#aknightofthesevenkingdoms #gameofthrones #dunkandegg In the aftermath of the Trial of Seven, the occupants of Ashford Meadow deal with guilt, grief, and loss. Dunk and Prince Maekar come to terms with each other. Prince Maekar makes a decision regarding his sons' futures, while Dunk makes peace with his past.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah, and I'm here
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with Anthony and Dina. And we are here to discuss the
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Season 1 finale of A Night of the Seven Kingdoms, right?
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It's like I'm sad but at the same time I don't know this.
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This last episode hit different for me.
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Did y'all feel that way too? It it went back light, I think
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they had to lighten it up after the last episode.
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It was that, but it was also, I don't know, something about.
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The. I don't know something about the
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way it it just felt, it felt different.
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Well, it started out with the slow jazz opening.
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That threw me off so much. Wait, is, is something playing?
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Oh no, that's the show. Right, right, right.
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That's how I felt because I was like, this music seems like very
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out of place. And I thought the maester was
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playing something and when he popped up I was like, is he
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playing? It was, it was very weird.
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It was a it was a interesting choice to start off the episode
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and it was just, I don't know, just from there on, I don't
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know. I think for me, this was
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probably my least favorite of all the episodes because not
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only because of that Music Choice, like I said it, it felt
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out of place and it kind of it kind of took me out of the
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scenery. But then also, there were so
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many. There were so many cuts in the
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middle of the episode, just, like, really sharp.
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Like, I felt like I was getting whiplash when we changed scenes
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because they came so suddenly and they were just, I don't
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know, something about the flow of this episode was just really
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weird to me. Yeah, so.
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And I don't know if it was meant to be that disjointed because
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of, you know, we're dealing with the aftermath of everything that
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happened in the last episode. But I don't know.
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It's just it was very odd. That's a good point.
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Maybe it was supposed to be that way because that's how the
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characters are feeling. Everybody is like distraught.
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Everybody is like feeling some kind of way.
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You know, there's blame in the air, there's rumors in the air,
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there's people are sad, people are hurt.
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And maybe that's why they did that way, because I also felt
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that way like after this, well, besides the, the, the smooth
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jazz, but this scene with, with Lionel where he's basically
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telling him, you know, you know, about, about the prints and
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everything. But like after that scene, it
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just kind of went to all these different things that are
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happening. And it just felt like it, it
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ended like in 20, like 20 minutes, it was done.
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And I was like, wait, what? Is this the end?
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This is what it felt. Very, it felt.
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Rushed. Yeah, very rushed.
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I don't know. It didn't really feel rushed to
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me, I think. I think it was cut.
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I'm, I'm agreeing with you all day.
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I think it was cut this way because we are going from
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Duncan's perspective. And right now he's he's
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discombobulated, like he's hurt Baylor died, he's blaming
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himself. But every scene seems to be from
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his perspective. So he is kind of walking around
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sort of still trying to figure out life, you know what I mean?
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It was a lot for him. Yeah.
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Yeah. It was I, I don't.
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Know now now I did like the opening scene because Lionel
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Baratheon just he just he he told the truth he.
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Just like look. We fought for you.
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The Apple boy fought for you. Say Baylor didn't have nothing
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to lose. He was fighting people who were
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sworn to defend him. Yeah, he was.
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It was purely accident and what should not have happened in the
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perfect world. Yeah, he would have died.
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Yeah, I'm. Starting to I'm starting to
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think that Lionel is more honorable than he's letting on,
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because I think that really kind of pissed him off a little bit.
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Yeah. And I think so, too.
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Even if you go back to the last episode when they got ready to
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start fighting and the question came up, what about the
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Kingsguard? And Baylor answered, He was
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like, I'll handle the Kingsguard.
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They are sworn not to, you know, not to harm any one of the royal
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blood. And the question that was asked,
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and I don't remember who it was that asked it, they said, but is
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that honorable? He was like, we'll let the gods
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decide. I think it was the night they
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got his leg messed up by Aryan. Yeah, and he ended up remember
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his name. He I think that's Hardesty.
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Hardesty or something like that. But he ended up dying too.
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But you know, I thought about that when Lionel made the the
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comment, because as much as we love Baylor and we love Baylor,
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OK, he, like you said, he had a point.
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There was no risk to him. So technically he should have
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walked in there, walked out, no problem.
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He and I don't know if he looked at it in that way or if he
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calculated it in that way, because again, we didn't really
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get to know Baylor very well. We saw what we saw, which could
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have just been surfacey, you know what I'm saying?
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It's like, yeah, he can be. He can present himself as being
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noble of trying to do the right thing.
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But when you look at it from Lionel's point of view, were you
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really doing the right thing? Or did you step up because you
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knew you had no skin in the game?
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You know, and. I think he stepped up because he
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felt guilty like he I feel like he would he was honorable and
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that he really actually did want to protect Duncan because he
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thought Duncan was a good guy. But I think he also felt guilty
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because he like even though obviously he saved them from
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just getting his head cut off, he put him in a crazier
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situation to try to help him. And I think he was probably
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racked with guilt because he just that person, like, you
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know, you, it's better than him just getting executed or getting
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his hand, his foot cut off. So So the interesting thing I
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think about this episode is like it kind of makes you, at least
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for me, it makes you look at the Targaryens here in a like,
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they're not just one-dimensional characters.
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Like they're there's very much layers to all of them.
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But even with that, it was kind of weird, like the whole thing
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with Baylor. OK, yes, on the one hand, he
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does look honorable. You know, he he presents himself
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as honorable and noble. But when you're looking at it
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from the outside, from someone like a Lionel or maybe even a a
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fossil way, we don't know how Sir Raymond feels about all of
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that. But it's like when you're
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looking at it from a different perspective, you kind of like,
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yeah, you know, when you think about it, that really wasn't a
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brave thing for him to do. I mean, again, you're going into
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a situation where, technically speaking, you shouldn't have
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gotten hurt. Yeah, technically nobody on the
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other side should have been trying to swing at him.
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Right, right. If they knew it was good for
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them. Yeah, right.
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So then the other thing is you have the other Targaryens and
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like, when you look at the characters and when you look at
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what they do, the whole thing with Ariana, this is one of the
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things that kind of irritated me about the episode because when
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when Deron is having a conversation with Dunk and he's
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talking about his brother, he was like, you know, my brother
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wasn't always like this. And Dunk has the you know, he
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thinks he's talking about Egg and he's like, no, I'm not
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talking about Egg on. I'm talking about Ariana.
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You know, he wasn't always this way.
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He was once a gentle child. And then it cuts to a whole
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different scene this like that's where y'all stop.
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And I know Dina, we, you and I were chatting last night and you
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were like, I don't want them to give me any reason to feel sorry
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for him. And I get it.
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I do get it. But I think it's interesting.
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It would be interesting to find out.
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And I think we discussed this a couple episodes ago, like what
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made him that cruel, that arrogant that like, I don't have
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to have the whole back story, but I do kind of want to see
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what's going on. Like with Amon, we know on House
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of the Dragon. We know what happened with Amon.
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We know he was bullied by the other kids because he was small,
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because he didn't have a dragon. And that kind of contributed to
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him being an asshole later in life.
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So if Arion was this gentle child, what happened?
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What was the what was the catalyst for that?
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I. Think Duncan.
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I think Duncan kind of points it out later when he was like, you
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know, I'll take egg with me and Summer Hall.
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You just can't send the Summer Hall because you took your other
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kids at Summer Hall and look how they turned out, right?
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If. You don't want.
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To I was like. You.
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Barely kept your feet in your hands.
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You talking this smack to this man?
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But you know what? You tell the truth though and
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make and make or kind of I think on some level knows it, but he
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wants to keep his family together.
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But dude, you, you yourself are not doing a good job.
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When your youngest son is sneaking into the bedroom of
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your other child who is bedridden, who is beat the fuck
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up and he has a knife because he's going to kill this man and
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all you can do is look and hold him and have a tear come down
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your eye. Dude, there's something
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fundamentally wrong with that. For your youngest child, for
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your 9 year old to want to kill his brother and you don't utter
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a word. You know that there's something
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wrong with that, but yet you still don't want him to go.
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That's my child, he's a Prince. He's not going to sleep in those
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conditions. Bro.
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Part of the whole reason the Targaryens are the way they are,
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the reason why people don't like them in this time and the reason
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why your whole fucking family is a mess is because y'all are
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arrogant. You have a lot of pride and you
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don't like read the room. You have your oldest son who is
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a drunk, does. It's not a good night, does not
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want, does not want to be anything that he is.
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Plus he has the dragon dreams. You have the the second son who
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is such an asshole that he just demanded a trial by 7 that got a
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lot of people killed and now you want to say I'm sending Arion to
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the east? Maybe, maybe some time in the
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free cities will make him. Bro you should have did that way
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before all this started. But he's gone because he thinks
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he's a dragon in human form. He's crazy, but he had.
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To get that way. Some like some somewhere he
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heard that or someone told him that and nobody, nobody stopped
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him. Nobody corrected.
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It's that pride and that ego again.
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I think it's also in the genes to a certain extent, just like
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the dragon dreams and the prophetic dreams come down.
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I think that bit of madness passes down too, because it's
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you look at so many of the Kings and so many other people in the
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targeting line have just sparked mad when there's others who are
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just perfectly fine, but it's just certain ones.
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That are just I swear they're they're all touched in some way,
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some more than others. Because even Rhaegar, Rhaegar
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was became obsessed with his dragon dreams and obsessed with
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the prophecy and with the weird things that weren't necessarily
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normal, like going and playing his instrument.
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And what was he in? What's the place called where
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all the poor people are? Oh, Flea Bottom, Flea Bottom,
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going down the Flea Bottom and playing his instrument or
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whatever. Yeah, they're they're all
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touched in some way, especially if you have silver hair.
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Yeah, but I mean, it's just, I don't know it.
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It's like they think they are so far above people, which we
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already know that this is how they think.
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You know, they they like you said in the last episode, then
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they came over from Valyria, these almost peasant like they
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came over with their Dragons. They took over shit.
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They became the rulers and they ruled for hundreds of years.
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So at this point, yeah, they feel like they're untouchable,
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but it's kind of like, are y'all not paying attention to the
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signs around you? Like your heir apparent just got
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killed quote UN quote by accident.
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But also why are you swinging the Mace?
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Why just why? I mean, I understand the other
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people over there are are trying to hurt you or whatever, but do
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you really think anybody on Dunkin's team was really going
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out to kill y'all? No, they want a Ariana's head.
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But you don't have any reason to be swinging at Mace, especially
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not at your brother. And then to find out that Baylor
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was wearing his son's armor and it's all that.
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So. So you're wearing armor that's
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not fitted to you. That's probably why his head
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wasn't as protected as it should have been, because that that
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helm was probably not properly sized.
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It's just, there's just a whole bunch.
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Of stuff I don't, I don't think, I don't think it wouldn't matter
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that man smashed the back of that man skin.
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I feel like if he had something, you know, that that's something
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Steely Pete was talking about. He was talking about the
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different, the different thickness of the steel.
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When he was talking, when he was talking to Dunk about his armor,
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he was like, yeah, what you had was not all that thick.
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It wasn't all that great. But I what I'm giving you is a
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little bit stronger. It'll protect you better.
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You have to think that Baylor, if he had had his own armor,
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would have been better protected.
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You know what I'm saying? It's like.
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But but I I just assume that for the most part their their armor
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is more ceremonial. Like I don't think Targaryens
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really have. They traditionally their armor
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is not going to be thick and heavy because traditionally
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they're on Dragons and so it doesn't necessarily have to be
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bulky. But it wouldn't.
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But it would now because they don't even have Dragons now.
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Yeah, but tradition, they, they, they, they're just going to make
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it the way it's always been made for the Targaryens because
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they're Targaryens. And again, that's that ego,
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because if you know that people around the the the the Kingdom
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don't like y'all, you would think you would protect yourself
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just a little bit better. You would think like.
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They probably did in actual war, but because this was attorney,
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they weren't looking to like actually, you know, come out
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fighting. Like literally, I feel like they
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thought that Darren and maybe Aryan and Vaylar.
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Vaylar, I forget his name, Blar. They was going to get out there,
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do whatever and nobody was going to mess with them because they
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have blood, blah, blah, blah, and then they was going to go
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home. They they didn't think all this
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craziness was about to happen. So they wasn't prepared.
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But this is the thing though. I, you know, knowing that George
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RR Martin wrote these people, these characters based off of
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like the UK and like the the the line of succession from whenever
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the hell back in the day in the war, the roses and all this
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stuff. And you just kind of look at
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like it is exactly the same hubris, the same ridiculous and
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all the blood and you got to have the blood mind.
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Mind you, half of them as bastards, half of them don't
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really know who their parentage and you know what their
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parentage is. They lying about stuff.
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It's people doing schemes. All this stuff is so dumb.
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Like these people, they living off something that ain't even
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real. When Aegon conquered and he
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killed people with Dragons, Muslim Dragons died with Rainier
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or whatever, that was a wrap. Like y'all have 0 power now.
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Now y'all just living on a name just like that.
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These mugs right now is living on a name.
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So some people who've been dead centuries and they ain't got no
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real power. And because I mean if they have
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real power, you know, Chris Andrew might still be a
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principle. But anyway, the point is like
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they're just living. They're just living.
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They're walking through the, the, the, through the whatever.
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What do you call it? The, the, the motions.
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They're just. Walking through the motions.
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Going through the motions, that's all they're doing.
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Because that, I mean, because really like the Small council
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basically rules, you know, the king might say whatever or do
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whatever and have some decisions.
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But like if look at Robert who ruled the small council, it was
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Littlefinger, it was various, you know.
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So I mean, I, I don't know, I just feel like they just kind of
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just play the part because that's what the small folk
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expect. The only thing really holding
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everything together are oats, and that's why it's very
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important for them to keep their oaths.
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And they all have sworn their allegiance and and fealty to the
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Targaryens. Yeah.
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And the only way the Kingdom can stay together if everybody
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fulfills that. Yeah.
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And that's why the Blackfyre rebellions are so terrible,
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because, well, I've, I've sworn into the Targaryens, but there's
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these other Targaryens who don't like these Targaryens.
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So I got to pick a side. That's the only reason why we're
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having wars right now. Yeah.
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Because if I'm not mistaken, before Aegon the first conquered
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everyone a lot of the realms kings were fighting each other
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anyway. Like the Riverlands was always
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fighting with the Westlands so. Right.
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And that, that was the thing he did.
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He stopped all that. OK, yeah, but.
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I the Dragons just made the the Dragons just made it easy to say
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you eat the needle or you burn or you.
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Burn I. Mean, I'm not mad at that right
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now. Since you mentioned the oath, I
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will say this too, because a lot of this show has been about
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honor, You know, about who has it, who displays it, who was
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truthful and that sort of thing. I will say this.
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The fact that they confirmed in this episode that Duncan was
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never knighted, that he is not a true knight, I have to say I'm
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disappointed in that. Because for the 1st 4 1/2
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episodes of this season, you give us this character who is
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always talking about honor, who's always talking about doing
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the right thing and who has this huge heart and he wants to help
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people. I get it.
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But to find out that he, he lied his way in there to get into the
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list. And I understand he did it to
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try to, you know, try to better his lot in life.
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And he didn't think that he was going to come into contact with
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the Princess of the realm and and all of this, he didn't think
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he was going to get mixed up and all this.
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I get it. It's I mean, it's a thing that
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happens, but I don't know something about it.
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I was so disappointed to find out like, yeah, you lied to get
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here. And now it's like from, from one
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little lie, that one little domino, a whole bunch of other
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dominoes just kind of fell and all of this chaos happened, you
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know? I don't know.
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I can't. I, I can't feel bad because it
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shows that it, it shows him that you don't have to be knighted to
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have honor. And I think that's sort of the
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point. Like he, he wanted to be like
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them. He wanted to be a knight.
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He wanted to, to uphold these honorable principles.
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But then he realizes that it's, it's not, it's not a real thing
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for them. He looks around.
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All these nobles and all these Knights, and all this crap is
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happening because they're crappy people and they don't have
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honor, you know? Where is the honor in breaking
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the girl's fingers? Because you're you.
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Your brain is messed up, dude. Where's the honor in that?
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Where's the? Honor in lying about your
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brother being kidnapped and you're lying on this man who had
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absolutely no idea what was happening.
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I get it. So it doesn't.
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So it's hard. It's hard to have any, to feel
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bad for thinking in that respect in any way, because all these
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other people are just as fake. They came in this title.
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That means absolutely nothing. And I did it, but still, it's
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kind of like, I think I heard, I can't remember if I heard this
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in relation to this show or something else I was watching.
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But it's like, you can't be mad at other people for doing
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something that you yourself are doing.
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Like, yeah, these people are trash, These people are lying
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and stuff. But you're doing the same thing
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by walking around calling yourself ahead tonight when
00:23:15
you're not ahead tonight. I guess for me, I already
00:23:19
figured I was, I pretty just thought he was lying to begin
00:23:22
with. So I, it didn't bother me
00:23:24
because I was just like, well, you got to get in there however
00:23:26
you can get in there. But I think in his mind, because
00:23:29
it's kind of like how we, we, they say don't meet your heroes
00:23:33
because they're going to always disappoint you because you're
00:23:36
going to find out something about your hero that is not good
00:23:39
that they have done that is, that's disappointing.
00:23:41
And I think the difference between him lying and him doing
00:23:46
what he's done is because he's a nobody.
00:23:48
Nobody knows him, nobody knows anything about him, but all
00:23:50
these other people are supposed to be these great people.
00:23:52
It's supposed. To be the great house, it's
00:23:55
supposed to be all this great, great, great, and everybody's
00:23:57
supposed to be perfect. And then you see that people
00:24:00
aren't perfect. And it's probably very
00:24:02
disheartening and probably probably honestly broke his
00:24:05
heart, because what he realizes now is that Sir Arlen used to
00:24:09
risk his life for people who couldn't get, they couldn't get,
00:24:12
they couldn't care. Right, right, and.
00:24:15
He was a good man, even though he was drunk and he was violent.
00:24:19
He was out there slanging that thing.
00:24:21
But he he he had honored that he would fight for these people.
00:24:25
He would do you know, and protect as protection was needed
00:24:28
like he protected Dunk when he was stoned, cold, drunk,
00:24:31
throwing up everywhere. He was still protecting people
00:24:34
and for him to see people who are on such high pedestals be
00:24:38
garbage was like, what in the world?
00:24:42
This is horrifying. This is gross, this is
00:24:44
disgusting, you know, and but I I figured that he was lying.
00:24:47
I didn't think Sarah Arlen every night at him because I felt like
00:24:50
to a certain degree, that wouldn't have been a thing that
00:24:53
Sir Arlen would have done. I don't even feel like he gave
00:24:56
him like the little bit of fighting that dung did.
00:24:58
It's clear he had no training or, you know, and I just kind of
00:25:02
feel like he was kind of really just using brute strength and
00:25:05
hacking like Sir Syria, Pharrell said.
00:25:08
Hacking away. And.
00:25:11
You know, in, in the book that make it pretty clear in the
00:25:13
beginning he was invited. It's it's, it's really clear and
00:25:18
obvious. And he if I remember, he did
00:25:21
think about that. He was like he's, he felt he was
00:25:25
doing this, but he was doing it because in his mind he knew Sir
00:25:29
Alan was going to night him but just die.
00:25:33
So that's how kind of how he justified it.
00:25:36
But he he didn't know anything else.
00:25:38
He didn't know what else to do. Like what else was he going to
00:25:40
do? He couldn't go back to Flea
00:25:42
Bottom. Yeah, yeah.
00:25:44
And. And I think we also kind of we,
00:25:46
we also kind of get this is probably why Sir Arlen never
00:25:51
swear to any lore, because they're all kind of not good.
00:25:57
Yeah. Yeah, it was better to just be
00:26:00
on your own and do what you thought was right and fight on
00:26:04
whatever fight you thought was right and just and honorable
00:26:07
instead of working for some Lord who's going to make you go bully
00:26:11
some people. Yeah, and I and I get that and
00:26:16
and I understand. And like I said, when when he
00:26:19
first came on the scene and he was like, oh, I'm a go to the
00:26:21
list. I know it was because he was
00:26:24
literally in between rock and a hard place.
00:26:27
His, his person just died and he really didn't have anything.
00:26:31
And he was like, OK, I can't wander by myself.
00:26:34
I don't think that was his intent.
00:26:36
Like he would. I don't think he would have made
00:26:39
it wandering on his own. Duncan very much seems like the
00:26:43
type of person who needs to have a companion.
00:26:46
And so he thought, OK, if I enter the list, if I win, you
00:26:52
know, what was it that they said?
00:26:53
When you win, you get the, you get the person's horse, you get
00:26:56
their armor, you get, you know, you get stuff.
00:27:00
He would have had a way to start a life.
00:27:03
So I get it. It's just, I guess for me
00:27:07
because of how pure he seems otherwise, I wanted him to be
00:27:12
above reproach, you know, and, and for him to not be, it was
00:27:16
just kind of a little bit disappointing, But I, I still
00:27:20
love the. Character.
00:27:21
It's it's Game of Thrones who who has ever been above
00:27:24
reproach. That, but that's the point.
00:27:27
I wanted at least one. Person No, that's that's not how
00:27:30
it works man. Start was living a lie and lied
00:27:35
to everybody, even even the most honorable person I know.
00:27:41
Not above reproach. I know.
00:27:43
I mean, no, that's true because Ned lied.
00:27:47
Yeah, Ned lied. I.
00:27:49
Know. Everybody.
00:27:51
Everybody. Everybody.
00:27:54
There's nobody. Speaking of lying, OK, Speaking
00:27:58
of lying, how gullible is Raymond Fossil?
00:28:04
Oh my God. Because how are you now?
00:28:11
I like old girl. I like the way that she was
00:28:13
cheering, dunking on in in the I like her.
00:28:18
But the fact that real quick she was like, oh, let me go find
00:28:22
this dude. Let me go lay with him.
00:28:24
Oh, let me tell him I'm pregnant with his child.
00:28:26
Oh, I have a feeling it's a boy. Are you a singer?
00:28:31
You know what? You know what happens within
00:28:33
like 8 to 10 hours? This is overnight.
00:28:38
Was like bro. I'm so.
00:28:43
Proud, I still love him because when I say 10 toes down for
00:28:49
Duncan, him and Lionel, I love them so much because they both
00:28:54
proved they were like look we are loyal.
00:28:58
When Lionel said that when he was like, your parents didn't
00:29:01
risk shit, he was like, I risked my life for you, Hardesty and
00:29:07
and the other guy, Beesbury, they risked their lives for you.
00:29:12
Speaking of which, Beesbury, the name of the guy the, I don't
00:29:17
remember if he was a maester, but the guy who?
00:29:19
Was on the small. Council, Yeah, and Amon bashes
00:29:23
hit. OK, I just I literally just
00:29:26
thought about that like, wait, I've heard that name before, but
00:29:31
I I love the way that they are 10 toes down for dump because
00:29:36
even Lionel was like, Hey, you can come to storms and with me
00:29:40
he was like, I love you like a brother and shit.
00:29:42
If you don't want that, I hate you like a brother, but you can
00:29:44
still come. I love that about him.
00:29:48
And I I'm a little sad that dunks not going, but I also
00:29:52
understand why because again, he doesn't want to play that whole
00:29:56
Game of Thrones. He doesn't want to play that
00:29:58
game. He wants to go and do good and
00:30:02
be where he can be of help. So I get it.
00:30:05
But I just wonder if that means we're not going to see Lionel in
00:30:09
Season 2, because I don't think that most of the characters that
00:30:12
we've seen in this Season 1, I don't think we'll see them in
00:30:15
the next season because if I'm not mistaken, they're not in
00:30:18
they're. Not.
00:30:22
But I love the fact that they're 10 toes down for him.
00:30:24
I love the fact that Raymond was so giddy because he whooped his
00:30:28
cousin's ass. And I'm like, yes, that's.
00:30:32
Like I think I broke her. I think I broke her rib.
00:30:34
I. Think I broke his rib.
00:30:35
You know what? I would have loved to have seen
00:30:38
Stephen running around or walking around or limping around
00:30:43
being mad because the little his little cousin who he bullies all
00:30:47
the time whooped your ass and the I would have loved to have
00:30:50
seen that. Props are thinking for not being
00:30:54
judgmental and just. He was judging, he was judging.
00:30:58
He just didn't say nothing. Yeah, I mean, he his head, he
00:31:01
was judging. He didn't say anything out loud.
00:31:04
He didn't crush. He didn't.
00:31:05
I don't think he wanted to hurt his friend.
00:31:08
No, of course not. He was so happy.
00:31:11
Oh my God. Raymond's like what, 181718?
00:31:15
Him I I wonder if he's younger than Dunk, because remember
00:31:19
again, Dunk is supposed to be what, 161716?
00:31:22
17. I feel like Raymond is, even
00:31:24
though of course we know he don't look it, but I feel like
00:31:27
he's supposed to be younger than whatever Dunk is or maybe around
00:31:30
the same age. But I think Dunk was looking at
00:31:34
her like, really, lady, you dishonourable, lying bitch.
00:31:39
But you know what? That ain't none of my business.
00:31:43
I'm going to stop getting in everybody's business because
00:31:45
this is what happens when I get in other people's business.
00:31:48
So the point Dunk was like, I'm done.
00:31:50
She's trying to be like dunking. She's trying to get a fresh
00:31:52
start. Yeah, I mean my.
00:31:56
Problem with that, right? Nothing's wrong with that.
00:31:58
As long as she treat them right it don't even matter.
00:32:01
Help him out with his his apple cider business because it's a
00:32:05
girl. Because you heard Raymond Fox
00:32:08
boy, we going to have some we going to have some problems
00:32:11
because he's he he looks so happy, like he's a knight now.
00:32:16
He fought in his first like literally you get knighted.
00:32:19
You fight in your first battle and you and you are on the
00:32:23
winning side. You actually won against your
00:32:26
opponent and you helped dunk beat who he was fighting like.
00:32:33
And then you come, you fight. This woman just comes to you and
00:32:36
things happen. And then she's like, oh, you got
00:32:39
me with child. He's like, well, I guess we need
00:32:41
to get back. I was just sitting there looking
00:32:43
like you are so gullible. But you know what, she might,
00:32:48
she might have gotten to the point where she was like, OK,
00:32:50
I'm tired of living this life and I need to go be somebody's
00:32:53
woman somewhere. And I want to say later, I, I
00:33:00
didn't have a chance to research this, but I do think in one of
00:33:03
the books they talk about there being 2 Fossaway families, the
00:33:08
red apple and the green apple. And I think that's why they want
00:33:11
to make us see the, make sure we saw the shield.
00:33:14
Because I want to say it has something to do with the the
00:33:19
tournament at Harrenhal later that the there are two groups of
00:33:24
there are two Fossaway families. Stephen probably wanted some
00:33:28
revenge. It was.
00:33:31
No, this is this is like way later.
00:33:33
This is like Robert Bradley in Time lately.
00:33:35
But I'm saying that's probably what split the family in because
00:33:39
this right here, because of course, Stephen, you know, he
00:33:43
betrayed his his word and he's over here and Raymond is like, I
00:33:48
don't want nothing to do with you.
00:33:49
So that probably did cause a divide in the family that or
00:33:52
that started the divide in the family.
00:33:55
You know, because who knows, you know, Egg or somebody might give
00:33:58
and Raymond a lordship somewhere.
00:34:01
Yeah, on his own for doing what he did.
00:34:04
Yeah, because I'm sure Egg would probably be like, yeah, you are.
00:34:08
You are a good person. You are a true knight and you
00:34:12
are a loyal friend. Yeah, I'm a bless you with all
00:34:15
this stuff that your cousin got by being, you know, a traitor.
00:34:19
A traitor. Oh, did did y'all catch Lionel
00:34:22
when he was like, you know, we can travel the world?
00:34:24
Hey, you ever been to TARP? Yes, yes.
00:34:30
I was so sad when he turned him down because I.
00:34:34
Was like, we know he makes the tarp, somehow he makes him
00:34:37
there. Eventually.
00:34:39
He makes his way there somehow. Because.
00:34:43
But Lionel also said you know there's a war coming.
00:34:46
Yes, yeah, yes. Yeah, the Backfire rebellion,
00:34:50
probably. Yeah, because Dunk asked that
00:34:52
question. What was it when when Lionel was
00:34:55
talking about Baylor and he was like, you know, he, he put
00:34:59
himself out there and, and risk nothing.
00:35:03
And what did he say? And the gods don't favor a
00:35:05
fraud. And that's how he looked like.
00:35:08
Because Lionel was not bothered at all about the fact that
00:35:11
Baylor died. He's just like, yeah, he's just
00:35:14
another dragon. OK, whatever.
00:35:16
And dunk. The only good dragon is a dead.
00:35:19
Dragon, right, and Dunk is like, can you have some respect?
00:35:21
He he's risked his life for me. He he died for me.
00:35:25
Lionel was like he risked shit like no, but and then they have
00:35:33
that that conversation because Dunk is like, well, if the guys
00:35:37
don't favor frauds, why? Why did they favor me?
00:35:42
Or even egg like egg out here lying and and doing his thing to
00:35:47
get what he wants. But you know what I really feel
00:35:50
like? So the thing with Egg I feel is
00:35:55
different because obviously Egg has been born into this family,
00:36:00
this supposed great family. And things are going to be
00:36:04
expected of him, whether he is sins or whether he's just a,
00:36:08
just a Targaryen. And it's very, very obvious.
00:36:13
This kid does not want this destiny.
00:36:16
He does not want this family. He does not want to be a part of
00:36:19
this because what good has it done for him?
00:36:22
You know what I'm saying? Like again, you are a kid and
00:36:27
you are so upset about everything that happened that
00:36:30
you try to go and kill your brother.
00:36:33
And your father is there and he just looks at you and goes to
00:36:38
hold your shoulder because he's like, I understand.
00:36:43
How messed up is that? You don't say anything to your
00:36:47
younger child, you don't scold him, you don't even you're not
00:36:50
even angry with him because you understand the motivation that
00:36:56
is making your 9 year old try to go kill his brother.
00:37:00
I think you understand and. The fact that Egg has basically
00:37:04
told him, yes, I want to be a Squire, but I don't want to
00:37:08
Squire for anybody else. But this man here talking about
00:37:12
duck, seriously, he knows that if he Squires for duck, they're
00:37:19
not going to have a place to lay their head.
00:37:21
They're going to be Wanderers. He's going to have to eat his
00:37:24
heart soft beef and he doesn't care.
00:37:27
That's what he wants. The fact that you are not paying
00:37:30
attention to this and then when Dunk comes to you and says, OK,
00:37:37
yeah, I'll take him to Squire, but we're not going to Summer
00:37:40
Hall because look at what how your other kids turned out.
00:37:43
No, we're going to do this. We're going to live this way.
00:37:47
We're going to sleep on the road.
00:37:49
We're going to sleep in ends basically live like a peasant.
00:37:53
And you got the nerve to be all hoity toity like my son is of
00:37:57
the royal blood. He's not going to sleep like a
00:38:00
peasant. Guess what?
00:38:05
He going. To sleep out something then you
00:38:07
going to let him do this? Because when he when when Dunk
00:38:11
was about to leave, an egg showed up and he was like, my
00:38:16
Lord father says I am to serve you.
00:38:18
I say your ass is lying, Egg, you're lying.
00:38:21
You're lying. You're lying.
00:38:26
And it's so funny because I I saw something I saw article that
00:38:31
says that that is actually a departure from the books,
00:38:34
because in the books Makar does tell Egg, OK, you you can go
00:38:39
Squire for him. And then after they show the
00:38:42
little title card at the end of this episode, you see the
00:38:46
Targaryens rolling out and you see Makar just looking around.
00:38:50
He's just like, has anybody seen Aegon?
00:38:53
No, Sir, we haven't seen him. Where the fuck is he?
00:38:56
I just fell out laughing. I was like, that's what you get,
00:38:59
that's what you get. But you know what somebody said
00:39:02
that really what that was about was him knowing he knew Aegon
00:39:07
ran away, but he couldn't tell everybody Aegon ran away.
00:39:10
We had dumped to go be, do it, blah blah.
00:39:13
So he was like. We know where is he because of
00:39:16
that. So I'm, I was thinking about
00:39:17
that. I was like, you know, he could
00:39:19
act like he's mad about it so people won't think he just let
00:39:22
him go. But maybe he did.
00:39:23
He could actually let him go. Could have, yeah.
00:39:27
And now he just playing. Roles It was funny because
00:39:31
everybody else, you know, the people who are close to them is
00:39:34
looking like, Oh yeah, that joker ran off again.
00:39:37
The brothers. The brothers are probably
00:39:40
looking Darren. Darren is probably like, yeah,
00:39:42
he ran off and good for him. Yeah, he probably pissed too,
00:39:45
because that means he got to stay there because Arianne is
00:39:49
about to go. He's banished to the East.
00:39:53
Amon is about to be sent to the Citadel and is now gone.
00:39:57
So it's just him blessing and a curse.
00:40:03
I don't know but. Well, I do like that what's his
00:40:10
name's daughter was like, the told the.
00:40:14
OK, she. Didn't blame him.
00:40:17
Yeah, I. Blame you to.
00:40:18
My name day because what they did to you was crap yeah I I
00:40:23
like that I was like OK some somebody said something to him
00:40:27
that was that was nice because everybody else is looking at him
00:40:30
and kind of whispering and pointing and you know the.
00:40:36
All of a sudden mad at him now. Yeah, but it's, again, going
00:40:41
back to the conversation that Dunk and Makar have when he
00:40:45
first goes in there. Makar is feeling bad because he
00:40:48
was like, I know people are going to say that I meant to
00:40:50
kill my brother. He was like, but I love my
00:40:52
brother. And Dunk is like, yeah, you
00:40:56
swung the Mace, but it was my fault that he died.
00:41:00
And I was like, no, it wasn't. It really wasn't.
00:41:05
I mean, again, there's so many points where we can lay blame
00:41:10
equally at everybody's feet. Yeah, don't you lied to get into
00:41:14
the list. But again, you weren't expecting
00:41:16
Targaryens to be there. Then here comes egg line kind of
00:41:21
sort of lying by omission about who he is and gets you kind of
00:41:26
mixed up in there. Then here comes Ariana being an
00:41:29
asshole and attacking people. And of course, your arm is not
00:41:32
just going to let you sit back and do that.
00:41:34
So Ariana has a little bit of blame.
00:41:37
Makar, you got a lot of blame because you didn't know how to
00:41:39
keep your your sons in control. Like, you know, Baylor, you, you
00:41:45
come in and you decide you're going to join the frame.
00:41:49
But again, you had no real risk. So there's like so many points
00:41:55
where everybody has a little piece of the blame.
00:41:58
But I really felt like I was feeling some kind of way about
00:42:02
the way Makar was treating Dunk because he wants to sit here and
00:42:07
be like, yes, because of you, It's because of you.
00:42:09
Without saying it's because you know, it's because your son,
00:42:13
it's because your son and you send him to the East now is not
00:42:16
going to reverse anything that just happened.
00:42:18
It's not going to change them either, because he was he
00:42:20
already he passed that age of crazy.
00:42:22
He crazy, he crazy and going all he going to do is now go to the
00:42:27
east and learn about the faceless men and about the the
00:42:30
golden company. All these people that's over
00:42:32
there doing crazy stuff or whoever.
00:42:34
If they they don't know if they exist yet, but because I know
00:42:37
they come from one of the black fire people.
00:42:39
But like whatever they are over there in the shy and all these
00:42:42
other places and Essos. Come on man.
00:42:44
Right, you think? That's going to help him.
00:42:47
Nah. But he's supposed to find honor
00:42:49
over there. Yeah.
00:42:51
Good luck with that and the precincts, OK.
00:42:54
You're not going to find honor. He going to find somebody who
00:42:56
not going to give a fuck that he's a Targaryen and he going to
00:42:59
get his ass whooped on a regular basis.
00:43:01
That's not that's good. But even with that, people are
00:43:04
going to immediately know he's a Targaryen.
00:43:06
If they know anything about, you know, the world, they going
00:43:09
immediately know by the look who he is.
00:43:13
But depending on where he goes, some of them may not care.
00:43:17
Mike whoop his ass a few times for the for the old and new.
00:43:20
Right for the old for. The old and the new.
00:43:25
Right, the old guys, the old guys in the new guys, Yeah,
00:43:31
because if, if ever Targaryen needed his ass, whoops, it would
00:43:37
be that one. Yeah, so.
00:43:41
You know what, like Damon did all kinds of fuckery, but Damon
00:43:45
backed his shit up. He was a grown ass man backing
00:43:49
his shit up. This little dude was such a
00:43:52
little. Punk.
00:43:55
Yeah. He had to invoke a law from 6000
00:43:58
years ago so he wouldn't die immediately because that's what
00:44:02
he probably would have been able to fight them because he had
00:44:04
better skills, but Dunks sheer size probably would eventually
00:44:09
have overpowered him anyway. And that.
00:44:11
Once that honor went out the window.
00:44:12
Once Dunk was not Sir Dunk. Once he was again Dunk from Flea
00:44:17
Bottom. Yeah, you can't.
00:44:18
You can't come to a street brawl with formal trainer.
00:44:23
It's just not. No.
00:44:26
With honor, you cheated. OK, it's not going to happen.
00:44:31
I'm watching this in the background and Egg is looking in
00:44:35
the mirror and his hair has started to come back, growing
00:44:38
back. I know little Peach fuzz.
00:44:40
And the the way that he looked so upset about that and then
00:44:46
that's when you see he he the knife is gone out the fish.
00:44:49
I said, oh, he bout to go do something crazy.
00:44:52
And when he when you see him walk into the bedroom and
00:44:55
Ariana's in the bed, I was just like, don't do it like I wanted
00:45:02
him to. Like, yeah, I want him to have
00:45:05
his revenge because the way this man, his baby brother, so
00:45:09
horrible. But at the same time, I was
00:45:11
like, hey, don't. Don't tarnish your soul like
00:45:13
that. Please don't.
00:45:14
Do you have plenty of time to do that when you were grown?
00:45:17
Don't do it as a child. Just just don't let it go.
00:45:20
Let let somebody else do. I mean, this man is in the bed.
00:45:24
He can't even move because he got his ass whooped.
00:45:27
That just I want to be like let it go.
00:45:30
But then to see how angry he was and then how disappointed he was
00:45:36
when his dad saw him and just you could feel that emotion
00:45:41
coming off him. And again, man car you, you
00:45:44
could feel it do what your son was coming to do.
00:45:48
Yeah, and that's the thing, like people don't understand when you
00:45:51
bully somebody, especially when you the older kid and you bully
00:45:54
somebody and you do really messed up things to them when
00:45:57
they little, they never forget that.
00:46:00
He'll never forget that. He told him that he was going to
00:46:03
cut his balls off and make him a sister.
00:46:05
He's never going to forget all this trouble he don't cause how
00:46:09
he treated that girl like anything that he's ever done to
00:46:13
that little boy around him. He is never going to forget
00:46:16
that. And so nothing he does is ever
00:46:19
going to be in eggs head. He's never going to be forgiven.
00:46:23
And I don't think about bullies like people don't understand
00:46:26
like once somebody has bullied you and treated you so badly and
00:46:29
done horrible things to you, even once you grow up, they
00:46:31
never they ain't forgot no and. And you got to think like just a
00:46:35
little bit that we've seen and heard about Ariana.
00:46:39
You have to know it's got to be way more because Oh yeah,
00:46:44
there's there's a difference between bullying someone and
00:46:47
beating them up and making them not like you.
00:46:50
This boy wants his brother dead in the list.
00:46:55
Kill him, kill him, kill him. And then you come with a a a a a
00:47:03
dinner knife. Yeah.
00:47:06
What you about to do with that? I mean, but I mean.
00:47:11
It was the best time to do it. You don't do it.
00:47:14
It was and the fact that make her just sat there and held him
00:47:17
by the shoulders and closed his eyes because you know this is
00:47:22
what you did. Your lack of parenting.
00:47:24
Now I don't know where the Mama is.
00:47:26
I know. This is about to ask you that.
00:47:28
Yeah, I, I, I do know. I think the mom is not in the
00:47:31
picture. I don't I, I'm guessing she's
00:47:33
dead or has been dead for a while.
00:47:35
So I understand you a man of the royal blood you trying to raise
00:47:40
for for boys, for Dragons. I get it, it's hard, but dude,
00:47:46
you, you have failed as a father.
00:47:48
Because that's the thing I was going to ask you about the mom
00:47:51
is maybe that's why Aryan is like he is, because maybe egg
00:47:57
was the one that you know, because you know, back then they
00:47:59
was dying having a little. Kind of like Cersei and Tyrion.
00:48:02
Yeah, yeah. Like that hatred of oh, you took
00:48:06
my mother away because you were born.
00:48:09
And that because I mean, I feel like because I feel like he he
00:48:12
clearly doesn't hasn't had a relationship with a mom.
00:48:15
Like nothing about a mother has ever come out of egg mouth.
00:48:19
They talked about father and he's like, yeah, I barely know
00:48:22
that. I'm mofo, but like he never
00:48:24
brings up mom. He never nothing about mom.
00:48:27
So I don't even think he probably even knows his mom.
00:48:29
Maybe right. And that's, you know, then
00:48:32
that's all Aryan. That would that would lead me to
00:48:34
think that, you know, Aryan was like, oh, it's your fault and I
00:48:39
hate you. You know, yeah, but there were
00:48:45
some sweet parts about the episode.
00:48:48
Dunk being reunited with Sweet Foot and then giving her to some
00:48:52
Raymond. That was really sweet, you know,
00:48:56
him having a little conversation with the horses 'cause I guess
00:48:59
Chestnut asked a question. He was like, I don't know, stop
00:49:01
asking. You need.
00:49:06
I don't know that was the horse was where is killing me.
00:49:08
That is funny, right? His his little, I guess his
00:49:13
Daydream, his vision when he's with Sir Arlen.
00:49:17
What I say that shit had me rolling because I'm thinking
00:49:22
this is a flashback to whatever happened right before Sir Arlen
00:49:26
died. He's telling the story.
00:49:28
He stops. He's he's literally looking off
00:49:31
like he's dead. And I was like, oh, is this is
00:49:34
this where he died? And then he picks up.
00:49:37
He was like a true knight, always finishing his story.
00:49:41
Oh my. God, I think he fell asleep with
00:49:43
his eyes open. I was just, I was sitting there
00:49:51
like, oh, is he dead? I'm literally about to start
00:49:54
crying like this man been dead since episode 1 and I'm about to
00:49:57
start crying because Dunk starts crying and then he just wakes up
00:50:01
and starts right back in the story and says because the true
00:50:03
knight always finishes this. I was like, you know what?
00:50:06
I can't with y'all. I can't.
00:50:09
They did tear up a little bit when they went down the path and
00:50:12
he went off because it's like Dunk finally let him go,
00:50:15
basically. That did give me a little bit
00:50:18
because I was like, oh, this episode, man, they didn't even
00:50:22
pull my fields out. And then it was like that little
00:50:24
scene and I was like, oh, there it is.
00:50:26
Yeah. I looked at it.
00:50:27
I looked at it like he's been with Dunk this whole time to
00:50:30
make sure. Again, I feel like Dunk is the
00:50:32
type of person who needs to have a companion and I feel like once
00:50:37
he realized that Dunk had somebody who was going to be
00:50:40
with him now, he could go off into, you know, his pearly rest
00:50:44
or whatever, whatever they do in Game of Thrones as far as the
00:50:48
afterlife or whatever. I felt like he was like, OK, you
00:50:50
know what, Dunk will be taken care of.
00:50:52
I can go now, you know, because Egg don't tell you that little 9
00:50:58
year old going to make sure Dunk is taken care of.
00:51:02
Yeah. Yeah, he's going to be a good
00:51:04
Squire. Yeah.
00:51:07
I can't wait for next season. I'm excited.
00:51:10
At the end, did you see how the title changed tonight of the 9
00:51:13
Kingdom? OK so this is this is I have a
00:51:17
question because when he mentions the 9 kingdoms I was
00:51:21
like OK two of those kingdoms obviously don't exist anymore
00:51:24
what the hell happened to them? Yeah, they do.
00:51:28
They just, but they they're not kingdoms though.
00:51:31
They're more like. They don't really count.
00:51:32
The Crown land the Crown. Land.
00:51:34
The Crown. Land.
00:51:35
That's where King's Landing is and and Dorn still ain't quite
00:51:43
apart. They they came together by
00:51:45
marriage, but they never conquered Dorn.
00:51:47
But they never conquered. Them and they just don't have a
00:51:49
king. But they never fully.
00:51:54
We came together. But that was funny though.
00:51:55
He's like, uh, uh. And I was like, oh wait, he is
00:51:58
Damon. Yeah, yeah, they don't, because
00:52:03
the crown lands never had a king and Dorn was never conquered, so
00:52:08
they're not really kingdoms. OK.
00:52:12
Well, they're not really part of the Doctor Princess.
00:52:15
They have Princess, Yes, they have Prince.
00:52:17
The Prince is the ruler and they're in the seat.
00:52:20
Sons beer. But they're not.
00:52:23
They don't have kings. Because again, the Targaryen is
00:52:27
never conquered dorm. They just kind of.
00:52:30
Eventually we like look hey give me a daughter, I'll give you a
00:52:34
son. We going to do the thing and we
00:52:37
going to be at peace because y'all tripping.
00:52:41
Yeah. You brown people are tripping.
00:52:44
Right. And no matter how many people
00:52:46
the Targaryens sit down there, they, they, they didn't make any
00:52:50
headway. They would die from sickness.
00:52:52
They would get poisoned somehow, somehow eat the food.
00:52:57
Stop. Kissing old people.
00:52:59
You couldn't. You couldn't even seeds the
00:53:01
place. You couldn't do it.
00:53:03
Because they didn't know what plants they could eat, they
00:53:09
didn't know if it was safe to drink the water.
00:53:11
Right. Dorm people are, they don't play
00:53:13
fair. Yeah, which is?
00:53:15
Great, I wish Oberyn didn't play fair he.
00:53:19
Could have just kept his mouth shut and finished the job.
00:53:22
Lot of logging and shit. They obviously don't have the
00:53:25
Incredibles there because if I if I I feel like if I ever if I
00:53:32
was in in Westeros or whatever, I think dorm would have been my
00:53:36
spot though I feel I feel like I would fit right in.
00:53:40
Yeah, yeah, yeah you would. But it's so funny when they were
00:53:45
having the conversation and Egg tells him he was like, there's 9
00:53:49
kingdoms in the realm Sir and Duncan's like are you mad?
00:53:52
He was like, is that real? I'm gonna die.
00:53:58
I was like egg. Are you admitting to your
00:54:01
insanity? I.
00:54:02
Was like, please don't let that be an indicator of things to
00:54:05
come. Is that relevant?
00:54:08
Right do. You know, my brother, I was
00:54:11
like, that's one of those. One of those winky type things
00:54:15
like. Uh huh.
00:54:16
It's not a part of this conversation.
00:54:18
That's not what we're talking about.
00:54:19
We're talking about the number of kingdoms are.
00:54:21
But I'm like. When they're trying to figure
00:54:23
out where to go, he was like, yeah, we should go the door.
00:54:25
And I hear they got good puppet shows there.
00:54:27
I was like, what the two you little wing man smart.
00:54:32
Boy. I see what you're doing right?
00:54:35
I see what you're doing. Yeah, you're trying to nudge him
00:54:40
in the right direction. Right.
00:54:41
Look, that's probably why Sir Arlen was able to veer off.
00:54:44
He was like, OK, yeah, and and he going to take care of my boy.
00:54:48
So yeah. Overall, this season has been
00:54:54
amazing. Like I I knew it was like going
00:54:57
to be adventurous and kind of humorous, and I knew it was
00:55:00
going to be, but I didn't think I would fall in love with these
00:55:02
characters the way I have. Yeah, it's like, it's hard
00:55:06
because I'm like, well, and then you're not thinking we might not
00:55:12
get Lionel no more. And I love Lionel.
00:55:16
I know we lost Baylor, even though he didn't have to be
00:55:21
lost. I know.
00:55:23
But we wouldn't have Game of Thrones without Baylor dying.
00:55:26
Isn't that crazy? George R Martin's evil.
00:55:28
I just want to say that. I mean, think about all the
00:55:31
stuff that we got because certain people died and certain.
00:55:35
We we have to pave the way for Jon Snow.
00:55:39
You know what? And we're not asking.
00:55:41
Doesn't. Make it happen.
00:55:43
I'm sorry because. We didn't really do anything
00:55:45
with that reveal in the show, and at this point, we're
00:55:49
probably never going to get the completion of Windsor Winter
00:55:52
because he basically has said he has no motivation to finish it.
00:55:57
So you're not finishing that book, You're definitely not
00:55:59
finishing the other. What was it supposed to be?
00:56:01
Two more books after that? How many did he write while the
00:56:05
show was going on? None.
00:56:06
None. So he didn't work like he was
00:56:09
already up to whatever the one before this one was before the
00:56:13
show. When's the winter?
00:56:14
He wasn't. He was writing When's the winter
00:56:16
when the show premiered? Because I remember I was like,
00:56:19
OK, so I'm going to wait to read the books.
00:56:23
I said I'm going to wait until when's the winter comes out and
00:56:26
then I'll go ahead and read the books.
00:56:27
That was when Game of Thrones first premiere.
00:56:30
First premiere. And we're still waiting on that
00:56:34
book. So what he did was he sold his
00:56:37
baby. The baby became bigger than him
00:56:40
and bigger than his books. And then he got, he got, he got
00:56:44
tired. He got tired of everything that
00:56:46
came along with them. And I'm, and I don't, I don't
00:56:48
blame him because Game of Thrones was the biggest thing
00:56:51
for at least 10 years. But eight years, I don't know.
00:56:54
Doing stuff for it. But I think the other thing was
00:56:58
he probably got discouraged once he parted ways with Dan and Dan
00:57:03
and Dave, as far as you know, where the show was going.
00:57:07
But it's like you weren't even writing the story, So what did
00:57:11
you expect them to do? They needed to finish it
00:57:13
somehow. Right, because if you didn't
00:57:16
want if you didn't want them taking their own direction with
00:57:19
your characters, then one you either should have never signed
00:57:22
the deal for them to start or your ass should have been
00:57:26
writing. Yeah, no.
00:57:27
Well, well, they figured out how was going to.
00:57:30
They figured out the ending. So he was OK with that because
00:57:36
that's the ending was what he had, the visions, it was the the
00:57:40
stuff getting there, which he had.
00:57:44
He hadn't even written it, and they were writing it for him.
00:57:48
The the the assumption that the way they ended it was not how he
00:57:53
had planned on ending it. I thought he wanted Danny to
00:57:56
become like a mad queen. I thought that was his whole
00:57:59
like ending was that that's what he wanted because he's crazy.
00:58:04
Well, The thing is, he's had several different times, he said
00:58:08
several different things about how it was going to end, but
00:58:13
this was kind of there. But the biggest issue was how
00:58:17
they were getting to the end because he hadn't written yet.
00:58:21
And since he wasn't able to to give him anything, that's why I
00:58:25
think that's why he kind of walked away.
00:58:27
Was he didn't like, He didn't. Yeah.
00:58:29
He didn't like anything they were talking about.
00:58:31
So he was like, I'm done. But you know what?
00:58:33
Money. Money can be either a really
00:58:36
good motivator, yeah, or a demotivator.
00:58:40
And I think money became a demotivator for him because he's
00:58:44
getting these big fat checks. He ain't writing anything
00:58:47
really. So where's the motivation?
00:58:50
Yeah, and he clearly doesn't owe a publisher the work because
00:58:55
they would have forced it out something out of him.
00:58:57
But now. Yeah, yeah.
00:58:59
So it's. Well, they know his writing
00:59:02
style. They know that the way he writes
00:59:05
doesn't isn't conducive to being pressured.
00:59:09
To write. To write the book.
00:59:11
But the thing that I don't want that's that I don't know, I kind
00:59:14
of think about like, what's his name?
00:59:15
Brandon Sanderson? Is that his name that started
00:59:18
writing for your boy Jordan? Like at some point with somebody
00:59:23
just be like, fuck it, I'm going.
00:59:26
So apparently he addressed that in the interview he did a few
00:59:30
months ago where he said there are no notes there.
00:59:33
There's nothing. So there, there is nothing for a
00:59:36
quote, UN quote Ghost Rider to pick up on if if he dies.
00:59:41
Because, I mean, let's let's face it, this man is close to
00:59:43
80. OK?
00:59:45
Let's just be realistic. Average lifespan for, for a
00:59:49
white male in in the United States is, what, 77?
00:59:54
So he's already said that. Yeah, there, there's nothing
00:59:58
there. There won't be anything for
01:00:00
anybody to pick up. And I don't know if he has
01:00:03
actually, I don't think he's chosen anyone to ghost, right.
01:00:06
I don't think, I don't even know if he's going to give the rights
01:00:10
to anyone to say, OK, yeah, after I'm gone they can pick
01:00:13
this up. Because I'm pretty sure there
01:00:16
are some, probably some great, fantastic fan fiction writers
01:00:20
who have already completed the story.
01:00:22
I'm sure there are other authors who are probably like, OK, yeah,
01:00:26
I can do this. But it, it's just one of those
01:00:30
things where it's like you can have your creative control over
01:00:34
your characters, but if you're going to do an adaptation and
01:00:40
you know that you're, I mean, he knows his story is good.
01:00:44
He knows that people were going to fall in love with this world
01:00:47
and with these characters, then you should have been doing
01:00:51
something with that. And it's like, it's not like he
01:00:53
can't write because he's been writing all kinds of other shit.
01:00:57
He's helping to develop all these other shows.
01:01:00
And then it's kind of like also like with House of the Dragon,
01:01:04
one of the things I've been seeing people do a lot online,
01:01:07
they've been comparing to House of the Dragon and a Knight of
01:01:11
the Seven Kingdoms. And we already know that he's
01:01:14
already fallen out with the showrunner of House of the
01:01:17
Dragon. I think he's no longer involved
01:01:19
with that because they were also taking things in a different
01:01:23
direction. And the thing that's interesting
01:01:26
to me about that is with a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms,
01:01:30
you have a story that you have told.
01:01:33
This is the story. This is what happened.
01:01:36
The thing with the Dance of Dragons, the House of the Dragon
01:01:40
is that whole story is told by a third party view by two other
01:01:49
people. No, actually by three other
01:01:51
people. Three different.
01:01:53
Yeah, you have three different quote UN quote eyewitness
01:01:57
accounts giving me stories. So I don't have a problem with
01:02:01
the way that they've been doing House of the Dragon is because
01:02:05
it's basically all up for interpretation.
01:02:07
Because one person who is looking at things from Team
01:02:11
Green side, they might say some things or they might say this is
01:02:16
how things were. But someone on Team Black might
01:02:18
see it a different way because you're looking at it from a
01:02:21
different perspective. Then you might have one person
01:02:23
who is neutral, who is looking at the bullshit they're doing on
01:02:27
both sides, saying, hey, this is kind of what's going on.
01:02:30
But you don't really have anything with those stories that
01:02:34
say this is exactly what happened, except for things like
01:02:39
the battles, the Dragons dying. There are certain things that
01:02:42
you know happened because it's there.
01:02:45
But everything else that's in between, you can fill in the
01:02:48
gaps. And I feel like that's what
01:02:50
House of the Dragon is doing. It's giving us a version of that
01:02:55
story and I I don't have a problem with that because when
01:03:00
you read the books you like, but did this really happen this way?
01:03:05
OK, the show is saying it happened a different way.
01:03:09
I haven't had a problem with the way you've told the story so
01:03:11
far. Doesn't he have opportunities to
01:03:14
help write though? The actual writing of the show
01:03:17
didn't. I thought he was helping to
01:03:18
write. You were.
01:03:19
Involved up until I believe mid season 2.
01:03:25
So he didn't like, didn't like it.
01:03:27
He didn't like the way they were going, but of course.
01:03:29
When he didn't like, he didn't like what they were doing with
01:03:32
the the story. Like I think, see, he made the
01:03:36
mistake. I think he made the mistake of
01:03:38
saying that it was unreliable narrative because people would
01:03:41
ask him questions about the stuff in Fire and Blood.
01:03:45
But then when they do the show he could he it's almost like he
01:03:49
didn't want to fall back on that.
01:03:50
He was like, no, no, no, no, no, I want it.
01:03:52
I think it should be this way. And they're like, well, you
01:03:55
don't really give this new guidance.
01:03:57
We think this is a better story. And he said, well, fine, y'all
01:04:00
do it yourselves, right? You know, But he should
01:04:02
understand and he he should. I'm not going to speculate, but
01:04:09
he should realize that once he passes, it's out of his control.
01:04:13
It's out of his control because they're going to quit what they
01:04:15
want. They're going to do with.
01:04:17
This one, like they said, he had a problem.
01:04:19
He's he didn't like the fact like the the poop scene at the
01:04:23
beginning, he thought that was overkill, that it wasn't
01:04:25
necessary. The showrunner was like, Nope,
01:04:27
it's staying. And he had to like let it go.
01:04:30
You don't disagree with people who own the thing that you saw,
01:04:34
right? Right, that's just like I was
01:04:39
listening. I started listening to
01:04:42
Unfinished Tales by Christopher Tolkien.
01:04:48
And in the introduction he talks about how he's like, you know,
01:04:54
I'm paraphrasing. My dad had all this stuff that
01:04:57
he wrote, all these notes, all these letters.
01:05:00
And I'm, I'm pretty sure he didn't want any of this to be
01:05:04
published, but he, but here we are, you know, people want to
01:05:10
know things, they want more information.
01:05:12
And I'm looking at it. It's all right here.
01:05:15
People ask questions. All the answers for the most
01:05:19
part are here. And I'm sure my dad didn't want
01:05:22
any of this stuff published. He probably would say, please
01:05:25
God, no. It's terrible.
01:05:27
It's not accurate. It's not right.
01:05:28
He's like, and Chris was like, no, some of it is bad, some of
01:05:33
it is good, some of it is contradictory.
01:05:36
But guess what? Here we are.
01:05:38
Here's a book. Here's two books, here's three
01:05:41
books. And Frank Herbert is probably
01:05:44
the same way. His kid is out making books and
01:05:48
stuff and it's happened when Robert Ludlam died, who wrote
01:05:52
The Bourne Identity when he got every van Less better than
01:05:55
writing, and this is how it's going to.
01:05:59
Be they got 50 million books now, yeah.
01:06:02
Yeah, this is how it's going to be.
01:06:03
You know, once, once you pass, it's going to be up to your
01:06:06
estate. But they ain't even no guarantee
01:06:08
either. That's the thing, like they,
01:06:10
they talk about, like with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle about
01:06:13
Sherlock and how he was just like, I don't care what you do
01:06:15
with him when I'm gone. You can do whatever you want.
01:06:18
I don't care. That's why there's so much
01:06:20
Sherlock content that just goes on and on and on because he was
01:06:23
like, take it. It's for the masses.
01:06:25
I'm going to be dead. Like, and I get you wanting your
01:06:29
your thing that you created so be you know, but you're gone.
01:06:34
You did. And and you can't stop it
01:06:36
because like, even Christopher Tolkien was like, no, no TV
01:06:40
shows, no movies, nothing. Then he dies.
01:06:43
All right, here comes Brian. We're going to do ATV show.
01:06:46
We're going to do movies. We're going to do animated
01:06:49
series, comic books. At some point it's going to what
01:06:52
is that? What is the thing called?
01:06:53
It's going to do come out of the public domain.
01:06:58
It'll be public domain exactly and.
01:07:01
Then you're going to give up like serial.
01:07:03
Killer Winnie the Pooh and all this other bullshit that's
01:07:06
coming. That gets all money.
01:07:08
Worth, Yeah. Yeah, you.
01:07:12
Got to. I mean, again, if you don't, if
01:07:16
you don't want people to quote, UN quote, change your work, you
01:07:20
know, tell her story or whatever, finish the goddamn
01:07:24
book. I mean, and and here's the
01:07:26
thing, I know writers have their own styles.
01:07:29
They have their own ways of working, stuff like that.
01:07:32
Sometimes they take years. I mean, we're all sitting, you
01:07:36
know, Dina and I, Michelle, we're we're sitting here waiting
01:07:39
for the last Outlander book, even though the the show is
01:07:42
about to end on their final season.
01:07:44
But you know what she said, she says this all the time.
01:07:47
She was like, you know, one thing that I had to let go of,
01:07:50
but she was like, the show was the show in the books of the
01:07:52
books. She was like, yeah, they come to
01:07:55
me. They they take, they take the
01:07:56
stories from the books. They adapt them.
01:07:59
Sometimes they make changes because what happens in the
01:08:02
books are not necessarily going to show up, you know, well on
01:08:05
screen. And then if you've ever read a
01:08:08
Diana Gabadon book, she can write.
01:08:12
And there's just so much material that nowadays,
01:08:17
especially in this day and age, you can't put all of that in ATV
01:08:20
show. You would literally have to go
01:08:22
to network TV back to the 22/20/20. 2 show.
01:08:26
Nobody's really doing that. And that you can't do that with
01:08:29
Dragon. Food.
01:08:31
No, that's the that's too much money.
01:08:34
And even even the whole time travel thing, like, yeah, you
01:08:37
could probably do it. But let's let's be honest,
01:08:40
Outlander put a lot of their stars, like some of their stars
01:08:44
were already in the business, but Outlander catapulted their
01:08:48
careers. I think the reason why the show
01:08:51
is ending before the books have ended because Katrina is in
01:08:56
everything now. Sam is doing stuff now, Richard
01:08:59
is doing other projects, Sophie is doing other projects.
01:09:02
You can't tie people down to, you know, 10-15 years,
01:09:08
especially when the story is not done, you know?
01:09:12
And it's kind of like they've talked and they're like, yeah,
01:09:15
we kind of sort of have an idea of what's going to happen in the
01:09:18
books. But that's not our show is going
01:09:20
to end. Because if here's the thing, if
01:09:23
I'm adapting a show based on some books and the books haven't
01:09:27
come out yet, why as an author, would I allow a show to tell my
01:09:33
ending that I haven't? I've written it.
01:09:36
Because if the fans already know what's going to happen, what's
01:09:40
going to motivate them to read the book once it's done?
01:09:43
Granted, yes, the writing you have more details in the book,
01:09:46
but still, it's kind of like if you already know the the ending
01:09:51
here, are you really going to be motivated to buy it there?
01:09:55
For a lot of people know because there are a lot of people who
01:09:58
will read the books and not watch the show and there are a
01:10:00
lot of people who watch the show.
01:10:01
They don't want to read the books.
01:10:02
You have a lot of people they busy, they don't have time to
01:10:06
read 1000 page book, much less 10 of them and.
01:10:10
Let's just be real. We will still be waiting on the
01:10:12
nearest as the craft craft the Narrow Sea heard Arthraki will
01:10:16
be 90 years old by the time. Right.
01:10:21
And Diana doesn't even take that long to write her books.
01:10:24
I mean, go tell the Beast I'm Gone just came out, what, maybe
01:10:28
four or five years ago? So when you think about it,
01:10:31
compared to George RR Martin, that ain't nothing.
01:10:35
I did not realize he had started that book before the show.
01:10:38
That is insane. Yeah.
01:10:43
Yeah, I think I probably got to the third book and I was like,
01:10:46
Brett, Brad, it's a lot. I did the first book and then I
01:10:50
was kind of like, I'm awake and then I'm waiting and I'm waiting
01:10:54
and I'm waiting and I've gotten to the point like I have them
01:10:56
all on the shelf and I'm just like, I don't know if I'm ever
01:10:58
going to read them because I I'm a completionist.
01:11:03
I want to finish the story so. Well, I I got the book 4 and I
01:11:10
was like, yeah, I'm good, good. And I I want to see that was
01:11:15
before that was before they even talked about being ATV show.
01:11:19
OK. I was just like I I'm done with
01:11:21
this. Right.
01:11:22
You know, it's like his, he's so good.
01:11:25
He's so thorough. Like he just a lot.
01:11:28
But like, it's just so much stuff that's just like breath.
01:11:32
And we paired this down about a couple of.
01:11:35
Yeah, what? What what I loved about his
01:11:39
writing style is I love the the point of view chapters.
01:11:43
I love books like that. Something is point of view and
01:11:47
it just got to be too much though.
01:11:49
Yeah. It's got to be too much.
01:11:53
And you know, he's talking about he's, he's planning.
01:11:57
He has, I think, like 15 more novellas that he's going to do
01:12:00
for Dunkin Egg, which is probably why the showrunner was
01:12:04
like, Oh yeah, we want to do 15 seasons.
01:12:06
Oh Lord. Lord.
01:12:10
So I don't know, I mean, I'm I'm not going to say I would be mad
01:12:14
about more dunking egg. I wouldn't.
01:12:17
But it's just kind of like, again, I'm a completionist.
01:12:22
I really want all of the stories and I, I just, I feel like if he
01:12:29
starts more stories with dunking egg and then just kind of stops,
01:12:33
gets bored, gets tired as, you know, a brain fart, writer's
01:12:38
block, whatever. And just be like, OK, I'm not
01:12:40
going to do this anymore. I'll be really mad.
01:12:42
But I will say this, at least we freaking know how their story
01:12:48
is. That is true.
01:12:51
You know, apparently Dexter let something slip in an interview
01:12:57
that suggested that the ending for one of the characters is not
01:13:03
what we think it is. So I was like, really so.
01:13:07
That little baby, they're gonna have to train him 'cause he, he,
01:13:11
he's, he's spilling the tea, he. Might be doing that on purpose
01:13:14
though. He could be doing that on
01:13:15
purpose. Like him that's getting in
01:13:17
trouble? I know, but but yeah, overall,
01:13:22
going back to the show, I did enjoy this season.
01:13:25
Like I said, I think this last episode was just kind of weird
01:13:29
with the the modern music and the the, you know, the whiplash
01:13:34
cuts. But other than that, I I did
01:13:37
enjoy and I really love the characters, even the characters
01:13:40
that we hated. I loved how they were brought to
01:13:43
life. I would like to see some more
01:13:45
about these particular characters.
01:13:47
So if we're not getting them in second season, then yeah, right,
01:13:51
right. A couple more novellas so we can
01:13:53
find out what's going on. Because, you know, I looked up
01:13:56
some stuff earlier tonight and I was just like, oh, that's
01:14:00
interesting. Like finding out about Valar's
01:14:05
wife because because I'm I'm watching the funeral saying I'm
01:14:09
like, who's the black chick? I need to know who that is.
01:14:12
So I go to look and I find out who she is.
01:14:15
And then I'm like. OK.
01:14:17
And then I'm like, oh, that's interesting.
01:14:20
So I would like some of those stories because when you who she
01:14:25
is and then you find out like some familiar connections you
01:14:29
like, oh, that should be an interesting story.
01:14:33
OK. But yeah, I, I would like to see
01:14:35
some more stories, but I, I thoroughly enjoyed this show.
01:14:40
I thoroughly enjoyed Peter and Dexter as Dunkin Egg, and I'm
01:14:46
very much looking forward to Season 2.
01:14:48
It can't come fast enough. Oh yeah, yeah.
01:14:53
So now, because it's so short, I know, I know.
01:14:57
Because now we're just going to have to tie ourselves over with
01:14:59
clips and I can send, you know, keep sending stuff to Dina.
01:15:03
And every time she gets a clip about Dexter, she's like, I love
01:15:05
him so much. He makes me cry.
01:15:07
Oh my God, he's so sweet. I hope he doesn't lose that.
01:15:10
I mean, obviously he's got to grow up, but that kid is just
01:15:14
too sweet. And then for him to be so good
01:15:17
because like it's he's a sweet kid and he has all this like kid
01:15:20
energy. But when he gets on screen.
01:15:23
This boy is not his business. Phenomenal.
01:15:26
Like insane. And he was 9 in it.
01:15:30
Yeah, nine years old now. But he was like, yeah, when we
01:15:32
started filming, I was 9. I'm like, I was still playing
01:15:36
with Barbie dolls at night. I was still like.
01:15:41
What kid just is OK with shaving his hair off Girl like this kid
01:15:45
is in it? I know, I know, you saw the clip
01:15:48
of him getting his head shaved. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:15:52
And. And he looked as shocked as we
01:15:56
were. Like wait, what?
01:16:00
And it's, but it's so strange seeing him with hair now in his
01:16:03
interviews and stuff. And I'm like, he has hair.
01:16:06
But yes, yeah, he's so sweet. He's so, he's so good.
01:16:11
And yeah, I, I really looking forward to seeing what he does
01:16:15
with the second season and what they do with the second season.
01:16:18
They need to hurry up. And it's cool seeing them in
01:16:21
interviews together because they do have really good chemistry,
01:16:23
yes. I know so.
01:16:25
They are like Big Brother, Little Brother and it's lovely
01:16:29
to watch. It's so much.
01:16:31
Fun I I enjoy the show. I like the format, I like, I
01:16:36
like the lightheartedness, but I also like that that they could
01:16:40
slap you or remind you that this is Westeros.
01:16:44
Yeah. Absolutely.
01:16:46
Yeah, absolutely. I enjoyed it and it was really
01:16:49
close to the book. Like I was really amazed and
01:16:52
shocked at how close to the Novelli it was.
01:16:55
But that's how the first couple of seasons of Game of Thrones
01:16:58
was. Yeah, yeah, true.
01:17:01
That is true. That's true.
01:17:06
So we got to wait for this one. House of the Dragon comes back
01:17:09
in June that the trailer looks amazing.
01:17:14
I'm just like. And then when I looked at some
01:17:17
stuff, knowing what I know about certain peers, I was like, oh,
01:17:22
y'all about to y'all about to just tear our hearts out again
01:17:26
this season. I'm just, I'm prepared for it,
01:17:29
but I already know it's still, it's going to be like Baylord.
01:17:33
Like I knew that was coming and I still wasn't prepared.
01:17:36
I'm. If I watch the trailer why y'all
01:17:38
show me cry face renera? Why you show me that?
01:17:41
Because that means. Right.
01:17:44
It's only one thing. Like, oh, OK, all right, let's
01:17:51
just go ahead and get ready. Just gone ahead and get ready.
01:17:56
But you guys have anything final to say about a Night of the
01:18:00
Seven Kingdoms or excuse me, a Night of the 9 Kingdoms?
01:18:04
They did say that that was just a temp.
01:18:06
That was just a title card. They're not changing the name of
01:18:09
the show is still the night. A night of the seven, right?
01:18:15
Nope. It was great.
01:18:16
I enjoyed it and I'm glad that I'm glad they did it.
01:18:19
I'm glad they did this. It's really good because I was
01:18:22
worried when they started talking about doing spin offs
01:18:24
and I was like oh what we going to get and this was a really
01:18:28
good. Yeah, yeah.
01:18:30
So can't wait to see what they do with season 2.
01:18:35
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