#aknightofthesevenkingdoms #gameofthrones #dunkandegg Honor is challenged, loyalty is tested, and pride is on the line when the Trial of Seven begins for Dunk. A look into Dunk's past gives a glimpse of how he became the man he is today. Justice is served, but comes with a high cost.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah, and I'm here
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with Anthony and Dana, and we are discussing the Season 1
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penultimate episode of A Night of the Seven Kingdoms.
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And I know that we've all been saying like this, you know, it's
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a little bit different, The vibe is different.
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Doesn't feel like Game of Thrones.
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Well damn, we didn't need y'all to remind us that this is Game
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of Thrones in that way. Yeah.
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All day comedy and humor got tossed out the window.
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Man, listen, they were like, Oh yeah, we got y'all in, we got
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y'all comfortable, we got y'all seated.
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Now we're about to really pull the rug out from under you.
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Which we all kind of figured we've been having, you know,
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conversations offline and, you know, we kind of knew.
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I know Anthony knows what happens because he's read the
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book. I kind of found out because I
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went looking for information once right in the fossil a took
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that knee. It was like nightmare.
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I went looking. I was like, I need to know if he
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makes it. That's what I was looking for
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because I was like, I don't want him to die.
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So I looked it up and I saw, OK, he survives.
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But then I saw I was like. Yeah, it's same.
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I was like, OK. I did it to myself.
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I'm prepared, but but, but we know it anytime we get a a
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character that we really like. So last, especially a target,
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yeah. I'm not gonna lie, even though,
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even though I knew what was going to happen, it, it, it
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almost got me right here. Just like.
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Almost. Because reading the book, it was
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the same. It was like, damn you.
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In Game of Thrones universe, A Song of Ice of Fire, the IT
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doesn't matter what happens if you do the right thing, if you
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try to be good, you get punished for it.
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Every time. I was like, Ned Stark all over
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again, King Viserys all over again.
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They can't do no good. Who we need?
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We need that. What's her name?
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Melissandre. Or or what's the one that was
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with the Barry Danderian? What was his name?
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The one that kept bringing him back?
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Can't think of his name, but we need him too because I want my
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friends to pay. Lord, that's.
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Like Thoros Amir or something like that.
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Yes, Yep, Yep, Yep. Listen, because I OK, we're just
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going to go ahead and RIP the Band-Aid off.
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Y'all had to kill. Y'all had to kill Baylor.
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Really. Really.
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Fine man, with all that heart and bravery and fairness.
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And just the. When he when when he tells Dunk
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the Kingdom needs men like you like.
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He was like, I need men like you, the realm.
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And I was just like, I knew it was coming.
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I knew it was coming. I didn't know.
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Like I knew that he died from a blow to the back of the head.
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And I know that I knew that Maker was the one that that did
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it. I did read that much.
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But. But you know, OK, we'll, we'll
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get into that. But no.
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Let's get into it. He's a dumb ass.
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Like what? Why?
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Would you? Why would you go?
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That hard reason to go that hard at your brother.
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OK, so I'm going to answer that question because I thought the
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same thing. I was like OK, y'all are in like
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if if anybody's going to have to die, let's be the other people.
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But you the brothers. I was like, they're not, they're
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not going to do this. That that was my thinking.
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OK. Then when I, I just rewatched
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the episode right before we started recording and what I
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noticed was when Dunk had Ariana on the ground and Ariana was
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saying, I yield. When Dunk got up to, you know,
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he turned around and he pulled Ariana by the leg up to the
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front so that he could tell. But right in the background of
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that shot, you see three men fighting.
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The one in the middle pushes off one of the soldiers and he turns
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around and swings his Mace and hits the back of the head of the
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other one. I'd if that was Makor and and
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Baylor, whoever the third person was, I don't think Makor did it
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on purpose, but I think at the at that point he had been trying
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to get to his son. It's a.
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Arian, Yeah. And those two soldiers were
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holding him back. So I think in that moment, he
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wasn't thinking about his brother being on the field or
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whatever. He just knows he saw his son go
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down. And regardless of what we think
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about Ariana as a person, regardless of how he looks at
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Ariana as a person, at the end of the day, that is still his
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child. So I think it was more so just I
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need to get to my son. I need to get y'all away from
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me. I don't think Makor was paying
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attention to who it was. He just knew these were people
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that was keeping him from his child.
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And like, literally right after that shot, when Dunk is dragging
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Arian, you know, he goes up, he makes Arian tell them he's
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withdraws the the accusations, they blow the horn and literally
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everything stops. So I think it really was maybe
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not an accident because they were battling each other, but I
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don't think if Macor knew that was his brother or if he was
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paying attention, I don't think he would have done that on
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purpose. Because one of the things that I
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noticed even in the earlier episodes, Macor has his issues,
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but he does not give off the vibe of he hates his brother.
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It's kind of similar to Damon and Viserys in that way.
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Like Damon was a bit more rebellious.
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Damon had a bit more of a chip on his shoulder, but but the but
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he had the, you know, he was upset because technically
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speaking, he should have been next in line.
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And then Viserys named Raniera. So he had that extra, you know,
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animosity. But he still loved Viserys.
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We saw that towards the end, just in the little ways that he
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was. I feel the same way with Makor
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like him, Baylor may not get along well, but I never felt
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like there was animosity there. I didn't feel like he was one of
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those second sons who just hates his brother or I want my brother
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to die so I can be the one. I never got that vibe for him.
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So I don't think it was, I don't think it was on purpose, I.
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Don't think it was. I mean, I'm pretty sure it seems
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like they actually had a pretty good relationship.
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Yeah. Maker's problem was his sons.
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Maker had all of the angst. Yeah, all the angst and and and
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stuff he had pent up was about how bad his kids were or how
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useless whatever was. That was probably another thing
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too. He's probably pissed off.
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Like why are we even here? Oh yeah.
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Which goes back, Yeah. Which goes back to where?
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What kind of the feeling I'm getting is do your son put you
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all in this situation? Exactly.
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And if he's as good as he claims to be, or you want to see him
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prove himself, you said yourself you don't want to face him in
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one-on-one combat. Like really what?
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There was his opportunity. Yeah.
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You know. I understand, I understand,
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that's his son. I understand, I understand all
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that. But at the same time, you didn't
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raise an objection in the beginning with your son and make
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your son withdraw his accusation.
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You know what I'm saying? He was giving me that Amos
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Diggory, though, for a minute there when he was trying to get
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to him. And he was just like my son.
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And I was like, that's how I feel, some kind of way about
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this evil child on this floor right now getting his face
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beating because I don't like this guy and I prefer him dead.
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Yeah, but don't make me feel bad now because he sounded so like
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he really. You could tell he loves his
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child even though he loves my. Son, I was like, oh, Amos
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Diggory, OK. Yeah, like that was big Amos
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Diggory feelings. And I was just like, Oh no Sir,
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not make me feel bad about this. Right.
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And, and the thought never crossed his mind that Dunk was
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not going to kill Aryan. He really what, like he, if he
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had been paying attention, Dunk is an honorable person.
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He's not going to kill Aryan. But Aryan would have killed Dunk
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if he had the opportunity. OK, so so let's talk about this,
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because even going back to the flashback that we saw of Dunk's
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childhood, somebody's one of them seven guys or all of them
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seven guys. They are protecting that boy
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because Duck should have died several times over.
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So many times. And just.
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The he should have got a sepsis. He should have like, come on
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like he should have been. Like, no wonder he is a delicate
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constitution. He's shitting and throwing up
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all the time. Yeah.
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But. But literally the first charge
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you get a Lance to the stomach then you get let me tell you, I
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was so mad Dina had to watch this episode yesterday because I
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needed someone to real. I was like, what?
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The fuck male? It's still not.
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I was screaming at my TV because you get the Lance go through,
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you get the knife, you get the the blow to the head that closes
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his eye. Then he gets a second blow to
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the head that make like, I've seen so many Rocky comparisons
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and I'm like, that's literally what it was.
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He was, he was the Rocky Balboa of Ashford Metals because Oh my
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goodness, he took a licking. But he kept on ticking even
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though he laid down. And he was.
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I really thought I was like OK I know he gets up because there's
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4 pages written about him in the Book of Brothers, but you were
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no too. Convincing, my dude.
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Yeah, well, he also had that situation where most things,
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when you see people spitting up. The dark blood.
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You know, that's a major, maybe your, your, your, your kidney or
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whatever. Like, you know, it's major and
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you know, people just die usually.
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And he's just like blood after blood.
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I'm just like, dude, are you going to spit all of your blood
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up? Because what is happening?
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It was horrible. I think, I think like one of the
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reasons they did the flashback was to show us this is who he
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really is. This is where he's really from.
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And that there's a point even in the book, and the book makes
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this clear. There was a point where he
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stopped being a knight and returned to to to.
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Being dumped from Flea Bottom. From Flea Bottom and and you see
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that change where it became about survival, you know, and.
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And as big as he is, yeah, you know, as tough as he is, it was
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going to take a lot more than they had to stop Dunk from Flea
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Bottom. Because listen, that fighter
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honorably thing, I get it. I get it done.
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But when I say Arian came in fighting dirty, I mean the
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Lance, the knife. He threw a sword in his thigh.
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Just Arian was coming in for survival.
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Not only that, not survival, just of his life.
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He needed his pride restored as well.
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So he was looking for blood. He was looking to kill Duncan.
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I think Dunk was still, in a sense, operating on that honor
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system. And then after that first time
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he went down and came back up. He was like, you know what, fuck
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this, I got to survive. This man couldn't see, he
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couldn't hear. He could barely stand and he was
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giving it his all. I was sitting there watching
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this episode like this. I mean, and and then to see eggs
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reactions to every when Dunk fell, he was like, get up, get
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up to y'all. And and I know Ariana felt some
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kind of way about this because right, that's your brother.
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You're almost the victor. Your baby brother is screaming
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for everyone to hear for this man that you've accused to get
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up. Like you hear the emotion in his
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voice. You hear the love in his voice.
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You, you, you cheer for him. When they got ready to blow that
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horn and he saw Dunk moving, he went.
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I burst into tears. I was.
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I was with me, Anthony. I was.
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Done. Get up, get up, Sir.
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I just Oh my God, sobbing like. Oh, this?
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Little boy is so good. I'm surprised he had a, he had a
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voice after that scene. He had a he was like if anybody
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in that in that field had any doubt at all where eggs
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loyalties lied. Yeah.
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No. And then the people, yeah.
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But you. Know.
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It took y'all a minute because. But that was the those were the
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small folk, because at first they wasn't showing that the
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small folk was out there watching.
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There was only showing the Lords.
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But then the small folks were the ones that was like, yeah.
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When old girl stood up in the thing and she was like, yes, I
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was like OK. Like she's like, OK, I'm a
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whore. I probably need to sit down
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because hilarious. It was so, Oh my gosh, this, you
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know, it gave me that Battle of the Bastards feel because it was
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all muddy. It was just, it just felt like
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hopeless. Oh my gosh.
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People have been saying people like so many people I've, I've
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been just kind of seeing the discourse on, on, on threads and
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so many people were like, this was my favorite Game of Thrones
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battle ever. Like people are loving the show,
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they're loving this battle and they're, they're loving this
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episode. And it's just like, there was so
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much into it because you got the people.
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And this is the one thing about Game of Thrones, regardless of
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how you felt about the last season of the main show,
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regardless of how you feel about how the pacing of House of the
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Dragon, one thing Game of Thrones does exceedingly well,
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they give us characters that we fall in love with, whether we
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sing them once, whether we see them 100 times.
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Those characters stick with us. And I felt all of it in this
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episode. I was just like, I'm paying so
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much attention to the Dunk and Arian, but I'm still trying to
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figure out where's Raymond? What, what's going on with him?
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Like so much stuff was going on and there was so much movement.
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I couldn't tell who was who. I know Raymond knocked Arion
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down I think twice while he was fighting Dunk.
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He was about to get the upper hand on Dunk and here comes
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Raymond knocking him down. So I was like, OK, Mr. Brand New
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Night for all the 5 minutes, OK, you're, you're doing your
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contribution. And then when we see him at the
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end, when he's the one that's helping Dunk off the field, I
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was just lying. Yeah, little limp, but I'm still
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here. Still here.
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And then they had Lionel Baratheon with his Baratheon
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helm on baby with. That.
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Hitler's out there here. And got knocked on his ass.
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I was like, if this man dies because everybody was talking
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about him too, They were like, I think Lionel Baratheon is
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probably my most favorite Baratheon ever.
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And I was like, are there any other good Baratheons?
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I think for me friendly may have come close because he wasn't
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raised the Baratheon so he it's like.
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That is true. He doesn't have the Baratheon
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whatever to make he. Doesn't have any of their
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characteristics, their traits, none of their taints.
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Let's put it like that. He doesn't have that taint.
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So I don't really count him in that sense because Robert was
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already dead when he found out that he was a Baratheon, you
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know, so. Yeah, and Stannis.
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Stannis wasn't bad until he got influenced by Melisandre by.
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That red couch. Up until that point, he was
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actually pretty decent, yeah. He was just a rule follower.
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He was a rule follower. He was a stand up man.
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Up until she told yeah. Up until she told him he had to
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kill his daughter to win the war.
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And then but. Even before all that, just the
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way that he was with his daughter, like I just, I never
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really cared for staying this much.
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Yeah, he's not. He's not a person I like at.
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All no. And then it's like what's?
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So horrible, like even Robert wasn't horrible, he just he just
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got friends on and then they didn't like it and then he.
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Was a whore. That was his fault.
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He was a whore and a drunk. He wasn't a drunk, but he
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couldn't have. Because that's the thing.
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I wonder if he had the woman he really wanted, would he have
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been like that? You know, it's clear that he was
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only like that because he didn't get what he wanted, which was
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Liana's start. And dude, he didn't want you.
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It's it is what it is. But that's why they need to stop
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promising these babies to each other.
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Right. But but I think the other thing
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too with Robert that we have to remember is he didn't realize
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that Liana didn't want him also back.
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She ran off back she ran off and that whole little, you know,
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yeah. So anyway, but that that's a
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whole other thing. But you know, going back to
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going back to the trial of the of the seven nights is just
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there. Was that like one of the things
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I thought about? I said, hey, Can you believe
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we're going through all of this drama and trauma and bloodshed
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because somebody decided to hold attorney for his daughter's
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birthday? Like, you know, the daughter is
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just sitting there like, all I wanted to do was show off my
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pretty dress and here we are and people are dying.
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Like, Can you imagine you'll forever be known as the person
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whose birthday was ruined by the death of the Prince?
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The. Prince, the next in line, the
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air. The one that everybody loved,
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like I just there's Beautiful Prince.
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There's going to be so much guilt going around in the next
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episode. You, you can feel it, you know?
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Dunk already feels it because. When Dunk got down on that knee
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and was like your grace, I'm your man, please, I'm your man.
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I was like y'all gonna make me cry because I did.
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I was 3 when I was. Not you know who's not going to
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be guilty. That.
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Crazy, I think I'm a. Dragon face ass boy.
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Guilt is going to be arrogant. Yeah, He ain't feeling no guilt.
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Yeah, he should have died, but. Well, you know, George RR Martin
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loves to let people live who don't deserve to live.
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He does that on purpose and everything because why?
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Why was why did? Why did any of them people who
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deserve to die in Game of Thrones last last season?
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And we're not going to talk about Cersei's little romantic
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pretty. OK, Anyway, no, we're not going
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down that tangent. But yeah, the fact that the fact
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that he put himself in the the the list or into the the trial
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because he believed in Dunk, he believed in what Dunk stood for.
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But the thing that got me was when I did the rewatch and he
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was talking with their seven and he was, you know, telling them,
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hey, stand steady, stand firm, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Do this, do that. And somebody asked him was like,
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well, what about the Kingsguard? And he was like, I'll handle the
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Kingsguard because they are sworn not to.
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They can't touch me. And the question was asked is
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that is that just or is that true or is that something?
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And he was like. You say, is that honorable?
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Yeah. And he was like, well, the gods
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will decide. And I was like, I guess they
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decided they were like, you know what?
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No, we're not going to do that. But it's so, I don't know,
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because I feel like he did the right thing, like you say, does
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the right thing. Because this man would have died
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for some bullshit that his nephew caused.
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But you never know, the guys could have looked at it like
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this too. Like, yeah, I understand this,
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this guy, blah, blah, blah, but that's still your family.
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You don't turn your back on your family.
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Either way. Well, he he not really, since
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he's a knight and he is sworn to uphold honor.
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And he was trying and he was doing what he thought was
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honorable. Yeah.
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Aryan was not. Aryan was not.
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There was no honor. There was no honor in breaking.
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There was no honor in breaking Tanzel's fingers.
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Yeah, yeah. And you?
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Were killing her father. There was no honor in that.
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Yeah. Yeah, you're right.
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But Oh my goodness. Yeah.
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When, when he, when he did that meal and, and, and Prince Baylor
00:23:19
basically was like, yeah, we need men like you.
00:23:22
And then when he started talking about his helm and he asked her
00:23:25
and he was like, so Raymond, help, you know, some help with
00:23:28
my helm, please. And he said the visors cracked.
00:23:32
Raymond immediately, like his whole face changed.
00:23:34
He was like, oh, shit. Cuz when you look at it, you see
00:23:38
a little bit of the crack and it's just kind of like, OK, he
00:23:41
might have some damage. And then he turns around and
00:23:43
look, he was like, so the helmet is like dented down into the
00:23:49
gorget. Yeah.
00:23:51
Hey, I'm gonna need you to come help me.
00:23:53
When he took that off you like, literally the change on Baylor's
00:23:58
face was almost immediately. It was kind of like, oh,
00:24:02
something's not right here. And he, when he, when he reached
00:24:06
his hand back there and he looked and then he turned around
00:24:09
and you saw there was literally a chunk of his head gone.
00:24:15
I was just like, like you literally had.
00:24:20
I was telling Dana before I said it.
00:24:22
It reminded me of the scene and signs where Mel Gibson was going
00:24:29
to talk to his wife after she had been pinned to the tree.
00:24:31
And they told him they were like, look, this is going to be
00:24:34
the last conversation. If we move the car, she's gone.
00:24:39
And it was like literally the, the, the car pinning her to the
00:24:42
tree was the only thing keeping her alive and keeping her
00:24:45
coherent. Same thing with Dean Winchester
00:24:48
when he when he got impaled on the nail, Sam was going to move
00:24:53
and he was like, Nope, Nope. I think this thing is holding me
00:24:55
together. Leave me here.
00:24:57
That's that's kind of what I felt like.
00:24:59
And once they removed that helm, I'm pretty sure that little
00:25:02
chunk of his head was probably inside the helm and it was just
00:25:06
it was done by that point. In the in the book, they
00:25:09
actually, yeah, the way it's described in the book, you
00:25:11
actually can see his brain. So that's how bad it was.
00:25:18
Because I mean, the Mace is no joke.
00:25:20
Like when you see people's heads getting crushed on other stuff,
00:25:25
like it's even out here on the other Game of Thrones, like
00:25:27
people's heads getting crushed with a Mace and it ain't no
00:25:29
joke. And, and The thing is, when he
00:25:33
was talking to Sir Raymond about it, when Sir Raymond told him
00:25:36
how the damage was, he said probably my brother Makor, he's
00:25:40
strong. He was saying it with a little
00:25:43
humor in his voice, like, yeah. Strong.
00:25:46
You know, and I just that was so painful because once he realized
00:25:52
it's like, oh, you see the blood, oh, turn around, drop and
00:25:59
to Duncan's arms. And the thing that got me the
00:26:03
most about that scene, like everybody is horrified, but you
00:26:07
hear little Egg's voice when when Baylor turns around, Egg
00:26:11
says, no, I was done. I was done.
00:26:16
I was like, I can't this little this little boy, all he wanted
00:26:19
to do was go to attorney. That's why.
00:26:22
So you know, he's going to feel a little bit about that, too.
00:26:25
Oh yeah. Because all of this happened
00:26:28
because he he left, he escaped. He he kind of sort of lied about
00:26:34
who he was. Or I should say he didn't lie.
00:26:37
He didn't correct, Sir, not not forcefully, 'cause he told Don,
00:26:43
yeah, that's not my Mama. But he didn't say I'm not the
00:26:46
stable boy. He didn't say I'm Prince
00:26:49
Targaryen, you know. I don't know.
00:26:53
I I have a hard time. I have a hard time seeing he had
00:26:56
has any blame in this? I really no.
00:26:59
I'm not, I'm not. I'm not saying.
00:27:01
I don't blame him. Definitely said some stuff
00:27:04
going, you know, yeah, he's. Going to feel that blame because
00:27:08
he's going to be like, Oh well, if I hadn't run away then they
00:27:12
wouldn't have come looking for me and Daron wouldn't have had
00:27:14
to applied. And there's just so many things
00:27:17
that trickle down, and he's going to feel that blame because
00:27:20
he's a kid. You know, he didn't do it on
00:27:23
purpose. His uncle.
00:27:24
He seemed more close to his uncle than he did to his own
00:27:27
dad. Yeah, but his uncle probably
00:27:30
also treated him better because, you know, he was just that kind
00:27:35
of person. He was a kind person as far as
00:27:38
main court goes. Oh, you're the fourth son.
00:27:40
You he's probably not even quote UN quote important to him
00:27:44
because most of the time when it comes to those types of
00:27:47
families, when it comes to theirs and successions, they're
00:27:53
not paying attention that far down the line, you know but.
00:27:58
I don't think it doesn't. He doesn't care about him, but
00:28:00
he's not exactly on his priority list of things.
00:28:05
You know, I mean, he cared. About, but he at least got him.
00:28:08
Looking for him. But, you know, again, it's, I
00:28:12
think a lot of that still also has to do with that whole
00:28:14
Targaryen pride thing, you know? Oh, side note, for those
00:28:21
listeners who are a stickler for these things, we know it's a
00:28:25
flail and not a Mace. OK, We're just going to, some of
00:28:31
us just going to say Mace, but we know it was a flail.
00:28:35
We're not in the, we're not in the old English, old medieval
00:28:40
times. Nobody cares.
00:28:42
It's a flail. Good flail.
00:28:45
OK, But let's let's talk about Duncan's flashback for a little
00:28:53
bit, because I've seen kind of mixed reaction.
00:28:55
Some people think that they shouldn't have put that in there
00:28:58
because it took away from the trial.
00:29:00
But I think it was very important for us to see kind of
00:29:04
where Dunk comes from because we don't have a lot of information
00:29:07
about his past except for what we've seen in his memories with
00:29:11
Sir Arlen, I think it was. You also get to see he's been
00:29:16
tough his whole life because he got stabbed in the leg with a
00:29:19
spear and walked it off. After watching his best friend,
00:29:24
his only friend, die from her throat being slit, you know, But
00:29:34
you know, we always talk about even with Game of Thrones, we
00:29:37
talk about Flea Bottom and we know that Flea Bottom is bad.
00:29:40
We know it's like just the slums, the, you know, the
00:29:46
unhoused, The Dirty. I mean, we we've seen various,
00:29:53
you know, glimpses of it throughout the the two shows
00:29:57
that exist right now. But I don't know if I've ever
00:30:01
seen it as gritty as it was in this episode.
00:30:05
Like, you really get to see how bad the conditions were.
00:30:10
And I mean, we saw it a little bit in Game of Thrones when
00:30:13
Marjorie was out in the streets tending to the people.
00:30:17
But the fact that you are living under the stable in the crawl
00:30:24
space, that, you know, the animals are there and they're
00:30:29
doing their business and they're eating and it's just there's so
00:30:34
much about seeing that that kind of makes you.
00:30:39
I think I felt like I understood Dunk a little bit better because
00:30:45
you already see he he doesn't have parents.
00:30:48
His mom is dead. But, you know, that was the
00:30:50
other thing. He he knows his mom is dead, but
00:30:52
he was still waiting for her to come to him.
00:30:54
I was like, kind of hope, like, yeah, I know she, I know she's
00:30:58
dead, but what if she's just stuck in a place like this?
00:31:02
And that made me feel like maybe he doesn't know for sure that
00:31:04
his mom is dead. He just assumed because she
00:31:06
never came back from. But I don't know.
00:31:12
This is it's almost like this is what Sir Davos was talking about
00:31:16
when he talked about Flea Bottom.
00:31:19
Yeah, yeah, because it's like you hear, you hear about how bad
00:31:27
it is and you can kind of visualize it in your mind and
00:31:31
you see little bits and pieces there.
00:31:33
But I would say I think the Game of Thrones version of Flea
00:31:37
Bottom is probably a little more cleaned up than this version
00:31:41
because it's also older. Things have probably changed.
00:31:44
You know, I'm assuming when Aegon, when a gets into his, his
00:31:49
throne, that he, he probably tries to make things a little
00:31:54
bit better for the small folk because in this show, he kind
00:31:58
of, I don't want to say he considers himself the small
00:32:03
folk, but he, I feel like he has more empathy for them than the
00:32:06
rest of the Targaryens do. Well, he gets to, he got to see
00:32:10
some of it, but he got to see what it was like for small, for
00:32:14
small folk first hand and. Then he has Duncan, who is like
00:32:19
the most honorable, kindest, gentlest person he ever met.
00:32:23
He's clearly from Flea Bottom. And he's like, if this is what
00:32:26
it's like, if people like him come from Flea Bottom, like.
00:32:29
And are still this good. Still this good?
00:32:32
Yeah. But then you got people like
00:32:34
Alistair walking around Flea Bottom.
00:32:39
So I just know anybody named Alistair in the Game of Thrones
00:32:43
universe, I'm automatically not going to like him.
00:32:46
I'm just if your name is Alistair, you a fuck boy,
00:32:49
period. You're a fuck boy.
00:32:51
Did you notice he was missing his right hand?
00:32:54
So that means he was a thief. It was all over her neck and I
00:32:57
was like, what is that? And I was like, oh, I.
00:32:59
Didn't even pay attention. Yeah, they were letting you know
00:33:02
he was a bad guy. He was a big thief like this.
00:33:04
And I was just like. What is that thing?
00:33:07
Oh, that's not. Oh, that's a a.
00:33:10
Stump Oh, well, you know it. It still did its job because Oh
00:33:15
my goodness. But yeah, as soon as we got the
00:33:20
flashback, soon as we are introduced to Rafe, I was like,
00:33:26
she's going to die. He's going to die.
00:33:31
And I thought, you know, it was nice to see him have somebody
00:33:37
and to see just kind of, you know, like his origins, like
00:33:41
he's stealing stuff off of dead people because that's how he's,
00:33:45
you know, that's how they're surviving.
00:33:47
That's how they're making money because they're selling those
00:33:50
things. And the fact that they tried to
00:33:53
sell the stuff to go to the Free Cities and it still wasn't
00:33:56
enough. Like, no, you could've just
00:33:59
taken the two the the silver, but then we wouldn't have the
00:34:02
store we have. But yeah, Rafe is one of those
00:34:08
characters. I was like, OK, so you kind of
00:34:12
see where I think where Duncan gets his, his empathy, but also
00:34:19
where he cares about people. And I've thought I was like,
00:34:23
hmm, she kind of reminds me a little bit of Tanzel too, you
00:34:26
know? And that might have been kind of
00:34:28
the draw for him with Tanzel, like, oh, she reminds me of
00:34:31
Wraith. Yeah, that's probably exactly
00:34:33
what it was. Yeah, but the fact that she was,
00:34:39
you know, she was there to take care of him.
00:34:40
She was there to, you know, kind of be like, hey, we're not going
00:34:44
to stay in this place. What did she say?
00:34:45
This place, this city is too small for us.
00:34:48
Like, she just wanted them to get out, go to the Free Cities,
00:34:52
get into a better situation. And poor Dunk, he was like, what
00:34:56
if this is the best there is? I was like, baby, no, this can't
00:35:00
be the best there is 'cause this is not, this is not good.
00:35:04
Yeah, ain't nothing good about this and the way y'all living.
00:35:08
Right, but then also Rafe, Dammit, Rafe.
00:35:12
Why are why are you antagonizing this asshole?
00:35:14
You already see the heat like the I think the thing that
00:35:19
really bothered me about her is I get it.
00:35:24
She buck in the system. She she, she's I get it.
00:35:29
I get it. The thing that pissed me off,
00:35:36
when you steal Alastair's knife, when you steal his dagger, you
00:35:42
tuck it into your belt, but you're walking slowly away.
00:35:46
What? He's not dumb.
00:35:50
He knew. He knew you.
00:35:51
Stole it first of all y'all should have been running he
00:35:53
would have expected it because y'all literally just threaten
00:35:56
him so it it would have been easier.
00:35:58
I mean you got away from him so easily the first time when you
00:36:01
stole his ale skin. You could have just done it.
00:36:04
But no, you're sitting there smiling and putting the I was
00:36:07
like, this is not going to end well.
00:36:09
Because here's the other thing, you know what kind of people,
00:36:13
what kind of person he is, or I should say people cuz he had one
00:36:17
other person with him. Why are you tucking the knife in
00:36:20
your belt? That knife should have been in
00:36:22
her hand. It should have been in Alistair.
00:36:25
I would have went ahead and ended that.
00:36:26
Well, that that too, but if she should have had it in her hand
00:36:30
that way when he came around to her, she could've taken care of
00:36:34
that. They could've taken off.
00:36:37
Hell, you used to steal the stuff off of dead people.
00:36:39
You probably could've stole something from him.
00:36:42
He probably had some stuff. But I that whole situation just
00:36:45
made me so mad. But then when he slits her
00:36:50
throat and Dunk attacks him and starts biting him, boom, here
00:36:56
comes Sir Arlen out of the bar. And when I say Danny?
00:37:00
Tree bitch. Listen, I, I don't know what I
00:37:07
was expecting. I was not expecting him to come
00:37:10
out of there drunk and whooping ass.
00:37:13
I thought, I thought we were going to see Sir Arlen and all
00:37:17
his glory. Because the way the Dunk talks
00:37:19
about him, you know, he talks about how how good of a night he
00:37:24
was, how kind he was, how he treated him like family and how,
00:37:28
you know, all he was doing was protecting the innocent.
00:37:32
So I'm thinking this far back, we're going to see a more
00:37:36
polished version of Sir Arlen or, you know, I was not
00:37:41
expecting what we got, But it was again, I guess in a way
00:37:47
you're bringing, you're bringing a little bit of the comedy back
00:37:49
to the episode because he comes out and he's stumbling and he's
00:37:54
fumbling with his sword, but he still manages to fight.
00:37:57
He like, beheads the first guy as if he were cleaning his
00:38:02
fingernails. It was so quick, so easy, so
00:38:04
fast. I was like, wait, what?
00:38:07
What? And he not only drunk though, he
00:38:12
wasn't just drunk, he was so drunk that he was already
00:38:15
vomiting, so he had been drinking for a while.
00:38:18
For him to even be able to walk is amazing.
00:38:21
But I will say I did have an alcoholic uncle.
00:38:24
And when you're an alcoholic and it's constant, you can do so
00:38:28
many things that no people could not do on one drink.
00:38:31
Yeah, but I wouldn't expect you to be able to fight 2 two guys,
00:38:37
behead 1, kill the other and like amidst.
00:38:42
But I'm going to finish this plan.
00:38:46
He came in there taking names and kicking ass.
00:38:49
I was like, whoa. Yeah, it's like you, you wanted
00:38:54
you. You would have wanted to say
00:38:55
that. Maybe Sir Arlen was a crappy
00:38:57
night. Maybe he wasn't.
00:39:01
He was a good night. He just happened to be a hedge
00:39:03
knight. Yeah, and an alcoholic.
00:39:05
An alcoholic. That's probably why he couldn't.
00:39:08
Alcoholic because he was just a hedge knight.
00:39:10
Maybe he knew he was good, he was better and and should have
00:39:14
been, you know, a regular night or whatever, whatever, like
00:39:17
whatever happened to him in life probably just beat him down
00:39:21
because you you don't see him just in that instance.
00:39:25
After everything happens, Dunk follows Sir Arlen.
00:39:30
Oh my God, for so long for. So long and Arlen is drunk
00:39:35
almost the entire time and he's speaking in a weird language and
00:39:40
he's. The Thraki.
00:39:42
Is that what? You're speaking the Thraki.
00:39:45
So he and I saw 100, that's how he he'd have been out there in
00:39:47
the streets partying because. He has.
00:39:50
He's been all over the world. Listen.
00:39:53
I don't think headlights live that long.
00:39:56
I mean, think about when he found out they can.
00:39:57
I think we talked about this in the first our first episode.
00:40:02
He found they can. He was already a old man.
00:40:04
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he he had to been close to
00:40:09
40 because he was almost 60 when he died.
00:40:13
Yeah, yeah. So, but the whole thing with
00:40:18
Duncan following him, first of all, you have, you have a, a, a
00:40:26
gross wound in your leg from where this this man stabbed you.
00:40:31
Just festering, like how are you not dead?
00:40:34
Then you're following this man. And is it?
00:40:40
Does Sir Arlen know that Dunk was following him?
00:40:43
That's what I was wondering too because I was like wow, I know
00:40:46
he's he's clearly a drunk and he's clearly in his own world
00:40:50
but I feel like he has to know his surroundings because how has
00:40:54
he still got 3 fucking horses and ain't nobody took the horses
00:40:57
from him right? That's what I was wondering
00:41:00
around the world and nobody's robbed him or anything.
00:41:03
So I feel like he has to have his wits about him even though
00:41:06
he is toe up. I'm sorry, even if this is
00:41:11
modeled after medieval times and even, you know, here in America,
00:41:16
in the Westerns, you don't, you don't steal a horse.
00:41:20
That's like the worst thing you can do is steal somebody's
00:41:23
horse. You can win it in the contest,
00:41:26
you can buy it from them, but you don't take a man's horse.
00:41:30
But. You don't do that.
00:41:33
But the fact that Dunk was following him for so long, like
00:41:37
literally like Sir Arlen is on a horse.
00:41:40
Dunk is walking with an infected leg or with an injured leg.
00:41:44
Because I will be honest, if it was infected, he he really
00:41:48
should have been dead. It's not like he had he was
00:41:50
carrying around antibiotics or anything like that.
00:41:54
And then you're sleeping outside.
00:41:58
You have no, you have nothing like Dunk literally left with
00:42:02
the clothes on his back and that's it.
00:42:06
Have nothing else, no fire. You're you're sleeping out in
00:42:11
the elements and then you're drinking that dirty water
00:42:16
because we. Dirty water.
00:42:17
And he's drank that well. I said, oh, he's going to be
00:42:19
sick. And then we see him throwing up.
00:42:21
I said OK, you know what? But you know what I thought
00:42:23
about? I'm like, he's from Flea Bottom.
00:42:25
He probably drink brown water. You're right.
00:42:28
So he was like, what is water? Yeah, yeah.
00:42:34
And, you know, from the castles, the, the poop and the pee from
00:42:37
the castles were drained down into the city.
00:42:40
Yeah, You know, that was literally Windsor castles and
00:42:42
all those castles for real in real life.
00:42:44
So he was probably used to drinking brown water.
00:42:49
I do, but it's just like if we were to go to New, go to
00:42:54
Antarctica right now and drink like melted water or snow capped
00:42:58
water, we would probably die because we don't know what's in
00:43:01
that water. We're used to what water we
00:43:03
have. So, you know, even if it was
00:43:05
dirty water from Flea Bottom, this dirty water from the bushes
00:43:09
or wherever the hell he was, there's probably some different
00:43:12
microbes in there, you know? Yeah, 'cause even when we were,
00:43:17
even when we were in Europe, they were like, yeah, don't
00:43:19
drink the tap water, 'cause your bodies are not prepared for.
00:43:22
And they tell you that when you go to Mexico, too, they're like,
00:43:25
yeah. And and and parts of Asia, Yep.
00:43:31
But. Yeah, I like seeing the
00:43:37
flashback because again, like you said, it shows Duncan's grit
00:43:40
and his determination, you know, because he could have stayed in
00:43:45
Flea Bottom. But I think I think one of the
00:43:48
reasons why he probably follow Sir Arlen was because he
00:43:51
remembered that's not what Rafe wanted for him, you know, and
00:43:56
literally she died while they were trying to get out of there.
00:43:59
So I think he was like, I'm not going to stay here because guess
00:44:02
what? If I stay here, I'm going to
00:44:04
die. Because especially like, we
00:44:07
don't know how that little scene got cleaned up.
00:44:12
We don't know who Alistair is. We don't know if people were
00:44:16
looking for Dunk because obviously Duncan Rafe were a a
00:44:21
a, they were a set. You see when you see the other.
00:44:26
So at some point you see rave line in the street where her
00:44:28
throat cut. Somebody's going to go looking
00:44:31
for him. So it probably wasn't safe for
00:44:33
him to stay in flea bottle either, you know, But that
00:44:39
determination and then again, his love and his respect for Sir
00:44:43
Arlen comes through because Sir Arlen is the face that he sees
00:44:47
when he's when, you know, when Sir Arlen says get up, that's
00:44:50
when he gets up because he's knocked out and unconscious
00:44:54
twice during this whole thing. Like really, Arion, if you were
00:44:59
smart, you should have handled your business.
00:45:02
Like what were you doing? He was trying, he was trying.
00:45:07
He really was. Yeah.
00:45:08
He was trying to get this over as fast as possible, he really
00:45:12
was. But you know, we're we're also
00:45:15
looking at it like it's a few minutes for us.
00:45:18
That probably was only seconds for dunk it.
00:45:20
Was it was an instant. Yeah, it was probably instant
00:45:23
because yeah, if Ariel was paying attention, he should
00:45:28
have. Dunk should have been dead.
00:45:30
Like you already have a wound in your stomach, a wound in your
00:45:34
chest, a wound on your neck, your eye, your thigh.
00:45:39
I mean, ain't much left. You're already a a human
00:45:43
pincushion at this point. But.
00:45:46
The man is big. The man.
00:45:48
He is a big guy. We were talking about that, you
00:45:51
know, like what, what was the point of that chainmail?
00:45:53
And I was thinking, I'm like. Is all, is all.
00:45:55
Aryans weapons Valyrian still because like why is a chainmail
00:45:59
not working at all? Yeah.
00:46:01
Like it ain't deflecting shit. But you know what the good thing
00:46:05
is? Hold on, hold on listeners.
00:46:07
We know that pointy objects you got to stick in with the pointy
00:46:11
end because of the chainmail. Chainmail helps with glancing
00:46:16
blows, but you got to do the pointy end.
00:46:20
But Stevie Page says that that chainmail actually did save
00:46:24
Duncan because he says that when the sword went through, it
00:46:28
pushed the chainmail. Into the womb.
00:46:31
And that's why he wasn't bleeding out.
00:46:34
And I was like, OK, that's that's weird, but OK.
00:46:40
But I will, I will say this for I will say this for Ariana, as
00:46:44
much as we don't like him, as much as he fights dirty, he was
00:46:49
prepared because he came in there swinging.
00:46:52
He came in and fighting. And, and the thing about Dunk
00:46:54
is, yeah, Dunk is big. Dunk says he's a knight and he
00:46:58
knows how to fight. But Dunk had never been in that
00:47:00
position before. He had never, he's never seen
00:47:02
battle. And so the reactions that he was
00:47:07
having the the throwing up that he did even before the list, now
00:47:11
I get it when he says, wait, I can't fight until tomorrow, then
00:47:14
why was I throwing up today? Because that's what he does when
00:47:17
he gets nervous, apparently when you know, when he gets nervous
00:47:20
or when he gets scared. But the fact that this is the
00:47:25
other thing I really loved about the episode.
00:47:28
We got to see all of it through dunks eyes.
00:47:33
So you got to see what he saw. You got to hear his breathing.
00:47:38
You heard that he was nervous. You heard that he was scared.
00:47:41
You got to cut it. It.
00:47:43
It's like if I felt the apprehension and I felt the fear
00:47:46
when they were showing us the viewpoint from his helm.
00:47:50
Because it's kind of like one. Who the fuck is seen in those
00:47:54
Helms? Just about the same.
00:47:57
You had this much vision. What?
00:48:01
How? Yeah.
00:48:04
In the book Steely Pete talks about a visor because he's like
00:48:09
visors are bad because they can get jammed and messed up and so
00:48:14
he gave him a helmet that has slits.
00:48:17
Yeah, which is, and they probably helped him because even
00:48:21
though his eye got damaged, it could have been a lot worse.
00:48:24
Yeah. Because Ariana was going for
00:48:26
blood. Now I will say this.
00:48:33
Ariana, at least he at least he knew when to stop because he was
00:48:42
like, this fucker is about to kill me.
00:48:45
Yeah, I need to say I need to give up.
00:48:47
What? What he was just like, OK.
00:48:51
And that's going to be the other.
00:48:53
Maybe not guilt for him, but you know he's about to be like hella
00:48:59
embarrassed because not only did you bring these charges against
00:49:02
this dude and then you demanded this trial by 7 that you ended
00:49:07
up losing when you went up against him to fight him
00:49:11
one-on-one. You had the upper hand for a
00:49:16
long time. He was showing his skill, too.
00:49:20
He's pretty skilled. He's pretty.
00:49:22
Skilled. Yeah.
00:49:25
And you still lost. You still got, you know, handed
00:49:28
to you. Because when he first walked him
00:49:31
in the tent, he, Ariana, wasn't prepared for a fight because
00:49:36
he's the Prince and ain't nobody just going to walk in here in
00:49:39
this tent and whoop my ass. So he wasn't prepared for this
00:49:43
big giant to come in there and just start wailing on him and
00:49:45
kicking him in the chest. But this time he's like, now I
00:49:51
can do something. Let me show you what I can do.
00:49:53
I'll give him this. He was, he was well prepared.
00:49:56
He was very. Trained.
00:49:58
But like you said, but. He wasn't ready.
00:50:00
He wasn't ready for a brawl. He wasn't ready for a brawl.
00:50:04
He was. He's never been, I don't think
00:50:05
he's ever been in a bar. Fight.
00:50:07
No. And and never had the.
00:50:09
Yeah, because like you said, at that point it was dumped from
00:50:13
Flea Bottom. It wasn't Dunk.
00:50:14
It wasn't Sir Duncan. The tall dump was like, I got to
00:50:18
survive. I got to make it out of here.
00:50:21
This is I I did not come here to die today.
00:50:25
Not like this, you know, But yeah, Can you imagine being
00:50:32
Arianne the next day like you asked for?
00:50:36
Ask back to you. You asked for a trial of seven.
00:50:40
You got it. Several people died, including
00:50:43
your uncle, the favorite son, the Prince.
00:50:48
The the heir apparent. Right.
00:50:53
Oh yeah, being being pissed about this.
00:50:56
You, you. Oh, right, right.
00:50:59
Then you withdrew your accusations after all of this,
00:51:04
and now you have to live with it because Dunk was too honorable
00:51:09
to kill you all. Don't want it was for you to say
00:51:12
look, I didn't like right? Like he's not.
00:51:14
Guilty like I'm not. Yeah, yeah, he could have
00:51:19
smashed his whole head in the ground and been done with him
00:51:22
because. With his own shield.
00:51:24
Yeah, because the egg was like, kill him, kill him.
00:51:30
Listen, his brother was like kill him.
00:51:32
Please again, if y'all if if y'all don't understand how bad
00:51:37
this guy is, the fact that his little brother is on the other
00:51:44
side, man, please. And that whole little exchange
00:51:49
with them right before when Duncan gets ready to go into the
00:51:56
arena. And I feel like Egg was about to
00:51:59
apologize to him and don't cut him off and he was like Squire
00:52:02
my Lance. And then he turns around and
00:52:05
tells him the whole thing. He was like, you better be here
00:52:08
when I get back and if you robbed me, I'll come after you
00:52:11
with dogs and then Egg barks at him.
00:52:16
I was like, oh, that's so sweet, because I feel like that was
00:52:20
dunk basically telling Egg all is forgiven.
00:52:24
Like you know, I hold no ill will.
00:52:27
You know, you, you might do we, we, we cool and listen, just
00:52:38
next episode is going to be heartbreaking because, because
00:52:40
now we have to deal with the consequences of all of this.
00:52:42
And did you guys watch the the preview for the next episode?
00:52:47
Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:49
Macor sounds broken. Yeah.
00:52:53
Oh, yeah. Like you said, he probably could
00:52:57
have put a stop to this. He could have threaten the shit
00:53:02
out of his head, like yo, shut your ass up.
00:53:04
You know he could have done something so that this didn't
00:53:07
have to be. It's your kid, right?
00:53:11
Keep keep his ass a check, you know what I mean?
00:53:15
There's one thing Targaryens don't seem to do very well.
00:53:19
And, and The thing is like, they were so concerned with saving
00:53:22
Targaryen face or whatever, they could, they could have told
00:53:27
that, look, if you say you're going to go to the wall, then
00:53:33
it's over. You know what I mean?
00:53:35
Like if you do that, I'm, I'm just saying they had outs, they
00:53:38
had an out. They could have saved face
00:53:41
numerous ways. And would have gone happily to
00:53:44
the wall because he still would have been able to serve the
00:53:48
realm and like, be, you know, somebody.
00:53:51
I feel like he would have been OK with it.
00:53:54
Because there are plenty of Knights at the wall for various,
00:53:58
various reasons. And, and he, he could have, he,
00:54:04
the Targamians had an out, They didn't take it and now they have
00:54:09
to suffer the consequences. And I'm sure Macor is is pretty
00:54:15
sure he knows he's the one that killed his brother and he's
00:54:19
going to have to carry that with him for a long time.
00:54:22
Yeah, again, there's going to be a lot of killing that next
00:54:24
episode. Yeah, because killing him
00:54:26
doesn't get him to the throne because he's got two sons.
00:54:29
Yeah. Yeah, and he's and your dad,
00:54:33
your father is not going to name you Air because right, He
00:54:38
killed, right? Yeah, yeah, he'll.
00:54:40
Still be in Vaylar because he's he's actually next in line,
00:54:44
right. I think it's Vaylar's next.
00:54:46
Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
00:54:48
Bolar and this this scene when when going back to when they
00:54:52
found out that when Dunk and they're bringing Dunk in and
00:54:55
Dunk as did anybody die? And they're like, oh.
00:54:59
Oh gosh, Beesburg and and. H.
00:55:03
Harding. Is it Harding?
00:55:05
Something like that, I can't remember.
00:55:08
You know, they died at the very beginning, right?
00:55:11
And then he kind of took a breath because he thought, good,
00:55:14
nobody else died. Like I didn't really know them
00:55:17
anyway. So in his mind, I'm sure he
00:55:19
probably felt a little comfort. And then for this man to drop
00:55:22
dead right here, you know, the, it's just going to be a lot of
00:55:26
pain and suffering. And based on what I saw in that
00:55:29
trailer, I I just know Duncan ain't going to be the same for a
00:55:34
little bit. No, because what was it Maycore
00:55:39
says to him. He said it's time for my
00:55:42
youngest son to be a Squire. But he says he was Squire for no
00:55:46
one but you. And Duncan was like, begging
00:55:49
your pardon, but I'm done with Princess.
00:55:50
He was like. Look, the four of y'all the no,
00:55:53
I'm sorry, the five of y'all have been the main of my fucking
00:55:55
existence. I need y'all to go away.
00:55:57
It's been 5 Targaryens that ruined my whole damn life.
00:56:01
Right, which we know is not. I mean, we know that's not going
00:56:05
to happen because he ends up, you know, we know that what
00:56:10
happens with him and Egg for the most part through Game of
00:56:14
Thrones history. But yeah, it's next, the next
00:56:18
episode and and this is it for season 1.
00:56:21
This is the last episode that coming up.
00:56:23
And then we're going to have to wait, hopefully not too long.
00:56:26
But still, it's like we got to deal with everybody's guilt.
00:56:33
We're going to have to have a funeral.
00:56:35
We're going to have to like, you know, the.
00:56:39
More the more I think about like how they're talking about doing
00:56:42
15 years, the more I kind of want it because I'm like, now we
00:56:47
got to get out of wacky how he feels right now to get him to
00:56:51
another space where they're doing this.
00:56:53
I'm like, I just need to know how it all happens.
00:56:55
So I'm kind of looking like, okay, maybe I want maybe I want
00:56:58
these 15 years. I don't know.
00:57:01
I don't want to know. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't mind it
00:57:05
as long as it's not dragging out.
00:57:08
You know what I'm saying, Kick? Dragging dragging out well.
00:57:13
We nail piece of a dragon the whole damn time, but.
00:57:18
We have been with Dragons. Then you think about you think
00:57:23
about Deron's vision or his dream that he had.
00:57:27
You know where he tells Dunk, Yeah, I see you with the dead
00:57:31
dragon. This dragon had wings large
00:57:34
enough to cover the entire metal.
00:57:37
I think he was talking about Bill are.
00:57:40
Yeah, because he said. It and you didn't.
00:57:43
I don't know if you killed him or not, right?
00:57:45
There's no yeah. That he that the dragon is dead
00:57:48
and laying on top of you. And what happens?
00:57:52
Baylor falls on the ground into dunks arms and dies.
00:57:59
Yeah, I I was like, I knew it was coming and it still.
00:58:03
Hurt like it still hurt because man, nobody wants the good guy
00:58:09
who was like honestly a good guy with no, he literally had no
00:58:13
ulterior motive for anything he had done.
00:58:17
Even just when Dunk was being like the little, you know, oh,
00:58:21
help me Sir, to get into the list.
00:58:23
He treated him like a human being and he was good to him.
00:58:28
And he remembered somebody who nobody apparently remembered,
00:58:32
you know, like he was just good and says, oh, George RR Martin.
00:58:37
And really he, even though, yes, this also, you know, what was
00:58:43
it? The, the thing the person said
00:58:45
right before he said made, made death something about life and
00:58:53
death, but he pretty much saved Dunk's life by by even
00:58:59
suggesting the trial by combat, you know, and I think that's
00:59:03
also why Dunk was like, I'm your man, Sir.
00:59:05
Like you gave me the, you gave me an opportunity to, to save my
00:59:10
life. Like I would just be here.
00:59:13
That same feeling is for what he had for Sir Ireland.
00:59:17
Yeah, you know, he followed him because that man just busted and
00:59:20
saved his life. Didn't know him from Adam and
00:59:23
get off that by the mother or. Whatever, he said.
00:59:26
I was black. Yeah, yeah.
00:59:29
And, and, and Baylor stood by him.
00:59:33
Baylor backed him and said that was an honorable thing to do.
00:59:37
He did, Yeah. He did.
00:59:41
Oh wow. Was sad.
00:59:42
Was a true, true knight, yeah. And I really believe he meant
00:59:48
it. But he said the realm needs men
00:59:50
like you. Yeah.
00:59:52
Absolutely, absolutely. Because that's the other thing
00:59:56
about Baylor. He don't say stuff he don't
00:59:57
mean. So he really, he really felt
01:00:01
that, you know. And unfortunately, any man like
01:00:07
them, they don't make it in this world for too long.
01:00:10
They they just don't. You either win or you die.
01:00:15
I mean in real life for sure. You won, but you still die.
01:00:19
It's crazy. It's always that thing, you
01:00:24
know, when you watching stuff and the person always looks fine
01:00:28
and then next thing you know they fall down and they have a a
01:00:31
stab wound under their stuff and you're like, or they got shot by
01:00:35
the frayed bullet and you're like, Oh no.
01:00:38
'Cause you, you walked in there, you could tell something was off
01:00:42
about him. But it could have just been, I
01:00:45
mean, they literally would just knock down, drag out fighting.
01:00:48
So it could have just been the tiredness, but I think the thing
01:00:52
that I noticed was when Dunk was on his knee, you know, pledging
01:00:56
himself to Baylor and Baylor touched his shoulder, he
01:01:00
faltered. But Dunk faltered at the same
01:01:04
time. And I think Stevie Pay and Sir
01:01:07
Raymond, you know, they pulled Duncan back because Duncan
01:01:11
obviously was the one who was, you know, he had been stabbed
01:01:15
several times and all this other stuff.
01:01:17
So they probably just thought it was him.
01:01:19
And his imbalance caused the press to be imbalanced because,
01:01:23
again, there's Baylor sitting there.
01:01:25
He was like, oh, yeah, we. I'm gonna have my maestro look
01:01:27
at you after he's done with my brother.
01:01:29
So obviously, Makor ain't all, you know, he he got some bumps
01:01:33
and bruises, too. But again, going back to Baylor,
01:01:38
he could have just been like, oh, OK, We you got your, you
01:01:41
know, you got your verdict. Go on.
01:01:45
Go on your happy way. No, I'm gonna have my Mace.
01:01:47
I'm gonna have the Targaryen's maestro come and look at you.
01:01:51
You know, he didn't have to do that.
01:01:53
But then when he does kind of fall off balance and they're
01:01:57
tending to dunk, you can kind of see him swing.
01:02:00
And I was like, this is not good.
01:02:04
And literally, that helmet was holding him together.
01:02:07
Oh. My gosh.
01:02:10
So, so I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to pull it back a little
01:02:12
bit before we all start sobbing. We we, we also have to remember
01:02:19
that Song of Ice and Fire is a fantasy and there is a prophecy
01:02:26
and things have to go a certain way for a certain person to be
01:02:32
born. Yeah.
01:02:34
And and you know what's going to happen with the Dolores King?
01:02:38
No. Yeah, no.
01:02:40
Because then he would have lived forever and there was no chance
01:02:44
that any spares, even if it is the 15th spare.
01:02:51
So a lot of you know the gods working mysteriously is a lot of
01:02:54
things in this world have to happen a certain way for certain
01:02:57
things to bear out. You know, and we had to have our
01:03:02
Prince that was promised that didn't come to any anyway, let
01:03:08
me let me not go there. No, but but but John Snow's
01:03:14
existence did put some things in in motion, right?
01:03:19
Because Daenerys wouldn't have been there with the Dragons and
01:03:24
you know, and maybe even Aria wouldn't have been there because
01:03:28
her, a lot of her being there being around and doing stuff,
01:03:31
you know, her closest with John, you know, they were close from
01:03:36
you know, So we don't know. We don't know where it could be.
01:03:42
I know. Oh my God.
01:03:46
Yeah, it's still a fantasy, even though we didn't see any
01:03:50
Dragons, you know, No red priestesses or red priests, no
01:03:57
reanimated corpses. It's still a fantasy.
01:04:04
And it's crazy. We had eight seasons of three
01:04:06
and it was just three Dragons. We didn't even have a ton of
01:04:09
Dragons in that first iteration, right?
01:04:12
Yeah. And then we got all these
01:04:13
Dragons, and then we have more no Dragons.
01:04:16
Yeah, no Dragons here. No Dragons at all?
01:04:19
Yeah. Valerian is not walking through
01:04:22
that door. Nope.
01:04:24
I ain't gonna lie though, I really really kind of want like
01:04:27
more than her target in history, though, because I love the fact
01:04:30
that they really wasn't like kind of a nobody family, noble
01:04:33
family. That wasn't really nobody.
01:04:35
They weren't even strong as far as like Valyrian dragon Lord,
01:04:39
they weren't even on top. And then they just came over
01:04:41
here and was like fuck your couch give me this whole
01:04:44
country. I'm going to be over these 7
01:04:47
kingdoms and just like wowed out for centuries.
01:04:50
All this destruction and craziness because of 1 mediocre
01:04:54
family that was like I'm better than these bitches.
01:05:01
Yeah, well, again, certain things had to happen for people
01:05:06
to be in place. That doesn't mean we have to
01:05:08
like it. That's right.
01:05:11
Doesn't mean we have to like it. I think that doggers we talked
01:05:16
about the dogging they have anyway, that's get Segway.
01:05:20
You saw you heard the rumors about the yeah, they got Did you
01:05:27
watch the video? Did you watch?
01:05:28
The video I did and. It's funny because he's like,
01:05:33
yeah, I talked to him backstage. They say we can talk about.
01:05:36
He goes, oh, we can talk about Henry Campbell.
01:05:38
No, I don't think you're supposed to talk about that.
01:05:41
Yeah. And then he came out on his
01:05:43
social media and said that that wasn't basically he was like, so
01:05:50
yeah, everyone's saying that's what that's what Dexter said.
01:05:54
That's not actually what Dexter said, but I'm like.
01:05:58
No, that's what he said. That's.
01:06:01
What he said. Didn't say Aegon, he just said
01:06:05
Henry Cavill. Yeah.
01:06:07
So. And then he was like that.
01:06:10
He's not in. He's not affiliated with
01:06:13
anything. Game of Thrones, Yeah, but that?
01:06:15
Really. Yeah, he ain't no contract
01:06:17
signs. He can see that.
01:06:19
He can see they can sign no contract let.
01:06:22
Him, be him. Be a Targaryen.
01:06:26
So I've heard rumors that he would either be in season 2 of
01:06:31
the Night of the Seven Kingdoms as Damon if he's.
01:06:35
Damon Black. Oh my God.
01:06:38
So because also the rumor is. And that's going to be a
01:06:40
flashback. Yeah, so I was going to say the
01:06:43
rumor is that he would either appear in Season 2 of The Night
01:06:47
of the Seven Kingdoms as Damon Black Fire or the other big
01:06:52
rumor is that whatever they decide to do regarding Aegon's
01:06:57
Conquest, where there's ATV show or a movie, that he would be
01:07:01
Aegon Targaryen. Now, I know that is a huge fan
01:07:06
casting, like fans have actually been saying that they want him
01:07:10
to be Aegon. So my whole thing is we already
01:07:15
know he looks good with white hair.
01:07:18
I just need y'all to make that happen.
01:07:22
That's that's all I'm saying. You know, just yeah.
01:07:27
I still think Pagan's conquest should be an animated version.
01:07:32
No, I can't get Henry Campbell an animated.
01:07:34
I need it real. Life.
01:07:35
You can do the voice. You can do the voice.
01:07:37
I need to see him in some Targaryen finery.
01:07:43
I need to physically see that. Because because like, even with
01:07:49
the tales of Lincoln Egg, you know that that mention of him
01:07:53
and his four pages and the White Book is it makes him almost a
01:08:00
mythical figure. Yeah.
01:08:04
But here you're just stripping all that mythos away.
01:08:08
You know he's just some regular dude from Fleabottom who knows
01:08:11
how to fight. He.
01:08:13
Is now I, I feel like that is what what happened with Aegon
01:08:17
right now. It's it's this myth that
01:08:19
everyone's trying to live up to and they look back on.
01:08:23
And when you make it real, then it it changes it, it changes it
01:08:29
whether it's Henry Cavill or anybody else, yeah, it's going
01:08:32
to look cool. But then you take away from the
01:08:35
mythos. We might have.
01:08:39
We might have to agree to disagree on that one.
01:08:43
I just really want to see Henry Cavill as a Targaryen.
01:08:47
So. Go watch season 1 of the Witcher
01:08:51
and and mute. That's all you got to do and
01:08:56
just pretend the Dragons there, there somewhere.
01:09:00
Just yeah, I, I, I understand everybody wants to see it.
01:09:06
It sounds like it'll be a great thing.
01:09:07
It'll, it'll probably be probably be great.
01:09:10
But I just, I just, it takes away from what we know him as,
01:09:19
you know what I mean? Like even when you Start
01:09:22
learning. Oh, well, the target games were
01:09:24
a minor house in Valyria. You know, the Valyrians were
01:09:28
even more minor than that. Yeah.
01:09:32
Yeah, they didn't have any dragon riders.
01:09:35
They couldn't. They just didn't.
01:09:38
And the Targans got licky. Yeah, they ended up at
01:09:41
Dragonstone, which was a Valerian outpost that nobody
01:09:44
cared about. Yeah.
01:09:48
Yeah. And now that you know all that,
01:09:50
that takes away from the Targaryen mythos.
01:09:54
Yeah, it does. No, it does.
01:09:56
It does it. Does it?
01:09:57
Does you're going to agree to disagree?
01:10:00
I'm right, so you can disagree with me anyway.
01:10:02
Whatever, whatever. So yeah, we have one episode
01:10:09
left and then nothing else until House of the Dragon comes back
01:10:16
in. I think they're saying probably
01:10:19
June, but. Yeah, in June of this year.
01:10:24
Yes, it's coming out of the. Dragon.
01:10:27
Right, Yeah, House of the Dragon.
01:10:29
Yeah. They're saying it's supposed to
01:10:30
come out this summer. I don't think from, from
01:10:35
everything I've heard and read, we're not going to have a long
01:10:38
hiatus with this particular show.
01:10:41
So it's possible we may get Season 2, maybe early next year.
01:10:48
I don't see it dropping in 2026. So maybe early 2027.
01:10:52
I I hope. Fingers crossed, because yeah,
01:10:57
Dexter's going to outgrow his little egg self in a little bit
01:11:01
so. We have to move fast.
01:11:04
Yeah, they do so. But like you said, like you said
01:11:08
a few episodes ago, it's good because they don't have a lot of
01:11:11
CGI with this one. No Dragons, there's not any of
01:11:14
that magical element. This is like literally a human
01:11:17
tail in Westeros. So it shouldn't.
01:11:20
And they can use a lot of the same set for for what?
01:11:24
What they just did. Yeah, because there there isn't
01:11:27
much of A set in in the sword sword.
01:11:31
OK, yeah. So you guys have any final
01:11:36
thoughts on episode 5 besides? I I enjoy being slapped back
01:11:42
into the reality of the Game of Thrones.
01:11:44
World listen. It was a harsh slap too, like.
01:11:49
It was a big game slap. It was the bitch slap of all
01:11:52
bitch slaps. Yeah, really.
01:11:55
It was like when when Duncan kick Aaron across the stage.
01:12:01
Yes. Oh.
01:12:05
OK, and I know I'm gonna be crying the whole next episode,
01:12:08
so I just want y'all to know that now I'm going to be texting
01:12:11
y'all that I'm crying. Yeah, I think we all, we, I
01:12:15
think we're going to need a support group after this.
01:12:17
So anyway, all right, one more episode and then we'll be done
01:12:23
with season 1. But for now, that is it for our
01:12:26
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