#aknightofthesevenkingdoms #gameofthrones #dunkandegg The Targaryens make their way to Ashford Meadow, but troubles plague the group. Dunk recounts the virtues of Ser Arlan to deaf ears, but finds an ally in the unlikeliest of places. Dunk vows to prove his worth as the Lists begins.
Note: there are major book spoilers from 22:46 - 30:15. Please skip this section if you don't want to be spoiled.
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What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode
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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here
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with Anthony and Dina, and we are discussing episode 2 of A
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Night of the Seven Kingdoms. Listen from the top of the
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episode, I forgot how I forgot about the gratuitous nudity that
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comes with Game of Thrones shows.
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Like you think that after the first episode I was prepared for
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some in my face stuff, but I was not quite prepared for how in my
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face it got in the top of the second episode.
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Hey, great. Game of Thrones has always been
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good about equal opportunity. That's true.
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That's I will say that about them.
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They don't care. That is true.
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But I mean, my goodness, give us some warning next time.
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Like your warning was his booty, his booty peeking out the door
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before he turned around. OK, but here's the thing.
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Seeing his ass was not a bit. I was like, OK, so they I'm
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literally sitting here thinking like, OK, so they're going to
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show us a little male frontal nudity.
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OK, whatever. When he turned around, I had I
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was like, wait, I was I was not ready.
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I think that's the best way to I was not ready.
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I I wasn't, it was just I I started singing in my head like,
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does your thing hang low? Doesn't want to.
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Oh. God, yes, we're going to behave
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like little 12 year olds, right? Yeah, for sure.
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I just, yeah, I, I was not expecting that.
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And then it's like, you see this while Dunk is having his, I
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guess at this point Dunk is talking to the different Lords
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of the different houses, trying to get someone to remember him
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so they will vouch for him and list that had to have been like
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right before he passed because you see him looking at the
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injury that he has on his arm, which I was like, he probably
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died from the injury and not just from whatever coffee
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developed from the rain. He probably had some kind of
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blood poisoning or something because that wound was just
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opened and I was like, why are they not fixing that?
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Why are they not treating that? Or I don't know, something about
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that whole wound was just it was it, but.
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Yeah, he probably couldn't, couldn't.
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He probably couldn't afford the treatment for it.
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That's true, which is also kind of sad because when you're
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hearing all of the stuff that that Dunk is saying about Sir
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Arlen, especially at the top of this episode, it's kind of like
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this man was honorable. He was selfless.
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He was, you know, all the things that that Dunk said about him.
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He look, I actually took notes this time.
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He said he's a true knight, but he was different from other men.
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He had peaceful, he had a peaceful nature.
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He was quiet, he was humble. He was a veteran of 100 wars,
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enemy to none always knew what was expected of him.
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He never complained. He was always a benefit of
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people around him. And I was like, you would think
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somebody who is of that caliber would be remembered more.
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And then I thought about what you said.
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I think you said this in the last episode, Anthony.
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And then it's kind of sort of related to what Dunk says
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towards the end of this episode. He was like, he was this night
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that nobody remembers. And it's like, you know, this is
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a man who taught me to be honorable, but all of these
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so-called noble people didn't even bother to remember who he
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was. And I think that's so sad.
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I mean, at the end of the day, he was a hedge.
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Like, I mean, they, they're not going to commit him to memory.
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I'm sorry I started the episode. I know, no, I was Chris in the
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background, but I mean, and and I I get that, but I guess at the
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same time it's kind of like even the one who who was it?
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Bulbarian because Dundarian, because Dundarian was like, we
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hired 800 hedge Knights for that.
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So I'm not going to realize that he's a.
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House Tyrell, when he went to go talk to him, he said you were
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the one who told him that the hedge Knights were the bridge
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between the Lords and the small folk.
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Something that specific, unless it's something you're saying to
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everybody you're coming across, that should at least trigger a
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memory. And I feel like what Egg said to
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him later, he said it's almost like they're not really
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listening to you. It's like they look at Dunk.
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They, they basically they're making a judgement based on his
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appearance. They're making a judgement based
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on the way he speaks. And they're just like, OK, I'm
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not even going to bother with him.
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And that's probably how they treated Sir Arlen.
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It's probably how they treat hedge Knights.
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They don't. They're not Lords.
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It's not they they're not not sworn to anybody.
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So what's the point of trying to remember who they are?
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You don't get anything out of it other than a sword if you hire
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them. Yeah.
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So you can reading things that there.
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Were like higher level people who they didn't even remember
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that were fighting that same things.
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So they don't care? Yeah.
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Right. Like if you were, if you were a
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Targaryen but you're like 15th in line, everyone would know who
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you are because you're a Targaryen.
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But if you're entire real and you're 15th in line, nobody
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cares. Nobody cares.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But I just, you know, I also wonder if that's the reason why
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Arlen treated Dunk the way he did.
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Because Dunk continuously says that Arlen treated him like a
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member of his family, that he was good to him, that he taught
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him to be an honorable man. But of course, all of the
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recollections we see of him, it looks a little more harsh.
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And I wonder if, you know, and I think Dunk also says towards the
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end, he was like, you know, he was a hard man to get to know.
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I wonder if maybe he treated Dunk like that just because he
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wanted Dunk to understand what to expect as far as how other
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people were going to treat him. You know what I'm saying?
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Unfortunately, in this world, if you treat somebody with
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kindness, if you treat them with respect, obviously it doesn't
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really get you anywhere. Because like you said, Sir Arlen
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was almost 60 years old. He had been ahead tonight for so
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long, served all of these different houses, was noble, was
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honorable. And nobody remembers him, you
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know, except for the the one person who did.
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And we'll talk about, we'll talk about the Targaryens later, but.
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The, the, the thing I think about sometimes is especially
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with this story is like in the book, he I think banking was
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maybe 6 or 7 when Sir Arlen found him.
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They meant that Arlen Sir. Arlen was almost 50 and had
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never had a squad before and he probably saw opportunity to
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start and also have someone to help take care of him because.
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No, he had a Squire. His nephew was his squad.
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Yeah, but he was killed. Got killed.
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Yeah, got killed. But he was, he's probably really
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looking for someone to help because he knew he was going to.
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He was getting old. He was going to need help, so he
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couldn't. We're better than to start with
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this. He he was probably already big
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for his age. Yeah, he probably didn't.
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Yeah, he. Yeah.
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He probably didn't really know how old he was.
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He. Had a 14 year old 'cause he was
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18. Tolerant.
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Yeah, yeah. 'Cause you're in the book.
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He's 611 now and he's supposed to be 1617. 16 I think he is in
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the book. He's 611.
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That's crazy. Now just for him being tall he
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just it seems like he would just pick on him.
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They just he automatically just pick on him and say things to
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him like he won't kill. Like this big old man he looked
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real big strapping and strong and y'all just talking smack me
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like he won't step on your face. Right that's the thing I was
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thinking of too. Like y'all keep talking so
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disrespectful to this guy, like, and I don't, I don't know if
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it's just that they're looking at the way he looks in the face
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because if you look at him in the face, if you look at kind of
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I will even go so far as to say the way that he stands, the way
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he postures himself, He doesn't look threatening.
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You know what I'm saying? So maybe that's the vibe that
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they're getting off of. He he he doesn't give off a
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threatening vibe. Yeah, I think that's what Lionel
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Bratting was kind of alluding to.
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Like you need to carry yourself. Yeah.
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Like. Tall, but not only that use your
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presence, you know and and I think even egg in this in this
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episode he's talking to him he was like why do you let these
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these Lords treat you like they're your betters and he was
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like they are my betters and then he's like I mean he's like
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that. No, you.
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It's like the mouth. You need to start acting like a
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knight. The mountain The mountain was
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nearly 8 feet tall in the book. No one looked at him or treated
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him like he was stupid. Right, right.
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The hound was like 6768, no one treated him like that also.
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His face was messed up but. Well, yeah, I was going to say
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he the the face kind of, you know, helped with the hound,
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but. But they carried themselves like
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they were dangerous. Ran of Tarth.
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She carried herself like she was dangerous.
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She's. A knight.
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Baby, Yeah, no one, no one really.
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I mean, they, they had their reservations about her, but they
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never say anything really to her face.
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And then, well, damn, you're big, you know?
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Yeah, that's a. Huge.
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That is true. Two things I wanted to know
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about this episode before we get into like the the meat and
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potatoes of it. I'm noticing and I noticed this
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with House of the Dragon Light. The first episode we didn't get
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an intro, but we got it in the second episode.
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This one we still don't have an intro.
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No. And I'm like, OK, I know they're
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doing things a little different, but this is, it's weird to me
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that we don't have, we don't have an intro, we don't have a
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like the theme song. It's just, I guess it's another
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way that it's kind of saying it's Game of Thrones, but it's
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not Game of Thrones. But it's just weird to me.
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Also, I did not realize these episodes were so short.
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Yeah, they're very short by comparison.
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Like the first episode I think was like 40 something minutes.
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And that was I was like, OK, that's probably average.
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If you if you think about the fact that usually when we watch
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TV, they have like commercials or whatever.
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This one was only 34 minutes. And I know when it got to the
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end and the credit started rolling, I was like, wait, what
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already? Yeah, Does this short to anybody
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else? And then I looked at it and it
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said 34 minutes. I said wait, so you giving us 6
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episodes that are right around the half hour, quarter hour
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mark. I was like y'all could have just
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made this a movie. I mean, I was thinking about
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that too. Like they probably, I'll do like
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the season finale, like longer. Like you know how they would
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stretch out Game of Thrones for the longer stuff, the longer
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battles. They might do that, but it is so
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short because I'm just like, I'm just getting into the flow and
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it's pretty much over, right? I kind of like it because it has
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like a sitcom feel to it, yeah. I know so.
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I don't, I don't mind as much, especially knowing, knowing the
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story, the story pretty quickly when you're reading it.
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So I like this this sort of different approach then like the
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House of Dragon where they stretched, they stretched the
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story as much as they could. We're here like we're just going
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to give you the story. We're not going to do any
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stretching. Like they left out the whole, I
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don't know if they're going to do it in the next episode.
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They left out the whole explanation of how the games
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work like they didn't. They did they?
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I don't, Yeah. They didn't even explain
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anything about the Champions and how the challenges work.
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They left. They just cut all that out.
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Yeah. You know, the only thing they
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talked about is if you lose, you lose your arms, your armor and
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all this stuff for the. Ransom.
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Yeah, you can get it back by paying a ransom.
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And like, even when I'm thinking a book, when they ask him, well,
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we can let you win, but if you lose all your stuff, do you have
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the money to get it back? They actually they asked him
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that in there too, bar he says that he doesn't have it or
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whatever. I think I asked him that in the
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first episode. I think the master, the master
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of games said something to him about that.
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So yeah, it's, it's not a straightforward explanation.
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And maybe just for times sake, they, they're kind of like, OK,
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if you're, if you're familiar with the Game of Thrones
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universe, because again, I don't, I'm not sure that there
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will be a lot of people who will be watching this if they're not
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familiar with, but you kind of know what the attorneys are
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like. And this is just kind of like a
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that on a smaller scale with I think more participants because
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I don't remember any of the other attorneys starting out
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with like 10 people. Amazing at the same.
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Time I was like, what is happening?
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And and it was like I was trying to follow it because you have
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all of these people, but of course they also did not
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introduce us to who each person was.
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It's kind of like throughout the two episodes, they're like, oh,
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this person is in the list and this person is in the list, but
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there's also rounds. Everybody's not in the same
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round. So yeah, I think they could have
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done with a little bit more explanation, but maybe they'll
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do that in the third episode because I know a lot of a lot of
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the, I should say, big stuff is probably going to happen in the
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third episode and the fourth episode.
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So they're probably explain that once you start kind of maybe
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localizing the the list as far as like, OK, with this person is
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about to go against this person and you start to see a little
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bit of the conflicts come in the personal conflict.
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So maybe they'll do that a little bit more in the third
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episode. All I have to say is if anybody
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is starting off with this show and they have not watched Game
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of Thrones or even House of the Dragons, don't go back and try
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to watch it now because this show is going to lead you
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astray. I just want you to know that.
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The vibe is totally, totally different, Yeah.
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But I have noticed on social media, like on, I've been on
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threads a little bit more lately, there are a lot of
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people who are starting the Game of Thrones journey for the first
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time right now. Yeah.
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So I miss those days. So they're like, they're
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excited. You know, one person just
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finally got to the Red Wedding and she was like, what the fuck
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did I watch? I'm like, oh, welcome to all of
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our trauma. We have cookies and milk, you
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know. Oh.
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Yeah, trauma binding, crying and screaming.
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Oh my. God, yes.
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But OK, let's get into some of the other things because we get
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introduced to quite a few Targaryens in this episode.
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And I literally, like I said, I did go and make some notes
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because all of the names, first of all, I need the Targaryens to
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get a little more creative with the names.
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Because. Good grief, trying to keep track
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of who is who. This is this person, this
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person, this person which Aegon is this which Oh my God.
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So just to go over the the kind of family tree of the people
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that we've either seen so far or heard about so far in this
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particular episode. So right now, this is the rule
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of Daron the second. Who is Daron the Good?
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He is the son of Aegon the Second, grandson of Viserys the
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Second. Who is Damon and Rainier's son.
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And I don't think we're giving any House of the Dragon spoilers
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away because we knew that Damon and Rainier had a son named
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Viserys, so. Well, that that actually does
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kind of spoil who wins between the greens and the blacks.
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Not necessarily, doesn't. No, no, because the way that the
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way they go back and forth with the with the conflicts and
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stuff. No, I don't.
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I don't think it does at, at at some point because, because you
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may think one thing about the green and blacks and then the
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next generation may have done something to switch The Who, who
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was on the throne or the generation after that.
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Again, they're on the second. They're on the good.
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He is Rainier and Damon's grandson.
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So something could have happened to change that something
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generation or the next generation or even in his
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generation. But we all, we all know a
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Targaryen is going to be on the throne regardless, at least for
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until Robert gets on the throne. So how the Targaryens get there?
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I don't think we're spoiling anything by by saying any of
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that. I'm just saying, and if you and,
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and let's be honest, if you're watching the show, you already
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know Targaryen history. You already know how that
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conflict ended and what happened after that.
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So I don't think, I don't think we're being spoilery.
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But I don't think that's even spoilery because that alludes to
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a linear path and and I don't think the path is going to be
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that linear. I don't believe the path is that
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linear. So I don't think that really is
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spoilery like. But also, these are Targaryens.
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They need. To marry.
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So it's kind of, Oh my God, cousin, brother, uncle, cousin.
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Right, somebody. Got that up in this episode too.
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So I'm just so I'm just saying, but so the the two older
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gentlemen that we meet when Sir Duncan goes to like plead his
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case, that's Baylor Targaryen and May Car the first, who are
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both sons of Darren the good and they're brothers.
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Baylor is the oldest May Car is the is the younger.
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Baylor is the nice 1. He is the one who like is is
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nice to dunk. He's the one who remembers Sir
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Arlen. He's the one who gives dunk.
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You know, his his kind of his blessing to say, yeah, you can
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answer. You can answer the list.
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I'm cool with it. Makar is the one that's a little
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bit more of an asshole. They kind of remind me of the
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Saris and and Damon. As far as you have one that's
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very level headed and then the next one is the more intemperate
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one. And maybe it's just because, OK,
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first in the line is, you know, he already knows where his
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position is, he's cool. And the one that's second in
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line, they're like, I should be the one that's the air.
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You know, they they give off that that.
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Always despair acting the fool. Right.
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I think it's more about despair. Acting the fool, yeah.
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Yeah. And then also we meet, well, we
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kind of sort of meet Velar Targaryen.
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He, we see him in the list. I don't think we actually
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interact with him or anybody actually interacts with him.
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We see him in the list. And Egg is the one who tells
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Dunk, oh, that's who that is. He's the son of Baylor is.
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Anybody else wondering? This is how I know the dunk is.
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Seriously, seriously blind and very naive because why does this
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kid know everybody in Westeros? We'll get to that because our
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face and he's going. That's so and so.
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We'll we'll get to that because because there's some other
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things we got to talk about it it with that the other Targaryen
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we meet Arian, who is who is also like he is giving off.
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He's giving up the Sarah's vibes.
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He's giving off and what Amy that?
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Amy. I don't even.
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No, I I thought the same thing, Dina.
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I was like, oh. He already, his nose was turned
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up all right. I was like, oh, no, right,
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right. So we meet him.
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We meet and what we hear about Daron and Aegon, those are the
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two sons who were supposed to be there who are quote UN quote
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missing. They've not shown up and no one
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knows where they are. So yes, make our sons.
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So Arian, Daron and Aegon are all his children, and I think
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those are the only ones that have been mentioned in this
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particular episode or in the two episodes.
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So because I know he has other children, but we haven't heard
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anything about them yet. So it's just those.
00:22:25
So I'm going to, I'm going to put a marker in the show notes.
00:22:30
This is where we're going to get into a little bit of spoilery
00:22:33
territory. So if you don't want to be
00:22:35
spoiled or if you don't know what's going on with this show
00:22:37
or with these characters, you may want to kind of hold off.
00:22:41
And then once we get done talking about this, I'll
00:22:43
bookmark that as well so you can kind of skip this part.
00:22:46
But going back to what you just said, Dina, they have given us
00:22:51
lots of clues in the in the 1st 2 episodes, I think as far as
00:22:57
Egg's true identity and what you just said as far as him, all of
00:23:04
the stuff that he knows and all of the stuff that he's telling
00:23:07
Dunk. Like he like he literally is
00:23:11
giving me our start with Tyrone Lannister and like he realized
00:23:15
she was not a vogue born child because she was keeping up and
00:23:19
she was too smart and she was even more simple.
00:23:22
The fact that she was saying my Lord is my Lord be Lord right
00:23:27
and he up here, my Lords, my Lord, he proper he got girl.
00:23:31
What he said, What did he say? He mentioned something and I
00:23:35
said I hang out with a little Flea Bottom, tiny little.
00:23:40
So how would he know that they don't know what these up up
00:23:43
these upper people look like. They never saw these people,
00:23:46
like most of those people never saw a king and queen or any of
00:23:48
these people to know what they they look like.
00:23:51
They might know their name and they might, you know, have to
00:23:54
know their history to a certain degree, but they don't really
00:23:56
know what these people look like.
00:23:58
Right. In the book they make it even
00:24:00
more obvious because of the scene where he's walking around
00:24:04
with with thinking and he's naming all of the different
00:24:09
houses. He knows all of the sigils.
00:24:12
He. Knows all of the Lords, of all
00:24:15
the houses and their children. Yeah, it's like really do.
00:24:19
And not only that, in the books they make it, they make it a
00:24:23
point to mention his eye color because in the books, the
00:24:28
Targaryens have purple eyes. And so they make it a point to
00:24:32
say that Egg on has like purplish blue eyes.
00:24:36
But again, I think what they what they're doing as far as the
00:24:40
show goes, because in the books, Dunk automatically assumes that
00:24:45
Egg is from Flea Bottom. He doesn't actually say are you
00:24:49
from Flea Bottom? So Egg never has to to say, no,
00:24:53
I'm not in the show. They actually made him
00:24:56
specifically say, are you from Flea Bottom?
00:24:58
He was like, no. And then when he said I'll I'll
00:25:00
take you back home, he said, well, you have to go all the way
00:25:03
back to King's Landing. So it's like you're telling us
00:25:07
he's from King's Landing, not necessarily saying he's a
00:25:10
Targaryen, but you're all you're already telling us he is a child
00:25:14
of noble birth, of noble birth. The other thing about that is if
00:25:21
you notice the way he reacts when he sees certain people in
00:25:26
the episodes, like when he sees certain Targaryens, like when he
00:25:31
saw the when the Targaryens first came in over the bridge
00:25:35
and he saw the flags, you know, he was like, maybe maybe I
00:25:39
should go ahead and take the horses back to the camp.
00:25:41
He was like, I don't want to be around here, all of that.
00:25:44
But it has to be the head thing because again, he looks so
00:25:51
different from what a Targaryen, quote UN quote should look like
00:25:56
that even the noble people who should know who he is, if he is
00:26:00
one of their Princess, they're not paying attention to him
00:26:02
because, you know, they're looking at his head shaved and
00:26:06
they're probably thinking, oh, he's a sickly kid.
00:26:08
Oh, he's, you know, he's somebody not of ill important.
00:26:12
Plus, he's dressed kind of like a peasant, you know what I'm
00:26:15
saying? That.
00:26:18
But then here's the other thing. I don't think anybody would have
00:26:22
gotten it in the first episode. But once you get in the second
00:26:25
episode and you start having a conversation with Baylor and
00:26:29
Makar, and they're talking about the two missing sons.
00:26:33
I was like, OK, And then you mentioned the sons by name,
00:26:36
Daron and Egon. OK, Egon Egg.
00:26:39
It's easy to make that connection.
00:26:42
But also if you think about it, when Dunk was in the end, there
00:26:47
was a drunk Targaryen at the table totally in his cups,
00:26:53
totally upset or depressed about something.
00:26:57
And then you hear you hear the two brothers talking about how
00:27:01
Makar was forcing Darren to enter in the list.
00:27:05
And he was like, Darren should not be in the list at all.
00:27:08
You know, you you shouldn't have forced him.
00:27:10
He's also what you're trying to say.
00:27:12
Like, my son is better at drinking whores than he was.
00:27:14
Like, I didn't say that. But the implication is, yeah,
00:27:18
that's what he is. But you have that Prince who was
00:27:22
there in the end, drunk, upset, whatever, whatever.
00:27:26
And then in the same end is where Dunk comes across Egg.
00:27:33
It's too, it's too much of A coincidence for us not to put it
00:27:36
together. And then again, you talk about a
00:27:40
he knows all the sigils. He knows who these people are,
00:27:45
the way that he talks. What other kid would be sitting
00:27:48
in the field play fighting Thomas and Gil, your black,
00:27:51
black fire bastard, bastard. Who else would say that?
00:27:57
But The thing is, Dunk is ignorant of all of that stuff
00:28:02
because he didn't grow up and Flea Bottom, he didn't grow up
00:28:06
in King's Landing because Sir Arlen grabbed him, took him,
00:28:10
took him all over the country with him.
00:28:13
So he I don't think he wouldn't know to pick up on these types
00:28:17
of things because he probably has never been around a noble
00:28:21
child. It to that extent to be like,
00:28:24
oh, he know what he talking about because he's part of this.
00:28:28
Especially if he was like Anthony said, as young as six or
00:28:33
seven when he started, you know, squiring or started being Sir
00:28:38
Arlen's companion, he wouldn't know.
00:28:42
But us, it's almost like you got a big man.
00:28:45
Like say, hey, we got Aegon Targaryen.
00:28:49
It's clever. How they do though, because
00:28:51
remember we were talking about last time I was like, you know,
00:28:54
it's interesting how he, because he automatically assumed that
00:28:57
the little boy in the stables was her son because she said my
00:29:00
son did this and there was a little boy.
00:29:02
So for him, he just mashed it on up.
00:29:04
Well, it's a little poor, little little scallywag boy and then
00:29:09
she's a poor in lady. And so he never once considered
00:29:12
that the son that wasn't the son.
00:29:14
Because my thing is this, this kid ran away from his mom and
00:29:18
you don't think nothing of it? Right, I think, I think he
00:29:23
wants. So he did say Egg did tell him
00:29:27
that's not my, my mother's dead. And he was like the innkeeper,
00:29:30
like he was like, that's not your mother.
00:29:33
They they did have that conversation.
00:29:34
Conversation. So yeah.
00:29:37
I think, I think some, I think maybe, you know, Duncan is
00:29:40
trying to model himself after Sir Arlen.
00:29:44
So in his mind this is like him doing for Egg what Arlen did for
00:29:49
him. So and that's all he sees.
00:29:52
He's not seeing anything beyond that.
00:29:54
Yeah. Please do not show us his front
00:29:57
next episode at HBO. Please don't.
00:30:00
He's a big man. He's a really big man.
00:30:02
I just I couldn't handle. It but but yeah, OK, so.
00:30:11
So I'm not going to touch that dinner at all.
00:30:13
I'm just not. OK, so we're going to we're
00:30:15
going to close off the the spoilery part right here, but
00:30:20
OK, so I want to talk about some of the other people that we come
00:30:24
into contact with because we've already talked about the the
00:30:28
different Targaryens. I I like Baylor.
00:30:31
I feel like he is, you know, he's of the Targaryen blood, but
00:30:37
again, he kind of takes after the saris in my mind.
00:30:41
But also, if you think about who Daron the good is, I mean, they
00:30:46
call him Daron the good. So he has to be one of the more
00:30:49
temperamental, you know, stabley temperamental Targaryens.
00:30:54
And then, you know, Makor seems like he's an asshole, even even
00:31:01
just the way he's he's talking to Dunk like or the way he's
00:31:05
talking to The Who was the Sir Ashland or I think Lord Ashland.
00:31:12
Lord Ashford. Yeah, Ashford, the one who's
00:31:16
actually putting on these games, he he really does have an air of
00:31:21
you guys are beneath me. I'm just, I'm not about to be
00:31:24
bothered with you. And even with Duncan speaking to
00:31:28
his brother, he's been very respectful.
00:31:30
He's being very complimentary. And of course, Mako is probably
00:31:33
like, I hear this shit all the time.
00:31:35
I'm so sick of it. Just just get out.
00:31:36
He already, he already gave you what you want.
00:31:38
Get out. Get out.
00:31:40
But it's like him, Arianne. I already know.
00:31:44
I'm not about to like these two. Yeah, they're they're about to
00:31:48
be on that, on that Viserys. Daenerys brothers level.
00:31:53
Like, can you please put a pot of gold on their head?
00:31:56
Well, I don't know. They might not be that bad, but
00:31:59
I'm not. Yeah, I'm not.
00:32:02
I do like, I do like Baylor's costume design.
00:32:07
He had the dragon thing right here that you're so used to
00:32:11
seeing with Raniera and Daenerys.
00:32:15
It was kind of cool. Yeah.
00:32:17
Prince of Dragonstone, so. I like him though so far he me
00:32:21
too. Seems like a stand up guy.
00:32:24
Me too. I mean, we got to have a couple
00:32:26
of Targaryens that we like. And then I also like that he's a
00:32:29
dark haired target. I noticed that.
00:32:34
I noticed that I was like, that's interesting, but I don't
00:32:39
again, I'm only looking at the show right now.
00:32:42
I haven't gone back and dug into like the history of everything.
00:32:48
Like I know that I know where his his lineage is, but I'm not
00:32:53
going to talk about it here because of the fact that, like
00:32:56
Anthony said, we don't know. We're going to assume that that
00:33:00
the people who are watching the show and the show only don't
00:33:03
know what the outcome is of, you know.
00:33:07
The Dancer Dragons. Team yeah, the big team of the
00:33:12
Dancer Dragons, Team Black versus Team Green, we just know
00:33:15
he's a Targaryen. So it it kind of again, doesn't
00:33:20
really matter in in this particular moment where what
00:33:25
side of the Targaryen line he came from, because they're all
00:33:27
related anyway, for the most part.
00:33:31
But the other people that that we meet, you have Sir Roland
00:33:42
Craig Hall and Sir Donald of was the Duskin, who are kings guards
00:33:50
to the Targaryens. Those are two interesting people
00:33:54
because Sir Roland, he seems like like he's an asshole, but
00:34:01
he's not Makar or Arian Targaryen type of asshole.
00:34:06
You know he. He, he's just there.
00:34:09
He's just there doing his job. That's it.
00:34:12
And he? Has a little bit of a snobby
00:34:14
nose, but not enough to the point where I was like, I don't
00:34:17
like you because the way he even when he when he talks to Dunk
00:34:21
and Dunk sees them he was like, you know, Sir, he was like well
00:34:24
met. You know that's what you you say
00:34:28
that to people that you are not necessarily disrespectful of but
00:34:31
it's just a polite way to say to A to another knight or you know
00:34:36
someone like, hey, how you doing He could have easily been like,
00:34:40
who the hell are you like all these other people you know are
00:34:44
you are you Baylor Targaryen? We'll get the fuck out.
00:34:46
He could have he could have treated him like that.
00:34:49
He didn't, you know, But we do know he does have a little bit
00:34:52
of that chip because when he says what did he say?
00:34:56
Do you ride your horses or do your horses ride you?
00:35:00
Sir Donald was like, forgive him.
00:35:03
He's not used to having to look up to turn his nose down.
00:35:06
I was like, OK, so the fact that he could say it and and Sir, Sir
00:35:12
Roland didn't even, he didn't even bat an eye.
00:35:14
He was just like, you know, I'm just, that's just how I am or
00:35:17
whatever. I was like, OK, he's going to be
00:35:20
an asshole, but not like talk to your asshole.
00:35:23
Might be one of those that I can kind of deal with.
00:35:27
I feel like Sir Donald, I'm going to like, because he took
00:35:30
the time to actually have a conversation with Dunk.
00:35:33
He was very respectful in that conversation.
00:35:35
Because if you notice, most people are not respectful when
00:35:37
they talk to Dunk, You know, even even the way that he said
00:35:42
you, what did he say? You don't smell what you don't
00:35:47
smell. House bread.
00:35:48
House bread or something. I feel like he didn't say it in
00:35:52
a way that was disrespectful. He was just making a point.
00:35:55
Like, OK, you're a knight, but you're not one of these kind of
00:35:58
Knights. You know, grew up in luxury kind
00:36:02
of knight. Right, right.
00:36:03
That. And that's, you know what?
00:36:05
That's the other thing going back to egg, Sir Duncan should
00:36:09
know. This is a clean boy.
00:36:10
He should know he's not. Yeah, but.
00:36:15
Oh my God, Adam. Adam after that first episode,
00:36:18
he he was obsessed with the fact that they don't have tissue.
00:36:22
And when he put an egg on his shoulders, Adam was like, they
00:36:27
don't have tissue, but he's. But here's the thing in in those
00:36:32
days and even Sir Roland and Sir Donald, you kind of hear that
00:36:36
conversation. I know they used hay to wipe
00:36:39
their ass back then. I don't know how, I don't know
00:36:42
how well that works or whatever, but you know.
00:36:47
And if you watch watching the medieval shows, you always get
00:36:50
that one joke where someone used Poison Ivy when they're out in
00:36:54
the woods instead of just, you know, they just pick any leaf
00:36:58
and not realize that they had. I mean, they, they, they just,
00:37:02
you know, tissue paper was I, I don't know if.
00:37:04
Tissue. It wasn't a thing.
00:37:05
Invented yet? So it wasn't a thing.
00:37:07
I don't think it's crazy to me that people didn't think that
00:37:10
through. Yeah, haze, sand, leaves,
00:37:15
whatever. Yeah, I have a feeling like Egg.
00:37:20
Given who who we think he is or who we know he is, I feel like
00:37:24
he would probably know how to clean.
00:37:29
Them right, that's what he yeah, that's what we were talking.
00:37:32
About but yeah, I mean, that was because because I you think
00:37:35
about that first episode when you see Dunk having an upset
00:37:40
stomach for to say it politely, and then you think about what
00:37:44
his clothes might smell like. Like even when he was trying to
00:37:47
wash his clothes out, he sniffed and he was like, yeah, he would
00:37:49
just like please tell me this man is not walking around
00:37:53
smelling like shit trying to flirt with the puppeteer girl.
00:37:56
Just dude, it's just. But I was feeling like, you
00:38:00
know, but The thing is like, yes, people could tell you
00:38:03
stank, but everybody stank. All they did was mostly just put
00:38:08
on perfumes and oils on top of stank because they didn't just
00:38:11
have ready water typically. Right, so man.
00:38:14
The horse and the horses were walking around and they were
00:38:17
pooping everywhere. Yeah, how's all that?
00:38:20
Yeah, it was just funky back then.
00:38:22
Yeah, but also, unless you were somebody like a Targaryen, like,
00:38:27
what was the girl being told when Dunk got ready to follow
00:38:30
her? They told her.
00:38:32
They said, hey, you need to go in there.
00:38:34
The Princess need their hands washed.
00:38:36
I'm on my way. Yeah, Mama, wash your hands
00:38:40
like. But again, a different mindset,
00:38:43
different time period. But you know, going back to Sir
00:38:49
Donald, yeah, the way that he talked to Dunk, he is almost
00:38:53
like he was talking to Dunk, as in not necessarily an equal, but
00:38:57
he was he treated him like a person, right, Which you you
00:39:02
notice does not happen to Dunk a lot like a lot of people dismiss
00:39:07
him just like the little girl. She was like you're you're big
00:39:11
and you're stupid. I was like who the hell are you?
00:39:15
Like But. Does he not introduce himself as
00:39:21
Sir Lincoln at all to Sir Donald?
00:39:23
Because that might have had something to do with it too.
00:39:27
Like he did claim himself as a knight, so he would he would
00:39:31
treat him with a little more respect and difference than he
00:39:34
would anyone else. But The thing is, other people,
00:39:37
even when he, when he introduces himself as a knight, they hear
00:39:42
it, but they look at him and they judge him based on what he
00:39:45
has on. And I feel like Sir Donald
00:39:48
didn't do that. No, he didn't.
00:39:50
You know, so that that kind of endears me to his character a
00:39:54
little bit more because obviously Dunk has the.
00:40:00
I don't even know if I want to say the stature, but he presents
00:40:03
himself like he's a knight. You know what I'm saying?
00:40:06
He's very respectful. He's very honorable, which in
00:40:09
our minds is what nights are supposed to be like, you know,
00:40:14
and the fact that Sir Donald kind of still talks to him
00:40:20
regular, you know, gives him his little history because he asked
00:40:24
him if he's a if he's a Darkling from.
00:40:33
He kind of gives me that, Sir Davos, kind of like, I know I'm
00:40:37
from the bottom, but I'm here and I'm going to treat you with
00:40:40
respect because I had the crime to get to where we at, kind of.
00:40:44
Right, right. And it's and you know, I also
00:40:47
like the fact that he was telling him, you know, my family
00:40:50
have been cravers because well, when when he asks Dunk, where
00:40:56
are you from? He was like nowhere really.
00:40:58
He was like, oh, I know that place.
00:40:59
I'm from there too. And then Duncan's like, wait,
00:41:03
are you part of this family? He was like, no, but he, but my,
00:41:07
my family, we've been, we've been crabbers for generations.
00:41:10
And then later on when he's talking to Egg and Egg is like,
00:41:15
his father owns half of the crabbing boats in Westeros.
00:41:19
Don't just like. Why?
00:41:21
Do you know that? Not only that, but what?
00:41:25
So his father is big, but he didn't.
00:41:27
He didn't, he didn't hold that over dunk or he didn't kind of
00:41:31
use it to, to say, oh, this is who I am.
00:41:34
He he just had a more humble, you know, perspective about him.
00:41:42
And I just, I like that a little bit.
00:41:44
You know, it's especially because I'm, I'm just kind of
00:41:47
I'm sick of people treating dunk the way that he, you know, the
00:41:50
way that they treat him. But even with the the armourer,
00:41:55
when he talked to him, the armor was very straightforward with
00:41:58
him. And when Dunk just kind of was
00:42:00
like, I can't afford this armor. I'm just going to put this back.
00:42:03
Thank you for your time. He was like, he was like, I'm
00:42:07
going to lose money. But OK, so I can take this.
00:42:10
I can take your old armor. I can use the metal.
00:42:13
I'll give it to you for, you know, a reduced price, blah,
00:42:17
blah, blah. Dunk was like, I only have two
00:42:19
stacks. OK, this will hold you for a
00:42:20
day. You just got to figure the rest
00:42:23
out. I, you know, I was so sad when
00:42:26
Dunk was talking to the horse and he was like, when I when I
00:42:29
win this, I'm gonna get enough money to buy you back.
00:42:31
I started tearing up. I was like, I don't know this
00:42:33
horse like this. I don't say.
00:42:36
I don't say go get her back. I'm.
00:42:39
Like, no, I don't know. I haven't gotten that far in the
00:42:43
story in the book yet. But, you know, just the fact
00:42:46
that he has that kind of gentle spirit, like he talks to the
00:42:49
horses like they're people. Even the Targaryen horse that
00:42:52
kicked the stable hand, you know, he talked to when he
00:42:56
calmed it down, took it in the thing and he was just like
00:42:59
having a conversation with it. I always feel like with, with
00:43:03
people who, and, and this comes from being an animal person to
00:43:07
people who talk to animals, I feel like are on a higher plane
00:43:10
of existence than other people, you know, because if you can get
00:43:14
an animal to trust you, you can get an animal to calm down where
00:43:18
other people can't. That's something within you, you
00:43:23
know, for for someone that can't speak and can't give you their
00:43:27
feelings, for them to be able to trust you like that, to be like,
00:43:31
oh, OK, yeah, I'm a calm down for him.
00:43:33
That just kind of tells you what kind of person that person is.
00:43:36
So I'm like, you know, Dunk has a big heart.
00:43:40
Again, he's honorable. He's very honest, you know,
00:43:44
which is also a rarity in those days.
00:43:47
And I just, I just want him to win at all of this.
00:43:52
I know he's about to go through some stuff, but I just want him
00:43:56
to win because I, I really want him.
00:43:59
Like at the end of the the episode, he talks about how, you
00:44:03
know, Sir Arlen was here for almost 60 years and nobody, you
00:44:07
know, he's done all these good deeds.
00:44:09
He's done this, he's done that, and nobody remembers him.
00:44:12
He was like, what kind of hedge might, you know, doesn't have
00:44:16
any victories and is buried in a shallow grave on the side of the
00:44:20
road? He was like, what kind of legacy
00:44:21
is that? He said.
00:44:22
But he took me in. He treated me like family even
00:44:26
though we weren't. And he taught me how to be an
00:44:29
honorable man. And damn it, I'm going to go in
00:44:33
these lists and I'm going to show he was like, I am his
00:44:36
legacy. I'm going to show them what what
00:44:39
he made of me. And I'm just kind of like, yes,
00:44:42
yes, that's what I want. And even the fact that Egg sat
00:44:46
there and listened to him and was looking at him so serious
00:44:50
because Egg has been just kind of ripping on him the entire
00:44:53
episode. I love their camaraderie.
00:44:55
I love the way they go back and forth.
00:44:57
But he was sitting there listening like, OK, yeah.
00:45:02
I, you know, and, and if you're the younger brother of an
00:45:09
asshole, I reckon Dunk must be a breath of fresh air for him.
00:45:14
Oh yeah, you know. What I'm saying?
00:45:17
Definitely, but their their comedy is is so funny because
00:45:22
when they when they were talking after the whole thing with the
00:45:25
puppet girl and Dunk was telling people he was like, do you think
00:45:29
I could be a knight? You know, people say I'm small
00:45:32
even for my age. And Dunk, Dunk is sitting there
00:45:34
almost like he's about to latest story till he was like, yeah, he
00:45:39
was like, you know, people call me being stupid all the time and
00:45:43
he just stopped and he was like, and what?
00:45:46
What he's? Saying he's.
00:45:49
Saying, what did you do about that?
00:45:50
Right. That ain't none of your
00:45:53
business. That's mine.
00:45:54
The way he was like that. Little boy, that little boy.
00:46:02
No, he can act though when I say listen.
00:46:06
These kid actors that are coming out these days, they are so
00:46:12
phenomenal. It's like their their instincts
00:46:17
for their characters and the emotions that they can can
00:46:22
portray. And just like you are holding
00:46:24
your own with a grown ass man, Sir, you are a.
00:46:28
Tiny little baby. Right.
00:46:32
That's right there. Killed me.
00:46:34
I laughed so hard. Because he was even, the
00:46:38
expressions, he was like, like, what are you talking about?
00:46:44
Like are you even? Listening to what I'm saying.
00:46:49
I love it. I, I love this, I, I love this
00:46:53
little companionship. I, I love the fact that Dunk is
00:46:57
so irritated by him, but also at the same time, it's like, no,
00:47:02
he's you and a little body. He just has a little, a little
00:47:06
more mouth. Because even when, when they're
00:47:09
coming in, before they realize the Targaryens are there and
00:47:13
Dunk is complaining because he was like, nobody remembers Sir
00:47:16
Arlen. Nobody will vouch for me.
00:47:19
He was like, just go in to listen anyway.
00:47:22
Just tell them fuck them. He was.
00:47:24
Like I thought about that too. Just just go in there and act
00:47:29
like you freaking night and and just do it.
00:47:32
And just do it and and what do you say?
00:47:34
Tell them to fuck themselves. I said OK, don't.
00:47:37
This should have been your this should have been your clue.
00:47:40
The egg ain't who he says he is or that he's more than he
00:47:45
serves. He is, because he said that was
00:47:47
such confidence. Yeah.
00:47:50
And uncle's like you're a bit brazen, no?
00:47:54
He that's the thing. That's that's the thing that
00:47:56
thinking is missing. He's missing that confidence.
00:47:58
Yeah, Because if he walked in there like that, it would be a
00:48:03
totally different story. Yeah, yeah.
00:48:05
No one would be questioning questioning him being a knight.
00:48:08
Right. Yeah, yeah.
00:48:10
He's also egg is very compassionate and very he pays
00:48:14
attention so well because he was just like when he first told him
00:48:17
to go and he was like, Nah, I'm staying because you have been
00:48:21
basically going through this story and like having to
00:48:24
basically re bury your master over and over again and nobody
00:48:27
knows him. It's got to like he's like, it's
00:48:28
got to be like heartbreaking. I don't want to leave you.
00:48:31
And it's just like this child has the emotional like, Oh my
00:48:36
gosh, it's right. Like his range is insane.
00:48:38
And the yeah, the maturity. Pretty as well so that also
00:48:43
tells you there's more to this little boy than he is letting on
00:48:47
because you I I'm sorry most of the kids that we've seen in this
00:48:52
particular world Game of Thrones world, they don't have that kind
00:48:57
of that kind of focus and that kind of maturity even unless
00:49:03
they are raised nobly or they have gone through some major,
00:49:07
major trauma and they've had to learn to get over it you know
00:49:11
what I'm saying in order to survive.
00:49:14
So one of the two with that kid. But yeah I.
00:49:17
And again, I think this comes to the way that Dunk was probably
00:49:21
raised by Sir Arlen. He just.
00:49:26
Do you know who else knows you? You know who else recognizes
00:49:29
Duncan's value? Oh.
00:49:32
So. Yeah, Yeah.
00:49:32
Yeah, yeah. Oh.
00:49:34
My God that is my homie. I hope he does not change
00:49:40
because. The funny, the funniest thing is
00:49:43
he leaves the tug of one line. Where you going?
00:49:46
I'm thirsty. I'm thirsty.
00:49:48
But what did he say? If we look, if we lose this
00:49:50
game, I'm a drown your first. But what?
00:49:55
But look how it was genius though, because what happened
00:49:57
when he left, they didn't have that strength, so they was
00:50:00
pulling with all they might and they were winning.
00:50:02
So when he came back, they were on that level of whatever
00:50:05
pulling he added to that and it threw them off their Now he did
00:50:10
that. Also too, because I think in
00:50:12
that moment when he left, don't realize, I think that was when
00:50:17
it clicked for him. OK, this man told me, if I'm
00:50:19
tall, be tall. It's kind of like be who you
00:50:22
are. And he was like, wait, I'm the
00:50:23
I'm the biggest motherfucker on this line.
00:50:26
Why are we losing? Hold up.
00:50:28
He started digging those heels in and started pulling and they
00:50:32
started winning. Pour egg.
00:50:34
He just had to put his. Legs up on on the right.
00:50:39
Because he couldn't do anything. And then of course, Lionel's
00:50:42
like, all right, I see what you're doing.
00:50:44
And he, he slaps dunk on the butt, kind of like, good job.
00:50:49
And I was like, maybe this is what he was doing.
00:50:52
He was just kind of like, I need you to, I need you to feel your
00:50:54
autonomy. Like I, I really feel like, like
00:50:58
he could have just been being selfish.
00:51:01
OK, I'm, I'm thirsty, but I really feel like he put, he put
00:51:05
dunk in there and he left it like that.
00:51:07
Like look, I need you to realize your potential.
00:51:10
No, I think he just wanted to. I think he just wanted to win.
00:51:13
Whatever I'm I'm gonna think. I'm gonna think nice things
00:51:15
about Lionel. I'm gonna think I love Lionel.
00:51:17
Dunk out. There's nothing wrong with that.
00:51:19
He looked. He saw.
00:51:20
Oh wait, this dude is not doing anything.
00:51:23
Come over here, Sir, he's drinking.
00:51:25
Something it's poor. He was like what is this pissy
00:51:27
form? Like what is this you are
00:51:29
drinking? Yeah, if you're going.
00:51:33
To have, if Sir Duncan Fatal is going to have one friend, it's
00:51:40
going to have to be Sir Lionel. Yeah, there's got to be his
00:51:44
person. It's got to be.
00:51:46
Got to be. But I mean, he's had, so he's
00:51:49
had Lionel, Lionel Baratheon, like I said, Sir, Sir Donald of
00:51:55
Dusk and Dale. And then who was the guy in the
00:51:58
first episode? So.
00:52:01
Far away, far away. Yes, the cousin.
00:52:04
Yeah. So I feel like, OK, he's got.
00:52:08
There were a few people who were nicer than normal to him.
00:52:12
And and if you count 10 Tenzel. Yeah.
00:52:15
Yeah, but you know what? He don't?
00:52:18
He don't want her friendship. He he want her.
00:52:21
He like her and. When he said to when a guy told
00:52:26
him they had a commonality but but first he was like y'all are
00:52:30
both gigantic or whatever he said.
00:52:34
Because, she said she said the boys used to call her Tamsin too
00:52:39
tall. Yeah, Tamsin, too tall.
00:52:41
That's it. In the book she's she's supposed
00:52:44
to be half a head shorter than him.
00:52:46
So he's 611. She's supposed to be like 6365.
00:52:52
Wow. Yeah.
00:52:54
Wow. And then, you know, he he he
00:52:58
says that and he's like, is that and that.
00:53:00
So that's the thing, like because he's an older guy
00:53:03
playing a person who's supposed to be a teenager, kind of he's
00:53:07
definitely, you know, he's, he doesn't know things.
00:53:10
So when he's asking this child, wait, is that a thing?
00:53:13
Like, is this a thing? Is this how we're supposed to be
00:53:15
together? And he's like, you have some
00:53:18
compatibility, I guess he's like.
00:53:21
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like oh man, he's like from
00:53:26
bottom boards I guess. The the one thing we don't get,
00:53:31
we get a little bit of it, but we don't get from the book is a
00:53:34
lot of his internal monologue and he talks about seeing her
00:53:38
and how she is like the perfect height for kissing and he.
00:53:42
Almost. He almost says that too because
00:53:45
when she says something about her being too tall, he was like.
00:53:48
I think. I think.
00:53:49
Your grade was like, you're the perfect, you're the perfect
00:53:52
height for it. And he was, I think in his mind
00:53:54
he was saying you're the perfect height for me.
00:53:57
But he wasn't going to be so bold as to say that.
00:54:00
And she was just like, for what he's.
00:54:03
And Egg is so funny because he's just looking at him like, wow,
00:54:07
this guy is faltering. Puppeteers, puppeteering.
00:54:10
Yeah. He's just like, he's the best
00:54:12
wing man ever for Dunk because Dunk has absolutely no clue what
00:54:18
he's been doing, what he's doing.
00:54:19
And also, OK, so here's the other thing with Sir Arlen as
00:54:23
far as Dunk goes. So usually in in Game of
00:54:27
Thrones, you know, lore, universe, whatever.
00:54:32
By dunks age, Sir Arlen should have already taken him to a
00:54:38
brothel for his first woman. Yeah.
00:54:42
I think like I think he did. No, because even in the book,
00:54:47
even in the book I couldn't remember, says that he's never
00:54:50
laying with a woman. Oh yeah, he does.
00:54:52
Yes, so so the fact that Dunk doesn't even know how to talk to
00:54:58
a woman, it's just it's so it's so strange.
00:55:02
But then you have egg on the side.
00:55:04
That's kind of like filling in the blanks.
00:55:06
And I was like, what's little boy know about talking to women?
00:55:09
That's another clue about this boy is more than what he seems,
00:55:14
because if he was just a regular boy who's just been on the run,
00:55:17
he wouldn't have had like like he won.
00:55:21
He's too young to go to a brothel to he's too young to
00:55:24
have the coin to go to a brothel.
00:55:27
Yeah. I was like, OK, Dunk, Egg is
00:55:31
your he's your wing man. He's going to help you with this
00:55:34
because it's obviously it's obvious you got a thing for this
00:55:37
girl and you just don't know what to do about it.
00:55:40
Eggs. Like, OK, yeah, I'm, I'm hook
00:55:43
you up. I'm help you out.
00:55:45
Which made it even more funny when they had that conversation
00:55:48
afterwards. And Dunk was like, what business
00:55:51
of it is what he's like? I'm sitting here helping you and
00:55:55
you can't even answer a question.
00:55:58
Help me for a change. Right, but the other thing about
00:56:05
this episode is the list they that they actually start that
00:56:08
night. Why exit the same thing?
00:56:13
Why did this man bite into this raw fish?
00:56:16
What the like? Was he a toy?
00:56:20
He was, he was a telly. He was a telly, right?
00:56:23
Yeah. You know what are they trying to
00:56:28
meet a certain quota for how many times they can gross aside
00:56:31
in the episode? I mean, you only gave us 30
00:56:33
minutes and you gave like, what are y'all doing?
00:56:36
Even egg was like, yeah, the thing with the fish that was
00:56:40
disgusting. Yeah, the lists are great, but I
00:56:46
I could have done without the fish that was.
00:56:48
That was too much. OK, But this is the one thing I
00:56:51
didn't, I didn't catch. And I did go back, Anthony.
00:56:54
I freeze framed and I rewind. I was trying to figure this out,
00:56:58
but when when they're watching the list and egg is on Duck's
00:57:04
shoulders, there's a moment after the first, after the first
00:57:09
joust where the Squires are giving everyone their their new
00:57:17
lances and and egg looks over at 1.
00:57:23
And I don't think it was I don't think it was anybody
00:57:27
recognizable. Like I didn't see a Targaryen
00:57:29
shit. I think it was somebody in green
00:57:31
and gold and somebody else. But he was looking at them give
00:57:35
this the the spear, and his face completely changed.
00:57:40
He went from joy to kind of worry.
00:57:43
And then he started looking at his wrist like this.
00:57:47
And then he told Duck to put him down so he could get to the
00:57:50
front. Do you know what that was about?
00:57:53
Because I was confused it was because he realized he was so
00:57:56
tiny and how much work they had to put into it.
00:58:00
I thought he could put into how small his hands were compared to
00:58:04
because they were all grown and they are.
00:58:07
Grown. Yeah, well, his responsibility
00:58:09
would be. If he like, he could be on his.
00:58:13
Shoulders, I'm a man. I need to be, you know, and
00:58:17
then. If you watch the.
00:58:19
If you watch going to be jousting, then he's going to be
00:58:22
the one responsible. OK, OK, got it.
00:58:24
So have you watched the trailer for the next episode?
00:58:27
No, I have not. OK, OK, well it's not a sport,
00:58:31
but there there is a scene where he's running where Egg is
00:58:34
running with the Lance. Oh, OK.
00:58:37
So he, he must have, he must have realized he could do it.
00:58:41
But I think that's, that's what like being said, that's what he
00:58:44
was worried about. OK, because I was looking at
00:58:47
that and I was trying to figure I was like, what is he looking
00:58:49
at? Because I thought, because at
00:58:51
first I was thinking like, is he supposed to be in shackles?
00:58:54
Like did he escape from being? I mean, literally that's what I
00:58:58
thought. Because I was like, it's so
00:59:00
weird that he looks you look at your wrist and you do your hands
00:59:03
like this. And I was like, like, what is
00:59:07
this? What is this boy's story?
00:59:09
But OK, that makes a lot more sense.
00:59:12
That makes a lot more sense. And then Dunk having his little
00:59:19
panic attack once he sits egg down and he's thinking about,
00:59:25
you know, he's watching the jousting.
00:59:27
And I think the thing that you saw is like, I think Dunk, in
00:59:32
his mind, he has a certain idea of how nights are supposed to
00:59:36
behave again, because of the way that Sir Arlen raised him.
00:59:40
And then you see all these people during this jobs, Like,
00:59:44
people have clearly been knocked off their horse, but you're
00:59:47
still coming after them with your lances.
00:59:50
You're still like, somebody was about to run over another person
00:59:54
with their horse. And he's looking at all of this
00:59:58
and thinking about, oh, is this what I'm going to be?
01:00:01
Expected to do and again then he starts having the flashbacks
01:00:04
about the different things that Sir Arlen did or said and then
01:00:09
him burying him. And that's when he came to the
01:00:11
revelation at the end. He was like, you know, Sir Arlen
01:00:14
was this he you know, he was a hedge knight for 60 years.
01:00:17
Nobody remembers him and and what does he have to show for
01:00:20
he's he's buried in a a shallow grave.
01:00:23
He was like, is this, is this what my destiny is?
01:00:26
Is this what I'm going to be? Because if he was such a great
01:00:29
night and this was his fate. Yeah.
01:00:32
What it. What is my fate?
01:00:35
And I think, you know, he panicked about it at first, but
01:00:38
then that's when he was kind of like, no, I I'm his legacy.
01:00:41
I got to show them what this man was made of.
01:00:44
Not just for him. He wants to do it for Sir Arlen.
01:00:48
You know, like I'll make sure y'all never forget his name
01:00:51
again. Which is like that great, that
01:00:55
amount of like gratefulness that he has for this man.
01:00:58
It's like he sees out his faults.
01:01:00
He knows that he wasn't perfect, but he saved him.
01:01:04
And he's just going to be like ever grateful for this man,
01:01:07
teaching him things and saving him.
01:01:09
And it's just like that is so pure of heart.
01:01:13
He's so pure. I love him so much.
01:01:15
Yep, which is another reason why I'm like, Dunk is one of those
01:01:18
characters I will fight for, right?
01:01:21
All y'all people being being mean to him, I'm gonna need
01:01:25
y'all to get you to come up. And so I'm gonna need you to
01:01:26
change your mind. I'm gonna need you to fix your
01:01:28
shit real quick, right? Because it don't take nothing to
01:01:32
be nice. This man, what was his Oh, God,
01:01:34
keep mixing all the names. Is it Baylor?
01:01:37
That's the big Prince Doesn't lie.
01:01:39
He's a Prince. He is a Crown Prince.
01:01:42
And he was just as gentle and kind and sweet.
01:01:46
It's it cost nothing to be kind. Even even when Dunk made the
01:01:50
faux pas when I was talking about he said, yeah, I remember.
01:01:55
I remember jostling against Sir Arlen.
01:01:58
We broke 4 lances before before it ended.
01:02:01
He was like 7. He was like, well, you know, I
01:02:04
know that Tails kind of, you know, get exaggerated, he said.
01:02:09
But I assure you it was 4. He could have easily because
01:02:12
when Dunk said seven, I literally did this like, oh, you
01:02:16
just fucked up. You just fucked up.
01:02:18
But the way that he diffused that situation because even
01:02:22
Makor was like, hold up. Baylor was like, no, it was
01:02:28
mistaken. He was like, but it was it was
01:02:30
just for I assure you. Oh, I'm so sorry.
01:02:32
He was like, no harm was done. Get rise, get off your knees.
01:02:35
You don't have to just that whole again.
01:02:39
He does remind me a lot of of the way the saris was, you know,
01:02:42
the saris was the peaceful king, you know, and and he did get a
01:02:48
lot done with that kind of stoic attitude.
01:02:52
And I feel like Baylor, what what was it that Dunk said that
01:02:57
Sir Arlen said that, you know, the the Seven Kingdoms would be
01:03:00
in great hands with rule. And even that was kind of a faux
01:03:06
pas because basically you saying, yeah, so when your daddy
01:03:08
is dead, you become the king. You know, again, Dunk doesn't.
01:03:13
I don't think Dunk understands these kind of protocols because
01:03:16
when he talks to Makor, he was like, I hope your sons are found
01:03:20
and they're not dead. He's only going by what the
01:03:22
other girl said, that apparently everybody's like, oh, they might
01:03:25
be dead by now. He wasn't doing it to be mean.
01:03:28
He wasn't doing it to be, you know, stupid.
01:03:32
He just, he said again, he's honest to a fault.
01:03:36
Yeah. He he basically was like, I hope
01:03:38
your sons are OK and then they're safe.
01:03:41
You know, Yeah, he could have said it that way, but I hope
01:03:45
they're not dead. I mean, that is the hope, right?
01:03:48
Right. So, yeah.
01:03:51
But yeah, Baylor, I I like him because he, again, he was
01:03:55
another person who treated Dunk like a person.
01:03:58
Yeah, treated him with respect and it cost him nothing.
01:04:03
He's still, he's still the Prince.
01:04:05
He's still the Crown Prince and everybody.
01:04:07
'S still respected. So yeah, I I think I like his
01:04:13
character, but, you know, he is a Targaryen.
01:04:16
We'll see. I mean we like, I mean I.
01:04:20
Feel like the Sarah's other than him not choosing to do what he
01:04:25
said in motion and and not being, you know, that was his
01:04:29
flaw. But he was still a good man all
01:04:32
the way to the end. He was just trying to keep the
01:04:34
peace, you know what I mean? He wasn't a bad king.
01:04:36
So it's like hard to imagine that all the Targaryens aren't
01:04:40
trash, but then there's some that are just not.
01:04:45
Yeah, some of them are. I mean, think about it, even
01:04:48
though there, I know there's a lot of debate about this and,
01:04:52
you know, I've kind of gone back and forth, but even with
01:04:55
Daenerys, Daenerys was a good person all the way up until
01:05:00
Cersei cut her best friend's head off.
01:05:03
It was like, yeah, I'm gonna make you.
01:05:05
I'm gonna make you kneel. I'm at this point I think
01:05:10
Daenerys was just kind of like, OK, you know what?
01:05:13
I'm done with all this. I'm done with all this.
01:05:15
Like they told me to burn it all down.
01:05:17
I don't. Think that was quite what?
01:05:19
She meant Daenerys, but you. Know we can save this discussion
01:05:25
for another time, because I will disagree with you there.
01:05:28
The nurse has always been that way from the very beginning.
01:05:33
No, no, no. And I'm not, I'm not saying.
01:05:35
That she. Didn't have that potential.
01:05:36
But her, her initial heart, she wanted to stop.
01:05:45
She wanted to break the wheel. She wanted to stop the way the
01:05:48
Targaryens had been doing things.
01:05:50
She didn't want to be that same kind of cruel ruler.
01:05:53
And I think, I think part of her nature was that.
01:05:57
That was. Part of her I'm.
01:05:58
A disagreement against it, but we.
01:06:00
Can. We can.
01:06:01
We can do another. Time, that'll be a different
01:06:04
conversation, but. You have this discussion.
01:06:07
Never thought her personality was definitely a little
01:06:11
different and the things she went through was a little
01:06:13
different. Book versus show, Yeah.
01:06:17
She's more like her dad than she was in the.
01:06:20
Show. Yeah, yeah.
01:06:22
So I think that I think that's also part like they tried to
01:06:25
create this character that was always, always the victim,
01:06:33
always clawed her way out of something, always somebody's
01:06:36
coming after her, attacking her in the show to make people, you
01:06:41
know, and then they gave her Dragons of all things to make
01:06:43
people like her more. Because when I was reading the
01:06:46
books, I wasn't really impressed by Danny that much.
01:06:49
It wasn't like it was in the in the show.
01:06:52
I was saying. Yeah.
01:06:53
Yeah, but in the show, even early on, they gave you clues
01:06:56
that she was willing to do whatever it took to get her way.
01:07:00
Yeah. So burn people alive.
01:07:05
That always work for Targaryens. It worked for.
01:07:08
Her, I mean, that's how they conquered Westeros, which they
01:07:12
need to go on and make that because I'm excited, although I
01:07:17
don't know about this, this brother, sister, love that's
01:07:18
about to happen, but I'm excited about the ref.
01:07:20
Oh, you said about Aegon's Conquest.
01:07:25
Brothers, Sisters. Yeah.
01:07:27
Sisters. Yeah, they.
01:07:29
Had two sister wives, so yeah. But yeah.
01:07:34
But going going back to Night of the Seven Kingdoms.
01:07:42
So yeah, episode 3 that's coming up.
01:07:45
I'm pretty sure we're going to. We should see some action with
01:07:51
Dunk there. There's some things that's going
01:07:56
to happen in between then. So I don't know if we're going
01:07:59
to actually see him do the list or do any fighting in the third
01:08:03
episode. They may wait until the 4th
01:08:04
episode, but I have a feeling some big stuff is about to
01:08:07
happen in episode 3. And I mean, we only have 6
01:08:10
episodes. So it's not like they, they have
01:08:15
room to draw stuff out like you say, Anthony, they are, they're
01:08:18
moving very fast-paced. The story in the book is very
01:08:21
kind of fast-paced. There's a lot more description
01:08:24
in the book. But again, if you're if you're
01:08:28
kind of familiar with the Game of Thrones universe, the the
01:08:31
media universe, the TV universe, then a lot of that stuff that
01:08:35
they described in the book. I don't think they have to go
01:08:38
into the big drawn out discussions in the show because
01:08:43
they've been giving us like even with the description of how the
01:08:47
list work, even though they're not giving us the one, you know,
01:08:50
long drawn out explanation, they're giving us bits and
01:08:55
pieces here and there, you know, so I think we'll get all of the
01:08:59
information that we need to get without it being over done.
01:09:06
And and they're focusing on the the important stuff, which is I,
01:09:11
I know is about to happen with the the Targaryen stuff.
01:09:15
So, yeah. But did we miss anything?
01:09:23
I think we got everything because again, it's the episode
01:09:27
was only 3434. Yeah, it wasn't super long.
01:09:30
One of the things they did talk about, the Prince did tell him,
01:09:33
was that because he was not Arlen's natural born son, he
01:09:36
would have to have his own sigil and his own shield and whatever
01:09:41
design, whatever. And I, I think that's
01:09:43
interesting that like he technically was that man's son.
01:09:48
They're like, no, you have to be natural born.
01:09:51
I'm like. And who would know?
01:09:52
He could have just been like, yeah.
01:09:55
Yeah. I was his son, but he's so.
01:09:58
Honest. He didn't know the lie, you know
01:10:01
so. But also, I think The thing is
01:10:04
too, he makes a point when he's talking about Sir Arlen in the
01:10:10
beginning, he tells one of the Lords that he's speaking to that
01:10:16
Sir Arlen never married, never had children.
01:10:20
Oh yeah, that's. True.
01:10:21
So it's kind of like, I also feel like if he would have lied
01:10:26
and said, yes, that was my father, enough people would have
01:10:30
remembered Sir Arlen by that point to be like, oh, but he
01:10:32
didn't have no children. You.
01:10:35
Know what I'm saying? I feel like it that would have
01:10:38
been one of those type things because people always this,
01:10:42
they're always dismissive of things that they don't remember
01:10:45
things until it's something that may have a direct impact on
01:10:50
them. And then all of a sudden all
01:10:52
your memory is working fine. You know, like what harm would
01:10:56
it have been for y'all to be like, OK, yeah, I remember your
01:11:00
your master. You can you can go be in the
01:11:02
list because of all of y'all think the way that y'all treat
01:11:06
him, y'all think he big and dumb.
01:11:07
Anyway, y'all walking around half threatening him.
01:11:11
So you don't think he's going to be a threat?
01:11:13
Let's go on the list. Chances are y'all going to knock
01:11:16
him off his horse and he's going to be done.
01:11:18
What harm would that do? Really.
01:11:21
Yeah. You know, but I, I don't know, I
01:11:24
feel like I don't know, there, there's something about the way
01:11:28
that they're treating him. It's kind of like, yeah, I
01:11:30
remember this dude, but I'm not going, I'm not going to give you
01:11:33
the satisfaction of it. It's almost like, yeah, I'm
01:11:36
going to put you in your place. And I just, I don't like that.
01:11:40
Like what harm would it be for y'all to let this man fight?
01:11:45
And the list? A lot of harm.
01:11:48
He he could win. But but I.
01:11:51
Know and I and I get. That, and that's why I'm saying
01:11:54
I feel like that's why they've been going around, like because
01:11:58
you're being very specific with what you're telling these
01:12:02
people. House Florence, Sir Arlen served
01:12:05
in the guard when your father lost his sight.
01:12:09
House Hayford, he fought with you at the he fought with, he
01:12:13
fought with your brothers at the Red Grass.
01:12:16
He lost his nephew in battle. How's Tyrell?
01:12:19
You were you not your father, your brother?
01:12:24
You specifically were the one who told him that hedge Knights
01:12:31
are the bridge between Lords and the small folk.
01:12:34
You told him that. You mean to tell me that you
01:12:36
don't remember telling somebody that?
01:12:38
Like, that's a very specific piece of information to tell
01:12:41
somebody. And even the way he was looking
01:12:44
at dumb when he said it, it was kind of like, yeah, I remember
01:12:47
that, but I'm not going to admit to that shit.
01:12:49
Like, y'all are just being assholes just to be assholes.
01:12:53
And yeah, it's probably because you feel like, OK, yeah, this
01:12:56
guy is big and dumb, but he could probably beat us.
01:12:59
Yep, basically. But had he said something like,
01:13:02
yes Sir, Arla was my father. No, he wasn't.
01:13:06
We know Sir. Arlene didn't have any chill.
01:13:07
Well, how? How do you know that?
01:13:09
But you didn't remember him when I told him what he specifically
01:13:12
did for you? That's just kind of how I feel
01:13:14
like they're doing. Like they know him.
01:13:16
They just want to be assholes. They just want to be difficult.
01:13:19
They don't want to be yeah to anything or anyone.
01:13:22
But that's OK, because I hope Dunk goes out there and beats
01:13:24
all they ask. Yeah.
01:13:29
Even the Targaryens. I will.
01:13:32
Say that that, but Baylor. Oh my God, these names.
01:13:36
Velar he. That was he was rocking that
01:13:39
Targaryen black with the. Yeah, looking right.
01:13:42
I was like, OK, I like that. But you notice it was
01:13:45
interesting too. He was brown haired.
01:13:48
Yes, yes, another one. I was like, look, I know what
01:13:52
side. Of the tree you came from.
01:13:55
Yep. Maybe.
01:13:58
Maybe there was some Baratheon mixture.
01:14:00
Let. Oh, that's what we should look
01:14:01
up and see. It's probably another Baratheon
01:14:03
because wasn't Emma. Emma was a Baratheon too, wasn't
01:14:06
she? Vernier's mom.
01:14:11
Yes, she was a Baratheon Targaryen mix, Yes.
01:14:15
And I do know that one. Yeah.
01:14:16
Somebody on that, somebody on one of those trees.
01:14:19
They married. They married another Baratheon.
01:14:22
So yeah. Well, Robert's Grant, Robert's
01:14:26
grandmother was Targaryen. Oh, Yep, Yep.
01:14:30
So. Yep.
01:14:31
So this is all yeah, Aegon the First, his half brother was was
01:14:36
a bastard. Oh yeah, because that's the
01:14:40
other thing we got to take into account, like the bastards.
01:14:42
And you know what Anthony was talking about, you know, with
01:14:47
the, the rebellions, the black fires and the yeah, they, they
01:14:52
had masters who were legitimized.
01:14:54
So yeah, that's just that that that family tree is just so
01:15:01
complicated. So crazy, So crazy.
01:15:05
And not all of them marry inside the family, Yeah.
01:15:12
Yeah. That's how they were able to.
01:15:14
That's how they were able to to kind of work there.
01:15:18
Aegon worked out this tree with Doran was the Prince of Doran
01:15:23
mayor the Targaryen. Yeah.
01:15:26
Princess. So yeah, whatever.
01:15:28
OK, Brown hair might pop up considering their ancestors, you
01:15:34
know. Yeah, yeah.
01:15:36
Thanks to the nearest. Yeah, but I don't know, Do you
01:15:44
guys have anything final to say about this episode?
01:15:46
Wrong Bloodlines. Yeah, yeah, I'm.
01:15:52
Just I think. It was really good for the short
01:15:55
little time we. Had it?
01:15:57
Shall we get longer than 34 minutes please like.
01:16:01
Like I said, I like it. I like your short.
01:16:04
I like it like this. Keep it short to the point it.
01:16:07
I guess it's just. There isn't a lot of there isn't
01:16:09
a lot of world building needing to be done.
01:16:12
We're in one place. All the story is taking place in
01:16:15
this one location that is. True.
01:16:18
We just have a few characters you got to get to know.
01:16:21
But I think it's, it's because the pacing does work so well.
01:16:24
It's like by the time I'm like, really, really into the episode,
01:16:28
it's it's done. And it's just it, it's so sudden
01:16:32
and it's just kind of like, yeah, what?
01:16:34
Give me more. But you know, I feel like.
01:16:36
You can't wait until next week's episode, right?
01:16:39
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I, I was the same way with
01:16:43
the Percy Jackson series. I just finished watching season
01:16:46
2 of that and like those are also like 30-30 ish minute
01:16:50
episodes and I was just kind of like, wait, we're done.
01:16:52
What? So yeah, I mean, I guess I could
01:16:56
get used to a 30 minute episode. I just I want more I.
01:17:00
Is is this season supposed to be the first novel just period or
01:17:04
they think so? It's the first novella, The
01:17:06
Hedge. Night, yeah, the hedge night.
01:17:09
So OK, well I guess I'm going to get off here and go look at the
01:17:16
trailer for episode 3 and prepare for that.
01:17:20
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