trying to
00:35:58
enlarge the photo but you see like You see them starting from
00:36:04
the West Coast in Mexico, and California, and you kind of see
00:36:10
them going up to the Border. You see them going down to
00:36:16
Mexico, you see them going into Texas and then up through, I
00:36:20
think this is Louisiana, where the last marker is that I see.
00:36:25
So again I feel like when they show us stuff like this, they're
00:36:30
showing us this stuff for a, you know, for a reason if this is
00:36:36
Troy, like a lot of people are speculating it could show his
00:36:42
path. Like okay I'm going to like of
00:36:45
course if Madison was the person who killed him quote on quote or
00:36:49
try to kill him, it would, it would make sense that he would
00:36:53
try to follow her. Try to Find her and get his
00:36:56
revenge, whatever, whatever. So that could be the path that
00:37:00
he's taken. But again, I'd have to actually
00:37:02
look at a real map and and and try to figure out where these
00:37:06
coordinates are and see if that makes sense.
00:37:09
But I did find it very interesting that they did put
00:37:13
the map like very specifically facing the direction of the cap,
00:37:17
the camera with the markings, like, you guys, are showing us
00:37:21
information. Alright.
00:37:24
So, We have that and then let's see this Victor's glasses.
00:37:31
Oh, the hammer That's what it was because Madison hit Troy in
00:37:38
the head with the hammer at the dam.
00:37:41
He picked up a then picked up a hammer.
00:37:45
So she left the hammer, she hit it and dropped it, probably.
00:37:48
So, and then yeah, this is that having fun.
00:37:52
This is Alicia's Alicia's prosthetic with her, with her
00:37:55
arm bones, now, why he would have strands glasses because I
00:38:07
don't think stram was a part of that storyline.
00:38:11
What's cuz he wasn't at Otto's Ranch?
00:38:16
So maybe he just has to glasses because, of course, when Alicia
00:38:21
was he would direct the tower, right?
00:38:26
But I mean even then that that's kind of sketchy because the
00:38:29
tower was on fire, I don't know I'm you know what?
00:38:33
I'm not I'm not the detective smart person across Texas.
00:38:40
Wait, hold on, you looking at the map, right?
00:38:42
Yeah, you said going clear across Texas and then it's like
00:38:47
going into Louisiana and then it's like the the very Southern
00:38:54
coal. Ghost.
00:38:57
Okay, so it's going along. The Mexico border is going
00:39:01
through Texas, and it's right now that last X looks like
00:39:07
Louisiana. That's what?
00:39:09
I, that's what I thought. Now then we also which we also
00:39:12
talked about but it's kind of like, okay, so is that where
00:39:17
they started and then you know, when we were trying to pinpoint
00:39:21
where Padre was of course we talked about this, the math,
00:39:24
that was in the last episode The episode where they were trying
00:39:28
to save Grace, you know, it showed they were clearly in
00:39:33
Georgia at the time because you saw some of the Cities from
00:39:37
Georgia and thus the markings on the map which I believe, I don't
00:39:42
know if that was the soldiers Maps or if that was Grace is
00:39:46
Matt. But you know, Padre has been
00:39:48
sending them all around to like scavenge and do all this other
00:39:51
stuff. And you say black marks, going
00:39:54
towards this, the lower Southwest portion of the state
00:39:59
which again as we discussed as they were growing the crowd
00:40:03
towards your yeah, going right there, around, Georgia, Alabama,
00:40:07
Florida, that little corner. So I mean if they're traveling
00:40:13
between Louisiana and that part of Alabama Florida Georgia where
00:40:19
those three coastlines meat that could also make sense.
00:40:24
It's not too. Too long, a distance, I would
00:40:30
say for them to realistically, make back and forth.
00:40:34
Right? But did you also notice in this
00:40:39
vignette when it's going this, watch and the Forefront, it's
00:40:43
kind of blurry. I want to say that's a wife
00:40:45
that's either, watch our compass.
00:40:48
I did, and it's just it's so much.
00:40:53
There. There's nothing for not to be,
00:40:58
no people, it's so much right? And and then if you look at it
00:41:02
because I his canteen is new, that flashlight is new like, not
00:41:06
new but you know, it ain't all Whether they're more, if that
00:41:11
makes any other thing I could think of was, what if that was,
00:41:15
like, maybe Al or something, because we haven't seen Al in a
00:41:20
long time, you know? And then also, you get to see
00:41:23
like the other teeth is when they're, when the cameras slowly
00:41:27
going past, the person who's writing on the notepad.
00:41:30
You see the bottom of the hair? Yeah.
00:41:36
So we know it's long hair. It looks like it's easy.
00:41:38
Either blond or gray Troy was very clearly brunette, but it's
00:41:47
been some years has been at this point in the story, he's telling
00:41:52
the sun, you know, the sun will lighten your hair, but it's been
00:41:56
about 10 years now. Because if you think about a
00:41:59
seven years Padre, Tom did the few years before that, so it may
00:42:04
be around 80 anywhere between 8 to 10 years, that has been his
00:42:09
hair could have changed color. He could have died it somehow if
00:42:13
this is Troy but again, it's kind of like that's who else
00:42:19
would have. We have to go.
00:42:22
Ain't cuz who else? Ain't nobody else.
00:42:26
Hmm, there is nobody else unless it's someone you show that
00:42:31
especially when you show that hammer.
00:42:34
Unless it's some people who, you know, some of the people that
00:42:37
were left with Charlie. But the hell did we blow to all
00:42:39
them up? Some Charlie people.
00:42:43
Yeah, we blew out. Um, because who else have they
00:42:47
encountered on a route? That's it.
00:42:50
Other than the, the farm. That means 300 people that I can
00:42:54
think. Yeah.
00:42:54
On the farm. Like, I know a lot of people
00:42:57
have been talking about taka because I don't think we know
00:43:01
what happened to him. I don't remember.
00:43:05
You remember, talking? He was the, he was the leader of
00:43:07
the of the indigenous Clan. The one, who's, who's laying
00:43:12
Otto, and his sons were on. Mmm.
00:43:16
Remember, he's here, right? Well, I mean, it again is been
00:43:21
10 years, their hair color could have changed, and Madison was
00:43:25
not so that the Was medicine, no Madison.
00:43:31
What near when Victor when they were in?
00:43:33
No Madison. Oh wait, wait, wait wait, wait.
00:43:36
So note that that's not, that's not Victor.
00:43:40
That's Nick. Okay.
00:43:41
Because now I'm I've pulled up the YouTube video of choice.
00:43:46
Death, and yes, Madison has a hammer in her hand.
00:43:50
That's what she hit him with, but did he die?
00:43:54
See we that's the thing. We never saw a body and we know
00:43:58
that the dam flooded. So it was always assumed that
00:44:03
even if he survived the hit, he probably drowned because one,
00:44:07
you probably had a badass concussion.
00:44:11
You know, or some kind of hit you.
00:44:13
No head trauma. So it's not like he would have
00:44:17
been combing or okay, in our minds, in the minds of reality
00:44:23
grounded, in reality, he wouldn't have had the, the he
00:44:29
wouldn't have been coherent enough.
00:44:32
To is a right that at least that's what I'm thinking.
00:44:35
But if this is what people are saying and I will say this to
00:44:39
someone did post a photo like an on-set photo, I'm not sure if
00:44:45
this is a, if this is a real photo or if it's Photoshopped,
00:44:50
it just happened to come across my timeline.
00:44:53
You know. I was like, I don't want to see
00:44:54
any spoilers but supposedly it the the director chair that was
00:44:59
there had Troy Otto's name on? It, or it said, Troy.
00:45:03
So I was like, I really want to bring him back.
00:45:06
It would just be interesting to me if they did because one, I
00:45:09
don't know if I see Daniel Sharman coming back for this.
00:45:16
It just, I don't know. It would have, I guess it will
00:45:21
really help but to think about it, you have to have an old
00:45:26
Nemesis because we don't have the storyline time for a new
00:45:29
one. So it has to be an old.
00:45:31
They have to bring back someone from the past because me insane.
00:45:45
You know, this is way too short a time, you know, but it's like
00:45:51
what will be the whole point in bringing him here?
00:45:55
Now I have no. But it's just okay because the
00:46:00
way things played out in this episode Morgan finally got his
00:46:05
daughter back he got his Peace of Mind.
00:46:08
Back once he you know like you said he realized, okay, just
00:46:12
because I let her go. Just because Grace is Gone,
00:46:15
Jenny is gone. Dwayne is gone that does not
00:46:17
mean that they are gone from me you know they're still a part of
00:46:21
me and this is apparently what starts to repair or heal that
00:46:26
mental break. He had so he's okay enough to
00:46:30
leave with Mo. He goes back to Eastman's area,
00:46:37
he buries Grace in the graveyard, next to Eastman He
00:46:42
calls on the radio for Rick Grimes, he does the same message
00:46:45
that Rick was doing or that he should have been doing.
00:46:47
He was like, hey man, this is Morgan Jones.
00:46:51
I'm gonna come find you. I don't know if you're still at
00:46:53
Alexandria, what but I'm coming? I'll leave, you know, I'll, you
00:46:58
know, call on the radio every day at dawn.
00:47:00
I'll leave it on for a few minutes.
00:47:01
After who knows maybe your wife. Maybe you're listening and he
00:47:05
tells motor come on. And apparently, they're on the
00:47:08
way to Virginia. So regardless, The whether or
00:47:12
not, we see Morgan. Again, we got, I feel like
00:47:17
decent closure with his story. He has his daughter.
00:47:22
He's gonna go try to reunite with his friends because like,
00:47:24
you told Madison, he said, you know, I've said this before, I
00:47:28
left people behind in Virginia, and I never felt right about
00:47:32
that, people who cared about me, and people who I care about.
00:47:35
And I need to go and see if they're okay.
00:47:36
I was I, when he said that I was like, whoo, you got to You bout
00:47:41
to be in for a world of hurt Morgan, because a lot of the
00:47:44
people you knew are gone. And I think the thing that will
00:47:49
probably hurt him, the most is the fact that Carl is gone
00:47:53
because that's Rick's fun. That's the one that, you know,
00:47:56
that started this whole, that whole bond between them, them
00:48:00
talking about their sons, him, trying to help reunite with his
00:48:04
son. I think that's going to be hard
00:48:06
for him. But anyway, like I was saying,
00:48:08
we got closer on Morgan story. Yes, for Madison story, okay.
00:48:14
So at the end of all of this shit, decides that, you know, if
00:48:20
the prefix wants to go out and create the communities, that
00:48:25
Padre, you know, had the coordinates for She was like
00:48:30
okay we can do that or we can stay here, we can make Padre.
00:48:35
What it was supposed to be, which okay II get that if that's
00:48:41
if that's her way of trying to redeem herself for the things
00:48:45
that she has done, okay? I get it to bring Troy back into
00:48:49
the story. At this point, you are basically
00:48:52
bringing someone who knew Madison, when she was I won't
00:48:58
necessarily say at her word. Yes but again this was a this
00:49:00
was a Madison. I did not like this, that whole
00:49:03
storyline her on the farm and the way she was acting is one of
00:49:07
the reasons why I stopped watching the show in the first
00:49:09
place. Way.
00:49:10
Back in season 3, season 4. You're bringing in this old
00:49:14
antagonist. Who's going to have feelings of,
00:49:21
you know, hatred feelings of remorse feelings of Revenge,
00:49:25
towards a person who is 10 years removed from the person that you
00:49:29
were the person who killed you granted.
00:49:32
I understand, she still tried to kill you and you got some
00:49:36
feelings about that. But to bring him in now, with
00:49:40
this new Madison, who was trying to turn a new Leaf who was
00:49:43
trying to be a better person, the same person that she was
00:49:45
trying to be when she died the first time, it just doesn't make
00:49:50
sense to me. It's like you're pushing the
00:49:54
story backward. Yeah, we've we've already moved
00:50:00
past. That right.
00:50:03
Even as viewers, we've moved past that, right?
00:50:06
So it's bringing him. It was Isn't like Troy was a
00:50:08
nice likeable guy, and we were like, oh, he died.
00:50:12
So tragic. Now, he was a dick.
00:50:14
He was a huge dick. We were glad he died, right?
00:50:20
Because maybe they just trying to bring those somebody that we
00:50:23
hate more than Madison. But it makes no sense.
00:50:31
You are absolutely correct. It makes zero sense to bring him
00:50:33
back but I get it because like I said it's not enough time to
00:50:38
introduce somebody new, it's just not it needs to do what
00:50:41
we've been saying it needs to do since they discussed since they
00:50:45
announced bringing Madison back, make it make sense.
00:50:49
That's all. I'm asking.
00:50:50
If you're going to bring Troy back, make it make sense.
00:50:54
Because let's be honest, some of the story.
00:50:57
It's that they have been doing this season, have not been the
00:51:01
greatest. The writing has not been the
00:51:02
greatest. You're on the last six episodes.
00:51:06
Make it make sense. And and, and even even for Troy
00:51:13
to come back. Medicine was going for years.
00:51:18
Yeah. Why are you still looking well?
00:51:21
Okay I was going to say why are you still looking for her?
00:51:24
Because she literally was off the grid for seven years in a
00:51:26
prison but in the beginning of that radio transmission she did
00:51:30
say, this is Madison Clark. So you're kind of putting it out
00:51:34
there that hey, I'm alive and then it could be so many other
00:51:38
people who have crossed paths with her at any given time
00:51:42
during that, you know? The kids back, but that's not
00:51:49
going to. I don't think those are not all
00:51:50
the parents because I'm sure she didn't just take kids from
00:51:55
Galveston area. She probably went to other
00:51:58
locations. And then again, she wasn't being
00:52:01
only collector. So they're probably other
00:52:04
parents that have had dealings with her in other areas, who
00:52:09
don't know that she was instrumental in Padres, you
00:52:14
know, fall. Don't know that she is working
00:52:18
to reunite the like, yeah, you could be saying that on the
00:52:21
radio, but if it's somebody, if I'm a person who she's taking
00:52:26
their kid as far as I'm concerned, that could be her
00:52:30
ploy to try to get more people to come.
00:52:32
That could be a trap. So again, just make it make
00:52:37
sense, just make it make sense and don't make it Beavis.
00:52:41
This storyline that just drags out for six for six episodes.
00:52:45
I mean, you did that enough with the Padre thing, which honestly,
00:52:50
the way that they kind of wrapped it up, I feel like they
00:52:54
didn't okay job. At least they didn't take us
00:52:56
into. Well, we don't know how they're
00:52:58
going to do this, but at least we don't have to deal with
00:53:00
striking her brother for the next six episodes.
00:53:04
At least at least her. You think right Lisa, her right.
00:53:09
Um, the other interesting thing I did want to talk about going
00:53:14
back to Morgan and his his his mental break and everything that
00:53:18
was going on, we finally get the real. reason he sent multiple
00:53:25
Padre and that's because he's telling her, there's, there's a
00:53:30
point in this story where she's trying to leave the Walkers to
00:53:34
the houseboat, And she and Morgan get trapped in there
00:53:38
because Morgan Morgan is in the swamps, he's fighting the
00:53:43
Walkers and apparently at some point he comes face-to-face with
00:53:46
Mo because Momo has said she was going to get away from him.
00:53:51
So some point she comes to him and he starts attacking her
00:53:55
because he doesn't realize it's her and she has to stab him in
00:54:00
order to get him to snap out of it.
00:54:02
And then he tries to tell her to go to get away because because
00:54:05
the Walkers are surrounding them and what she ends up doing, is
00:54:08
she pulls him into the houseboat.
00:54:10
So now they're trapped in the house.
00:54:12
Both the house Bowl is in danger of capsizing.
00:54:15
The Walkers are surrounding it. And so she and Morgan are having
00:54:18
this argument because she's mad because she feels like, oh, now
00:54:22
we're trapped. Now we're going to die.
00:54:24
I should have just left you, you should have left me alone, you
00:54:26
should have stayed away. And he was like, well why didn't
00:54:29
you just leave me? She was like I wasn't going to
00:54:30
leave you to die after I just had to watch her, you know.
00:54:33
So again at this point Morgan is trying to distance herself but
00:54:38
it with that one statement you realizes, she is bonded to her
00:54:42
dad now. And regardless of what she may
00:54:44
say, outwardly she knows in her heart, she can't just leave him
00:54:48
like that. Okay, cool.
00:54:51
What we find out in this instance while they're talking
00:54:56
and you know, you still see the writing on the wall from when he
00:54:59
was in the house. Boat, we find out that the first
00:55:02
time when they were trapped in the house boat.
00:55:05
And her boat was about to get, you know, overtaken by Walkers.
00:55:10
He started seeing red. He started killing the Walkers
00:55:14
around them, and he said, he almost attacked her.
00:55:21
And that was when he knew she wasn't safe with him.
00:55:25
And he had to give her up to Padre.
00:55:27
That made so much sense. Vadik like that one little thing
00:55:34
because even when he explained it before and he was like, you
00:55:37
know, I saw, I wouldn't be able to protect you, you know,
00:55:40
Walkers were all, you know, Walkers almost got to you.
00:55:44
That makes sense when he was saying.
00:55:47
I'm gonna protect you from me, but you're trying to protect her
00:55:51
from you because you don't, you can't control it.
00:55:53
You've already said several times when this happens, you
00:55:58
black out, you lose time. You don't understand what's
00:56:01
going on. Like he is and he literally
00:56:03
started in one place and woke up in another place outside.
00:56:07
The train car, whatever. And doesn't remember how he got
00:56:10
there. So if that was what was
00:56:12
happening to him, I'm a he caught himself from attacking
00:56:15
Baby Mo. Yeah, that's enough to fuck a
00:56:18
person up. Yeah.
00:56:20
To know that as much as you want to protect that person from
00:56:24
everything that's going to harm them.
00:56:26
The biggest threat to that child is you because you're not in
00:56:30
your right mind at this point, because you were in danger of
00:56:32
losing her. And that could have happened at
00:56:35
any other time. Yeah, I when I heard that I was
00:56:38
just like, oh for this character to have gone through as much as
00:56:43
he has and yeah I was kind of like at the end when he got
00:56:48
ready to leave and he was like yeah I'm going to take mode.
00:56:51
We're going to go that I I was like, you know what, you deserve
00:56:54
it. You don't need to be around all
00:56:55
these people anymore because one it's too much stuff going on.
00:57:00
You've been too focused on trying to help everybody else.
00:57:04
It is finally time for you to focus on you and part of that
00:57:08
is, yes, you gotta go back to the people who took you in, who
00:57:13
cared for you, who protected you, and you help protect them,
00:57:18
you know, and he keeps talking about the friend that told me
00:57:21
don't run, don't run. I forgot.
00:57:23
He was talking about Rick. That's what Rick told him and
00:57:26
visit him in the in the scavenger.
00:57:30
Yeah. In the junkyard.
00:57:32
And he was like, okay, I'm I got to go back, I got to make sure
00:57:36
those people are. Okay, okay, so that made me
00:57:39
happy. Like I said, I'm sad that he's
00:57:41
not going to be on this show but that just for me, opened it up
00:57:45
that, he's looking for Rick Grimes.
00:57:47
He's going to show up on it. Rick rhyme show.
00:57:50
When when Michonne and Rick come back to Alexandria, Morgan is
00:57:56
going to be there to greet them. That's that's just, that's my
00:57:59
head Canon That's my head can or he may help or he may help.
00:58:04
Michelle, I thought about that too.
00:58:06
I was like maybe he'll come across he'll cross paths with
00:58:08
Michonne but something tells me Michonne is way out of that
00:58:12
area. So yeah, she was she was Riding
00:58:18
horse. So she she she, yeah, she way
00:58:22
go. Yeah, but um, yeah, I'm just,
00:58:29
I'm glad he got his happy ending someone who didn't get their
00:58:33
happy ending. Unfortunately, our Dwight, and
00:58:36
Sherry Because I was so sad to see them break up.
00:58:42
Oh my God. But you know what?
00:58:43
I kind of feel like Dwight like that's been a long time coming.
00:58:48
I mean they have been through so much together.
00:58:53
Starting with the sanctuary, you know, going through losing her
00:58:56
sister, having to go back to the sanctuary, Sherry having to
00:59:01
agree to be migas wife. In order to save Dwight's life,
00:59:04
Dwight becoming the person that he became because of you know
00:59:08
because of me again and all the stuff that they went through
00:59:12
them getting back together then breaking it apart again coming
00:59:16
back to get it's just it's been so much fun and I kind of feel
00:59:21
like with finches death That was just the end of it because I
00:59:27
don't know especially in that in that environment, with those
00:59:34
circumstances. And with everything that y'all
00:59:36
went through, like, you guys, literally I don't know if I feel
00:59:42
like it was a long time coming. I was sad to see it happen and I
00:59:46
always thought that it would be Sherry to say, okay, this is
00:59:50
done. But for it to be, Dwight is kind
00:59:53
of like, I feel like if Dwight was the person to say we're done
00:59:59
that. Absolutely meant.
01:00:00
They were done. Like, Sherry could say, we're
01:00:02
done and Dwight would be like, okay, she did over and over
01:00:05
again, right? But they always ended up back
01:00:08
together because Dwight Dwight never gave up on them and as
01:00:13
long as he didn't, she could be She could be shaky.
01:00:19
She could be, I don't know if I can do this.
01:00:22
But Dwight being that anchor of that relationship, I think was
01:00:28
what kept them going and even when they were, you know, on the
01:00:32
train car when he was talking about I don't know if I can do
01:00:38
this or whatever whatever she was like.
01:00:41
Well, we can do this, we can take Finch, we can run, we can
01:00:44
be a family again. She was the one who said that
01:00:46
this time instead, Dwight. True.
01:00:50
So then when he was like, after they buried Finch and they're
01:00:54
like, What's Next? And he was like, I know it can't
01:00:57
be this, it can't be us. We can't, we can't keep doing
01:01:01
this. We keep hurting each other,
01:01:03
which I don't think this was any of it.
01:01:06
This wasn't their fault. This was purely shrike.
01:01:09
But still at the same time, I can understand that like you
01:01:12
ended up in this situation where y'all had to be a part for seven
01:01:16
years. You had to pretend and that
01:01:18
y'all didn't love each other. You had to pretend that this
01:01:20
wasn't your child. That's a lot.
01:01:23
And then to get all of that back just to lose that child in such
01:01:26
a horrific way. Hmm.
01:01:30
Yeah. I just flushed, I feel so sad
01:01:34
for them but at the white but I was sad to say I'm sorry.
01:01:39
Right. That's all you went through to
01:01:41
find her and then when she kept trying to leave you because you
01:01:45
tried to shoot you and then all right.
01:01:50
So it's like you watching. Yo yo yo long time your phone
01:01:53
through so much so much adversity and that's good.
01:02:01
Can we get one happy ending? Just One Look at Morgan not but
01:02:06
Morgan had to lose Grace in order to have a happy ending.
01:02:09
So Is like about, I'm talking about, like, the couple's, the
01:02:14
people who have been through it, who love each other.
01:02:16
I realize we're going to get Rick and Michonne, but even
01:02:19
that's not guaranteed, like they may find each other.
01:02:21
Something still happens. I'm still just kind of like,
01:02:25
let's see. But like what?
01:02:28
But keep in mind. We also still have six episodes
01:02:32
love I don't think this is the last we'll see of them.
01:02:36
I hope not. I don't think this is the last.
01:02:38
We'll see of them. Yeah.
01:02:40
Oh, and Margot. Yes, I don't think this is the
01:02:42
last. This may be the end of their
01:02:44
story, but I don't see this being the end of them, okay?
01:02:48
I mean the end of them on the show, right?
01:02:51
Because, you know, we've had other couples break up and then
01:02:53
remember at the finale. Yeah, yeah.
01:02:58
So it is still a lot is still, a still, a lot of time even though
01:03:02
it's only six episodes. So it's still a lot of time.
01:03:04
Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:06
You know I did feel kind of bad though that Morgan Morgan left
01:03:10
without saying goodbye to them but I think also at the same
01:03:13
time it's probably best because his daughter lived while
01:03:17
there's, you know, there's son, didn't I think that would have
01:03:20
been a little bit painful especially since What's her
01:03:28
name? Joan Madison, Madison.
01:03:31
Madison can always, you know, pass on the message, well,
01:03:34
whatever, you know, so they know he didn't die.
01:03:38
Yeah, I know, but still, it's just, I don't know.
01:03:43
It's all benefit regardless of the, the difficulties in that
01:03:47
group like, They still that's still family to even though that
01:03:54
was that was kind of a weird dynamic shaky thing, but yeah.
01:03:59
Of course. Yeah.
01:04:02
But um, Okay, so we ended the episode Morgan and mode they're
01:04:09
headed towards Virginia. Dwight and Sherry are going
01:04:12
their separate ways, Madison. Daniel, June, they are all
01:04:17
together and like I said, they're planning on making
01:04:23
Padre. What is supposed to be?
01:04:26
All right? Mmm, or those oceanos glasses?
01:04:29
I think those were. I think those were victors,
01:04:33
Okay. I think they were Victor's.
01:04:35
Okay? Yeah, I think they were victims.
01:04:39
Um, the other question I have is and and I understand, they have
01:04:44
the equipment and all this other stuff.
01:04:46
By the hell, did they get all of those shipping containers on
01:04:50
the, on the freighter and into the ocean already?
01:04:54
Let's answer me that. Well, technically, at a
01:04:58
shipyard, they have the little machines that can move, but
01:05:02
there how long those machines have been out of commission
01:05:05
because they haven't moved those containers since.
01:05:09
So, you mean in the course of a couple of days that you were
01:05:16
able to move all of those shipping containers, all of
01:05:19
those shipping containers. Yes, with, with all the noise
01:05:24
that that entails. So you'd you Inna, tell me you
01:05:27
moved all of that stuff and didn't draw Walker's back into
01:05:29
the shipyard, with all the noise and all the activity.
01:05:34
And you were able to get it on this boat and who put the boat
01:05:37
out in the ocean because shrike was there trying to control shit
01:05:40
trying to find her daddy. So shrike was on on.
01:05:46
I'm sure some of the parents know how to drive.
01:05:49
They're still adults present, but they weren't the ones that
01:05:52
drove it out there in the first place.
01:05:54
How did it get out? That'll, that'll mean they
01:05:56
don't. Know how to drive a boat?
01:05:58
Somebody may have some boating skills.
01:05:59
Somebody maybe Captain skills, somebody construction workers.
01:06:03
Know how to move a crane that shit.
01:06:05
Do you see the look on my face? You see me trying to come into?
01:06:10
That's too convenient. It's The Walking Dead.
01:06:13
What do you expect of courses to me?
01:06:17
And I'm sorry. I, you know, I have grown into
01:06:21
te Mo, I have grown into zombie Merchant.
01:06:24
She still, ain't she still at 8:00, you ain't convincing me
01:06:26
that this child is 8. You're not.
01:06:31
But do you know the funny thing too?
01:06:32
I will say this at the end when she's in the cemetery
01:06:38
practicing, while while Morgan is talking to Eastman's grave,
01:06:44
she looks more kit like there then she has through the rest of
01:06:48
the the season. When she has her hair down.
01:06:51
She looks more. She looks younger.
01:06:53
But like, when she was in the jumpsuit, no, she was totally
01:06:56
looking like a twelve thirteen year old.
01:07:00
That was 14 year old 11 year old.
01:07:07
It was trying to throw us off I guess, I guess it was nice to
01:07:12
see Morgan, go back to the cemetery because when I saw them
01:07:16
walk through and I saw the graves, I did tear up, I was
01:07:20
like, oh my God. He really did go.
01:07:22
And then when I realized he'd bury Grace, I was like he took
01:07:25
her. Yes quote unquote home.
01:07:30
Yes because if you think about it Eastman's place was the first
01:07:33
home Morgan had in a long time once he left that clear
01:07:36
apartment. Yeah, that was kind of where he
01:07:40
is. Also where he got his, where
01:07:42
he's starting to find peace. Yeah.
01:07:45
A little bit of Peace So I love that.
01:07:49
I love that scene. I loved, you know, him bringing
01:07:52
that in and then also the title card for this.
01:07:56
Episode was different because you see morning and that should
01:07:59
include me in that this was his last episode because you've
01:08:02
never had the peanut the title car, where all the different
01:08:06
people come in, and it's like in that title card, you had hold on
01:08:09
cuz I wrote it down because I was like, who all is in this
01:08:12
title card. You have Jenny Duane Eastman,
01:08:16
which, which was really weird because Eastman was not a part
01:08:19
of this show, but he was a pivotal part of Morgan's
01:08:24
background. So you got Jenny Duane.
01:08:26
An Eastman, Nick, John Isaac, Rachel.
01:08:29
Alicia I believe that was John Dory, senior.
01:08:33
And then Grace, was that John doar Senior with the hat?
01:08:37
I think that's who, that was because I can't think of anybody
01:08:40
else. Who would have like, family?
01:08:43
We'll wait a minute. Maybe Alicia is dead if she was
01:08:48
in that because everybody else and there's Dad.
01:08:49
That's what that's what I was thinking, too.
01:08:53
But also at the same time, but we didn't see a body.
01:08:56
So I'm not giving up one. We didn't see a body into as far
01:09:00
as he knows Alicia's dead. So I don't know.
01:09:04
But, yeah, I thought about that too.
01:09:05
I was like, yeah, they put her in a Montage Montage, Unleashed
01:09:08
Alicia, don't she go? She go Wilson will still hold
01:09:12
out. Hope I am.
01:09:15
Well yeah, I think she's gone but I tell you watch watching
01:09:20
this the end of this episode when he's on the radio and he's
01:09:23
talking to he's talking to Rick. I was just sitting there like,
01:09:28
yes, go find your friend, go find your friend, go show up on
01:09:31
the Michonne, show goes up on the rig show.
01:09:34
Go, so up on the wrist, bones, come on, let's go, let me go.
01:09:37
Thank you Morgan Jones? No Morgan Jones don't die, don't
01:09:43
die. But yeah, I think I did like
01:09:51
this episode better than some of the other ones just because we
01:09:55
did get that. Kind of Full Circle moment for
01:09:58
for Morgan. We did kind of get to learn more
01:10:03
fully about him. Oh yeah, that was John Dory
01:10:06
seeing you. Because I see the little Montage
01:10:08
of faces when he when he places the kiss on Grace's grave.
01:10:15
And he see the different people that influenced him and they
01:10:19
also showed Benjamin on this one, you know, Henry's brother.
01:10:25
Because that was also a big part for him.
01:10:27
So I like the fact that they included those But yeah, like I
01:10:33
said, okay, so Morgan's gone. Now, Grace is Gone.
01:10:38
June is there with Madison? Why did Sheri we don't know
01:10:42
where they're going to go. So now we have a whole other
01:10:45
group of people that we need to figure out, what the hell
01:10:48
happened to, we need to find out, we need some closure on
01:10:51
Luciana. I need some closure on Charlie
01:10:55
even though, yes, I know Charlie is probably dead because of the
01:10:59
whole radiation stuff but still I would like for them to
01:11:02
specifically say she that happened to Charlie.
01:11:06
I need to know where the fuck Sarah is.
01:11:09
I need to know where the fuck Wendell is and I need to know
01:11:12
where strand is. And I'm trying to think, is
01:11:16
there anybody else that we're missing?
01:11:18
I don't think we're ever going to find out what happened to the
01:11:20
other. Kids they just they just gone.
01:11:23
They did, they got to be dead because we cuz we didn't see
01:11:28
them before they left. None of them showed up to be on
01:11:33
the boats so they're just gone and some, you know, supposedly
01:11:36
when the nuclear warheads went off all the kids were with
01:11:40
Wendell and Luciana. I think.
01:11:43
So the fact that we have seen window and Luciana since then
01:11:46
but we haven't seen the kids. Yeah.
01:11:48
That pretty much tells me what happened to them right?
01:11:53
Which sucks because I hate this. I'm very important you make them
01:12:03
pivotal and then you just kind of Usher them off screen and
01:12:07
we're not supposed to ask questions.
01:12:09
We're supposed to just assume something happen to them which
01:12:14
yes in a way I can understand that this is a apocalyptic
01:12:18
world. This is a world that deals with
01:12:20
Walkers. So yeah there's probably more
01:12:23
casualties than did not but still But don't get us into
01:12:29
somebody and then just be like oh they gonna do make us care
01:12:32
about characters and then don't give us closure.
01:12:36
Which is why I'm about to Don't Bring Em In, Bring Em In and
01:12:39
they're not going to have a closure.
01:12:41
We get it. We know that, you know, it's the
01:12:43
end and things happen, mention it.
01:12:46
You could have even you don't have to be a whole scene.
01:12:50
You don't have to be a whole scene.
01:12:52
It can just be 0, Sarah, and Wendell.
01:12:56
This went to wherever the see that.
01:13:03
I don't think that would I just have thoughts about that?
01:13:09
I mean but it's at least if it's a conversation is better than
01:13:12
nothing at all. Yeah, but I just I don't know
01:13:17
because because the way you brought those two in was so
01:13:23
great but like such a big in such a big way, you know, you
01:13:27
belong. No, but you remember, they were
01:13:36
the ones they were hijacking, the they were hijacking.
01:13:40
The 18-wheelers with the supply Nevermore goes on top of the
01:13:43
truck. I can't remember.
01:13:49
I just all I remember is Morgan sitting in the bathroom in the
01:13:54
handicapped stall with some actual toilet paper and Wendell
01:13:58
would Wheels into the bathroom with the shotgun and saying, why
01:14:01
y'all always taking a handicap stop and Morgan was like, he was
01:14:07
like, dude, I get out of there were girls, like, can I finish
01:14:11
first? I was like, look, man, I ain't
01:14:13
been able to properly. Take a shit with toilet paper.
01:14:16
Is A years. Let him have him.
01:14:19
Let it, let him let it go. Yeah.
01:14:22
But you, you bring them in in such a way and you make them an
01:14:27
important part of the story. You give us this beautiful, you
01:14:31
know, episode with Sarah recounting, you know, her and
01:14:37
windows beginnings, and how important he is to her and you
01:14:40
give us all of this stuff and then all of a sudden we just
01:14:43
don't see them, right? And she don't see it.
01:14:46
Me, what we still have six episodes.
01:14:48
I'm hoping that what we think happened with them just being
01:14:54
not mentioned on the show. Let's just hope that that's not
01:14:57
actually what happened? I yeah.
01:15:02
But um yeah, so we're on the midseason Hiatus now.
01:15:06
Yeah. And the last six episodes will
01:15:10
debut sometime in the fall. I don't know if there's a date
01:15:14
for that yet. I forgot to look.
01:15:16
It up. But in the meantime, we do have
01:15:20
dead city that has started. Its it aired the same night that
01:15:25
the mid-season finale for fear. Aired.
01:15:29
So we will have that to talk about for six weeks.
01:15:34
And then yeah we prepare for the end of fear while we wait for
01:15:41
the arrival of the Daryl Dixon show which we are supposed to be
01:15:45
getting. I think a teaser trailer for
01:15:48
that. I want to say tomorrow I have
01:15:52
seen like a small clip that they post it on Twitter today and I'm
01:15:58
looking Edit liked. I don't know if this is going to
01:16:01
make sense, but we're just going to go because the number one
01:16:05
thing is how the fuck he get to Paris.
01:16:09
Yeah, that'll be a whole other Kettle but they have a good-ass
01:16:11
way to explain him. Getting the fuck the Parris.
01:16:13
Yeah, yeah, we will but you know, like I said, we will still
01:16:19
have some Walking Dead content but um, Yeah.
01:16:23
Any final thoughts on this episode by Morgan chose?
01:16:29
It's not goodbye. It's see you later.
01:16:32
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