#agathaallalong Anthony, Hanako, Michael, and Michele discuss the first 5 episodes of the new Disney+ series Agatha All Along.
Three years after the events in Westview, Agatha Harkness breaks free from Wanda Maximoff's spell to find that she has been living a fake life as a decorated Detective, lost her powers, and is being hunted by the Salem Seven. When a mysterious teen breaks into her house and convinces her to take him to The Witches Road, she forms a reluctant coven of other powerless witches to make the journey in the hopes that they all will have their powers restored. But The Witches Road is a dangerous place, and when traveling with frenemies, problems are bound to appear.
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What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here
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with Anthony, Mike and Michelle and we are discussing the 1st 5
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episodes of the Disney Plus series.
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Agatha All along. And it's been wild since we've
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been together on a podcast, I think since before Dragon Con.
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How are you? Guys doing.
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How's everybody doing? Well, Michelle isn't under the
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weather, that's why her camera is not on.
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But she wanted to be on this episode to talk about Agatha.
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So how you guys doing? I'm OK stressed out but I'm just
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waiting for the next time kind of fall so I can relieve some
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stress that's. Kind of a few.
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Weeks conjuration so. Yeah.
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Agatha all along. Let's talk about it, because.
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No, no, no. No, you know what?
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OK. Do you want to go positive or
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negative? Yes, we're, I'm going to start
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with Mike because Mike has been, I think out of the group, he has
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been the most enthusiastic about this show.
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So we're going to start with him and let everything jump off with
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a positive spin because I kind of got a feeling how Anthony's
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gonna feel about this. And I'm gonna be honest, I'm
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kind of on the fence as well. So yeah, we're gonna start with
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the positive. So Mike, shoot, what you
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thinking about Agatha so far? So for those who don't know me,
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my name is Michael Collins and I am a Marvel apologist.
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So OK, I'm not, I'm not a total Marvel apologist because Secret
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Invasion suck now and there's no saving that.
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But this show I absolutely love. I'm I'm I was a fan of Katherine
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Han's portrayal of Agatha from one division and she brought the
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same thing. I understand why people were
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kind of put off by the first episode because it's kind of, if
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you don't know the show Mayor of East Town or you don't, you not
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into procedural cop dramas, you're probably like, what the
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fuck is this shit? And then they switch it in the
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middle. But I thought that was genius.
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It's exactly the same thing that they were doing in one division
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where they were going through different time periods and
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different sitcoms and stuff like that.
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So they kind of started the same way.
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So I understood that and I thought it was great, but I love
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her portrayal. I love teen slash.
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We're not gonna, we're not gonna get to that yet.
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Just teen. Let's, let's, let's start there.
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OK, so we're talking about 5 episodes, so we gotta say
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something. It's in the 5th.
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It's in the 5th episode, but OK teen.
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I love teen. I love his portrayal from when
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we were introduced to him. The second episode was his.
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I loved how he helped to recruit the coming.
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I thought that was great. I love the coven Patti freaking
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Lupone. I mean, how can you not love
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Patti Lupone getting her sign? I can appreciate that.
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I, I love the whole coven. I think that the way they're
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doing it is basically a witch's escape room, and I'm here for it
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is, I mean, that's basically what it is.
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It's just, it's a, it's a really big escape room for witches.
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That's what the richest Rd. is essentially.
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And the way they're going about it, the way they've staged it,
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I've been really appreciative of it.
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I love Aubrey Plaza. I think, I think she's fucking
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hilarious, even though she's supposed to be menacing at
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times. I just think she's hilarious.
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I, I love her portrayal and for everything I, I mean, I really
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like this. And I'm not even really a
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musical like a musicals fan as much as much as a lot of people
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are like musical musical theater.
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People love this show, will probably love this show because
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of all the musical tones and the people that are in it and the
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way that they do it. I really, really like this show.
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That's I mean, it's just, I, I mean, I, I don't know how else
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to really explain it. It's just I, I was, I was in
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from the first episode, OK. Anthony, we're going to go with
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you. Next Michelle Michelle's next.
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We're going to we're going to balance it because I think
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Michelle is a little bit more on Mike's end of the spectrum than
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she is on yours. So we're going to balance it.
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So we got Mike. So let's start with you.
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How how are you feeling about Agatha all?
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Along look it's it it honestly, it's not really negative.
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I mean, the show is just meh, like there's it's not moving me.
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Like I, I watched mayor of East Town and mayor of East Town was
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really, really good. So I, I, I got it.
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But I mean, I like most of the actors.
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Aubrey Plaza is amazing. The her, her, she's, she's
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great. Joe Locke is team, he's great.
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Not a big fan of Agatha at all. The actress that didn't really
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care for her in one division don't really care for her here
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either. I think you just have, you're
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just having backlashes of. You didn't let.
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Let him finish, Let him finish. So the The thing is, she's she
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definitely can't carry the show by herself.
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She can't. So she's going to need a really
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good solid supporting cast, like top notch.
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This has to be an ensemble show. And I just don't think it works
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for me them as as an ensemble cast because it focuses too much
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on her. Like they try to give you a
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little bit of all the other members of the ensemble, but
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it's not enough. It just isn't it's, it's too
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much her, not enough everybody else.
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Right. And then I know the title of the
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show is Agatha all along, but I don't know if maybe it should
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have been called for witches Rogue.
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It is some something else because I, I don't know,
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Katherine Hahn, she's OK actress to me.
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Like I said, I didn't really care for what she did.
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In one division. She was OK as a villain in one
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division. She's sort of OK as an antihero.
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So the whole show is this sort of like this OK so far, OK.
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First five episodes, I'm just sitting there like, OK, yeah,
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that's cool. That's nice.
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You know, I've done a lot of research on magic and witches,
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warlocks, sorcerer's and all of the above, and I just, I usually
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like shows like this, you know? Charmed, right?
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You know, Discovery Witches, this.
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Yeah, it was me. It was like, yeah, it was like.
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And hey, I don't consider myself a music theatre kid, but as a
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person who enjoys musicals but despise.
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You gotta listen to his words. He enjoys musicals.
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He does not like musical episodes.
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There's. A difference Musical television
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episodes. We've had this.
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Discussion before. OK.
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All right. OK.
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But I like musicals now. I don't classify this shows for
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as a musical. These episodes aren't really
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musical to me but I I understand what Mike is saying.
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The music is good and I enjoy the rendition of which is Rd.
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It was amazing. Which one?
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Right, both. Of them, actually, both of them.
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Are you kidding me? Yeah.
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So, you know, those are my highlights.
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OK, Michelle. Replies in which is Rd. which?
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You got OK, so I'm on my side with this and oh, I'm going to
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get some people when I say these things, I have so much to say.
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OK, One, I am very grateful for this show because it's given us
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back to when we had Wanda Vision, when we had Falcon in
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The Winter Soldier, when we had Moon Night Loki.
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Let's ignore Secret Invasion. Let's ignore Echo.
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Let's ignore all those other ones.
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This is on the same level as the other shows.
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I'm sorry. This is quality, friends.
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Quality. OK, I am so sorry you don't like
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Agatha, but she is a perfect Agatha.
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I love Catherine. We love that this Agatha is not.
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She's not sorry for what she has done.
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Hopefully she will start caring about the people that surround
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her. Hopefully maybe.
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But you know what if she doesn't F them, you know what they
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should have not thrown their magic together.
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She's great. Of course I love Aubrey and
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anything that she does. Shout out to the parks and Recs
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and especially the teen. The teen is really playing it
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off, but this show has you questioning things.
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It also has a musical aspect. I love that each episode we kind
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of get into the history of one of her covenants.
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So yeah, it's great even from the beginning because you know
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she's under that spell. And we had all those other
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different types of shows with Wanda.
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We got the line order type show here and it's absolutely
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perfect. So I'm sorry, Hocus what that
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you didn't enjoy this and it's lackluster even though those
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other shows were lackluster. I've.
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Seen that? Really.
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So much better That's. My word.
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Lackluster. I'm sorry, I am talking.
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I'm just saying it is not lackluster.
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It's very rich, it's very colorful and it's quality.
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It's it doesn't seem thrown together as the other shows that
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we have to watch in the past couple of years.
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That's all I'm saying. It's in the same category of
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Secret Invasion. No, it is not.
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I know it's not no. Absolutely.
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No, it's not. No, no, no, we're not going
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there. It's not.
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And you know. It's not right.
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This is literally a house divided.
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It it really is, because my opinion is Anthony almost took
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everything I had to say word for word, even down to like, I
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literally said this to somebody else and I didn't put it in the
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group chat because I knew what kind of response it was going to
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get. I said I was going to wait till
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we were on the show. But yeah, it's, it's kind of
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there was Secret Invasion for me, at least up until the last.
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Minute. Of episode 5, Like, you know
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what, you know what, I'm going to be honest going into the
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show. Well, let's let's let's go all
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the way back to one division coming out of one division kept
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with it. I was like, oh, she's going to
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get her old show. This is going to be cool.
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Then the years of waiting and the multiple, the multiple title
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changes when you start going through those type of things.
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And we know this from what's going on with Blade.
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You know, you, you have a writer, you lose a writer, you
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have a director, you lose a director, you get another
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writer, you lose him, you get another director, you lose him.
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When you start having those types of things happen, there's
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obviously a problem with the production.
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The show is not as strong or the film is not as strong as it
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could be. So I started getting these vibes
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about Agatha way before it aired.
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So like all of the news that came out this summer during
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Comic Con with the promotion, I was just kind of like, like, I
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wasn't excited. I I wasn't doing what I usually
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do, which is like rushing to YouTube to watch the trailer and
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analyze the trailer. I didn't do any of that.
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I was just like, OK, I'm just gonna wait till it comes out
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and, and, and see how I feel about it.
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And I will say I think the best part of the first few episodes
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for me was when Agatha was coming out of her spell and she
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started going through the different iterations of herself
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from Wanda Vision. That was perfect.
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Everything else felt so I don't know, I guess I'm kind of like I
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kind of agree with Anthony as far as Katherine Hahn, like I
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like what she did with the character in one division, but
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as far as this show being about her character mainly, I'm just
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not feeling it. I don't I I'm really not that
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invested in Agatha as a character.
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And I also feel like I feel like she's over she's over playing it
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a little bit. It's just for me, it just, it's
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really, I don't want to say uncomfortable to watch, but it's
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not like my excitement comes from when other people are on
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the screen. And even then it's it's not all
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of them. Teen is my absolute favorite
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character in the show. And that was even for some
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reason, even before the show aired, like something about Joe
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Locke and the way he looked even in the promos, I was like, OK,
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I'm going to like this character and just what we've seen from
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him in the 1st 5 episodes and love this character.
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Aubrey Plaza. I like her as an actress.
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I really don't see, I really don't see what they're trying to
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do with her character here as far as her and Agatha, because
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they start off the show making it seem like they have some
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sexual tension between them. Like there was a there's a pass
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between them. OK, I get what it's supposed to
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read, but I don't I don't feel the chemistry.
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I don't understand what her character is supposed to
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supposed to be doing there aside from creating chaos now that's
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all she's there for. I'm here for it because she's
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very funny as a chaotic character.
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But this interspersing of this supposed relationship with her
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and and Agatha, I'm not buying it.
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I don't feel the chemistry and it's just like them going
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through the trials, finding out about the other characters,
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finding out about their, you know, their traumas and what's
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LED them to lose their magic. That's just been more
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interesting to me. And I don't know if it's just
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Agatha's portrayal. I don't know if it's the fact
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that when you think about her character, her character has
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been under Wanda spell in this show for three years.
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The fact that the neighbors who were so outraged that wanted to
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have them living under a spell, they just, they just sat by and
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let this woman, you know, live in the spell for three years.
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And I don't know, it's just something about the show was not
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really clicking with me up until like the last 10 minutes of the
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5th episode. You, I mean, what were they
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supposed to do though? Well, you said something,
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Hanukkah said something that I think is key.
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The the title changed four times in three years.
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Like they changed directors, writers.
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And when you watch these first five episodes, for me, what I
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see are several different ideas that weren't fully developed and
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they all kind of got put together in this show.
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So like I, I really would have loved to have seen a show where
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this 500 year old witch loses all her power, realizes that
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she's been under a spell from this other witch for three years
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living in the fantasy, and now she has to to go on a journey to
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get her power back. But then you also got someone
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come in. Let's shoehorn in your Billy and
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this you know the. Well, it makes it interesting
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it. Was it was all just interesting?
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Yeah, you are. But you, yeah, you literally
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describing what you want is what you just got.
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No, no, no, no big. Deal.
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There was some extra fireworks, too.
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He wasn't. He wasn't done with his thought.
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OK, I'm so sad. They didn't they?
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OK, well let me make it brief. I'll make it plain they didn't
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need all the additional, the additional Wanda stuff to make
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her character fully fleshed out. You know, Marvel had been on a
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roll with dealing with characters who have had trauma
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and dealing with that trauma and dealing with the ramifications
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of things that's happened to them.
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Here we have the characters in the 1st 5 episodes who hasn't
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really said anything, thought about it or done anything other
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than the first things I want to do.
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I can get my power back. Well, what about did you, did
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you not feel anything about what happened to you, what was done
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to you, you know, like that? That is what made, that's what
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made Falcon and Winter Soldier interesting.
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The trauma that the two of them felt.
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That's what made one division interesting her, we realizing
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that she's trying to deal with this trauma that she had.
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And I know we're not done with the season yet.
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Maybe we're going to get it from addict at some point, but we
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haven't gotten it now, right? And maybe he.
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Won't same thing he's dealing with the trauma of having to
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watch his best friend die and then become a murderer and now
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having to live a regular life again and then dealing with the
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ramifications of the things that he did coming back on him and
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how it affects other people in his life.
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So we have all the oh guy Oh. OK, OK.
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Yeah, but Agatha does have some, but it's not dealing with Wanda.
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That's not what her issues are. But.
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That's what I'm saying is. She may not have.
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She's been through, he's been. Through why not Michelle?
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They have. Finished that talk it it's
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there, but it's like all of it is kind of surface level.
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It's like mentioned, it's talked about but it's not really dealt
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with and it's not really a part in interwoven into the story.
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It's I feel like it's kind of like throwing teen into the mix
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and then them mentioning the circumstances about her son or
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just the fact that, oh, it's rumored that she she killed her
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son or she gave up her son and you see these little bits and
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glimpses of her trying to ignore.
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Whatever it is that that happened with her son or you see
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her kind of acknowledging it a little bit, but I feel like what
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the show was trying to do, they were trying to make it seem like
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Teen might have been her son. And then we realized he's not
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her son. And then we get the reveal that
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he's Billy Maximoff towards the end of this 5th episode.
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And it's just kind of like, what were you guys really trying to
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do? Because the thing that was so
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weird about the 5th episode, when that reveal came through,
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everybody was so surprised. Everybody was shocked.
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Oh my God, the big reveal. And I was like, did we not
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already know that this was Billy?
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Because literally from when Joe Locke was cast and I saw him, he
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looked like he could have been the older version of the the
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actor who played younger Billy. So I always thought that that
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was a known thing. And so when the reveal came for
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me, it was very anti climactic because I was like, we didn't
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notice already, even though I know what the show was trying to
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do. But it just, it never felt like,
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oh, OK, we're going to misdirect people, make them think this is
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Agatha's son when it's really Wanda's son.
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And it just, it fell flat with me.
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Let me hold on, let me see. Let me one more thing, one more
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thing, and then I'll back out and I'll step out.
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The two most interesting things about Agatha is that one, the
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reason why she is the way she is is because her mother tried to
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sacrifice her and that was when she discovered her powers, OK,
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and she murdered the entire coven.
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The second most interesting thing about her is that she
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sacrificed her son in exchange for the dark hole.
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Those are very 2 powerful motivators and drivers for a
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character that you could have explored to no end on the show
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about her. That's why I thought, well,
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well, I forgot what the first title was.
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Like Agatha House of Darkness or the House of of Harkness.
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Yeah, of it. Of darkness.
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That's what the show could have been about.
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Like that's, you know, exploring more of that and the
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ramifications of those things. That's all I'm saying.
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Like I, I would have wanted more depth.
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And that's pretty colors and pretty costumes and pretty sets
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and nice music. Give me an actual story with
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some depth to it. OK, I'm going to equate this to
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my feelings about She Hope versus a lot of people's
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feelings about She Hope. A lot of people don't like She
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Hope because of the CGII completely basically ignored the
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CGI and watched it for the dialogue and everything else and
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I enjoyed it. I don't think that this show
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needs to be penalized for Disney and Marvel fumbling the name,
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fumbling everything that they fumble, not even having to do
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with this show, but having to do with everything else.
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Before this show, while they're filming this show and after the
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show that happened where they've had to push stuff back, cancel
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stuff, do all this other shuffling, it just became a
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victim of that. I don't think this show needs to
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be a victim of everything that is surfacely happening to it.
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And I think as opposed to the thing that it's underneath that
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is going on underneath, underneath it in the show,
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because I like the show in the show.
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I've been looking forward just like you.
00:23:42
I've been looking forward to this show ever since they
00:23:45
announced that they were doing it.
00:23:46
I don't give a fuck what the title is.
00:23:48
They could have been like, you could, they could have just
00:23:49
said, here's Agatha. And I've been like, OK, cool,
00:23:51
run it. But it's like, I understand what
00:23:54
you're saying. Like like if you keep putting
00:23:56
stuff off and changing it, putting stuff off and changing.
00:23:58
It's just like that boys episode where they they were talking
00:24:02
about the show that had like 7 reshoots and it's like a
00:24:05
multibillion dollar, billion dollar budget.
00:24:07
Like it blew up and stuff. It's just like, you know, it
00:24:10
just keeps going and going. I get that, but I like the show
00:24:15
for what it is. It's just like I like, she hopes
00:24:18
what it is. I like Miss Marvel for what it
00:24:20
is. It's like I like all these shows
00:24:22
for what they are, except for Secret Invasion.
00:24:24
But I'm stop shitting on it. This I I can appreciate.
00:24:30
I can appreciate the things in the show that I really like.
00:24:33
I I mean, they've touched on the what she did with her son,
00:24:37
exchanging him for the dark hold.
00:24:39
They've touched on all the stuff that she's done.
00:24:42
And again, there are three more episodes to go.
00:24:45
There's a whole double episode right for Halloween that we're
00:24:49
gonna there are two episodes that gonna be on Halloween.
00:24:51
There's a whole lot of stuff and four more episodes.
00:24:54
So there's and there's two episodes are one in one day
00:24:57
right before Halloween or on Halloween.
00:24:59
We're going to get risked. We still have a lot of lot of
00:25:02
show to go through before we say that they haven't really fleshed
00:25:06
out the character. I agree that a lot of shows need
00:25:09
to flesh out the characters early on, like second, third
00:25:12
episode. They need to flesh out things so
00:25:14
that people know what they're getting into.
00:25:16
But that's not how the show goes.
00:25:18
And I appreciate the way that they've they've actually done
00:25:22
it. And I know it's not for
00:25:24
everybody. And I, and I can appreciate that
00:25:27
because I mean, a lot of people yourselves included, a lot of
00:25:31
other people whose opinion I value have told me similar
00:25:36
things. And I can appreciate that.
00:25:38
And I understand why you won't like why people wouldn't like
00:25:41
the show because of certain things that have.
00:25:42
Fallen on. Like, hold on, hold on.
00:25:44
I think you understand what Hanukkah and I are saying.
00:25:47
The things that happened with the the name changing and the
00:25:51
writers changing, those are, those are what we have.
00:25:58
What we watch is a direct result of all the things that are
00:26:01
happening beforehand. I'm not penalizing the show
00:26:03
because the show changed the name.
00:26:05
I'm saying that that is evidence that the reason why I the show
00:26:11
is the way it is, the reason why the writing is so lackluster,
00:26:15
the reason why they have all these good ideas that aren't
00:26:18
fully fleshed out is because they kept changing writers.
00:26:21
And anyone who knows anything about a show changing writers,
00:26:25
as much TV as we watched, you know that when a new writer
00:26:29
comes on, things change, characters die, ideas change,
00:26:34
things get abandoned. So hey, this is a cool idea
00:26:37
where this could be her son that she exchanged for the dark hole
00:26:42
and maybe he's this is a revenge thing for him.
00:26:45
If they're like, no, we don't like that new writer comes on,
00:26:48
Oh well, well, we've already got all this done.
00:26:51
Let's just make him want the Maximoff son instead of her son.
00:26:56
So on the show, you're watching it and a lot of it's like, oh,
00:26:59
OK, that might be her son. And then they're like, and then
00:27:02
they change. It's not her son.
00:27:04
OK, well, was that like a false flag or something?
00:27:07
So these are things that we feel watching the show based on the
00:27:11
writing and the writing is the way it is because the writers
00:27:15
kept changing, ideas kept changing.
00:27:19
So these are not, we're not penalizing it because the
00:27:22
writers changed. We're penalizing it because they
00:27:25
did a crappy job of writing the shit that they put on the
00:27:28
screen. And I'm not going to see here
00:27:30
and be like, oh. Yeah, it's kind.
00:27:33
Of harsh. It is harsh.
00:27:34
But you know what? Mike has pushed me.
00:27:36
He pushed. Me, I know, but I feel like it's
00:27:38
hard. But some of the things.
00:27:40
In the show because they changed title and writers.
00:27:43
No, the show is oh God, I it is. Not it is not I mean, I'm so
00:27:47
sorry for all the stuff that we have watched.
00:27:49
It is not crappy I. Said it is OK, it's better than
00:27:53
Secret Invasion, It is OK, but I'm just saying.
00:27:56
But not much, Not at. Least for me, No.
00:27:59
No. But no you.
00:28:01
Got I'm saying and a good soundtrack and you got piss poor
00:28:05
writing. You know, you you got really bad
00:28:08
writing and there's an actor on there who really they probably
00:28:13
should. I don't know why they cast
00:28:14
actor. They didn't need Comic Relief.
00:28:17
Move on. Like what?
00:28:18
Are you talking about this year? I'm not, I'm not saying anything
00:28:22
about anyone because I'm not going to point out a particular
00:28:24
actor for being bad, but we had a lot of high hopes and
00:28:30
expectations for this show. And also, I'm going to get on
00:28:33
you. People didn't like she Hope
00:28:35
because the CGI was bad. People didn't like she hope
00:28:39
because it was that was trashed. The writing on that show was
00:28:42
terrible. Everything about this bad, you
00:28:46
know, and it has nothing to do with bad CGI.
00:28:51
The bad we can. Discuss that, we can discuss
00:28:54
that on a separate show and I'll be I'll be more than happy to
00:28:56
argue with. You so we're not going to.
00:28:57
So what we're not going to do is we're not going to have people
00:29:01
did not have their opinions because if I say, well, I like
00:29:04
the show. I'm not I'm not saying you're.
00:29:06
Nothing. No, you, you literally said that
00:29:09
we are talking about we are penalizing the show because of
00:29:12
things that happened behind the scenes.
00:29:14
I can tell you if I had not known about anything that
00:29:17
happened behind the scenes, I didn't really think about the
00:29:19
title change until tonight. But you know what?
00:29:21
The writing is bad. I could write.
00:29:23
I'm sorry. I do agree that I'm sorry.
00:29:26
I think it did influence you to be.
00:29:28
It didn't influence me. I didn't even know that.
00:29:33
I mean unconsciously, unconsciously it actually does.
00:29:39
That is for any show that we ever watch, unconsciously we
00:29:42
will have a little bit of a bias going in because we know of all
00:29:46
the issues and it's OK. I'm not saying it's a bad thing,
00:29:54
I'm just saying it's OK going in without knowing.
00:29:59
Read enough books you can tell change and get abandoned because
00:30:04
they weren't working or. Because everybody else has been
00:30:12
talking, Let me, let me, let me say what I'm feeling about this
00:30:16
show. Because.
00:30:18
The problem? That I've been able to the
00:30:21
problem that I have and I'm I'm going back to the fan because
00:30:25
because of what Mike said, it has nothing to do with it.
00:30:28
The title changes, the writing changes, whatever.
00:30:31
I have a problem with it because the story is not cohesive.
00:30:36
You have a story that's supposed to be about Agatha and and
00:30:40
whatever her journey is to get down the rich's witch's road.
00:30:44
OK, I get that. But the problem is you bring in
00:30:47
these other witches and you only kind of sort of tell us what
00:30:53
their trauma is before you kill the the the witches off.
00:30:57
I think the one that we really got the the back story of was
00:31:02
the witch whose mom sang the album.
00:31:05
You get a little bit more of her back story in these first five
00:31:08
episodes, but the rest of them, you don't really get to know
00:31:12
them and what their purpose is before they die.
00:31:17
And you know, Imam Vilani, who plays, who plays Miss Marvel,
00:31:24
she did an interview and she made this statement.
00:31:29
And I think it's so very true. She says that the MCU needs to
00:31:33
go back to focusing on getting us to care about the characters.
00:31:39
And I really think that's one of the problems with this show.
00:31:43
I really don't care about Agatha's character.
00:31:45
I don't care. Like you haven't given me enough
00:31:48
in five episodes to make me really want to know what exactly
00:31:53
happened, why her mom hate hated her so much.
00:31:56
I mean, she asked her mom in in what the episode 4, episode 5,
00:32:01
she asked her mom like why? Why she doesn't get an answer.
00:32:06
We again, you give us these other witches, you give us a
00:32:11
little bit of the back story when they're walking through the
00:32:13
different trials and they see the different things that are
00:32:16
affecting them, but we don't really know what those things
00:32:19
mean. And it's like now they're dead.
00:32:22
So do I even care? And I just feel like this show
00:32:29
is doing so much to try to tie this show, this character back
00:32:35
to one division and then probably tying it to whatever
00:32:39
else is coming up. And I think with the Marvel
00:32:43
films, the Marvel shows, one of the things that we were so
00:32:48
excited about in the beginning is the fact that all of these
00:32:51
shows have links to each other and they tell a bigger story.
00:32:56
The problem is they're now focused so much on making sure
00:33:01
everything fits that it just kind of feels like they're just
00:33:05
giving us stuff. We really didn't need Secret
00:33:07
Invasion because, I mean, nobody really liked it.
00:33:12
This show, like I said, for me, it's kind of down there with
00:33:16
Secret Invasion. I feel no, I feel no connection
00:33:19
to Agatha. I feel no connection to the
00:33:22
other characters except maybe Teen.
00:33:24
And that's only because I had my suspicions before who Teen was.
00:33:30
So now I want the story of how he is, where he is now.
00:33:34
That's the only thing I care about with this show, Harry
00:33:37
point blank has nothing to do with them changing the title.
00:33:42
It like you said, my it could be here.
00:33:44
Here's Agatha. You're not giving us here's
00:33:46
Agatha, you're giving us Agatha and her walking around with this
00:33:52
this, you know, fake gravitize that she's like this bad bitch
00:33:57
witch and you know, oh, I did this and I killed this many
00:34:00
witches and I'm the most powerful and blah, blah, blah.
00:34:04
So and that's just kind of how I feel about it.
00:34:07
Like I said up until the last 10 minutes of Episode 5, but that
00:34:13
had to do more with figuring out who Billy is.
00:34:17
It just. Is OK, first of all, I want to
00:34:21
say that I did say I, I, I respect everybody.
00:34:25
I listed everybody's opinion and I respect it and I respect your
00:34:30
opinion and I respect your opinion.
00:34:32
So I don't want to make it seem like I'm dismissing anyone's
00:34:35
opinion about this show or any other show.
00:34:39
I'm just trying to, I'm trying to put forward my point of view.
00:34:44
Her Agatha's mother did say in episode 4 when she possessed her
00:34:48
that she she could, that her mother could tell that she was
00:34:50
even when she came out of her and that she should have killed
00:34:52
her then. So she so she's still kind of
00:34:55
alluding. To it.
00:34:56
How fucked up was that? Yeah, that was fucked up, but
00:34:59
that mean that that's basically a reason like she sure her
00:35:01
reason is that she that she felt like she was evil when she gave
00:35:04
birth to her. So that's why she was trying to
00:35:07
she probably has been neglecting her and trying to kill her most
00:35:10
of her life. So my.
00:35:12
Question with that is, so whose fault is that?
00:35:14
Is that Agatha's fault as a baby, or was that the mom's
00:35:17
fault you? No but no but it's but it's no I
00:35:20
agree but it's still but it still it still gives motivation
00:35:23
for the mother as to why she's being why she's treating her
00:35:26
like that. Also if most people didn't know
00:35:29
that that teen was Billy by the end of episode after the after
00:35:33
episode 4 when when Rio told her that it wasn't her son, there
00:35:37
are only 2 two people that it could have been.
00:35:40
This whole show everybody knew that teen was either one or two
00:35:43
people who's either Nicholas Scratch or he was Billy Maxima.
00:35:46
There's no in between. There's no one else that he
00:35:48
could have been. So I suspect he was Billy from
00:35:50
episode 2 when the sigil was on him.
00:35:53
That's why I thought I thought someone put a sigil on to
00:35:55
protect him from Agatha finding out and doing something to him
00:35:59
because of how she treated Agatha.
00:36:00
So I pretty much assumed as he was Billy.
00:36:03
Plus he looked like the Billy in the Young Avengers, the way he
00:36:07
had his hair, the way his hair was and stuff like that.
00:36:09
He kind of looked like him in the comic version of him.
00:36:13
So I kind of figured I was kind of figuring he was really from
00:36:16
when I was first introduced to him.
00:36:18
But after, after Rio said that that's not your son, you were
00:36:23
like, oh, well, I didn't necessarily think that she was
00:36:26
doing that just to hurt her feelings.
00:36:28
I think she was doing it to to be like, hey, calm your ass
00:36:31
down. That's not who that is.
00:36:34
I think that at that point I was like, oh, well, that's Billy
00:36:36
then. OK, cool, moving on.
00:36:39
But then, I mean, I got a shout out.
00:36:42
I got a shout out to writers for, well, whoever or the
00:36:45
creators, the producers, whoever had the idea to put you should
00:36:50
See me in a crown after they put the crown on Billy at the end of
00:36:53
Episode 5. I was.
00:36:55
That was amazing. That was that was a very well
00:37:00
placed. The music 111 of the best beat
00:37:04
drops I've ever heard I've ever seen in my life.
00:37:07
Like I was like like this one of the best, one of the best things
00:37:10
I was just, I was floored. I literally was watching it in
00:37:14
my room. As soon as soon as that beat
00:37:16
hit, I was like I yelled and I swear everybody fucking heard
00:37:21
me. I I saw lights come on across
00:37:24
the way because I was yelling so loud.
00:37:26
I was just like, but yeah, I just want, I won't give, I won't
00:37:28
give them their props for that because that was well fucking
00:37:31
done. And I think that for a lot of
00:37:34
people, such as yourself, I think that's a good way to get
00:37:36
people who are kind of falling off, falling off watching it.
00:37:40
And kind of like, I don't know, but like the reveal, like, oh, I
00:37:44
knew it, but then kind of pumping it up like that kind of
00:37:48
gets people back into it. I.
00:37:50
Mean, like I said, that was that was when I started getting
00:37:53
excited. I was like, oh, oh, OK, this
00:37:56
what we doing OK, because it wasn't just the reveal.
00:38:00
It was like it was confirming again, confirming something that
00:38:05
I already knew or I already felt.
00:38:08
But then when you put the music behind it, it just took it to a
00:38:11
whole different level. And then not only that, Joe
00:38:15
Lock, I'm I'm not familiar with anything he has done before
00:38:19
this, if he has done anything before this.
00:38:22
But when I say the whole demeanor change with him once
00:38:28
you get that reveal, like all the way up through the end of
00:38:32
that fifth episode until what's her name dies, Alice dies.
00:38:38
He's like this bubbly, you know, kind of happy go lucky, charmful
00:38:45
charm, you know, charmful teenage guy.
00:38:50
And it's like you really again. He did draw parallels to Billy
00:38:54
Maximoff for me from what we saw in One Division.
00:38:57
And then it's like after Alice dies and he starts going off on
00:39:01
Agatha about who she is and what she's done.
00:39:04
And then you see the change into who he has become Once she it's
00:39:09
like almost like she once she says you are just like your
00:39:12
mother. It's like that was the key that
00:39:15
unlocked who he really was. And his whole face changed.
00:39:18
The I mean, he doesn't even look the same.
00:39:21
Like his features looked more mature.
00:39:24
They got darker. And it was just like, oh, OK, so
00:39:28
now we're about to get the real show.
00:39:31
That's how I felt watching. It and I feel again.
00:39:35
Up through that, I was just kind of like.
00:39:37
And I feel like that was there from the beginning because to be
00:39:42
honest with you, let's honestly say, will we be interested if it
00:39:45
really was Act of the Sun? I would be.
00:39:48
I would be because I I want to know what I.
00:39:50
Would actually still be interested, you know.
00:39:52
Especially because which one's more interesting?
00:39:55
The parallel with with her and the dark of the dark cold and
00:40:00
then we see Wanda like it. It's an interesting comparison.
00:40:06
If we believe what they're saying in the 1st 5 episodes
00:40:09
about Agatha, Wagatha gave up her child or sacrifice her child
00:40:15
in order to get the dark hold in his powers.
00:40:18
Wanda is using the dark hold in his powers to try to get back
00:40:22
her children. So I think that I think that
00:40:25
that in a sense is a very interesting.
00:40:29
Contrast And so I want to know the story about Agatha and her
00:40:33
son more than I want to know any of this other stuff that they've
00:40:37
shown us in the 1st 5 episodes. And what makes it even deeper is
00:40:42
the how it's related to her mother and what her mother did
00:40:46
to her. And then you have what her
00:40:49
mother was doing to her, and then when she turned around and
00:40:52
did to her son, that to me is a. Right.
00:40:56
And I don't, I don't that's what she did.
00:40:59
Is is very was a very compelling story.
00:41:01
It is a compelling story, but it's even more compelling to
00:41:04
have team there because then you grifle with what if I made
00:41:10
different changes to still have my son here and all that Wanda
00:41:13
did to get her son to be actualized.
00:41:17
So you heard going back and forth.
00:41:19
So it is actually a little bit more complex with having this
00:41:22
boy here who is not your son and trying to come to the fact that,
00:41:27
yeah, I'm 350 years old, what could I have done differently?
00:41:31
And I'm still dealing with, I'm still dealing with mom trauma.
00:41:35
So honestly being under Wanda spell and everything that
00:41:39
happened with three years, that is a a a dime in a bucket
00:41:44
compared to all the things that she has dealt with over the last
00:41:48
350 years. And I think if they focused on
00:41:51
the story more for that, I would be more into it.
00:41:55
But I, I understand the need for her to have a coven.
00:42:00
I understand that. But you're bringing in these
00:42:03
other characters who we're only getting a part of the story as
00:42:08
far as what they contribute and why they are there and then
00:42:13
they're killed off. So it's kind of like you're OK.
00:42:17
I'm a, I'm a compared like this Michelle to The Walking Dead.
00:42:21
You give us these characters that are interesting and that
00:42:24
could have more to contribute to the story, but before they even
00:42:27
get like a foot good on the ground, you're yanking them away
00:42:31
from us. And I feel like if that's what
00:42:33
you're going to do, you could have done more with their story
00:42:39
or you could give us more on the Agatha story.
00:42:42
Like I know they have Rio in there to kind of tie her past to
00:42:46
her present. But again, I just kind of feel
00:42:50
like it's just, I almost feel like they're just trying to
00:42:54
check the, oh, let's have a get. Let's have a gay or lesbian
00:42:57
character box because you're giving us the the implications
00:43:03
that they were once a couple, but you never really see it go
00:43:07
past a certain a certain point. And it's just like, does this
00:43:12
have anything to do with the story?
00:43:14
I don't have a problem with them having gay characters.
00:43:17
We've said this a bunch of times, but make it feel natural.
00:43:21
Don't make it feel forced. And for me, it kinds it.
00:43:24
It kind of feels forced. Like what is the whole purpose
00:43:28
of that relationship and how does it relate to the story?
00:43:31
Unless Rio had something to do with her son's whatever she did
00:43:36
with her son, which she hinted at.
00:43:39
I'm. Tired of the hints.
00:43:41
Give me the story and I yes, I realized what Mike said.
00:43:45
We do still have four more episodes.
00:43:48
Maybe things will get better then.
00:43:49
But one of the things we've always talked about, especially
00:43:53
Anthony and I, when we were on Sci-fi Party Line and there were
00:43:56
certain shows that we were like, we don't know if we want to
00:43:59
watch this. You got to give the shows at
00:44:01
least 4 episodes to kind of set the pace, set the characters,
00:44:06
set the foundation of what we're going, you know, what of the
00:44:09
journey that we're going to be on.
00:44:11
And then it usually starts getting better.
00:44:13
The fact that it was almost the end of the fifth episode and I
00:44:16
was just still like, do I even want to finish this season?
00:44:19
That's disappointing for me as a Marvel fan, as an MCU fan, ask
00:44:24
somebody who is one of the biggest proponents of oh, I like
00:44:28
when these stories tie into each other.
00:44:32
I like seeing how the story flows.
00:44:36
I'm just not really getting that with this show, except for the
00:44:39
parts when she has to deal with Teen.
00:44:42
And I'm just to the point where I'm like, just make it a Agatha
00:44:45
and Teen show and give us the story from there.
00:44:47
I really don't need all the other stuff.
00:44:52
I understand the importance of The Witch's Road is going to
00:44:55
give them what they want, but now Sharon is dead, Alice is
00:45:00
dead, Jen is dead, and Patty. 'S Lila Lila.
00:45:06
Yes, yeah. And and I and I agree.
00:45:10
I agree with that part. I that that is the only problem
00:45:14
I do have with it. I totally agree with that 'cause
00:45:17
I, I, and that's what I'm thinking.
00:45:21
So I totally agree with that, 'cause, you know, I hate that on
00:45:23
The Walking Dead when they do that.
00:45:25
So this is, this is the part that I do have a negative on.
00:45:29
Because you did have us kind of invest in it and each episode
00:45:32
was clearly about them and their past and rediscovering
00:45:37
themselves for them to die the next episode.
00:45:41
I did. I'm just hopeful that maybe
00:45:43
towards the end we get a you have to make a decision and
00:45:48
they're in a holding place because this is just the richest
00:45:50
road and this is just a let's see what you do type of thing.
00:45:55
And they're they're not really they.
00:45:57
It's another. Trial.
00:45:59
Yeah, I'm hoping so. I'm, I'm just, I really hope if
00:46:03
it is not and we had the, we're talking about this and the next
00:46:07
time we talk about it and they clearly are very, very dead,
00:46:11
then I will be on your side because I totally agree to that.
00:46:17
So I want to, I want to go back to something Michelle said.
00:46:21
Like I totally see what you mean by it being a compelling story
00:46:27
if it is in fact if if he him being Wanda's son.
00:46:32
But for me to be really invested in the character of Agatha,
00:46:38
Wanda is dead. Wanda's story, as far as we
00:46:42
know, has. Ended.
00:46:43
I hope not. So they they don't, they don't
00:46:47
have. To, but I mean they don't know
00:46:48
I. Mean well, she.
00:46:49
Was in. Well, for for the purpose.
00:46:53
She got a facelift, OK. And somebody else, for the
00:46:58
purposes of the current story, Wanda is dead.
00:47:01
Like they, they made a claim in in the first episode that that's
00:47:07
one, Wanda's dead, right? She's gone.
00:47:10
And something else, I think, I don't know if it was Hanukkah
00:47:16
setting up things for the future.
00:47:18
We know they're going to do Young Avengers, and here's a way
00:47:22
to introduce Wiccan so they can have him for Young Avengers, but
00:47:27
they don't want to put the work in in building that character up
00:47:32
in Young Avengers. So they're taking all these
00:47:34
shortcuts and introducing all these characters and other
00:47:38
shows, creating storylines for them for them to be in another
00:47:42
property. So, you know, Hanukkah, I
00:47:45
laughed when you talked about all these things being connected
00:47:48
and we all got excited about this, all these shows, movies.
00:47:53
I was, I don't think I was one excited for that because I'm a
00:47:57
proponent that the TV shows, they were, they were going to
00:48:01
try. And you know what?
00:48:03
They fucked up because they did exactly what everybody wanted
00:48:07
them to do. The movies and TV shows are all
00:48:11
intertwined and related. And now we got this big mess.
00:48:15
You know, we got this big mess because they didn't keep the
00:48:17
wall, they didn't keep the movies separate from the TV
00:48:21
shows. They didn't do the TV shows like
00:48:23
one shots like the comic books do before the movie comes out.
00:48:27
They do a one shot issue or three series limited issue
00:48:32
before the movie comes out. That's what the TV show should
00:48:35
have been. But now they've interwoven it
00:48:37
all and that was like 1 big mess and they got a lot of crap all
00:48:41
over the place because the number of people involved is
00:48:45
astronomical. Yeah.
00:48:47
That's the problem, and it's terrible and it's a problem
00:48:50
because they got away from it. They got away from this idea
00:48:53
that we're just going to fill in the gaps.
00:48:57
You know, they went from filling in the gaps to actually creating
00:49:02
structure and trying to connect everything and trying to.
00:49:06
We got to spend so much time setting up things for the future
00:49:09
and setting up things for the movies, setting up things for
00:49:13
this and setting up things for other TV shows that you lose
00:49:16
track of focusing on the show in front of you, focusing on the
00:49:21
characters in front of you. So yes, I thought it would have
00:49:25
been more compelling if her son came back, the son that she
00:49:31
sacrificed to get the dark cold. Now that the dark cold is gone,
00:49:35
anything related to dark cold, it's kind of been released and
00:49:39
he's come back and he wants his revenge and she has to deal with
00:49:44
that. Could be next season.
00:49:45
I thought that would have been that could be next season, but
00:49:51
but what you that's not what you gave us is the introduction of a
00:49:56
character that's going to be young Avengers that that's what
00:49:59
you gave us. And, and and you sacrifice a lot
00:50:03
of what you could have invested in the character of Agatha
00:50:06
Harkness, which maybe a lot of us were excited about the show,
00:50:10
about her. And we've got, you know, would
00:50:13
have liked to have known more about her and maybe building a
00:50:17
covenant again and trying to discover, figure out how to get
00:50:20
her power. She's the only known witch that
00:50:22
survived the witch's rogue. Let's let's explore that.
00:50:25
But. We are.
00:50:27
We still have more episodes. It seemed like, it sounds like
00:50:31
to me, it seemed like she must be lying because she seemed to
00:50:35
not really know what the fuck is going on.
00:50:37
So you know what I mean. Or, or she's literally setting
00:50:42
all these witches up because she wanted to steal their powers.
00:50:44
So is this a power play for her? There's so many things that they
00:50:49
could have done just to focus on her, but they wanted to invest
00:50:53
some time in this other character who could be her son,
00:50:57
who might be Wanda's son. And everybody kind of knows it's
00:51:01
Billy Maximoff that's weekend, because we all know he's going
00:51:05
to be Young Avengers. We don't all know.
00:51:08
That that's not. Oh, come on.
00:51:11
OK, Yeah. No, we don't all know that.
00:51:16
If you listen to this show, you know you do.
00:51:18
Now, but you wouldn't, I mean, to be completely honest, because
00:51:21
you know, I don't. I focus on one thing at a time.
00:51:25
So if I didn't, you just told me something that I didn't know.
00:51:28
So not everyone knows that. Oh, come on, We talked about it
00:51:31
because we talked about. Yeah, we talked about him, but
00:51:38
I'm just saying like, yeah, but knowing now, I didn't know.
00:51:45
I didn't know he was. So to me, I'm thinking that
00:51:49
we're focusing on him. You're giving them credit that
00:51:51
they're doing this set up Young Avengers, but I'm thinking their
00:51:54
continuous story that we actually was interested in how
00:51:57
we really felt horrible about Wanda after Doctor Strange and
00:52:02
what happened to her. And like we always say, if you
00:52:04
don't see a body, no one is completely dead.
00:52:08
I need to see a body before I say Wanda is dead.
00:52:11
Yeah, and I, I agree because my, my thing is one thing that we've
00:52:16
always learned about magic and witches and spells, usually the
00:52:21
witch that cast the spell, if they die, the spell goes away.
00:52:26
Agatha had to fight her way out of that spell, and she had help
00:52:30
to do it. So that in and of itself does
00:52:35
not, does not make me think that Wanda is dead.
00:52:38
And I mean, I've even said that after Doctor Strange Multiverse
00:52:44
of Madness, you know, when we see the the, when we see The
00:52:48
Cave and the the Cliff collapse, you see that red light in there?
00:52:54
I don't think she's dead, but. Of course, here's here's a deep
00:52:58
pet. Chaos magic works a little
00:53:01
different different than all the other types of magic.
00:53:05
Chaos magic is a bit more persistent and a bit more
00:53:08
powerful. Just I mean, I know they don't
00:53:11
follow the comic books strictly, but Wanda, the type of magic
00:53:16
Wanda does, alternative probabilities and stuff makes it
00:53:22
really difficult for for you for because we haven't, I don't
00:53:28
think we've had her die in the comic books, so we really
00:53:31
wouldn't know. But the other people that have
00:53:34
done chaos magic and their spells persist.
00:53:37
So yeah, the chaos magic is a little different.
00:53:41
But you are right about most other forms of magic.
00:53:44
When the witch dies or Castor dies, the spell goes away.
00:53:48
Same thing with Doctor Strange, you know all the sorcerer
00:53:52
screams the same thing. But chaos magic is a little
00:53:55
weird and a little different. OK, OK, real quick.
00:54:00
I don't, I don't know, Michelle, I don't know if you you, you
00:54:02
were listening to us like way back in one division.
00:54:05
But when Billy and when Billy and Tommy first appeared, I
00:54:08
think we probably touched on they're probably going to try to
00:54:10
make them Young Avengers in some way or shape or form.
00:54:14
So I mean. Yeah, we talked about it quite a
00:54:16
bit, especially because of of Lori's comic book background.
00:54:21
Like she she went into a deep dive for us about those
00:54:25
characters. So yeah.
00:54:26
Also AD nauseam, I bring this up every time we talk about it.
00:54:32
You took me or start arguing about Marvel shows.
00:54:36
I said it when they first started the multiverse saga.
00:54:40
If they do this wrong, it's going to be chaos is I?
00:54:44
I literally said I was like, you gotta do this right.
00:54:46
They'll do this right. It's going to be fucked and
00:54:49
there are certain parts of it that are fucked and I can't deny
00:54:52
that. Even the the apologist that I
00:54:54
am, I admit that there's some things that could have been way
00:54:59
better than they were, and that's I mean it.
00:55:01
Also, it affects the way things are moving forward because you,
00:55:05
you started setting up storylines and characters and
00:55:09
story arcs to go into future projects.
00:55:12
And then you cancel those future projects.
00:55:15
And then now you've kind of got, you know, this stuff over here
00:55:19
in limbo trying to figure out what you're going to do with it.
00:55:22
Like, they had to revamp the whole Kang thing when Jonathan
00:55:26
Majors got in trouble instead of waiting.
00:55:28
You know, I think that's one of those things where because of
00:55:33
the circumstances of what was going on with him, that was not
00:55:36
like a clear cut of, oh, he did this, you absolutely need to get
00:55:41
rid of him. There were other circumstances.
00:55:44
And at some point he was also the victim.
00:55:46
I think that they really should have kind of waited to see what
00:55:50
was going on before they made any other major moves.
00:55:54
But because they didn't, now they've had to revamp and and do
00:55:58
some other stuff. And now you got, you know,
00:56:01
Robert Downey Junior coming back as Doctor Doom for fantastic.
00:56:05
It's it's just. Yeah.
00:56:07
There's. So much.
00:56:09
Correcting that they have to go back and do now because they're
00:56:13
not they're they're straying from the sacred timeline like,
00:56:18
so to speak, you're, you're doing all of this other stuff.
00:56:22
And now it's like, like Michelle said, chaos that I mean, and we
00:56:25
have used that word before when talking about some of these pro
00:56:29
projects. It's chaos.
00:56:31
It is chaos and as far as as far as like, I'm sorry.
00:56:37
Go ahead. So as far as far as like which,
00:56:41
which storyline would be more interesting between Nick and
00:56:44
Billy, I think they both have their, in my opinion, out in my
00:56:49
opinion, they both have their pluses, their big pluses.
00:56:52
I think that if it would have been Nick, I and I, I was like I
00:56:56
was I was always no, no more than 2530% sure thinking that it
00:57:01
could have been. I mean, they could have went
00:57:03
straight from Nick to Mephisto and confirm Mephisto.
00:57:07
Well, I mean, they did mention him.
00:57:10
Yeah, they, they are, they have mentioned him.
00:57:12
So he is, he is coming. I mean, we we've done, he's
00:57:14
coming in Iron Heart for a while.
00:57:17
But they could have taken this and introduced him in this show
00:57:22
and this Sacha Baron Cohen come on and show and show what he's
00:57:25
going to do with it. But I mean, and just like we've,
00:57:28
we've already said ad nauseam about, you know, Wiccan being in
00:57:32
Young Avengers. And I will I will literally be
00:57:37
so psyched if at the end of it and if we can still doing
00:57:42
something walking down the road and miss Marvel pulls up next to
00:57:45
him in the in that in that Porsche and says, get in loser.
00:57:48
We're going to be Avengers. And it's like, I'm I'm sorry,
00:57:52
I'm a nerd. I want, I want to see that.
00:57:54
I have a question regarding the the characters because OK, since
00:57:58
we did get the reveal at the end of episode 5 that this is Billy
00:58:02
Maximoff. OK, so now the question is going
00:58:05
to come in how what happened and where's his brother?
00:58:12
So my question that's. Going to be interesting.
00:58:14
My question is, is Tommy a part of the Young Avengers as well or
00:58:19
do we even see Tommy from this point on in the comics?
00:58:24
Yeah, they both are. OK, so there is a possibility we
00:58:27
may see Tommy? Yeah, Tommy's a speech, Sir.
00:58:30
So he says he's like the flash of the young Young Avengers.
00:58:32
So yes, he will. You will see him eventually.
00:58:36
I just wondered because I was like they with with the reveal
00:58:40
that this is Billy. It's just strange because
00:58:43
they're twins, one and then two. The last time we see both of
00:58:49
them is when Wanda is getting rid of the hex and she knows
00:58:54
that she's got to let her children go.
00:58:56
But it's so interesting because, and again, this is the part of
00:59:01
the story that would make sense to me and that would get me a
00:59:04
little bit more interested. So if this is Billy Maximoff,
00:59:11
right? And this is three years since
00:59:13
Westview. So he's been out there for three
00:59:15
years. So this goes back to Wanda ain't
00:59:18
fully crazy. Wanda knows.
00:59:20
She has been saying her children are out there.
00:59:24
We have the proof right here now that Billy is.
00:59:27
So that means Tommy's out there somewhere.
00:59:29
So what are the bigger implications for that?
00:59:32
And it's like. I don't think, I don't think
00:59:35
they thought it through. I don't think they fit that
00:59:39
much. I don't think they were talking.
00:59:41
I don't think either group was talking to each other about what
00:59:45
the other was going to do. Because you raised, you raised
00:59:50
an interesting point. Because we have bad Wanda
00:59:54
looking for their children and apparently they were actually
00:59:59
around in some form. Yeah, you know, but you know,
01:00:05
dark hole corruption, etcetera, etcetera, blah, blah, blah,
01:00:08
blah, blah. But you know, they whatever is
01:00:13
it it it, it goes back to this idea that it's all over the
01:00:18
place. Like they're all over the place.
01:00:21
It's just. Pure chaos.
01:00:23
And yeah, they are trying to do Young Avengers.
01:00:25
We have seven members, you know, of Young Avengers already
01:00:31
introduced, you know, and. And they're and they're talking
01:00:35
about doing a show about white vision.
01:00:39
So you know that's going to tie into.
01:00:41
Yeah, Vision Quest, they're already doing that one, Yeah.
01:00:43
They're doing Vision quest, so it's kind of like if you're, if
01:00:47
you're going back to the story, if you're going back to the
01:00:49
Wanda stuff. OK, fine.
01:00:53
With this show, the show that we are supposed to be discussing,
01:00:57
how does Agatha tie into all of that?
01:01:00
And again, if you were focusing more on her story, her past,
01:01:05
instead of just doing it a bit here, a bit there, and you're
01:01:09
interspersing all of this other stuff with, you know, the whole
01:01:13
mystery behind Alice's mother disappearing or dying and, you
01:01:17
know, her being the singer of the The Ballad of the Witch's
01:01:22
Road. And all the sudden, like,
01:01:24
there's so much of that that I was really getting interested in
01:01:28
that part of the story because I was like, oh, y'all giving us
01:01:30
all the tea on this. And then you kill Alice and it's
01:01:34
just kind of like, yeah, why would I want to get why would I
01:01:38
want to get invested in these characters if the characters are
01:01:41
not going to be there? I mean, Michelle and I, we talk
01:01:44
about this on The Walking Dead all the time with The Walking
01:01:46
Dead spin offs. Because you introduce us to
01:01:49
these characters. They're very likable and they
01:01:52
don't last more than an episode or two.
01:01:54
And it's just. Kind of like.
01:01:56
Yeah, I'm also, I was upset about, I was upset about them
01:01:59
giving Get real, like doing Alice like that too.
01:02:02
I was like, Oh my God. As soon as she hit Agatha with
01:02:05
the magic to get the ghost out of her, I was like, Oh God,
01:02:08
you're not. And then sure enough, I was like
01:02:11
son of a bitch because I I actually really liked her
01:02:15
character. I think her character, like you
01:02:17
said, her character's back story was way more fleshed out.
01:02:20
Like she had a lot more redemption going on with her and
01:02:24
she actually was on the path to becoming to being like, you
01:02:29
know, to like, you know, finishing her story and be and,
01:02:33
you know, getting what she was at after.
01:02:36
But I just I was, that's why that's that's the one part that
01:02:40
got me. I was just like, I don't know
01:02:41
unless they're going to bring her back.
01:02:42
I hope they do, but I'm not, I'm not holding.
01:02:45
I hope that they do. It's just like.
01:02:47
They probably will. That's probably going to be part
01:02:49
of Agatha's redemption story. She's going to bring all the
01:02:51
witches back that she. I don't think they're redeeming
01:02:54
her. I don't, I'm not, I'm I'm I'm
01:02:56
putting a perfect theory. I don't think they're going to
01:02:59
give Agatha anything redeeming. And I think they're going to
01:03:02
just let I think I think they're going to let tape put her back
01:03:06
to the way she was. And because you seemed like
01:03:11
she's proud to be a witch and she's proud of the witch that
01:03:14
she is. So I don't it's going to take a
01:03:17
lot to make her not be that witch that the witch that she
01:03:22
is. And I don't think they can get
01:03:24
into that. She's going to get that kind of
01:03:27
Arc in this in this series. I think that she's just going to
01:03:32
be even if they, even if they do, I just, I don't see her
01:03:40
change. I, I, I just, I don't know.
01:03:42
I just don't say I don't, I don't see her changing that
01:03:44
much. I like in in that way.
01:03:46
I don't need her. I don't and I don't feel like
01:03:49
she has to have one. I don't see.
01:03:51
So yeah, I don't need her. I don't.
01:03:53
I do believe that many of the things said about her, I think
01:04:00
it's misunderstood. And I think she just goes with
01:04:03
it and say, you know what? That's what you want to think.
01:04:04
That's what you want to think. And I think that's made her who
01:04:07
she is and she's unapologetic. And I don't want her to be
01:04:10
apologetic for the choices that she made.
01:04:13
Like she didn't kill those witches.
01:04:16
They literally was throwing the power to kill her.
01:04:18
She just, that's her power, taking their power.
01:04:21
Well, you know what, if y'all want to believe that I did that
01:04:24
purposely, y'all go for it. But I'm not going to sit here
01:04:26
and apologize for anything. And you don't know why I made my
01:04:30
choices. So that's why I feel like we got
01:04:32
to have some characters that are not always got to be redeemed at
01:04:36
the end. Because honestly, she didn't
01:04:38
really do anything horrible. I I absolutely agree because
01:04:43
it's like, what are you expected to do when your own mother and
01:04:47
her coven trying to burn you at the state for for being what
01:04:53
what you were born for being what you were created?
01:04:56
And that can go into a whole different type of moral
01:04:59
discussion. But.
01:05:01
Yeah, she she's basically the Jessica Rabbit of her covens.
01:05:04
Like she's not a bad witch, she's just drawn that way.
01:05:09
I mean, she's just for her to be.
01:05:13
I don't have AI don't have a problem with with her because
01:05:18
like Michelle said, she is the way she is because that's that's
01:05:22
what happened to her. And the way her powers work.
01:05:27
All the witches are scared of her because she killed her whole
01:05:30
Kevin, right? So she's like, if you see her
01:05:34
and you're a witch and you, Oh my God, she's going to kill me
01:05:37
and you shoot her with your powers, she's going to absorb it
01:05:40
all. But yeah, because you're trying
01:05:43
to kill her. But how many times do you think
01:05:45
that has happened to her where she's just minding her own
01:05:48
business being a witch, and the witch decides I got to take out
01:05:52
Agatha or she's going to kill me.
01:05:54
So I'm probably a lot of witches died thinking they were having
01:05:58
to defend themselves. And she's really probably just
01:06:02
doing what she does. You know, she can't.
01:06:05
And and it seems like, like Michelle said, she has accepted
01:06:08
who she is. You know, she's not
01:06:10
intentionally trying to kill witches.
01:06:13
Her whole thing with Wanda, I really don't understand what she
01:06:15
was. I got to watch Wanda Vision
01:06:17
again to see what she was trying to do.
01:06:20
You know, I think, oh, she was trying to get her to become the
01:06:22
Scarlet Witch so she could steal her powers is what she was with
01:06:26
what her end game was, right? And and I wonder that that made
01:06:34
it she became that way because of being ridiculed and being
01:06:41
hunted by all the other witches or having to defend herself her.
01:06:46
Son, she was probably like, fuck it, I I don't, I don't have
01:06:51
anything else. Like her son may have been the
01:06:54
one thing that kept her from being that witch And then with
01:07:01
whatever happened to him, because again, we don't know for
01:07:04
sure what happened to her son. We know that he may have been
01:07:09
sacrificed or whatever. We also know Rio may have had
01:07:13
something to do with it. But aside from that, we don't
01:07:15
know nothing. So if her son was taken from her
01:07:18
or she accidentally killed her son, or she purposefully killed
01:07:22
her son to get the dark cold or whatever the case may be, after
01:07:26
that, she's probably like, yeah, fuck it, OK, I'm just going to
01:07:29
burn the world down. And I can't say, you know, that
01:07:33
I that I blame her, especially if she's being hunted in the way
01:07:38
that we saw in her flashback in one division.
01:07:42
I have a theory, I just can't see the look on my face.
01:07:46
I mean someone. In the House has the theory
01:07:48
that's. Awesome, I love this theory.
01:07:50
OK, So what is? Down Michelle had a.
01:07:55
Theory So what if she was trying to steal Wanda's power?
01:08:00
Make her Scarlet Witch to steal her power to become the most
01:08:03
powerful witch in order to buy back her son from the exchange
01:08:09
of something that happened with Rio dealing with the stronghold.
01:08:14
I. Actually, she's trying to go
01:08:16
into battle. That's possible.
01:08:20
Yeah. That's.
01:08:22
The very sound theory. Who would be holding her?
01:08:25
Her son, Miss Yes. Miss Sister, that's who she
01:08:28
would be able to deal with. But she didn't.
01:08:31
Make the deal. Maybe she made the deal, but he
01:08:35
tricked her in the deal that she made that end up taking her son
01:08:39
and now she's going back. And Rio 100% had something to do
01:08:43
with that. I I believe that and she knows
01:08:46
how he how she can get him back too.
01:08:50
And it's going to come. It's going to come to fruition
01:08:52
towards the end. I think that's going to be one
01:08:54
of the things either she's going to try to trick her into going
01:08:57
to get him and getting being trapped in the underworld, or
01:09:01
this is something where she says she can get it back but she
01:09:04
actually can't. So she's trying to trick her
01:09:05
into doing something because the whole thing is like she's trying
01:09:08
to get bodies. This will.
01:09:11
Make a great show. But you know what?
01:09:13
But that would make a great, great show because basically
01:09:16
she's Wanda. She's she's doing everything
01:09:19
Wanda did to get her child back. Yeah, but guess what?
01:09:23
She's going to make a different choice because guess what's
01:09:25
going to happen? She can't get that power from
01:09:28
Wanda anymore because Wanda is currently in a Wanda bubble
01:09:32
underneath some rubble until it's time for her to get out.
01:09:35
So. Wanda's dead.
01:09:37
OK. And then she's in.
01:09:39
Rubble Wanda's not dead. She's in rubble, so it's going
01:09:42
to become a choice where she may have to take the power from
01:09:48
Billy. And then though, I'll hold.
01:09:53
On, hold on. If Wanda is not dead and they
01:09:57
bring Wanda back and they recast her, I'm going to have a whole
01:10:00
lot to say about why. Not.
01:10:03
Recasting. Her.
01:10:04
They're bringing her back, but she's not.
01:10:05
They're not recasting. Why would they?
01:10:06
Recast. Why can't she be recasted?
01:10:08
No. They're not.
01:10:10
They'll have a reason to recast her.
01:10:12
To have a whole lot to say. Because if the actress is not
01:10:17
coming back and we still need Wanda, we.
01:10:20
Have already said that she would be down to reprise Wanda if they
01:10:23
asked her so I'm OK. So Anthony, on this one.
01:10:26
OK. So they're not going to recast
01:10:28
if there was. A If there was a feasible reason
01:10:31
for them to recast her, I would be like, OK, yeah, but you know.
01:10:36
I see, I thought she said she was done.
01:10:38
So since she's not done, they're not going to recast her.
01:10:41
So so let me let me translate. If he's dead and she's not dead,
01:10:47
not dead because we didn't see a body.
01:10:50
Because I don't remember seeing Tatala's body either.
01:10:54
And is. Something totally different.
01:10:57
We can't even use that as an example.
01:10:59
I'm sorry, Cut the tapes, cut the tapes.
01:11:03
We can't use that. Else gives their character back.
01:11:06
But you can't. That was a totally.
01:11:09
I feel the same way that I get it, but we can't use that as an
01:11:14
example. So either Marvel kills their
01:11:17
characters, often they don't come back, or they kill them off
01:11:21
and bring them back when they want to, when it's convenient
01:11:23
for their story and for them. OK, I see how that works.
01:11:27
OK, yeah, they do that all the. Time.
01:11:29
Yeah, that's every show. We do that all the time.
01:11:31
Yeah, that's everything we watch.
01:11:33
Doom, Walking Dead. I mean hello.
01:11:38
Yeah, but. It's not just marvelous, it's
01:11:39
everything. Every fictional show does that
01:11:41
be convenient. Convenience is a motherfucker,
01:11:44
and I agree with you. It it would be.
01:11:46
I mean, there's certain things that would be fucked up, but
01:11:48
it's. But I will say this too.
01:11:50
Again, they brought back Kingpin.
01:11:52
He got shot in the fucking face. Yes, but I will say this too
01:11:56
with going back to what Michelle said.
01:11:59
So you were like, yes, well, you know, she said she was done.
01:12:04
So you have to really pay attention to the way that those
01:12:08
actors are saying those particular things because I
01:12:13
don't think they're saying that they are done in the MCU when
01:12:17
they are saying that they are done.
01:12:19
I think they're saying that certain things are done or
01:12:23
certain storylines are done. But I think it's I think all of
01:12:26
them are open-ended still. I mean, think about it, RDJ was
01:12:30
one of the 1st very adamant ones that he was done in the Marvel
01:12:34
Cinematic Universe and we see he's coming back there.
01:12:38
We we saw we saw Thor in Deadpool and Wolverine, even
01:12:43
though we know that. Chris Evans in Deadpool and
01:12:46
Wolverine. Well, yeah, but he wasn't capped
01:12:48
so. So there's a difference.
01:12:50
But but, but I see what you know.
01:12:54
Everything is a negotiation. The the only person I know for a
01:12:58
fact, well, I'm not going to say I know for a fact.
01:13:00
The only person most unlikely to come back and Scarlett
01:13:03
Johansson, because she's suing them for.
01:13:06
No, they settled that. She's working with.
01:13:08
She's working with the. Yeah, she's getting.
01:13:11
Paid. They settled that within like
01:13:14
two months. But is she going to come back
01:13:16
and she's. Getting like executive producer,
01:13:19
she gets executive producer credits and everything like
01:13:21
she's there you. Go she will.
01:13:23
She will come back. She will.
01:13:25
Come back because she wasn't mistreated see it's that's
01:13:28
different than Wonder Woman. She was mis and sued.
01:13:32
She's never going to be Wonder Woman again, but.
01:13:35
Scott the only person that's not coming back is chat with Bozeman
01:13:38
so. Yeah.
01:13:40
And that's because that's, yeah, that's life.
01:13:42
Other than that, it's it's an open thing.
01:13:46
And I mean, people say what they want to about these Marvel
01:13:49
films. You know, you have all of these
01:13:51
quote UN quote esteemed actors and directors and producers and
01:13:56
all of this stuff saying all this negative stuff about, you
01:14:00
know, the Marvel movies and, and what they do.
01:14:03
But let's let's go, let's speak facts, OK, Marvel films.
01:14:11
Hey, a shit ton of money, you know what I'm saying?
01:14:15
You can do 1 Marvel film and probably retire.
01:14:19
So you really think that any of those actors are going to close
01:14:24
the door and be like, no, I would never play this character
01:14:26
again? Absolutely not.
01:14:28
The only person with the close door is Terrence Howard, 'cause
01:14:32
he missed, he missed out. And I don't even know.
01:14:36
And I I've never gotten the full story about that because I've
01:14:40
heard that that wasn't his choice.
01:14:42
So he's eating. No Maine, It's RDJ Maine.
01:14:48
Is RDJRDJ screwed me Maine? So.
01:14:51
You like me, Maine? I'm just saying.
01:14:54
Everything is good. I wish.
01:14:56
They never, we, we could always see Wanda, especially if
01:15:01
they're, they're doing a Vision show.
01:15:04
Paul Bettany is coming back for that.
01:15:07
So you really think Elizabeth Olsen is about to be like, oh,
01:15:11
hold up. So y'all coming back, getting
01:15:15
this check and playing these characters that you that you
01:15:18
originated give me my Scarlet Witch.
01:15:20
Especially because she loves that character so much.
01:15:23
Like she is one of the she is one of those actors who did her
01:15:28
research about Wanda Maximoff in the comics.
01:15:32
So she knows the whole story. She knows the whole art.
01:15:35
She's talked about wanting to do House of M so yeah, I'm not
01:15:41
counting her out. She may show up at the end of
01:15:44
this, like, Oh yeah, you thought I was dead.
01:15:46
What's up, bitch? You never know.
01:15:52
You never know. She's looking for her child.
01:15:54
Her child is right there. She can come back.
01:15:58
She's going to, she's going to show up.
01:16:00
He's he's going to try to bring Tommy back and bring her back.
01:16:03
That's probably what's going to happen.
01:16:05
You know what? What are the two?
01:16:07
Either one or the two or both? He's going to.
01:16:09
Try. He's going to go looking for
01:16:10
Tommy. Yeah, I'm or he's going to find
01:16:14
Tommy and they're both going to go look for her.
01:16:16
So is he? Either way, it's going to happen
01:16:18
either way. That's a great theory, Anthony.
01:16:20
I appreciate that. Good.
01:16:21
Looking that's not a theory, That's that's that's that's the
01:16:25
realization that everything is a negotiation.
01:16:30
Yeah. All right, OK.
01:16:32
All right. Jesse Jackson.
01:16:33
It's the realization of the negotiation, of the
01:16:37
proclamation, of the situation. Jesse Jackson or TI?
01:16:42
Which one? No, no, see, I, I it's not the
01:16:46
proclivitation. I didn't say that.
01:16:48
But OK, so now that we've gotten all of our points out the way,
01:16:52
let's let's talk about some good things about the show because
01:16:55
I'm not, I'm not saying I hate the show.
01:16:57
I'm just saying it just hasn't caught me like the rest of the
01:17:00
shows did or like the earlier shows did.
01:17:03
But there are some good things about it.
01:17:05
Like you said, Mike, the the the beat drop at the end of episode
01:17:11
5. I was here for it because I love
01:17:13
that song anyway. I love that song too.
01:17:16
I've been on two different playlists.
01:17:17
I love that fucking. Song So that was good.
01:17:20
Like I said, when once Agatha started realizing that she was
01:17:26
in a spell and she starts taking off these layers of the person
01:17:31
that she was, that was cool because I love seeing them have
01:17:35
her in this. She was in the morgue, and of
01:17:39
course the morgue is in color, but they have her in the black
01:17:42
and white. I love it.
01:17:43
When they do stuff like that. Because it looks so cool.
01:17:47
And also that iteration of her character I liked a little bit
01:17:51
more. Because again, we're just
01:17:54
looking at this Agnes character like she's the neighbor, she's
01:17:59
Wanda's friend, She might be one of the ones that's also
01:18:03
brainwashed. Then when you get the reveal,
01:18:06
the whole Agatha all along with the song, it was like mind blow.
01:18:13
That's the Agatha that I want. And I feel like that's not the
01:18:17
Agatha I'm getting in the show. You know what I'm saying?
01:18:20
You see her come out just a little bit, but that's not what
01:18:25
we're getting. I think that's the main thing
01:18:27
that kind of is bothering me about this show because the
01:18:31
character doesn't seem to match what I remember her being.
01:18:35
Like I said, I feel like she's she's overdoing the sass.
01:18:40
She's overdoing the the kind of the arrogance that she has about
01:18:45
being the most powerful witch or being the only witch that's
01:18:48
completed the the witch's road and all this this other stuff.
01:18:52
Maybe if she takes it down just a little bit it won't seem to.
01:18:57
But but I think, I think that I think that she kind of she kind
01:19:01
of she's doing that just to kind, she is overcompensating,
01:19:04
but she's doing that because she's been she's been handcuffed
01:19:07
for three years. It's like she's she could
01:19:09
because she because she's been under a spell for three years.
01:19:12
And she's just like, think about it when she.
01:19:14
Came out talking about, I'm not talking about Agatha as the
01:19:17
character, I'm talking about Catherine as the actress.
01:19:21
Because the way she's playing it, it makes it to me.
01:19:25
It makes it very obvious that she's an actor playing a role as
01:19:29
opposed to her being this character.
01:19:32
You get what I'm saying? Like some people when they when
01:19:34
they do certain things or when they, it's just the way that
01:19:38
they are with the characters, you feel like that is that
01:19:41
character. You have to remind yourself, oh,
01:19:44
wait, they're playing a part. I can't, I don't feel that with
01:19:47
her. It's, it's like to me, it's very
01:19:49
obvious that she is an actor playing a role.
01:19:53
And I and I feel like that's kind of sort of what Agatha is
01:19:58
supposed to be doing as well. But it's still, it just feels
01:20:01
very off for me. It doesn't.
01:20:04
It just doesn't feel natural to me.
01:20:06
OK, and for me it does. Like I feel like she's crawling
01:20:10
through cobwebs right now. OK.
01:20:16
And I guess because I've seen Catherine so many different
01:20:19
things like it, it totally isn't even close to anything that she
01:20:24
has done. OK.
01:20:25
It just, it makes me, I guess because I also seen like adults
01:20:30
like that. It's almost like like when she
01:20:34
was in doing that, oh it's Agatha all along that was going
01:20:37
with how the shows was even though she had created that for
01:20:41
Wanda. But here this is essentially
01:20:44
her. But for me, I feel like she is
01:20:47
waking up, trying to fully wake up and also figure out what her
01:20:53
end game should be because right now Wanda was her end game.
01:20:57
Now it's OK, I'm trying to get my powers back, but there's
01:21:00
other components in play. And she knows it because she
01:21:03
still knows that she has to deal with the seven, which is
01:21:07
extremely creepy as hell. And Billy, the team like
01:21:15
figuring like figuring him out until she really until she can
01:21:19
figure out who he really is because she figured it out, you
01:21:21
know, then. So I just feel like it's that
01:21:25
just kind of gathering yourself back to who you are.
01:21:29
I I can get that if I if I look at it from.
01:21:32
There and you're a little bit all over.
01:21:33
You're a little bit all over the place, like you're, you know,
01:21:35
you're riding that bicycle after you hadn't ridden it for years.
01:21:39
OK of yourself right, right. OK, I can I can see that.
01:21:46
I can see that, but I just I I just I need the show to get
01:21:50
better for me. I mean, and like I said, it's
01:21:54
it's not that it's a bad show, but it's just like when I think
01:21:57
about some of the other shows and how for me, damn near
01:22:02
perfect they're they were Wanda vision being very first Falcon
01:22:07
in The Winter Soldier. Like a lot of people.
01:22:09
I don't know why more people don't like that show, but that
01:22:12
show I don't either with the characters with the chemistry
01:22:17
between the two leads, just with the the the subject matters that
01:22:22
they deal with like that. That is a top notch marvel show.
01:22:28
Miss Marvel, top notch Marvel show.
01:22:31
You know, Moonlight, which Oh my God, can y'all please tell us if
01:22:36
we get in the second season already because that was a.
01:22:39
It's like, it's like, it's like 6040 now.
01:22:43
It's like they keep saying they are, but see, it's like they're
01:22:46
trying to tie it. They're trying to tie a lot of
01:22:50
things into Midnight Suns, which they also said that they're
01:22:52
doing. So it's like they they again,
01:22:55
they're doing the same fucking thing.
01:22:57
They're trying to do too much at once and put a lot of things and
01:23:01
tie them in and do all this other stuff.
01:23:02
All they're going to do is end up, they would end up like tying
01:23:05
their fingers together and cutting off their circulation
01:23:07
and then they're not going to be able to do anything.
01:23:09
So it's like, just give me, just give me Moon Night season 2 so I
01:23:12
can so we can finally see Jake and do something.
01:23:15
They do Midnight Suns, they just did it as a video game.
01:23:21
Yeah, but but yeah, so I need them to go back to the narrow
01:23:31
focus because you're telling us stuff that's coming out 2026,
01:23:36
2020, 7/20/28. Right now we don't need to look
01:23:41
that far ahead because y'all shit keeps changing.
01:23:45
You've already had to change the Cane dynasty.
01:23:48
You're giving us all this other stuff.
01:23:51
Blade still ain't got off the ground.
01:23:53
So it's just kind of. Like it's only going to be 1
01:23:55
blade. So it's just like.
01:23:58
There's going to be no blade. It might not, but my my thing is
01:24:04
just kind of pull the focus in just a little bit.
01:24:07
Just like with the Infinity Saga, like you had all of these
01:24:11
properties or all of these films that kind of converge into this
01:24:15
one saga. OK, if you're going to do what
01:24:19
is it Secret Wars? Or if you're going to do what is
01:24:21
ARM Awards, just focus on something, get us to that point
01:24:26
and then start moving to the next thing.
01:24:28
Because at this point y'all got too many, y'all got too many
01:24:33
things in the frying pan. And it's just it's, it's
01:24:37
becoming a, a todurkan. It's, it's too much.
01:24:41
It's like all these. Things.
01:24:43
Mixed together. Now I'm hungry.
01:24:45
Well, you know, it is close to Thanksgiving, but, you know,
01:24:47
it's just all of these things that's just get.
01:24:50
Give us some focus, y'all. Y'all need some focus.
01:24:53
Y'all need some focus. Yeah.
01:24:56
If y'all are going to give us this Agatha story, we have four
01:24:59
more episodes. We need Agatha's story.
01:25:03
If it was Agatha all along, tell us how, tell us why I don't need
01:25:09
all of the extra stuff. It's just, yeah, especially,
01:25:14
especially if you going to kill off the extra stuff before we
01:25:16
get the full story. So yeah, I, that's, that's just
01:25:23
my two cents. I, I'm still going to give it a
01:25:25
try because like I said, the last last 10 minutes of episode
01:25:30
5, that's what hooked me. That's what kept me from
01:25:33
abandoning the show being like, OK, you know what?
01:25:36
I'm done. I now that we know who teen is,
01:25:41
I mean, they didn't say his name, but the dude had the crown
01:25:44
just like his Mama. That's that's absolutely Billy
01:25:47
Maxima I'm here for. Him that's that's definitely a
01:25:49
good. One right.
01:25:50
Let me see what they about to do.
01:25:52
Let me see what this kid Joe Locke is about to do with this
01:25:55
character. And and I think that's that's
01:25:58
going to be a good thing because that means that these last few
01:26:01
episodes, they're going to be locked in on their path because
01:26:05
there's none of this uncertainty anymore.
01:26:07
So it's clear that whoever is writing this is locked in on on
01:26:12
what they're going to do for the next three episodes.
01:26:14
Yeah, Hope, hopefully, hopefully that's.
01:26:19
What I. Want to see?
01:26:21
Yeah, right. Because if it's, if it's Billy
01:26:23
Maximoff, then we got we, we have, we have a story.
01:26:27
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like it's going to be if, if it
01:26:30
is him, then it's not really Agatha story.
01:26:33
It's really a continuation of Wanda story, which is which I
01:26:39
think is a disservice to Agatha's character.
01:26:42
Maybe not because it could still be out of the story, especially
01:26:47
because they keep referencing her son.
01:26:51
So I really strongly feel like we are going to see her son in
01:26:55
this show and maybe Billy is the thing that's going to lead her
01:27:01
to her son or lead her to be able to get back her son.
01:27:05
Or maybe, I don't know, maybe without his brother and without
01:27:09
his mom, maybe he sacrifices his power.
01:27:12
He gives her his power so she can get her son back.
01:27:15
I don't know that there could be so many different ways that they
01:27:18
can do it. But I don't feel like Agatha
01:27:23
story is over. I feel like they just waited too
01:27:27
long to say, OK, now we're about to show you what we're about to
01:27:29
do with this character. And I really hope that's what
01:27:33
they're about to do. Because if if you could come in
01:27:36
episode 6, episode 7 and get me to be like, oh, OK, I'm down.
01:27:44
I'm not going to be mad. I will take back every negative
01:27:47
thing I have said about this show.
01:27:49
If you can get me on board and show me the path and show me
01:27:53
where it makes sense, but right now it's just really not making
01:27:56
much sense to me. I, I, I don't know, maybe maybe
01:28:05
I'm crazy, maybe my, my mind just functions different than
01:28:09
normal people. But I I can, I appreciate.
01:28:13
The way that other people are the normal people and not you
01:28:16
are the normal person. Right.
01:28:19
Have you met me? Because.
01:28:20
Then then I'm with you so, but you know.
01:28:23
I mean this, I mean this, this. I like the way that the way that
01:28:27
thank you, thank you, Michelle. The way the way that they've
01:28:31
they've arranged this season makes perfect sense to me.
01:28:33
It's like they introduce, they get one, they get one.
01:28:36
I guess the back she gets her coven.
01:28:38
They sing a beautiful song. They go down the witches Rd.
01:28:43
they lose. They killed Debbie, Jill Rupp in
01:28:45
the third episode, which is, you know, I don't think she should
01:28:48
have been there anyway. I like because that, because I,
01:28:52
I think she, I think Wanda just was sick of her and was like,
01:28:55
just bring her. She she dies, she dies.
01:28:57
I don't care. So I guess that's the other part
01:29:00
of of the thing that bothers me with Agatha, because I was just
01:29:03
like, why would you bring this woman down here?
01:29:08
Because they need to know her and not tell her what you're
01:29:11
doing. Like, you know, she didn't.
01:29:13
Even know the song like. You.
01:29:18
Know the song. You know what it's like being
01:29:21
held hostage in your own mind, not able to control what you're
01:29:25
doing, where you going, how you're doing it.
01:29:27
You've been, you've been trapped for three years and before that,
01:29:32
I don't even remember what the timeline was for Westview as far
01:29:37
as when Wanda got there and everything happened to the time
01:29:40
that she got discovered and and it was fixed.
01:29:43
I don't remember what the time frame is, but you were part of
01:29:47
this illusion as well. So the fact that you just bring
01:29:52
this woman down here, you don't tell her what you're doing, you
01:29:56
don't tell her what she's doing there.
01:29:58
You just bring her and just expect her to just do whatever.
01:30:02
I was just like. No, she didn't.
01:30:06
Because. Anything from your experiences?
01:30:08
That's that's the other part. And, and going back to what you
01:30:11
were saying, Mike, I don't think it has to do with, you know, you
01:30:15
looking at it in a different way, being as far as being
01:30:17
normal, being weird, whatever the case is, y'all know me, I'm
01:30:22
always about the character development.
01:30:25
I want the story, I want the background.
01:30:28
I want to know what the motivation is for this character
01:30:33
and the path that they're going to go through to get to the end
01:30:36
of their story. And it's just right now, I just
01:30:38
don't see that with access. And then, like I said, you have
01:30:42
all these other characters that you've introduced and you've
01:30:46
only given us a part of their story, and then you kill them
01:30:49
off or you make them disappear. Because we don't know for sure
01:30:53
what happened to Jen and Lil at the end of the episode.
01:30:56
We just know that Billy, you know, he blasts Agatha into some
01:31:00
quick mud quicksand and he does the same thing with the other
01:31:04
two ladies so they could still be alive.
01:31:07
But again, you, you giving us these people and you don't
01:31:11
really, you don't give us anything to connect to them.
01:31:15
And like I said, Imam Vilani said it, You got to go back to
01:31:18
making people care about the characters.
01:31:21
And I just right now, I just really don't except for teen
01:31:26
because I feel like I already I won't say I know the story there
01:31:31
because how he got there after what happened in Westview and
01:31:35
Wanda getting rid of everything, that's the story I want to know.
01:31:39
But I mean, again, I care about that character.
01:31:42
I I want to know. See, I care about Agatha.
01:31:45
I want to know. I want to know too, but they're
01:31:48
not giving it to me so it's making it.
01:31:50
No, let's see, because she's just like and she's not going to
01:31:53
give it up easily. That type of character is not
01:31:58
giving it up easily. Yeah, yeah, that's the hard part
01:32:01
about it. Yeah.
01:32:04
But I mean, we got 4 episodes. They they can fix it.
01:32:07
They can make me change my mind. They have time.
01:32:11
Not as much time as I want, because again, he would go one
01:32:14
of these ridiculously short seasons.
01:32:16
But I guess that's just the way it is now if you're not on, if
01:32:20
you're not on network TV. So I guess I have to deal with
01:32:24
it. But you got 4, you got 4
01:32:26
episodes, Disney Plus and Marvel to convince me that this is a
01:32:32
good show. Because right now I'm just, I
01:32:34
like, like, Anthony said. I'm.
01:32:37
OK, well, can we give a shout out to the the opening?
01:32:40
Do you like the opening? I do.
01:32:42
I like the opening and I do also like the closing credits because
01:32:46
you see all of these various references to like witches
01:32:52
throughout history, both and non fiction.
01:32:56
So so yeah, I I do like it. Like I said, there are certain
01:32:59
things about I do like I loved the first version of the witches
01:33:04
Rd. The second version was OK, but I
01:33:07
was like, OK, are we going to have to hear this song every
01:33:11
single episode? Because I just.
01:33:14
OK, you're on the Witch's Road. It's literally the theme song to
01:33:18
The Witch's Road. But every single version of it,
01:33:22
I don't need to hear the country version, I don't need to hear
01:33:25
the reggae version, I don't need to hear the sky version.
01:33:28
I just don't. Wait till wait till you hear the
01:33:30
hip hop, the Hip Hop Premier remix, the Neptune 3 mix coming
01:33:35
up. It was actually genius of Alice
01:33:38
Mom to sing a song that becomes so popular that people will sing
01:33:44
it and it will constantly protect your kid.
01:33:48
Perfect. Yeah, she basically made all her
01:33:50
fans a. Coven, yeah.
01:33:51
I mean, she did awesome to open up the role and to like for the
01:33:56
protection spell. It was perfect.
01:33:58
That was perfect. Unfortunately, it didn't protect
01:34:02
her much, whereas Agatha. No, she died.
01:34:04
Like, yeah, I know. That they killed the whole
01:34:07
reason for the protection spill, so then the protection spill had
01:34:10
no reason to continue the work. Yeah, you, you're right, You're
01:34:15
right. Well, no, because the protection
01:34:17
she was protecting her from the curse was still was cursing her,
01:34:20
but that was whatever. No, the curd they they lifted
01:34:23
they they they abated the curse. End episode.
01:34:26
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, like it wasn't keep her
01:34:29
alive, it was just keeping her from not being as cursed with
01:34:31
the curse. But she was still cursed, was
01:34:33
still losing her jobs and she I'm still cursed.
01:34:39
Right? But then someone else kills her.
01:34:41
But we're hoping that when they die on the road maybe they like
01:34:45
wake up back into the non Rd. Because I think that's one of
01:34:49
the things they said at the beginning.
01:34:50
Conical I'm saying I'm hoping. I'm hoping.
01:34:53
OK, let let me go with this dream.
01:34:55
Here. Oh yeah.
01:34:57
Just hold on. Hold on to that.
01:34:58
Because it's not that damn for real.
01:35:00
We we trying to bring them back. OK, OK, I get you.
01:35:03
I get. It for real For real.
01:35:04
OK, I. Got you.
01:35:06
Right, 'cause it makes no sense. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't
01:35:12
like it either. I'm I'm hoping that they figure
01:35:14
out, figure out a way that that Jen, Jen and and Lily can pull
01:35:19
themselves, pull themselves from them, But there's no accidents
01:35:23
going to because the show's about her.
01:35:25
She's going to. Put where where activists and I
01:35:28
tell them is the reason why she's the only one that survived
01:35:32
the witches Rd. Is she killed all the witches
01:35:35
that was with her the first times?
01:35:37
Well, duh, they dare. I figured that out, dude.
01:35:40
It's like, I think, I think, I think Jen knew.
01:35:43
I think Jen. Jen probably had an idea.
01:35:45
That's why that's why it happened, because she doesn't
01:35:47
trust her at all. It's like that's why Lily
01:35:49
probably then I Lily didn't want to go.
01:35:51
She's like, I'm not going just so you can kill me.
01:35:54
Like fuck you. And I think Rio also has
01:35:57
something to do with that because she said something about
01:36:00
giving her the bodies. Yeah.
01:36:03
So I was like, oh, OK, that's the other thing.
01:36:05
So like I said, I don't have a problem with Rio's character.
01:36:09
I think as AI don't know if I want to call her an antagonist
01:36:15
because she hasn't really been antagonisty with everyone.
01:36:21
She's just a little bit weird and and a little bit scary.
01:36:25
But she hasn't. But.
01:36:27
Where did she? Go Where did she go?
01:36:30
Because at the end of the episode, she wasn't around.
01:36:39
Well, she she had a body to collect.
01:36:40
She had. She had.
01:36:42
Did she come out of the house? She.
01:36:45
She might have been still in the house with Alice.
01:36:48
Yeah. Because she did say something
01:36:51
about collecting the bodies and I was like, OK, so why are you
01:36:57
collecting bodies? But they never again, they never
01:37:00
explained that. But yeah, she may be in the
01:37:03
house with Alice, so OK. I think she does her own thing.
01:37:10
Let her be. Yeah, and I'm, I think, I think
01:37:15
she has a little 'cause there's still some scenes from the
01:37:18
previews that we haven't seen yet, and I think she's the one
01:37:22
that's pretty prevalent. So that's pretty important to
01:37:26
the story of what's going to happen.
01:37:27
So she's going to come up eventually.
01:37:30
And I mean, she does her own thing anyway.
01:37:32
So it's like, I mean, we didn't even know she was a green.
01:37:35
I mean, it's like she is. So I don't know what she is
01:37:39
like. Some people says the green, the
01:37:41
green. Yeah.
01:37:46
Yeah, but I, but I, I think that, I mean, there have been
01:37:49
some people who are, who are saying that she might be deaf
01:37:54
because remember when they, when they were on the, the Ouija
01:37:57
board and they spelled out deaf, she just kind of laughed.
01:38:00
So they're like that. She laughed because she knows
01:38:03
that there's, there's so, so there's such a, a weird aura
01:38:08
around her as to what, as to what her end game is other than
01:38:13
killing Agnes. I think, I think that she has
01:38:15
some I I mean, I how was she her being?
01:38:22
So her being summoned to the road still kind of perplexes me
01:38:28
a little bit. I'm just like, I'm like, is
01:38:32
this? Is this something about it
01:38:33
That's weird. I can't put my finger on it, but
01:38:35
I probably will be able to. I But by the time by the time
01:38:38
they reveal everything, I'll be able to put my finger.
01:38:40
On Yeah, I was gonna say it has to do it has to do with
01:38:43
something having to do with Agatha, obviously, because she
01:38:48
was also part of the reason why Agatha broke through Wanda's
01:38:52
spell. But again, it's just kind of
01:38:55
like you, you keep teasing this past relationship between the
01:39:02
two, but you're not really giving us anything for it is
01:39:07
like you telling us, OK, they were in a relationship.
01:39:10
She obviously betrayed Agatha, probably in the worst way.
01:39:14
And there's just kind of, there's this back and forth
01:39:18
between them and it's like. Or vice versa.
01:39:21
Because I mean, she wants to kill Agatha.
01:39:23
It's like, it's not like just the other way around.
01:39:25
It's like Agatha doesn't really want to kill her, she wants to
01:39:27
kill Agatha. So Agatha obviously did
01:39:29
something to to earn that rage from her.
01:39:37
I don't know. Because because Agatha was
01:39:39
trying to get away from me. She's not.
01:39:40
She's not trying to instigate instigate an interaction.
01:39:44
Between like. She's not trying to fight.
01:39:46
Her like this is close to kissing her before Rio, said
01:39:50
actor. That's not your son.
01:39:52
Love does some love does some fucked up things, man.
01:39:55
Love is a love is a motherfucker.
01:39:57
Yeah, so again, it's a thin line.
01:40:01
So. So they got to Queen.
01:40:03
Love and hate. They they they got 4 episodes to
01:40:07
change my mind. I think they're going to I, I, I
01:40:12
can't wait to see where they take this.
01:40:13
I think the, the final two episode, the final two episodes
01:40:17
are going to be key. I think that the two episodes
01:40:19
leading up to those two episodes are going to give probably give
01:40:23
a little bit more of a back story.
01:40:26
I think. I think they'll get to the end
01:40:29
of the Witches Rd. By the end of the, of course,
01:40:32
the episode before last is the penultimate episode, so you know
01:40:35
they're going to get to the end of the Witch's Road at the end
01:40:37
of that episode, and then the next episode will be them,
01:40:41
whatever happens with them getting what they want or
01:40:43
whatever. Setting up the next the next
01:40:46
show or the next, whatever. Yep, setting up wherever they're
01:40:49
going next, yeah. I, I really hope they approach
01:40:53
this has like when they were mapping in the South and riding
01:40:58
it, that they were like, we're just going to do one season.
01:41:00
I really hope they did that. I hope they didn't do it where
01:41:04
we want to leave it open at the end because we want to do a
01:41:07
season 2. But I, I really think Marvel's
01:41:10
been doing well with having these shows end and just be one
01:41:15
season. And if you can come back and
01:41:16
come back for a season 2 and do a different story.
01:41:19
But don't leave this on the cliffhanger, you know?
01:41:22
Yeah, a cliffhanger, and then we'll have to wait 3-4, five
01:41:26
years to see what's going to happen.
01:41:27
Like if it, if it happens at all, right.
01:41:31
And I do have hope, like I'm, I'm like Hanukkah.
01:41:34
I, I, it's not that I hate the show.
01:41:37
I think it could be better. I don't think it's bad.
01:41:40
I think it's just OK. Like I don't want anyone to
01:41:43
think that I think the show is terrible.
01:41:45
I, I, I like some of the performances in the show.
01:41:48
I like the music in the show. I like John Locke.
01:41:52
I like Joe Locke. I don't know, I said.
01:41:55
John Locke. Joe, I like you.
01:41:58
Think a lot. Yeah, I'm.
01:42:00
Thinking philosophy. It's your philosophy.
01:42:02
Yeah. And even though I don't really
01:42:05
care for Captain Hum I, I think she actually is really good as
01:42:10
act of artist. I just think that I just think
01:42:14
that the role is not. It's not the way the story is
01:42:20
being written to me. It's not big enough for her.
01:42:24
It's not her to me right now. It's still sort of like a
01:42:28
continuation of Wanda's story now.
01:42:31
And but I do have hope because I think knowing pretty much
01:42:36
because of the crown, knowing that this is Billy Maximoff, I
01:42:39
think narrows the focus of the show.
01:42:42
And I think it's probably going to get stronger on the back end
01:42:46
than it was in the beginning. Like I think they did a lot of
01:42:49
meandering and a lot and a lot of setup for a payoff later.
01:42:54
And hopefully it's a pretty big payoff.
01:42:57
OK, now I will say this, I do think we will be adding acts of
01:43:02
Harkness to our mother's panel for contradiction once we find
01:43:08
out. Yeah, we can add her mom too.
01:43:11
So yeah. Yeah, yeah.
01:43:14
And that's going to have people want to talk about Wanda and her
01:43:16
mothering skills. Well, you know, we we can do
01:43:20
that 'cause, you know, I'm on the one the defense team
01:43:25
because. Yeah.
01:43:27
Her kids are just her imagination.
01:43:30
Do y'all have any final thoughts on the 1st?
01:43:33
OK, real quick. All along all.
01:43:37
Right, real quick shout out to Marvel for continuing to to give
01:43:42
the LGBTQ plus community a a voice and like to show to show
01:43:47
them in a in a reasonably positive light, I think, I
01:43:51
think. Why do you seem reasonably,
01:43:53
reasonably positive? Because.
01:43:56
OK, positive light story. Don't make sense.
01:43:59
It's like y'all telling us that they were involved and that's
01:44:03
it. Just like.
01:44:05
I said I mean, because because their their relationship,
01:44:09
probably their, their relationship's kind of toxic,
01:44:11
but I think that that team is, is a is a positive role model
01:44:16
for the game. Is is.
01:44:17
I mean, he, he's obviously gay. He doesn't care if people know
01:44:20
he's gay. And he and he is a really good
01:44:23
character. So that that's a good character
01:44:25
for the gay community in my opinion.
01:44:28
Shout out to Patti Lupo. Damn it.
01:44:30
I love this woman that I mean, Tony Award winner, Grammy
01:44:34
winner, Olivier Award winner. I mean, she deserves this and
01:44:37
I'm glad that she's getting all the that she's getting.
01:44:40
I think she's doing a really underrated job in this.
01:44:42
I like, I like, I really like her character.
01:44:45
I mean, her character does and she's, since she's a diviner,
01:44:52
was that that's the right way to.
01:44:53
To describe her, yeah, sure, she's a clairvoyant.
01:44:58
She's a clairvoyant. Yeah.
01:45:00
It's like, it's like, I mean her just like I was blurting out
01:45:03
Alice don't save Agatha. It's like, because, I mean,
01:45:08
because that's that's another thing that I didn't pick up
01:45:11
until I watch reactions. I was like, oh shit, like in the
01:45:14
in the second episode, she's like save Agatha.
01:45:18
And then in the other one she says Alice don't.
01:45:21
So she's seeing, she's seeing her things in reverse and it's
01:45:24
like, Oh shit. So at any rate, I, I'm, I'm a
01:45:30
paleopone fan. I I I think she's really good.
01:45:32
Like, are you? I'm just shut.
01:45:37
Also shout to the original cast in the first episode.
01:45:42
Just acting like everything's OK and going along and poor poor
01:45:48
what's his name? Like watching her go, watching
01:45:51
her investigate her, his flower bushes, thinking that as a body.
01:45:56
I mean is it Hank? Damn, what's his name?
01:46:01
But yeah, I mean, he, he went through the worst because he's
01:46:04
like right across the street from her.
01:46:05
She's like, oh God, here she comes again.
01:46:07
Just don't pay attention to her. Just literally do what she's
01:46:09
going to do. Yeah, I still got issues with
01:46:12
the neighbors. I mean, I know there's probably
01:46:14
not much they can do against the magical entity, but the fact
01:46:18
that they were like, I mean, because when she started coming
01:46:22
out of the spell, she was like, how long have I been like this?
01:46:26
He was like 3 years. She was like, y'all didn't do
01:46:28
anything. Well, we, we just kind of was.
01:46:30
What were they going to do? They.
01:46:31
Can't do anything. I know, but still it's just.
01:46:36
But it's like, it's like, basically, I mean, I mean,
01:46:39
really, this is not Wanda's fault.
01:46:41
This is all her fault because she because she put, she put
01:46:45
Agatha under a spell and then left.
01:46:47
And now Agatha just thinks that she's one of them.
01:46:50
And all everyone around here is looking at her like, Mitch, you
01:46:53
were just in the air fighting and fighting the Scarlet Witch.
01:46:56
We know. We know that you're not.
01:46:58
We know you're not normal. And then she goes around
01:47:01
pretending she's detective one day, then she's something else
01:47:04
another day. She's all in herbs, fucking rose
01:47:06
bushes. She goes to the library making a
01:47:08
scene with Dottie and it's like, and like nobody knows what the
01:47:12
fuck's going on. Like everybody's like, they're
01:47:15
just, they're basically playing on this is this is basically a
01:47:17
supernatural episode of the Truman Show because everybody
01:47:21
knows that she's not, Everybody knows she's fucked up, but
01:47:23
nobody's doing anything about it.
01:47:25
They're just letting her go along thinking that she's doing
01:47:28
whatever the fuck she's doing today.
01:47:30
And it's like, I mean, they're just like.
01:47:33
I think in the beginning, I'm thinking in the beginning they
01:47:36
tried because remember, everybody kind of the government
01:47:41
kind of knows what happens there.
01:47:43
I'm sure, you know, damage control probably try to do some
01:47:48
things when they went there and fixed everything.
01:47:50
And I'm sure they tried and they were like, you know what,
01:47:53
There's nothing we can do. No one gave Doctor Strange a
01:47:56
call to see if he could undo it. But at some point they were
01:48:00
probably like, we tried to get out of this, let's just go with
01:48:04
it. Some, some therapist probably
01:48:06
came along. It was like, you know what,
01:48:09
let's just go with it and maybe it'll go away.
01:48:12
But it wasn't working, whatever they were trying to do, so they
01:48:15
just stopped and just decided to go along with it because that's.
01:48:19
The government can't handle natural stuff.
01:48:21
What? Make sure they can handle
01:48:22
supernatural stuff. I'm not saying no.
01:48:25
I'm. Just saying they, they probably
01:48:28
went through all these people in this city, probably had to go
01:48:32
through therapy after what happened to them.
01:48:35
Yeah, Yeah, you were, they probably still going.
01:48:38
You're right that when they were trying to help her, it wasn't
01:48:42
working. And so they all decided as a
01:48:46
community, we're going to just help her through this and just
01:48:50
go along with it because of all the things that they just went
01:48:54
through, knowing that, you know, they had no control over what
01:48:59
was happening to them. They were consciously aware of
01:49:02
what was happening to them, couldn't do anything about it.
01:49:05
So I'm sure they were very sympathetic to her plight
01:49:09
because they're she's, she's, I was.
01:49:12
Going to say no they weren't because they because she was
01:49:14
part of the reason why Wanda was.
01:49:16
I mean. Holding on to all of that for.
01:49:18
So long. Speaking of dude, lock her up.
01:49:21
She wasn't. They just had the Scarlet Witch,
01:49:25
her robot husband, and her fighting all around the damn
01:49:28
town. Vision destroyed their fucking
01:49:30
library. It's like, how's library even
01:49:32
still standing? Vision went through the fucking
01:49:33
roof in that library. They they probably had some fun.
01:49:37
So what was so it probably was like, OK, we don't get y'all
01:49:40
this money and y'all just be quiet.
01:49:45
It's like they they went through so much, it's like they
01:49:47
probably, they probably still have still have tanks around
01:49:50
there and shit like fucking they just left them because, you
01:49:53
know, government don't don't like cleaning up after
01:49:54
themselves. They're probably tanks and all
01:49:56
kinds of shit just sitting out there in the fucking field.
01:49:58
It's like just fucking just, I mean, people, people probably
01:50:02
still have half a house, but. What What tell you say a
01:50:06
problem? What was the Angel going to do?
01:50:08
Like, what was Andrew Wu and SWORD?
01:50:11
What were they going to do with this woman who is supposedly
01:50:19
very powerful, who Wanda has basically made something else
01:50:25
and they can't do anything about it, but they can't lock her up?
01:50:29
Asia Wu's back in San Francisco, that was.
01:50:30
That was proven in Quantum Mania.
01:50:36
He had. He was having lunch with Scott,
01:50:38
that goes. Back to everything.
01:50:41
Back together. And we're not a that.
01:50:44
Doesn't even mean that he didn't go there and actually try to
01:50:48
break it. So it I mean, we can't discount
01:50:52
that we don't know. But what we do know is that all
01:50:55
these people, despite what she did, they were still trying to
01:51:00
help her get through it. Nobody locked her up, sword
01:51:04
could easily put her away, put her on the raft and just left
01:51:08
her there to rock. They didn't do that.
01:51:12
What what's what's what's we're going to do?
01:51:13
Come up with some card tricks. You know what?
01:51:16
And on that note, that's it for our show.
01:51:20
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01:51:22
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